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September 24th, 2024 at 12:41:20 PM
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one of the fun things to think about Babe Ruth is how he was built
how many great athletes can you name who are built like that_________?
my answer - zero
he reportedly sustained himself largely on hot dogs and beer -
I looked over his record and a couple of years he stole 17 bases
that's kinna hard to imagine
btw - I looked over the records of Ted Williams who did play after integration
Williams had a generally higher slg% (slugging) and a much higher obp% (on base) than Ohtani
Williams had way more RBIs than Ohtani in his best years compared to Ohtani's best years
and one year he batted .406 - the highest BA for Ohtani has been .304
Ohtani's lifetime BA is .280 - Williams is .344
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one of the fun things to think about Babe Ruth is how he was built
how many great athletes can you name who are built like that_________?
my answer - zero
he reportedly sustained himself largely on hot dogs and beer -
I looked over his record and a couple of years he stole 17 bases
that's kinna hard to imagine
btw - I looked over the records of Ted Williams who did play after integration
Williams had a generally higher slg% (slugging) and a much higher obp% (on base) than Ohtani
Williams had way more RBIs than Ohtani in his best years compared to Ohtani's best years
and one year he batted .406 - the highest BA for Ohtani has been .304
Ohtani's lifetime BA is .280 - Williams is .344
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September 24th, 2024 at 1:08:11 PM
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one of the fun things to think about Babe Ruth is how he was built
Babe Ruth was 6'2" and 175 lbs his first few years of baseball. I have no idea when he put on that much weight.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 24th, 2024 at 2:11:22 PM
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Th PAC-12 is suing the Mountain West Conference because their agreement had the PAC-12 paying fees if they poached teams from the Mountain West. The PAC-12 is claiming they should not have to pay the fees because the Mountain West took advantage of the PAC-12's vulnerable position when it signed the contract.
I don't have much of a legal background, but how could that possibly win? To me it just seems like they signed a bad contract, now they are responsible for the fees.
I don't have much of a legal background, but how could that possibly win? To me it just seems like they signed a bad contract, now they are responsible for the fees.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 24th, 2024 at 2:42:00 PM
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You don't win 100% of the cases you don't file.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 24th, 2024 at 2:43:01 PM
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The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 24th, 2024 at 4:42:38 PM
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Caitlin Clark set the NCAA scoring record this season, but for how long?
Juju Watkins became the first freshman in history to score over 900 points last season, finishing with 920, 27.1 per game vs Clark's 26.6 as a freshman.
Clark is a much more efficient outside shooter than Watkins at this point, Juju has excellent ball handling ability and at a height of 6'2 seemingly has her ability to get her shot anywhere she wants on the court utilizing a series of crossovers, hesitation moves and step through's. Freshman season highlights included USC's first elite 8 in 30 years, and scoring a school record 51 points, first women's 50 point game in 14 years, in an upset against #4 Stanford. Stanford scored 58 as a team vs Watkins 51.
Juju Watkins became the first freshman in history to score over 900 points last season, finishing with 920, 27.1 per game vs Clark's 26.6 as a freshman.
Clark is a much more efficient outside shooter than Watkins at this point, Juju has excellent ball handling ability and at a height of 6'2 seemingly has her ability to get her shot anywhere she wants on the court utilizing a series of crossovers, hesitation moves and step through's. Freshman season highlights included USC's first elite 8 in 30 years, and scoring a school record 51 points, first women's 50 point game in 14 years, in an upset against #4 Stanford. Stanford scored 58 as a team vs Watkins 51.
September 24th, 2024 at 6:46:49 PM
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Brett Favre announced today at a Congressional hearing he has Parkinson's. I feel bad for him.
But, how much more evidence do we need that tackle football is unhealthy at any speed?
But, how much more evidence do we need that tackle football is unhealthy at any speed?
September 24th, 2024 at 7:01:55 PM
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Quote: mcallister3200Babe Ruth didn't even have to play against Japanese players.
