2019 Kentucky Derby & Triple Crown classics
May 1st, 2019 at 5:54:06 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleOmaha Beach scratched. Derby in chaos.
So Mike Smith goes horseless for the Derby? Would Baffert really make the switch back to him on Roadster so close to race day?
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
May 1st, 2019 at 6:07:47 PM
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Quote: ahiromuSo Mike Smith goes horseless for the Derby? Would Baffert really make the switch back to him on Roadster so close to race day?
Wow. The day Mike won on Roadster, Baffert offered him his choice of rides. I thought he would stay on Roadster.
I bet he bumps whoever.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
May 1st, 2019 at 6:17:25 PM
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They won’t do that to Flo. It’s not good for
business. I believe they’d have to pay both jockeys if they did that.
business. I believe they’d have to pay both jockeys if they did that.
May 3rd, 2019 at 1:36:24 PM
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I got invalid parameter. Would you check please?Quote: ontariodealerI have these, trying to get drf classic.
http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=CD&race=12¶m1=4080¶m2=272¶m3=1623276
May 3rd, 2019 at 3:33:44 PM
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I'm just here to brag. Placed a not insignificant 6,13 double (one horse per race) for races 10 and 11 today. Paid $26.40 for 1. Real value here. She, Serengeti Empress, paid 13 to 1 on the win bet and all I had to do is double with a "sure thing" World of Trouble in race 10 (win paid 1-5) to pretty much double the payout. Now I have a large cushion for tomorrow. Gotta love racing.
On a sad note, I won't be able to bet on Limousine Liberal tomorrow, he suffered a career ending injury yesterday.
On a sad note, I won't be able to bet on Limousine Liberal tomorrow, he suffered a career ending injury yesterday.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
May 4th, 2019 at 3:44:17 AM
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Looks like the forecast is for rain today. Race may go to a mudder like Maximum Security.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
May 4th, 2019 at 4:21:58 PM
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I understand and agree that there was a foul. You can't do that. At the same time, did it really affect the outcome of the race? I don't think so. I lost either way, so I'm not arguing it from that POV.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
May 4th, 2019 at 4:48:38 PM
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Cost me about $55. I had $10 to win.
May 4th, 2019 at 8:57:48 PM
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Quote: ahiromuI understand and agree that there was a foul. You can't do that. At the same time, did it really affect the outcome of the race? I don't think so. I lost either way, so I'm not arguing it from that POV.
I believe it absolutely did.
May 6th, 2019 at 3:56:42 PM
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There was a big horse race this past weekend? :)
WOW
War of Will is the most interesting 3yo right now for me out of the race. Tyler G. (jockey on WoW) just needed to wait a couple more strides behind Max Security and the golden rail would have opened up for him down the lane. He had horse left to make a run but he tipped out a little to soon and the decision did not work out. WoW really had the dream trip until the far turn into a slowish pace through 6 furlongs. If you watch the replay (and look at the chart of the race) Code of Honor was gifted the rail after WoW moved outside and Max Security drifted out. Code of Honor shot up the rail opening and actually made the lead in the race (only by a head). WoW could easily have been the winner, maybe... We will never know and the race is over. IMHO, I believe the Stewards made the correct call to DQ Max Security.
In watching the coverage and reading various articles on the race I have a couple of things to point out:
-Maximum Security was not the betting favorite, Improbable was.
-Maximum Security did not lead all the way around the track.
-Why do people say he was "much the best" or "clearly the best" when he actually impeded the nearest 3/4 runners to his outside on the far turn? (BTW, Max Security also bumped Code of Honor on the rail after Saez tried to correct course.
-I was shocked M. Casse and Tyler G. decided not to lodge an objection after the race. But 2 other jockeys did.
-How about Master Fencer's (Japenese horse) race in the Derby? From last (19th) to 7th (6th after DQ), boy was he really closing fast. Game Winner also was closing quickly from 18th to finish 6th (5th after DQ).
Derby Chart:
http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEmb.cfm?track=CD&raceDate=05/04/2019&cy=USA&rn=12
On to the Preakness.
Casse said WoW will be pointed towards the Preakness. He likely needed the race to build upon after a poor race in the LA Derby and the longish break between races. Country House may not even be the favorite in the Preakness, depending on who actually gets entered.
