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January 7th, 2019 at 7:24:19 PM permalink
I keep hearing about this Double-Doink controversy in the Bears-Eagles game. What I don't get is why there is a controversy.

Let me go back and explain the situation, as I understand it. With 5 seconds left in the game Chicago was down by one point, 15 to 16. They had the ball at the 43-yard line and attempt a field goal. The field goal fails -- it hits the left bar, bounces off and hits the bottom bar, and then bounces outside the upright bars, resulting in a missed field goal and Philly winning (yeah!).

It was a pretty easy field goal, I think about 90% make it from that distance, and it doesn't go in. That's sports. Any fan of a Chicago team in any sport should be able to take losing, they should be used to it. I was so hoping the Dodgers would remind Cubs fans of their place, but, alas, not everything goes my way.

Anyway, now careful examination of the replay shows that maybe a Phily player tipped the ball. My response to that is -- who cares?! They are allowed to try to block it. What difference does it make what the reason for the missed field goal is?

Can anyone explain to me why this made the national news on ABC tonight?

Further reading -- Was the Bears double-doink field goal actually tipped? An investigation.
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January 7th, 2019 at 7:46:00 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I keep hearing about this Double-Doink controversy in the Bears-Eagles game. What I don't get is why there is a controversy.

Let me go back and explain the situation, as I understand it. With 5 seconds left in the game Chicago was down by one point, 15 to 16. They had the ball at the 43-yard line and attempt a field goal. The field goal fails -- it hits the left bar, bounces off and hits the bottom bar, and then bounces outside the upright bars, resulting in a missed field goal and Philly winning (yeah!).

It was a pretty easy field goal, I think about 90% make it from that distance, and it doesn't go in. That's sports. Any fan of a Chicago team in any sport should be able to take losing, they should be used to it. I was so hoping the Dodgers would remind Cubs fans of their place, but, alas, not everything goes my way.

Anyway, now careful examination of the replay shows that maybe a Phily player tipped the ball. My response to that is -- who cares?! They are allowed to try to block it. What difference does it make what the reason for the missed field goal is?

Can anyone explain to me why this made the national news on ABC tonight?

Further reading -- Was the Bears double-doink field goal actually tipped? An investigation.



A couple things.

This same kicker hit the uprights 4 TIMES in one game Chicago had earlier this year. Missed some others here and there. There's been chatter for weeks, what if it comes down to this guy? And then it did. He's the most hated guy in Chicago today, i promise. I would expect death threats.

EXCEPT.

If the ball got tipped enough to throw it left, that's on the Offensive Line, not the Kicker. They let the outside right defender go around the OL and dive in front of the kicker with a hand up.

AND

The guy kicked it perfectly, but the refs claimed the Eagles had called a time-out in time to negate the kick. I'm not so sure about that, actually. I think the ball was hiked before the TO and it was a late whistle. So the double-doink was actually the second time he kicked it.

I do think mostly it's just all the chatter about the 4 doinks in one game, and everybody holding their breath to see if, after all the commentary about it, the guy could kick the game winner. Irony and destiny mixed together.

Update: The NFL just changed the Stat from a missed FG to a blocked kick.

More background:

Quote: Chicago Tribune


Parkey, who hit an upright an outrageous six times out of 11 total missed kicks this season, honorably was waiting for the media at his locker after the loss Sunday. But the Bears didnít subject him to answering more questions Monday. He was not one of seven players made available during media access, so he couldnít lend his thoughts on the most significant postgame development surrounding the kick.

The NFL officially changed Parkeyís missed field goal to a blocked kick by Eagles defensive lineman Treyvon Hester, who said Sunday night that he tipped the football on the kick. Video footage appears to back up that claim, though itís unknown how much of an effect his hand made.

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January 7th, 2019 at 8:03:32 PM permalink
I don't know, and don't care. But.
Quote: Wizard

...They had the ball at the 43-yard line and attempt a field goal... ...<SNIP>... ...-- who cares?!....

Just to take my inner Dead pedantic pet (Axel's head is now exploding) out for a little walk: If it was at the 43 yard line, it was an attempt at [EDIT: more than] a 53 yard field goal. Not "pretty easy." If it was a 43 yard field goal attempt, it was from [EDIT: inside the] 33 yard line.*

*Shame on you, if even Dead guys know that.
Last edited by: DrawingDead on Jan 7, 2019
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January 7th, 2019 at 8:15:14 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I keep hearing about this Double-Doink controversy in the Bears-Eagles game. What I don't get is why there is a controversy.

Let me go back and explain the situation, as I understand it. With 5 seconds left in the game Chicago was down by one point, 15 to 16. They had the ball at the 43-yard line and attempt a field goal. The field goal fails -- it hits the left bar, bounces off and hits the bottom bar, and then bounces outside the upright bars, resulting in a missed field goal and Philly winning (yeah!).

It was a pretty easy field goal, I think about 90% make it from that distance, and it doesn't go in. That's sports. Any fan of a Chicago team in any sport should be able to take losing, they should be used to it. I was so hoping the Dodgers would remind Cubs fans of their place, but, alas, not everything goes my way.

Anyway, now careful examination of the replay shows that maybe a Phily player tipped the ball. My response to that is -- who cares?! They are allowed to try to block it. What difference does it make what the reason for the missed field goal is?

Can anyone explain to me why this made the national news on ABC tonight?

Further reading -- Was the Bears double-doink field goal actually tipped? An investigation.



