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Quote: GWAEthis seems to be going around. I think IBY is taking all our royals.
Pipe down!! :-D
Quote: IbeatyouracesPipe down!! :-D
I am running sooo bad that in my last 25k hands I have only had 2 4 to a royal and they were both on 10 play ux with good multipliers and I completely bricked them both. Well not completely, had a few high pairs and flushes but no royals.
Quote: GWAEI am running sooo bad that in my last 25k hands I have only had 2 4 to a royal and they were both on 10 play ux with good multipliers and I completely bricked them both. Well not completely, had a few high pairs and flushes but no royals.
Remember all the four to a royals I bricked last year? And most of them were drawing three cards from one deck (a 1 in 15.66... shot).
Quote: RogerKintNice! Im three cycles in. No single line Royals in 2016. Starting to feel like Tring ;)
Yeah, still never had a single line Royal. But I have 3 royals in my last Royal cycle at least. :)
Hit this at Harrahs Rincon today. Also bumped into Mark and Dr. Mike from YouCanBetOnThat!
We're always so greedy =P... I think hitting 3/10 kickers is pretty good... 12/47 so should expect 2.5. 3 is "above" that =).Quote: rsactuaryvery nice! if only you could have been dealt the kicker too!
After I hit this as I stated before I went over to 16/10 to take off my 150 dollar free play and played past that and it was about 15mins after the Blazing Sevens I got this for some icing on the cake!
Quote: RomesNice hits monet! Was the progressive on the 7's $1100-ish?
Yes... $1116! All the machines were flat and I started this about 1078. They have a couple good days to actually hammer them even if they are flat but I would at least like a little meat on the bone. The picture couldn't capture the number without a line through it for some reason and I got tired of trying :)
I assume you're in LV based on some posts/pics. I can't help but wonder why you and some others are constantly played neg ev machines. Someone earlier posted a ton of pics, all from stations casinos, none of which were +ev pay schedules.
That being said, I'm roughly 7 cycles without a royal on FPDW. So wtf do I know.
Quote: BigfsheadMonet,
I assume you're in LV based on some posts/pics. I can't help but wonder why you and some others are constantly played neg ev machines. Someone earlier posted a ton of pics, all from stations casinos, none of which were +ev pay schedules.
That being said, I'm roughly 7 cycles without a royal on FPDW. So wtf do I know.
That makes me feel better. I am only 3. It's like rfs are being turned off.
This was for practice on WoV. Still fun to get a royal though.
Quote: GWAEThat makes me feel better. I am only 3. It's like rfs are being turned off.
Yeah. I haven't had one since last Friday night!
IIRC he said something about it being +EV due to some kinda point Multiplier. There are a few machines like that, ones that are set to the higher 90%, in theory, with point multipliers it could be +EV. I wouldn't personally think so at that number, but I haven't even thought about it much, and I have no clue if that machine is a 97/98 percenter or what the cash back and point multipliers are/were.Quote: BigfsheadMonet,
I assume you're in LV based on some posts/pics. I can't help but wonder why you and some others are constantly played neg ev machines. Someone earlier posted a ton of pics, all from stations casinos, none of which were +ev pay schedules.
That being said, I'm roughly 7 cycles without a royal on FPDW. So wtf do I know.
From all indications he does know his stuff as far as I can tell and i wouldn't bet the no.
Even if he does play some -EV stuff its not the end of the world for an AP, as long as his +EV is much higher than what he gives up donking off.
If you have ever sat at a bar socializing getting a few free drinks, chances are its all -EV crap anywhere on the strip and most bars in Vegas.
Quote: BigfsheadMonet,
I assume you're in LV based on some posts/pics. I can't help but wonder why you and some others are constantly played neg ev machines. Someone earlier posted a ton of pics, all from stations casinos, none of which were +ev pay schedules.
That being said, I'm roughly 7 cycles without a royal on FPDW. So wtf do I know.