WOW
War of Will is the most interesting 3yo right now for me out of the race. Tyler G. (jockey on WoW) just needed to wait a couple more strides behind Max Security and the golden rail would have opened up for him down the lane. He had horse left to make a run but he tipped out a little to soon and the decision did not work out. WoW really had the dream trip until the far turn into a slowish pace through 6 furlongs. If you watch the replay (and look at the chart of the race) Code of Honor was gifted the rail after WoW moved outside and Max Security drifted out. Code of Honor shot up the rail opening and actually made the lead in the race (only by a head). WoW could easily have been the winner, maybe... We will never know and the race is over. IMHO, I believe the Stewards made the correct call to DQ Max Security.
In watching the coverage and reading various articles on the race I have a couple of things to point out:
-Maximum Security was not the betting favorite, Improbable was.
-Maximum Security did not lead all the way around the track.
-Why do people say he was "much the best" or "clearly the best" when he actually impeded the nearest 3/4 runners to his outside on the far turn? (BTW, Max Security also bumped Code of Honor on the rail after Saez tried to correct course.
-I was shocked M. Casse and Tyler G. decided not to lodge an objection after the race. But 2 other jockeys did.
-How about Master Fencer's (Japenese horse) race in the Derby? From last (19th) to 7th (6th after DQ), boy was he really closing fast. Game Winner also was closing quickly from 18th to finish 6th (5th after DQ).
Derby Chart:
http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEmb.cfm?track=CD&raceDate=05/04/2019&cy=USA&rn=12
On to the Preakness.
Casse said WoW will be pointed towards the Preakness. He likely needed the race to build upon after a poor race in the LA Derby and the longish break between races. Country House may not even be the favorite in the Preakness, depending on who actually gets entered.
May 6th, 2019 at 5:04:04 PM
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All very good points. You and I are on the same page with all of this.
May 6th, 2019 at 7:12:25 PM
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I am going to Lone Star Park with a group of friends for Preakness day...but not very excited about the race right now. Will see if that changes as we get closer.
May 6th, 2019 at 7:19:07 PM
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Beyer has a piece about the Derby DQ:
"The Kentucky Derby decision was a bad one"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/the-kentucky-derby-decision-was-a-bad-one-country-house-never-had-a-chance-of-winning/2019/05/06/59a584b4-701c-11e9-8be0-ca575670e91c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2419476f9bf9
My simple "summary" - There was a foul but it did not really change the outcome.
I disagree with him. He even admits it might have changed the outcome with this part about WoW:
"Without the trouble, he might have finished fifth. He would not have won."
Finishing 5th or 6th is actually very important. Just look at the payouts to the owners (from the chart above) of the top 5 finishers. And of course there is the Super High 5 wager betting pool (for the top 5 finishers). This year the pool paid 1 ticket:
$1.00 Super High Five (20-13-8-5-16) Paid: $544,185.90 (Pool total: $644,420)
"The Kentucky Derby decision was a bad one"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/the-kentucky-derby-decision-was-a-bad-one-country-house-never-had-a-chance-of-winning/2019/05/06/59a584b4-701c-11e9-8be0-ca575670e91c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2419476f9bf9
My simple "summary" - There was a foul but it did not really change the outcome.
I disagree with him. He even admits it might have changed the outcome with this part about WoW:
"Without the trouble, he might have finished fifth. He would not have won."
Finishing 5th or 6th is actually very important. Just look at the payouts to the owners (from the chart above) of the top 5 finishers. And of course there is the Super High 5 wager betting pool (for the top 5 finishers). This year the pool paid 1 ticket:
$1.00 Super High Five (20-13-8-5-16) Paid: $544,185.90 (Pool total: $644,420)
May 7th, 2019 at 1:36:45 PM
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Country House is out of the Preakness after developing a cough.
http://www.espn.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/26692287/derby-champ-country-house-preakness
No Triple Crown this year, but will Maximum Security's handlers now run him in the Preakness? I would guess no, but we will see.
http://www.espn.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/26692287/derby-champ-country-house-preakness
No Triple Crown this year, but will Maximum Security's handlers now run him in the Preakness? I would guess no, but we will see.
May 7th, 2019 at 1:44:12 PM
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The horses owners are coming off horribly. Saw the guy on tv this morning claiming his horse was the victim.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
May 7th, 2019 at 2:04:46 PM
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Quote: KeeneoneBeyer has a piece about the Derby DQ:
"The Kentucky Derby decision was a bad one"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/the-kentucky-derby-decision-was-a-bad-one-country-house-never-had-a-chance-of-winning/2019/05/06/59a584b4-701c-11e9-8be0-ca575670e91c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2419476f9bf9
My simple "summary" - There was a foul but it did not really change the outcome.
