Desperately Seeking Baccarat
Quote: AxelWolfFor the life of me.... i cant understand why Mickey got suspended
I think Mickey took one for the team.
And I thought the craps guys were different, these bac guys are nuts.
I think it's is because it takes the least amount of brains to play.Quote: petroglyph
And I thought the craps guys were different, these bac guys are nuts.
I am humbled ... you, sir, are a master ...Quote: mickeycrimmGr8, while you are sucking your employer's dick, tell him how much you love sucking his dick.
--Ms. D.
Quote: AxelWolfI can just picture Mickey sitting at his computer, about to fall out of his chair, cursing, banging the keyboard with one hand , a un-ashed cigarette hanging out of his mouth all while chugging a bottle of Jack Daniels with the other hand. No doubt it was all fueled by that chick he was going on about the other night.
I like that scenario.
Made me think of Jack Nicholson in One flew over the cuckoo's nest, with of course Mickey playing Jack and one of those others being Nurse Ratchet.
I hope he makes it back from the shock treatment, and didn't get the lobotomy.
I thought he was being perfectly pc, for a guy that didn't push a desk his whole life. That just goes to character.
Quote: egaliteMy dual Lab's pairs are performing wonderful q]
Okay, I'm ready for a safer progression than my D'Alembert. Do you have written this dual labby anywhere?When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
Quote: rdw4potusI've never really paid attention to bacc table limits in AC. Usually, they're the same as PGP, which would be $25 at most shops. Where is GR8 finding a $10 game?
You can find $15 tables at Showboat and Resorts and $20 at Borgata from time to time. I've never seen $10 though - especially not at Borgata where I think he claims to play usually. Revel is typically $50, Taj Mahal and Caesar's are always $25, Trump Plaza only has it open when the casino is packed (I've never seen it open!) not sure about any of the other places.
Quote: wudgedYou can find $15 tables at Showboat and Resorts and $20 at Borgata from time to time. I've never seen $10 though - especially not at Borgata where I think he claims to play usually. Revel is typically $50, Taj Mahal and Caesar's are always $25, Trump Plaza only has it open when the casino is packed (I've never seen it open!) not sure about any of the other places.Quote: rdw4potusI've never really paid attention to bacc table limits in AC. Usually, they're the same as PGP, which would be $25 at most shops. Where is GR8 finding a $10 game?
Something to keep in mind is the possibility that this feud (between egalite and gr8player) has been going on for quite some time.
At the time of the communication between them, $10 tables may well have been more common than in today's environment.
For that matter, one of the casinos on my route still offers a $5 MiniBac game! (Don't get all excited about it; game conditions are horrible, and the place itself is a real dump.)
Probably best to let these two settle the matter amongst themselves.
Doesn't mean it's not fun to watch, though.
Quote: egaliteHad he not stated he bet $10 per hand, I would not have deleted the email, obviously I didn't respond and say, hey your nuts. I simply deleted the email and never contacted him again and left it at that. It was only when he decided to start badgering me and claiming to bet $400 per hand, did it all kick off. He could be betting 2 units @ 20, I've no idea, neither do I care.
My favorite is when gr8 posted his thread "The chicken or the egg" here, and you pointed out that he posted the same exact message (verbatim!) on GG over 3 years ago. He even began his post with the same 5 dots "....." LOL!
"The chicken or the egg" on WoV (2013):
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/15062-the-chicken-of-the-egg/
"The chicken or the egg" on GG (2010):
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1063&forum=Baccarat_Message_Board
the classic for me is when he asked members of GG to post results and he was going to tell them what came next. I literally did fall out of my chair reading that.Quote: Beethoven9thMy favorite is when gr8 posted his "The chicken or the egg" thread here, and you pointed out that he posted the same exact message (verbatim!) on GG over 3 years ago. He even began his post with the same 5 dots "....." LOL!
It was available. I think those that got to read it couldn't get their head around it. Most simply want after you lose a bet you bet x, if you lose again bet y and if you lose again bet z, they need something written in stone. My approach is not that clear cut, it is more of a concept, a concept of clearing an initial goal target safely in your own time. Unlike a lot of negative progressions out there, this has a lot of scope for the player to make judgement calls, nothing is defined or set in concrete. A few friends I have shown it to and given 1 on 1 (limited, trying to avoid obvious coaching at the tables) table tuition like it a lot.Quote: DeMangoOkay, I'm ready for a safer progression than my D'Alembert. Do you have written this dual labby anywhere?