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What is equally true is that current MLB does not involve the best athletes in America - most of the best athletes are diverted into the NFL and NBA. Imagine if Lebron James or TJ Watt and their colleagues were playing MLB. Major league baseball in Ruth's era involved only white athletes from North America, but they were presumably the best professional athletes of their time. Not so in the Ohtani era.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 25th, 2024 at 3:58:08 AM
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What is equally true is that current MLB does not involve the best athletes in America - most of the best athletes are diverted into the NFL and NBA. Imagine if Lebron James or TJ Watt and their colleagues were playing MLB.
totally 100% disagree
it's a fallacy to think that these skills are easily transferrable from one sport to another
it's been stated, which may not be 100% true, but still - that the hardest thing to do in all of sports is to hit a major league curveball
the very specialized skill sets of pitching and batting are not even remotely similar to the skill sets in other sports
your post is way, way off the mark imo
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 25th, 2024 at 5:47:28 AM
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While I agree that skills don't necessarily translate, Gordon has a point. In Ruth's day, nearly every kid in the US who wanted to go out for team sports would try baseball. Therefore, baseball would have the country's best athletes.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: gordonm888
What is equally true is that current MLB does not involve the best athletes in America - most of the best athletes are diverted into the NFL and NBA. Imagine if Lebron James or TJ Watt and their colleagues were playing MLB.
totally 100% disagree
it's a fallacy to think that these skills are easily transferrable from one sport to another
it's been stated, which may not be 100% true, but still - that the hardest thing to do in all of sports is to hit a major league curveball
the very specialized skill sets of pitching and batting are not even remotely similar to the skill sets in other sports
your post is way, way off the mark imo
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Today, how many kids going out for sports try baseball? Maybe half? Assuming raw baseball skills are distributed evenly throughout the country's athletes, that means that half of the country's athletes who can hit a MBL curveball or who can pitch effectively, will never play the sport.
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
September 25th, 2024 at 6:30:09 AM
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Quote: GenoDRPhBrett Favre announced today at a Congressional hearing he has Parkinson's. I feel bad for him.
But, how much more evidence do we need that tackle football is unhealthy at any speed?
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Quite true. I wonder what the FEWEST injuries in an NFL game will be this year?
That being said, most of our physical activities have some element of risk.
Recent death of triathlete during the swim
Baseball kid hit in chest
Bike racer dies in crash
And SOOPOO, somehow, loses grip on golf club while removing it from bag and it swings and hits shin flush. Felt like leg broke. Golf ball sized hematoma. It still hurts and is (less) swollen a full week later. I’m still going to golf.
Now that I think about it, a colleague got hit in the head by a stray golf shot, got a serious concussion, and had long lasting symptoms.
My point is that the evidence of the risks of (most) sports is or at least should be known. I want none of them banned.
You as a parent can prevent your minor child from participating, of course.
September 25th, 2024 at 7:22:08 AM
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I would guess that at least 90% of professional boxers will end up with some kind of brain damage
America is a free country - you're free to gamble your life away, get drunk every day, burn out your lungs with cigs, and more recently - walk around stoned all day on legalized reefer
or risk damaging your brain in a boxing ring or on a football field
Prohibition was tried with booze - it didn't work out -
it wouldn't work out banning any of these other things either
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I would guess that at least 90% of professional boxers will end up with some kind of brain damage
America is a free country - you're free to gamble your life away, get drunk every day, burn out your lungs with cigs, and more recently - walk around stoned all day on legalized reefer
or risk damaging your brain in a boxing ring or on a football field
Prohibition was tried with booze - it didn't work out -
it wouldn't work out banning any of these other things either
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 25th, 2024 at 11:48:43 AM
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Quote: JoemanWhile I agree that skills don't necessarily translate, Gordon has a point. In Ruth's day, nearly every kid in the US who wanted to go out for team sports would try baseball. Therefore, baseball would have the country's best athletes.Quote: lilredroosterQuote: gordonm888
What is equally true is that current MLB does not involve the best athletes in America - most of the best athletes are diverted into the NFL and NBA. Imagine if Lebron James or TJ Watt and their colleagues were playing MLB.
totally 100% disagree
it's a fallacy to think that these skills are easily transferrable from one sport to another
it's been stated, which may not be 100% true, but still - that the hardest thing to do in all of sports is to hit a major league curveball
the very specialized skill sets of pitching and batting are not even remotely similar to the skill sets in other sports
your post is way, way off the mark imo
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Today, how many kids going out for sports try baseball? Maybe half? Assuming raw baseball skills are distributed evenly throughout the country's athletes, that means that half of the country's athletes who can hit a MBL curveball or who can pitch effectively, will never play the sport.