I disagree with him. He even admits it might have changed the outcome with this part about WoW:
"Without the trouble, he might have finished fifth. He would not have won."
Finishing 5th or 6th is actually very important. Just look at the payouts to the owners (from the chart above) of the top 5 finishers. And of course there is the Super High 5 wager betting pool (for the top 5 finishers). This year the pool paid 1 ticket:
$1.00 Super High Five (20-13-8-5-16) Paid: $544,185.90 (Pool total: $644,420)
He says it cost WOW a length. I think that’s extremely low.
May 7th, 2019 at 3:54:12 PM
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Maximum Security's connection's decision not to run in the Preakness, I think, is a bad one.
looks like it was done out of bitterness
if he skips the Belmont too most of the other big races in the rest of the year allow older horses and he'll probably get beat by them
right now, his resume is not strong enough to command the giant stud fees they could command if he won the Preakness and Belmont
big mistake IMO
looks like it was done out of bitterness
if he skips the Belmont too most of the other big races in the rest of the year allow older horses and he'll probably get beat by them
right now, his resume is not strong enough to command the giant stud fees they could command if he won the Preakness and Belmont
big mistake IMO
the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
May 9th, 2019 at 10:44:58 AM
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May 9th, 2019 at 6:50:22 PM
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It would be very intriguing if War Of Will were to win the Preakness next week. Then we may get to see a rematch of the Derby between Maximum Sercurity and WoW in the Belmont Stakes. That would be awesome sauce!
Apparently Maximum Security's handlers have him @ Monmouth now and are pointing toward the Haskell Stakes (July 20th -new date btw). Maybe plans will change...
It is Improbable this hypothetical will occur, but I am Alwaysmining for a Win Win Win.
Early past performances for the Preakness Stakes:
http://www.brisnet.com/edgeped/2019preakness.pdf
Apparently Maximum Security's handlers have him @ Monmouth now and are pointing toward the Haskell Stakes (July 20th -new date btw). Maybe plans will change...
It is Improbable this hypothetical will occur, but I am Alwaysmining for a Win Win Win.
Early past performances for the Preakness Stakes:
http://www.brisnet.com/edgeped/2019preakness.pdf
May 9th, 2019 at 6:56:04 PM
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Alwaysmining will be overbet. I think Improbable takes this.
Put anothertwistafate in your trifecta also.
Edit - and Warriors Charge
Put anothertwistafate in your trifecta also.
Edit - and Warriors Charge
May 13th, 2019 at 7:10:40 PM
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Luis Saez got slapped with a 15 day suspension for his ride in the Derby (he is appealing the decision):
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sports-jockey-suspended/maximum-security-jockey-suspended-15-days-idUSKCN1SJ1VT
I think it is a bit harse, but all the squawking from Max Security's owners and lawyers surely did not help. A lack of taking some/any responsibility for the ride in the Derby (actually blaming War Of Will's jockey) and showing little respect/deference to the Steward's decision also was not likely helpful.
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Preakness post posisiton draw will be Wednesday. Twelve runners are the current estimate for the race.
Improbable, War of Will, Alwaysmining, Bourbon War, Owendale, Anothertwistafate, Win Win Win, Warriors's Charge, Signalman, Laughing Fox, Bodexpress, Market King
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sports-jockey-suspended/maximum-security-jockey-suspended-15-days-idUSKCN1SJ1VT
I think it is a bit harse, but all the squawking from Max Security's owners and lawyers surely did not help. A lack of taking some/any responsibility for the ride in the Derby (actually blaming War Of Will's jockey) and showing little respect/deference to the Steward's decision also was not likely helpful.
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Preakness post posisiton draw will be Wednesday. Twelve runners are the current estimate for the race.
Improbable, War of Will, Alwaysmining, Bourbon War, Owendale, Anothertwistafate, Win Win Win, Warriors's Charge, Signalman, Laughing Fox, Bodexpress, Market King
May 15th, 2019 at 4:58:10 PM
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Preakness draw is done. You can see the odds, posts, and past performances here (Click on Improbable's Ultimate pps):
http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=PIM&race=13¶m1=4745¶m2=1314¶m3=2099760
Certainly has the look of a great betting race. Speedsters, pressers, and closers to choose from. I am sticking with the best 3yo IMO, War of Will. The 1 post is fine for this race. Hopefully he sits off the pace and pounces late down the stretch. He needed the Derby and hopefully he is fit and ready to roll. After him I just do not know right now. 4/1 would be great if it stays that high on Saturday.