I don't want to post in-depth details on any forum, other than I'm running two sets of pre-defined cancellations strings, the difference between the strings is a factor of 10 ($10 & $100), at the $50 table, ($50 & $500) at the VIP table it is a factor or 5 ($100 & $500). Having been around the blocks a bit, I know we can not predict jacksh1t in this game. Personally I don't subscribe to flat betting, or betting positively. So I designed a staking plan that if I were to sit at a table and due to my predictive skills lose say the first 8 bets I place, I am not sent to the wall nor my bankroll put under any pressure. Even horrendous loss strings later in the piece should not damage your bankroll if you have the fortitude to implement any of the many defensive moves to protect your cash which is always the number 1 priority.
Does the concept work against a 50-50 guessing game were there is no edge in determining which side is going to win, hmmmm hand on heart, while it has gotten rocky at times, it is fairly robust and I have survived each time, now on my 19th winning session. The problem is I could clone myself 5 times and play the same shoe and end up with each clone ending up with 5 different outcomes. It is difficult to explain in print even if I choose to do so, if you travel to me and I would be willing to explain and demonstrate it in action. Suffice to say it's roots lie with the old multi-bank Garcia / HP Johnson progression methods and Victors VLS Labochere threads on the defunct VIP Lounge forum.
Quote: egalitethe classic for me is when he asked members of GG to post results and he was going to tell them what came next. I literally did fall out of my chair reading that.
Boy, I've really missed out on all of the GR8 One's whoppers over the past 7 years. One moment he's asked to write a book on baccarat, the next moment he's Carnac the Magnificent...LOL! I swear, this guy never ceases to amaze me. *chuckle*
Quote: egaliteSuffice to say it's roots lie with the old multi-bank Gracia / HP Johnson progression methods and Victors VLS Labochere threads on the defunct VIP Lounge forum.
Don't you just use multiple lines in the Labby,
like
1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
1 1 1 1 1
This keeps it from getting volitile.
Sounds like you use a martingale system, but stop at 8 or something, then start over? Ya that's never been done before.Quote: egalitethe classic for me is when he asked members of GG to post results and he was going to tell them what came next. I literally did fall out of my chair reading that.
It was available. I think those that got to read it couldn't get their head around it. Most simply want after you lose a bet you bet x, if you lose again bet y and if you lose again bet z, they need something written in stone. My approach is not that clear cut, it is more of a concept, a concept of clearing an initial goal target safely in your own time. Unlike a lot of negative progressions out there, this has a lot of scope for the player to make judgement calls, nothing is defined or set in concrete. A few friends I have shown it to and given 1 on 1 (limited, trying to avoid obvious coaching at the tables) table tuition like it a lot.
I don't want to post in-depth details on any forum, other than I'm running two sets of pre-defined cancellations strings, the difference between the strings is a factor of 10 ($10 & $100), at the $50 table, ($50 & $500) at the VIP table it is a factor or 5 ($100 & $500). Having been around the blocks a bit, I know we can not predict jacksh1t in this game. Personally I don't subscribe to flat betting, or betting positively. So I designed a staking plan that if I were to sit at a table and due to my predictive skills lose say the first 8 bets I place, I am not sent to the wall nor my bankroll put under any pressure. Even horrendous loss strings later in the piece should not damage your bankroll if you have the fortitude to implement any of the many defensive moves to protect your cash which is always the number priority.
Does the concept work against a 50-50 guessing game were there is no edge in determining which side is going to win, hmmmm hand on heart, while it has gotten rocky at times, it is fairly robust and I have survived each time, now on my 19th winning session. The problem is I could clone myself 5 times and play the same shoe and end up with each clone ending up with 5 different outcomes. It is difficult to explain in print even if I choose to do so, if you travel to me and I would be willing to explain and demonstrate it in action. Suffice to say it's roots lie with the old multi-bank Gracia / HP Johnson progression methods and Victors VLS Labochere threads on the defunct VIP Lounge forum.