Sometimes neg EV games become positive with mail, multpliers, courtesy comps etc. Next, 10/7 is not negative and with bonuses that game is roughly worth 75 dollars an hour +. The 16/10 game with 2x day is 100.2 not counting mail, tournament invites etc. You won't believe it but at certain times you can play those sevens flat with 103% + return.
Talk about negative EV games. I just played Bingo again and won $1000 making my total $4500 for the last two weeks. My point is that if you know what you are doing you can make a horrid game like bingo turn into a positive EV.
Now here are a few pictures from my sessions last night starting with the 4 deuces...Notice I do not go for the kicker !!
Next I am on a play that is another Negative EV being that it is 9/7 Double Bonus but I found ways to make it over 101% winner.
I was stuck 3800 before I went on a rush and ended up 350 ahead... with 85 and 200 coming in later for 635 win...
This game is 99.93 but with additions it gets over 101 as well and I just like it
I took some time away, lost pres status with stations. But I never took advantage of free nights or much anything else. Just cash back, and the small free plays. Always playing the free plays on higher denom "in hopes".
Never hit a $1 RF, nor a $1 4AWaK.
I do know I'm stuck about $5k over the last two years but I took 1 yr completely away, not playing once. Just getting back at it. Six thousand hands, no quad deuces, stuck $300.
Quote: BigfsheadMonet,
I assume you're in LV based on some posts/pics. I can't help but wonder why you and some others are constantly played neg ev machines. Someone earlier posted a ton of pics, all from stations casinos, none of which were +ev pay schedules.
That being said, I'm roughly 7 cycles without a royal on FPDW. So wtf do I know.
geez.. no rf in 350k hands?
how much are you down by?
Quote: BigfsheadWere you saying "10/7" referring to dbl bonus? Yes I know that's not negative. If so, is it really worth $75 hr at $1? I'm only playing 25c, trying to build. And at that, I'm only playing FPDW. Basically just 1200-2500 hand sessions mostly.
I took some time away, lost pres status with stations. But I never took advantage of free nights or much anything else. Just cash back, and the small free plays. Always playing the free plays on higher denom "in hopes".
Never hit a $1 RF, nor a $1 4AWaK.
I do know I'm stuck about $5k over the last two years but I took 1 yr completely away, not playing once. Just getting back at it. Six thousand hands, no quad deuces, stuck $300.
Yes 75 dollars an hour.... It depends on the day but it can range from 0.8 winner to a 2 % winner. It is roughly a 1.5% winner. I play that game easily at 1000 hands per hour making it over 5k of coin in per hour at 101.5% return makes it $75.00 an hour in the long run as long as they don't change the game, full pts, multipliers... etc. My beef with you is that you are playing FPDW at the Stations Casinos?? 12 dollars in for a point. Your a madman!! You should learn how to play some of Stations negative EV games with progressives or high 99.7 games on point days putting your return over 100% so your mail will get better and whatnot. I really dislike playing with Stations at all but at times they can kick up the mail and promos. Second... your telling me that you only put in 12 to 2500 hand sessions in. This sounds more like a hobby for you. If your numbers are correct you are on one of the worst runs I have ever heard of and it makes me a little skeptical. I have heard stories like these but I never believe them lol. This is if you are playing perfect strategy of course. I average 8k hands in on single line per day! At times I will put in over 12k hands in on one session. I play almost everyday so I make at least 1 royal a week on average on single line. This is not counting my reel play and other ventures. 6k hands with no deuces is nothing. I have gone 20k hands without deuces on DW games. However, I have hit 6 sets of deuces and 2 royals in 4 hours multiple times. Anyways... Keep up the good fight and I hope things start to break even for you down the road!
Quote: 100xOddsgeez.. no rf in 350k hands?
how much are you down by?
Roughly 4500. I have had lucky runs of deuces to keep me at it. And I've had some insanely long runs on $100 bill. On a good machine I can bang out 1000 hph if I try. Going 3-4 hrs on a single $100 bill is awfully nice (not even hitting quad deuces). But lately I play a little slower. Not trying to get the most hourly out of it since after all, I'm hot n stuck!