Because it changes the narrative from a struggling kicker cost his team the game to a great defense won its team the game.

The actual result doesn't change but it actually makes fans of both teams feel better.

Eagles fans want to know that their team won the game by making a great play and not getting unlucky.

Similarly, Bears fans can feel better that their team didn't blow the game but lost on a good play by the opponent.

By the way, the kick was from 43 yards and kickers are 81 percent from that yardage this year.
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January 7th, 2019 at 8:36:19 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

I don't know, and don't care. But.

Quote: Wizard

...They had the ball at the 43-yard line and attempt a field goal... ...<SNIP>... ...-- who cares?!....

Just to take my inner Dead pedantic pet (Axel's head is now exploding) out for a little walk: If it was at the 43 yard line, it was an attempt at a 53 yard field goal. Not "pretty easy." If it was a 43 yard field goal attempt, it was from the 33 yard line.*

*Shame on you, if even Dead guys know that.



If they have the ball at the 43 yard line itís more like a 60 yard FG, because they kick from about 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
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January 7th, 2019 at 8:40:31 PM permalink
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January 7th, 2019 at 9:03:21 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Quote: DrawingDead

I don't know, and don't care. But.

Quote: Wizard

...They had the ball at the 43-yard line and attempt a field goal... ...<SNIP>... ...-- who cares?!....

Just to take my inner Dead pedantic pet (Axel's head is now exploding) out for a little walk: If it was at the 43 yard line, it was an attempt at a 53 yard field goal. Not "pretty easy." If it was a 43 yard field goal attempt, it was from the 33 yard line.*

*Shame on you, if even Dead guys know that.



If they have the ball at the 43 yard line itís more like a 60 yard FG, because they kick from about 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Yes, it is, that's how far they have to kick it, but it is scored as a field goal or FG attempt with a length measured to the back of the end zone from the yard line at which the play began, regardless of how deep the kicker and holder were. Same as punts, or passes, the length of which is counted from where the ball was first snapped to start the play, not from the spot where it was thrown or kicked, and not counting any added distance it travelled across the width of the field either.

EDIT: I was wrong about scoring field goal distance; it is not measured as punts & passes are.
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January 7th, 2019 at 9:04:31 PM permalink
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Quote: unJon

Quote: DrawingDead

I don't know, and don't care. But.

Quote: Wizard

...They had the ball at the 43-yard line and attempt a field goal... ...<SNIP>... ...-- who cares?!....

Just to take my inner Dead pedantic pet (Axel's head is now exploding) out for a little walk: If it was at the 43 yard line, it was an attempt at a 53 yard field goal. Not "pretty easy." If it was a 43 yard field goal attempt, it was from the 33 yard line.*

*Shame on you, if even Dead guys know that.



If they have the ball at the 43 yard line itís more like a 60 yard FG, because they kick from about 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Yes, it is, that's how far they have to kick it, but it is scored as a field goal or FG attempt with a length measured to the goal posts in the back of the end zone from the yard line at which the play began, regardless of how deep the kicker and holder were. Same as punts, or passes, the length of which is counted from where the ball was first snapped to start the play, not from the spot where it was thrown or kicked, and not counting any added distance it travelled across the width of the field either.



Incorrect. Itís exactly not like punts or passes. FGs are scored from where the ball is kicked.
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January 7th, 2019 at 9:16:03 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

This same kicker hit the uprights 4 TIMES in one game Chicago had earlier this year. Missed some others here and there. There's been chatter for weeks, what if it comes down to this guy? And then it did. He's the most hated guy in Chicago today, i promise. I would expect death threats.

It was 4th down at the Eagles 25 yard line. That is how it became a 43 yard try.

Da Bears
FG kicker was a 75%er (23 of 30 or closer to 76.7%er)
during the season
that is 3 out of 4 made (also missed 3 extra point tries)

He had made 3 out of 3 during the game, most forgot that,
so Da Bears could have won because he put them in the position to win
making all his field goals up to that point.

and did make the 4th one to an obvious to me late timeout call on the Eagles.
(refs should have reviewed that one)
from there he was toast

I was a 75%er in high school football (well, actually about 72.5%)
and I was laughed at because of it (for only 2 years)
(not that I was only 5'8)
and I was terrible

75%er in the pros has to be worse
no matter the distances tried (most are less than 50 yards)
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January 7th, 2019 at 9:30:43 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Incorrect. Itís exactly not like punts or passes. FGs are scored from where the ball is kicked.

You're right, and I edited my last post to note my mistake. So, if it was a 43 yard field goal attempt they were even closer than the 33 yard line, like about the 26 or so. Or if they were actually at the 43 then it was something like a 60-ish attempt like you said. And even a Dead guy is pretty sure that would be hard, since as a teenage kid I saw Tom Dempsey in the flesh with New Orleans back in ancient times in the rickety crumbling old Tulane Stadium, where he did this with the only foot he had, setting some kind of record at the time:



I don't remember for sure, but I think that might've been the only game the Saints won that year. Or at least close to it, if somehow they accidentally won two or something. Usually the streetcar ride to & from was more exciting than the games. When you've been given season tickets to the only thing in town, you tend to remember the few things they ever manage to do right.

Not that I've begun to care. Was this a game that mattered for something? Nevermind, I'll assume it probably kinda sorta was, and continue to not care and go back to counting down the days 'till Spring Training.
Last edited by: DrawingDead on Jan 7, 2019

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