Predictive theories for bacarrat have been proven mathematically false, so it up to the bacarrat believers to show the math that it's mathematically true without some kind of magic involved. What card presentation gives you an edge over the house?
So then you combine with a betting system to state that you can overcome the house edge by varying bets and buying into a trend.
Hell, if you do that, you can apply the same betting methods to Blackjack, Craps, hell, even Roulette to beat the house. And plenty of people on this forum do just that. Then one day, or month, or year, they flame out, and you never hear from them again.
The problem is that over time, your loss will average out to the House Edge x the Average bet, over the long run. A few will win, most will lose.
Quote: boymimbo...so it up to the bacarrat believers to show the math that it's mathematically true without some kind of magic involved.
That's the whole problem. HE WON'T DO ANY OF THAT.
That's what I was trying to tell you in the "Discussion" thread. This guy has been going on and on for SEVEN years saying the same thing over and over and over. He claims that he can beat baccarat, but when people present him with the math which shows otherwise, he makes ridiculous statements like, "Well YOUR math may say that the casino has the edge, but MY math says that I do!"
Seriously, how the hell are you supposed to argue with a statement as dumb as that? Are we the forum members supposed to sit this guy down and explain to him the validity of mathematics? That would be as absurd as sitting down with a Flat Earther and trying to explain that the earth is round.
And the real kicker is that the guy (who never shuts up, BTW) will claim that he's being "bullied" whenever people get fed up and tell him to take his BS elsewhere. Hell, he even took a 3-year-old GG post and re-posted it here about a month ago. VERBATIM. He even used the same damn title: "The chicken or the egg".
Lame, lame, lame...
Quote: Beethoven9th"The chicken or the egg".
Lame, lame, lame...
No, "the chicken OF the egg".
Touché! :D
Or were he was "made up" absolutely rapped because the car jockey knew his name, or when some staff member stood there, watched then complimented his play during their 'off'' time. Not only do I think that wouldn't be allowed, dealers sometimes compliment my tolerance, but when they get tapped, they wouldn't stand around watching any punter nor would any waiter staff, so not really sure who was watching what? Only in Walter Mitty's world do such things happen, such as being rated to win on a casino computer system?????Quote: Beethoven9thBoy, I've really missed out on all of the GR8 One's whoppers over the past 7 years. One moment he's asked to write a book on baccarat, the next moment he's Carnac the Magnificent...LOL! I swear, this guy never ceases to amaze me. *chuckle*
I've progressed beyond that.Quote: EvenBobDon't you just use multiple lines in the Labby,
like
1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
1 1 1 1 1
This keeps it from getting volitile.
Please do me a favour, don't insult my intelligence. Earlier bought in for "3 bags" and walked out with 3150 profit, a tad over 100% of the buyin. My initial goal was anything over 1k, but after getting hit on the last shoe on the $10 min table and being 200 down. I took out my frustration and rounded everything up and add a bit more for the buggeration factor, well a lot more actually. TBH I'm on my best ever run since playing this game back in 2004 and any variation or smell of a Marty is nowhere to seen.Quote: AlexWolfSounds like you use a martingale system, but stop at 8 or something, then start over? Ya that's never been done before.
Yeah okay. Not sure whom your post is aimed at? I do not try and predict anything as it would be futile. You stick to your maths theories, I will stick to my application of it being easier to win a single bet within in a series of hands rather than every bet within a series of hands. I'm sure that rings true with you mathites. I don't trend, because unlike some I appreciate there is no correlation between past and future hands, besides being a load of nonsense and speculation.Quote: boymimboPredictive theories for bacarrat have been proven mathematically false, so it up to the bacarrat believers to show the math that it's mathematically true without some kind of magic involved. What card presentation gives you an edge over the house?
So then you combine with a betting system to state that you can overcome the house edge by varying bets and buying into a trend.
Hell, if you do that, you can apply the same betting methods to Blackjack, Craps, hell, even Roulette to beat the house. And plenty of people on this forum do just that. Then one day, or month, or year, they flame out, and you never hear from them again.
The problem is that over time, your loss will average out to the House Edge x the Average bet, over the long run. A few will win, most will lose.