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In other news, The West's have filed a Federal Court case. I guess we will see where it goes...
https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11318611/case.pdf
http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=PIM&race=13¶m1=4745¶m2=1314¶m3=2099760
Certainly has the look of a great betting race. Speedsters, pressers, and closers to choose from. I am sticking with the best 3yo IMO, War of Will. The 1 post is fine for this race. Hopefully he sits off the pace and pounces late down the stretch. He needed the Derby and hopefully he is fit and ready to roll. After him I just do not know right now. 4/1 would be great if it stays that high on Saturday.
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In other news, The West's have filed a Federal Court case. I guess we will see where it goes...
https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11318611/case.pdf
May 17th, 2019 at 3:52:07 PM
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Working link for Preakness pps:
http://www.brisnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Preakness19.pdf
GLTA
http://www.brisnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Preakness19.pdf
GLTA
May 17th, 2019 at 5:24:30 PM
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very weak crop of 3 yr olds this year, both male and female......because I have to, 12/4/2
get second you pig
May 18th, 2019 at 9:41:41 AM
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edit to 13/4/2
get second you pig
May 18th, 2019 at 9:54:27 AM
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Quote: ontariodealervery weak crop of 3 yr olds this year, both male and female......because I have to, 12/4/2
Weak doesn't mean uncompetitive. This has the makings of a very exciting race.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
May 18th, 2019 at 4:36:45 PM
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Quote: KeeneoneI am sticking with the best 3yo IMO, War of Will.
nice call K
it would be great if Country House, War of Will and Maximus Security all showed up for the Belmont
but I doubt it will happen
the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
May 18th, 2019 at 4:49:01 PM
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I missed War of Will. Could not get there and could not get my friend to bet for me.
War had the perfect trip today. Doubt War will get that next time.
War had the perfect trip today. Doubt War will get that next time.
May 18th, 2019 at 5:06:50 PM
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Broke even on Preakness.
My #1 pick went too fast but still held fourth somehow.
$10 to win on War of Will paid for the losses.
My #1 pick went too fast but still held fourth somehow.
$10 to win on War of Will paid for the losses.
May 19th, 2019 at 2:03:44 AM
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pretty funny article - actually what happened is not that uncommon but once in a blue moon fans had never seen it before
Bode's fans lit up Twitter with their praise of him
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/19/run-free-bodexpress-peoples-champion-preakness/?utm_term=.a07e9e010808
Bode's fans lit up Twitter with their praise of him
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/19/run-free-bodexpress-peoples-champion-preakness/?utm_term=.a07e9e010808
the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
May 19th, 2019 at 8:49:37 AM
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Raise your hand if you used Bodexpress in all your exactas, trifectas and superfectas
May 19th, 2019 at 10:32:06 AM
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I had him 3rd in my tri. Only cost me $2.50.
I think he should have been declared a non starter.
I think he should have been declared a non starter.
May 19th, 2019 at 3:47:31 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleI had him 3rd in my tri. Only cost me $2.50.
I think he should have been declared a non starter.
Code of Maryland Regulations 09.10.01.02 (26):
"A horse is a "starter" when the stall doors of the starting gate open in front of the horse at the time the starter dispatches the field."
May 19th, 2019 at 3:50:27 PM
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I find that hard to believe. An assistant starter can just hold a horse for 5 seconds and it wouldn’t matter?
May 19th, 2019 at 4:27:13 PM
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nice one
May 19th, 2019 at 7:13:44 PM
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Quote: arethamorcenice one
Bot was a nice one?
May 19th, 2019 at 7:59:10 PM
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wonder what the odds will be when they enter' bode' in a msw.
get second you pig
May 30th, 2019 at 6:14:38 PM
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Anyone with Belmont PP please?
May 30th, 2019 at 6:22:28 PM
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Quote: speedycrapAnyone with Belmont PP please?
Isn't it a little early? The Belmont is June 8, not June 1. Remember, it's three weeks after the Preakness.
May 31st, 2019 at 4:34:33 PM
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Thanks. I made a mistake.Quote: ThatDonGuyIsn't it a little early? The Belmont is June 8, not June 1. Remember, it's three weeks after the Preakness.