Quote: monet0412Yes 75 dollars an hour.... It depends on the day but it can range from 0.8 winner to a 2 % winner. It is roughly a 1.5% winner. I play that game easily at 1000 hands per hour making it over 5k of coin in per hour at 101.5% return makes it $75.00 an hour in the long run as long as they don't change the game, full pts, multipliers... etc. My beef with you is that you are playing FPDW at the Stations Casinos?? 12 dollars in for a point. Your a madman!! You should learn how to play some of Stations negative EV games with progressives or high 99.7 games on point days putting your return over 100% so your mail will get better and whatnot. I really dislike playing with Stations at all but at times they can kick up the mail and promos. Second... your telling me that you only put in 12 to 2500 hand sessions in. This sounds more like a hobby for you. If your numbers are correct you are on one of the worst runs I have ever heard of and it makes me a little skeptical. I have heard stories like these but I never believe them lol. This is if you are playing perfect strategy of course. I average 8k hands in on single line per day! At times I will put in over 12k hands in on one session. I play almost everyday so I make at least 1 royal a week on average on single line. This is not counting my reel play and other ventures. 6k hands with no deuces is nothing. I have gone 20k hands without deuces on DW games. However, I have hit 6 sets of deuces and 2 royals in 4 hours multiple times. Anyways... Keep up the good fight and I hope things start to break even for you down the road!
Sounds like I need to learn a few things for sure.
yes, I'm accurate on my hands. It's too easy to keep track of with stations pts. I too can bang out 1k hph. And I've had many 3-4-5 hr sessions. Just of late, not interested enough. being quarters, when I dump $100, I generally call it. It's a motivation and BR thing. Or lack thereof.
I'd have to brush up on DB and DDB. I'd honestly much rather be playing $0.50 or $1. But the variance is too high for me right now. Though I'd like to get to the $75 per hour (hell even $50) level at some point. Only reason I'm playing stations is it's the only fpdw I'm aware of in town. And sadly, that only goes to $0.25. My last royal was on DB $0.50 denom, full 5 card redraw at the Palms. Full pay machine. Too long ago.
Quote: monet0412
This game is 99.93 but with additions it gets over 101 as well and I just like it
What game/paytable has a $1199 payout for Aces and a 99.93% base?
Quote: monet0412If your numbers are correct you are on one of the worst runs I have ever heard of and it makes me a little skeptical. I have heard stories like these but I never believe them lol.
Being royalless for 7 cycles is only 1 in 1097 for any given 7 cycles of play. It does have to happen to some people unfortunately! And if you're putting in a cycle a week, it's 37.6% likely to happen to you within the next decade!
But I do think some people on videopoker.com are lying. Half of the regular posters are in some sorta slump there and what they claim is much worse than 1 in 1097.
Is Alan on that site or something?Quote: tringlomane
But I do think some people on videopoker.com are lying. Half of the regular posters are in some sorta slump there and what they claim is much worse than 1 in 1097.
Quote: AxelWolfIs Alan on that site or something?
lol...not that I know of. It's mostly players playing for years and saying they are doing much worse than in the past. They don't mention the possibility of paytable downgrades (I assume most of them had them). They also complain they don't hit royals or aces with a kicker nearly as much as they used to.
Quote: tringlomaneWhat game/paytable has a $1199 payout for Aces and a 99.93% base?
Eyes on your own Paper... not a hard problem to solve.
Quote: tringlomaneBeing royalless for 7 cycles is only 1 in 1097 for any given 7 cycles of play. It does have to happen to some people unfortunately! And if you're putting in a cycle a week, it's 37.6% likely to happen to you within the next decade!
But I do think some people on videopoker.com are lying. Half of the regular posters are in some sorta slump there and what they claim is much worse than 1 in 1097.
You look at this all wrong! Better is that I will have a 62.4% chance in the next decade of this not happening!! Also I do not know the numbers but lets say I will have a 37.6% chance that in the next decade I will be 7 RF Cycles ahead at some point !!