Similar to GR8, who cares about the house edge, do you really think I am some lucky novice punter who has just grinded an original 1k buyin back on Sept 17 to 30k+ more or less playing every day. Some sessions have been smooth, such as todays, some have been a nightmarish and lasted longer than 20hr+ (had two of those back to back, you do what you have to do to avoid defeat, paying the cost of time than losing a roll). A few times the casino have had my balls in a vice and not managed to cripple me, such as coming back from a 8k deficit with 1k and still leaving with a decent enough profit, table composure being paramount no matter how tired and mentally drained you feel.
Digressing for a moment, let me share with something I witnessed in another territory. I rock up to my local on a Friday night, in their favourite spot is a reputed 96 year old Chinese woman (some say she was over 100). I go home after a few hours, return Sat, she is still there. In fact she was still there Monday night. She never left the place from when I arrived Fri and finally went home Monday evening, the dealers were telling me, sometimes she never left her chair during the shuffle and we are talking a slow Big Bac game. Her only mistake, was thinking Monday was actually Sunday, not that she seemed worst for wear for that minor forgetful slip, although best not to sit next to her as her breath smelt like cat food. Personally I have to stretch after sitting for any shoe, nobody should complain about feeling fatigued in a casino, if she can go that long placing the odd Banker and Tie bet, well anybody can.
Returning to your post, so when is this house edge suppose to kick in? My edge is kicking it every day. I've no idea how many shoes I've play, must already be in the many many hundreds as I've had multiple sessions in the same day, which would also increase my consecutive winning count. What is really working in my favour, is that I have no commitments on this jaunt, the place is open 24/7, nobody is questioning "where have I been", "what time do you call this". I can sleep during the day, gamble at night, sleep at night, gamble during the day, answerable to nothing but my conscience. I also don't hide behind a computer screen, I am easy to find.
Am I running the risk of burn out? Who knows, I am acutely aware of the pitfalls of what winning too often and what it will do to your psyche or travelling to a casino expecting to win easily. As a mat8 often reassures me, my "edge" is me, nobody will ever be able replicate what I do, simply because they are not me, it's not just a matter of bet selection which all resolve equally anyhow, nor just the staking scheme utilised, it also includes how you are going to handle pressures of draw-downs, handling chit-chat from the pit, casino heat, not possible to be under the radar any longer, be my guest and measure that!
For some cream on the top, the casino are pretty generous with their comps program, already accumulated another "bag" via their points program (venue pays rather well to entice people to gamble), plus decent "nose-bag" (food), top shelf drinks free (once I'm finished) via comps or exclusive program membership.
I've heard at some places, if you buyin' or wire 50k, they will fly you in and give you 5k worth of free chips and you are not committed to use any of the $50k, add to that money you can rake from the tables, not a bad life-style. Heard of some Chinese high rollers that were $5M up last night, betting the table max of $250k per hand behind closed doors. No CSM's in the VIP areas on the BJ tables. Chatting to one of the bosses he was telling me somebody even brought in one the locally built roulette computers to demo in the place???? So they now keep a careful watch on anybody betting very late, or those that might keep one hand in their pocket while playing LOL.
Quote: jhousetcMay be if you start to play as much Baccarat as I do. You'll start to understand what GR8 is talking about.
Oh, I understand what he's talking about. I just don't think HE understands. lol...
And just how much Baccarat is that?Quote: jhousetcMay be if you start to play as much Baccarat as I do. You'll start to understand what GR8 is talking about.
Quote: rob45And just how much Baccarat is that?
$250,000 worth?
LOL!Quote: wudged$250,000 worth?
Small correction though: -$250,000
Haha...;)
Quote: jhousetcMay be if you start to play as much Baccarat as I do. You'll start to understand what GR8 is talking about.
No, if you play as much as you do (or he does) you should learn to know better than to believe the garbage that he spews.
I AM THE BEST BACCARAT PLAYER EVER
Quote: jhousetcMay be if you start to play as much Baccarat as I do. You'll start to understand what GR8 is talking about.
Hello, jhousetc. I trust all is well with you.
Thank you for taking the time, and, even more pertinent, the risk, of your posting public support of "anything gr8player" in this forum.
While I certainly appreciate it, you'll soon come to realization of the repercussions for such "blasphemy" as daring to take on any "negative expectation" game with a, dare I say it, "positive expectation" for yourself.
I am, quite obviously, "persona non grata" in this forum.
One either falls into line around here, or simply falls out of grace.
My Baccarat theories and my Baccarat plays, and, heaven forbid, my sharing of same, does not resonate well within these confinements.
And that, my friend, is the very shame of it all.
Why the pretense of even having a "Table Games" subsection in this forum, if we are not given the full opportunity for full and unfettered discourse within it?
When, pray tell, have differing views become so intolerable? Towards what end? Unanimity? Is that the desired goal....unanimity? How boring is that?
So, while I surely can understand the opposing views to my Baccarat theories/plays, I could never understand the reasoning behind the belittlement of same.
Ah, well....best for me to leave the remainder of my thoughts regarding this matter unsaid, for I am quite certain that my next suspension will probably be of the "permanent" variety. Can't have a "rogue" member such as myself running wild 'round here, now can we? Yeah...I just finished two weeks' suspension for using, frankly, a "turn of phrase", not meant as anything personal, towards our esteemed Betthoven9th. Heck, I even apologized a couple of posts later when it became apparent the Beethoven9th took it a bit too personally. Case closed, right? Wrong! Got two weeks suspension by the grace of our esteemed admin anyhow....yeah, I'm sure I've got quite the "target on my back" 'round here. I'd best pipe down....
Carry on.
Oh, and one more thing.....
Directly proceeding my suspension, a few of our esteemed members chose to post some rather controversial material regarding me, my play, and, frankly, my character. Go back a couple of pages, you'll easily find them. All posted by the regular suspects....Beethoven9th, EvenBob, and Egalite.
Rather than go back and revisit these deceitful postings, I much prefer to leave you with this question to ponder:
What sort of person would post such demeaning and belittling trash while the subject of the attack is under suspension, and, therefore, can offer no viable self-defense?
What might that say of their character?
I believe it speaks volumes for these sorts of people. Loud and clear. Oh, and absolutely disgusting, IMHO.
Quote: gr8playerI can't go this week or next, for that matter. I will, however, be in AC on Saturday Nov 16 and Sunday Nov 17.
November 16th is next saturday (a week from tomorrow). I guess that means that you have less time to wait than you thought:-)
Quote: gr8playerI am, quite obviously, "persona non grata" in this forum.
One either falls into line around here, or simply falls out of grace.
I'd drop this thought, as well as the "woe is me" attitude. It doesn't become you.
The problem doesn't seem to be with you. Your quirky writing and typically gentleman-like demeanor aren't anything anyone could really gripe about. On the contrary, you usually take your lumps in stride without lowering yourself to childish retorts or openly offensive remarks.
But you must understand that math and logic rule here. Having a "system" that cannot be wrung through the wringer and proven on paper is going to gain you no favor. It doesn't mean you're hated, it just means no one will hop on your bandwagon. Your opponents, on the other hand, can and have shown their work, and have hundreds of years of math to show anyone exactly how their system will perform.
Many here have systems, myself included. I play it, I've written about it, and I haven't had one person say anything remotely negative about me or my system. The difference between me and you, though, is I just post it as "something I do". I'd be happy to share it and I have. Much like yours, it's almost impossible to run through the wringer because it's mostly based off "feel", and so what? That's the way I play, it's what I like, and people are free to take it or leave it.
However, if I posted that this system was something other than what it was, just another way of playing that leads us to the same end (ie a negative expectation), that's when I'd run into trouble. That's when those who frequent this site, the math guys, the logic guys, are going to clamor to prove it. And the more I refused to prove it, whether out of stubborness or impossibility, the less patient everyone would become with me.
Therein lies your problem. You seem to want someone to acknowledge that you've "found it" without being able to prove it. This just won't happen here. If you continue to try, you'll receive much the same response as you have.
You like Bac, maybe even love it. So post away. Share what you do as reports, as stories, as experiences. I'm sure someone will hop along because they enjoy it too, or enjoy gambling in general. Everything could be just fine.
Quote: FaceI'd drop this thought, as well as the "woe is me" attitude. It doesn't become you.