Wait, what?? They downgraded games on a game test play money site?Quote: tringlomanelol...not that I know of. It's mostly players playing for years and saying they are doing much worse than in the past. They don't mention the possibility of paytable downgrades (I assume most of them had them). They also complain they don't hit royals or aces with a kicker nearly as much as they used to.
I guess they are really trying to be like the real thing.
Let's see if I can backtrack how many hands I've played since my last RF. Some sessions I'm not even counting since I didn't write down how much coin in I did. Although can probably add an extra 5k hands for miscellaneous play.
2k hands, none
2k hands, none
52k hands, none
10k hands, none
24k hands, none
5k hands, none
Last RF was about 2.5 weeks ago. I hit 3 that day, though, and 2 or 3 a few days prior. Since then, I've played 95k hands (roughly), not including the misc. VP where I don't record coin-in (ie: picking up free-play or other stuff where coin-in is not the goal or recorded). I guess that's not too bad. Also haven't hit a dealt royal ever! o.O
Anyone wanna bankroll me to go play the $10 50-play STP at Caesar's? I'll give you 50% of the profit [if there is any]. This is a remarkable deal, sign up now before someone else snags this deal!
Quote: BigfsheadA while back, as I was around 4-5 cycles w/o a rf, I was sitting next to a reg fpdw player and asked him what his worst cycle was and he said he had a 7 cycle downswing. Followed by 9 rf's in a 2 month period, and subsequent barring from Aliente casino. It gives me hope and lets me know I'm not the only one, nor the first that's been below ev over a period of time.
I learned about VP from Tring on 2+2. It was approx 5 years ago. I went 200k hands right off the bat without a royal. I am surprised I stuck with it. I was thinking a royal was a myth. I finally hit my first royal at hand 220k if I recall correctly. I then hit 7 royals in the next 100k hands. Currently I am at 3 royal cycles so I am really hoping for the same result again.
Quote: GWAEI learned about VP from Tring on 2+2. It was approx 5 years ago. I went 200k hands right off the bat without a royal. I am surprised I stuck with it. I was thinking a royal was a myth. I finally hit my first royal at hand 220k if I recall correctly. I then hit 7 royals in the next 100k hands. Currently I am at 3 royal cycles so I am really hoping for the same result again.
Don't ya just hate those 2+2er's? I had just moved to LV for work back around 2001. I'm riding in a friends truck as we're on our way to Mirage for some poker. We'd met via 2+2 a few years before. On the floor of the truck is a Bob Dancer VP book. I make a wisecrack about him playing against the house. He then tells me how it's profitable.
That book, 4 strategy guides from dancer, and a software simulater, (another gee thanks gamblers book store) and here I am.
Quote: tringlomaneWhat game/paytable has a $1199 payout for Aces and a 99.93% base?
wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/triple-bonus
what? I dont think that would be an 87% return....what am I missing?Quote: IbeatyouracesHere is an abysmal $1 87.3380% machine.
Perhaps you assumed the 3 of a kind paid 2 and not 3 ? that's the only thing i can imagine as to how you came up with that.
Quote: AxelWolfwhat? I dont think that would be an 87% return....what am I missing?Quote: IbeatyouracesHere is an abysmal $1 87.3380% machine.
You aren't missing anything that's a ~96% Triple Bonus PLUS machine (straight flush is 250 instead of 500 though). I likely figured out the 99.93% game too that I questioned. White Hot Aces with a $4700 Royal.
Ibeatyouraces said it was Triple Bonus and probably used that calculator, the IGT version of that only pays Kings or Better.
Well why is he saying its 87% then? If you play VP at all you would never look at that game and think its that low and if you ran it and it came back some strange number you would have to think.... "WOW, that makes no sense, I must have messed something up, let me try that again"Quote: tringlomaneQuote: AxelWolfwhat? I dont think that would be an 87% return....what am I missing?Quote: IbeatyouracesHere is an abysmal $1 87.3380% machine.
You aren't missing anything that's a 96.62% Triple Bonus PLUS machine. I likely figured out the 99.93% game too that I questioned. White Hot Aces with a $4700 Royal.