The problem doesn't seem to be with you. Your quirky writing and typically gentleman-like demeanor aren't anything anyone could really gripe about. On the contrary, you usually take your lumps in stride without lowering yourself to childish retorts or openly offensive remarks.
But you must understand that math and logic rule here. Having a "system" that cannot be wrung through the wringer and proven on paper is going to gain you no favor. It doesn't mean you're hated, it just means no one will hop on your bandwagon. Your opponents, on the other hand, can and have shown their work, and have hundreds of years of math to show anyone exactly how their system will perform.
Many here have systems, myself included. I play it, I've written about it, and I haven't had one person say anything remotely negative about me or my system. The difference between me and you, though, is I just post it as "something I do". I'd be happy to share it and I have. Much like yours, it's almost impossible to run through the wringer because it's mostly based off "feel", and so what? That's the way I play, it's what I like, and people are free to take it or leave it.
However, if I posted that this system was something other than what it was, just another way of playing that leads us to the same end (ie a negative expectation), that's when I'd run into trouble. That's when those who frequent this site, the math guys, the logic guys, are going to clamor to prove it. And the more I refused to prove it, whether out of stubborness or impossibility, the less patient everyone would become with me.
Therein lies your problem. You seem to want someone to acknowledge that you've "found it" without being able to prove it. This just won't happen here. If you continue to try, you'll receive much the same response as you have.
You like Bac, maybe even love it. So post away. Share what you do as reports, as stories, as experiences. I'm sure someone will hop along because they enjoy it too, or enjoy gambling in general. Everything could be just fine.
Really well said, Face. I would say, though, that you've made a distinction of where Gr8 has, in fact, contributed to his situation, where you talk about how he's made claims that he hasn't (note I didn't say "can't") backed up with hard, testable information. By default, in the opinions of his detractors, if he "won't", then he "can't". And so he draws ridicule of his system, which he takes personally instead of either conceding that his system is not testable or provable on math or logic, or providing data that can be evaluated. And the downward spiral continues each time this sticking point is reached.
I think it's important to reiterate the issue between the moderators and Gr8 as well, at least as I've read it to be. Mission146's issue with Gr8 isn't personal, either, though Gr8 seems even in his latest post not to understand that. Gr8 had 5 distinct threads running a couple of months ago all saying identical things and making identical arguments to responses. Mission asked him to stop creating new threads on the same subject, as he was spamming the board and fracturing the conversation. Mission told Gr8 he could continue his existing threads, and start other threads on other subjects, and that would not violate the anti-spamming rule this board has. Gr8, in response, created another thread about the same thing. And got banned. Mission146 would have done the same thing with anybody given that sequence of events. Had nothing to do with Gr8, baccarat, or personalities.
Quote: FaceI haven't had one person say anything remotely negative about me .
The only negative thing I would say about Face is,
don't ride in a car with him in the winter, he has
a death wish. Other than that, he's a great guy..
Quote: gr8playeras my partner is on vacation
Your "partner"? Doesn't someone else play with a "partner"??? Hmm...
Quote: EvenBobThe only negative thing I would say about Face is,
don't ride in a car with him in the winter, he has
a death wish. Other than that, he's a great guy..
IIRC, he also displayed questionable taste in the "which model should I use for my next shoot" thread. Who votes none-of-the-above when given choices who are that beautiful?!?
LOL
Quote: FaceI'd drop this thought, as well as the "woe is me" attitude. It doesn't become you.
The problem doesn't seem to be with you. Your quirky writing and typically gentleman-like demeanor aren't anything anyone could really gripe about. On the contrary, you usually take your lumps in stride without lowering yourself to childish retorts or openly offensive remarks.
But you must understand that math and logic rule here. Having a "system" that cannot be wrung through the wringer and proven on paper is going to gain you no favor. It doesn't mean you're hated, it just means no one will hop on your bandwagon. Your opponents, on the other hand, can and have shown their work, and have hundreds of years of math to show anyone exactly how their system will perform.
Many here have systems, myself included. I play it, I've written about it, and I haven't had one person say anything remotely negative about me or my system. The difference between me and you, though, is I just post it as "something I do". I'd be happy to share it and I have. Much like yours, it's almost impossible to run through the wringer because it's mostly based off "feel", and so what? That's the way I play, it's what I like, and people are free to take it or leave it.
However, if I posted that this system was something other than what it was, just another way of playing that leads us to the same end (ie a negative expectation), that's when I'd run into trouble. That's when those who frequent this site, the math guys, the logic guys, are going to clamor to prove it. And the more I refused to prove it, whether out of stubborness or impossibility, the less patient everyone would become with me.
Therein lies your problem. You seem to want someone to acknowledge that you've "found it" without being able to prove it. This just won't happen here. If you continue to try, you'll receive much the same response as you have.
You like Bac, maybe even love it. So post away. Share what you do as reports, as stories, as experiences. I'm sure someone will hop along because they enjoy it too, or enjoy gambling in general. Everything could be just fine.
Face, upon reading your post I feel compelled to thank you for sharing your wonderful insight here in this thread. Great job, my friend, and stay well.
Quote: rdw4potusNo, if you play as much as you do (or he does) you should learn to know better than to believe the garbage that he spews.
And then there's the complete lack of any "wonderful insight".....
The "garbage I spew", rdw4potus? Really? Disappointing to read, especially coming from a person whose opinion I respect.
Quote: gr8playerAnd then there's the complete lack of any "wonderful insight".....
The "garbage I spew", rdw4potus? Really? Disappointing to read, especially coming from a person whose opinion I respect.
Thank heavens you are back, teacher! I, for one, am thrilled to see the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat posting on WoV again!
But teacher, I beg you to do everything in your power to control your emotions this time. I forgive you for calling me an 'idiot', for I am your #1 student, but other members may not be so forgiving. Therefore, may I humbly suggest some anger management counseling? I do not want to see you lose control again, teacher!!
Quote: beachbumbabsReally well said, Face. I would say, though, that you've made a distinction of where Gr8 has, in fact, contributed to his situation, where you talk about how he's made claims that he hasn't (note I didn't say "can't") backed up with hard, testable information. By default, in the opinions of his detractors, if he "won't", then he "can't". And so he draws ridicule of his system, which he takes personally instead of either conceding that his system is not testable or provable on math or logic, or providing data that can be evaluated. And the downward spiral continues each time this sticking point is reached.
I think it's important to reiterate the issue between the moderators and Gr8 as well, at least as I've read it to be. Mission146's issue with Gr8 isn't personal, either, though Gr8 seems even in his latest post not to understand that. Gr8 had 5 distinct threads running a couple of months ago all saying identical things and making identical arguments to responses. Mission asked him to stop creating new threads on the same subject, as he was spamming the board and fracturing the conversation. Mission told Gr8 he could continue his existing threads, and start other threads on other subjects, and that would not violate the anti-spamming rule this board has. Gr8, in response, created another thread about the same thing. And got banned. Mission146 would have done the same thing with anybody given that sequence of events. Had nothing to do with Gr8, baccarat, or personalities.
Hello, beachbumbabs. Thank you, as well, for taking the time to post your well-regarded opinion on the matter.
While I mightn't agree whole-heartedly, especially as it pertains to my suspensions, I appreciate your thoughtful input. I might, if I were you, take a look back a few pages to come to the root cause of my latest suspension, and the posts that followed, including my posted apology, and then determine for yourself if those two weeks of suspension were, or were not, actually warranted.
I wish not, as Face put it, put the "woe is me" label upon myself. I ask no favors, but I wish fair treatment, for myself, for all members.
In that same vein, look, if you will, at my friend "Soxfan"'s recent suspension. Absolutely needless and senseless punishment, IMHO.
Somebody should speak up about it. I, for one, choose to, and always will.
Quote: Beethoven9thI forgive you for calling me an 'idiot'
You're about two weeks late, my friend. At that time, you made post after post, calling for my head on a platter. And you got your wish. Good job, Beethoven9th, you must be one proud gentleman.....
I wish you all the very best of it.
Quote: gr8playerIn that same vein, look, if you will, at my friend "Soxfan"'s recent suspension. Absolutely needless and senseless punishment, IMHO.
But he broke Rule #5, teacher. And he admitted it himself!!
Again, please control your anger, my esteemed teacher. I can tell that you are fuming more & more with each message that you post. I do not want to see the world's foremost expert in everything baccarat get nuked!