Quote: AxelWolfWell why is he saying its 87% then? If you play VP at all you would never look at that game and think its that low and if you ran it and it came back some strange number you would have to think.... "WOW, that makes no sense, I must have messed something up, let me try that again"Quote: tringlomaneQuote: AxelWolfwhat? I dont think that would be an 87% return....what am I missing?Quote: IbeatyouracesHere is an abysmal $1 87.3380% machine.
You aren't missing anything that's a 96.62% Triple Bonus PLUS machine. I likely figured out the 99.93% game too that I questioned. White Hot Aces with a $4700 Royal.
I edited my post with what he did. He used the Triple Bonus calculator where only Kings or better get paid. Also this game is 96.05%, I didn't notice the straight flush was only 250 instead of 500 til after I posted.
Quote: tringlomaneQuote: AxelWolfWell why is he saying its 87% then? If you play VP at all you would never look at that game and think its that low and if you ran it and it came back some strange number you would have to think.... "WOW, that makes no sense, I must have messed something up, let me try that again"Quote: tringlomaneQuote: AxelWolfwhat? I dont think that would be an 87% return....what am I missing?Quote: IbeatyouracesHere is an abysmal $1 87.3380% machine.
You aren't missing anything that's a 96.62% Triple Bonus PLUS machine. I likely figured out the 99.93% game too that I questioned. White Hot Aces with a $4700 Royal.
I edited my post with what he did. He used the Triple Bonus calculator where only Kings or better get paid. Also this game is 96.05%, I didn't notice the straight flush was only 250 instead of 500 til after I posted.
I didn't notice the Kings or better. Thanks for looking it up. Either way, I wouldn't play it :-)
At Eastside Cannery:
At Sam's Town:
I was also dealt 4 aces (but no kicker on the deal or on the draw, boo), and also got quad deuces 4 times. Not a bad trip! Thinking of heading back in August... but I shouldn't. :/
Quote: malgoriumJust got back from Vegas - got pretty lucky on DDB and FPDW! These aren't for super high stakes but for me they're high enough!
At Eastside Cannery:
At Sam's Town:
I was also dealt 4 aces (but no kicker on the deal or on the draw, boo), and also got quad deuces 4 times. Not a bad trip! Thinking of heading back in August... but I shouldn't. :/
Nice hits. Sam's Town has severely reduced their FPDW and slowed the machines down a bit if I remember right.
Quote: djatcSam's Town has severely reduced their FPDW and slowed the machines down a bit if I remember right.
They were set to sloth speed when I first played there in 2011. No idea how much slower they want them.
Quote: djatc
Nice hits. Sam's Town has severely reduced their FPDW and slowed the machines down a bit if I remember right.
Yup, they only have 2 FPDW 25c machines, and 1 is on sloth speed, but the other (that I was playing on) is about medium speed. They also have 6 10-coin 5c FPDW's, and those are also medium speed.
I normally play my FPDW at boulder Station; the only reason I play at Sam's town at all is that that's where I usually stay and I'm just too lazy to drive over to Boulder Station.
Quote: malgoriumYup, they only have 2 FPDW 25c machines, and 1 is on sloth speed, but the other (that I was playing on) is about medium speed. They also have 6 10-coin 5c FPDW's, and those are also medium speed.
I normally play my FPDW at boulder Station; the only reason I play at Sam's town at all is that that's where I usually stay and I'm just too lazy to drive over to Boulder Station.
Any time I've run into a slow machine I hit the help light and askk a slot person to speed it up to max speed for me. They always do it. Never been denied.
Quote: BigfsheadAny time I've run into a slow machine I hit the help light and askk a slot person to speed it up to max speed for me. They always do it. Never been denied.
The Sam's Town ones have/had stickers on them stating that they can't be sped up.
It all depends on the location and the game. I have had mixed results when asking, but at locations where it would really be advantageous generally won't.Quote: BigfsheadAny time I've run into a slow machine I hit the help light and askk a slot person to speed it up to max speed for me. They always do it. Never been denied.