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When it comes down to "skill" and athleticism, baseball is pretty low on the totem pole. I do agree that hitting major league pitching is very difficult, but the rest of what is required, throwing, catching, and running is pretty basic. Baseball requires almost no cardio-vascular conditioning, feats of extreme strength or intricated physiological skills. It requires thousands of reps, acute hand-eye coordination, and quick reflexes.
One other thing to billryan: The NFL had black athletes early on and was open to all including Jim Thorpe, an American Indian.
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September 25th, 2024 at 12:02:55 PM
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When it comes down to "skill" and athleticism, baseball is pretty low on the totem pole. I do agree that hitting major league pitching is very difficult, but the rest of what is required, THROWING, catching, and running is pretty basic.
throwing is definitely not pretty basic re pitching
that is an extremely high level skill that very few can do very well
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 25th, 2024 at 12:19:52 PM
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Little League is credited as the first youth sports league, but it wasn't formed until 1939. Baseball has been played since the 1860s, but I don't know how many kids played baseball before Little League. My father played stickball, but from what he told me, baseballs, gloves, and bats were uncommon in Brooklyn in the early 1940s.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 26th, 2024 at 5:45:15 AM
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it's crazy
UNLV is 3-0 and their QB Matthew Sluka is red shirting and won't play for the rest of the year
he claims he was promised between $100 and $150K in NIL funds which he has not received
until this happened UNLV had a legit shot at winning its Conference
https://www.startribune.com/unlv-qb-nil-dispute-redshirt-season-matthew-sluka-randy-johnson/601151714
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it's crazy
UNLV is 3-0 and their QB Matthew Sluka is red shirting and won't play for the rest of the year
he claims he was promised between $100 and $150K in NIL funds which he has not received
until this happened UNLV had a legit shot at winning its Conference
https://www.startribune.com/unlv-qb-nil-dispute-redshirt-season-matthew-sluka-randy-johnson/601151714
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 26th, 2024 at 5:48:04 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
it's crazy
UNLV is 3-0 and their QB Matthew Sluka is red shirting and won't play for the rest of the year
he claims he was promised between $100 and $150K in NIL funds which he has not received
until this happened UNLV had a legit shot at winning its Conference
Now a UNLV running back has also decided to quit.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 26th, 2024 at 5:17:00 PM
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An analyst on the Dan Patrick show today said it is likely that Sluka can get between $1 million and $1.5 million from a school next year.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 28th, 2024 at 4:22:17 AM
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the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 28th, 2024 at 4:41:09 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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Actually, I believe the record is held by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who went 20-134. I don't know why people forget about the Spiders, Cy Young played for them and they won multiple National League championships.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 28th, 2024 at 5:06:55 AM
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Quote: DRichQuote: lilredrooster.
the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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Actually, I believe the record is held by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who went 20-134. I don't know why people forget about the Spiders, Cy Young played for them and they won multiple National League championships.
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good point
the article states they made "modern baseball history" - I believe they're referring after the MLB went to 162 games in 1962
but you're right the Spiders record is more impressive especially since they played fewer games
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 29th, 2024 at 1:57:52 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: DRichQuote: lilredrooster.
the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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Actually, I believe the record is held by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who went 20-134. I don't know why people forget about the Spiders, Cy Young played for them and they won multiple National League championships.
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good point
the article states they made "modern baseball history" - I believe they're referring after the MLB went to 162 games in 1962
but you're right the Spiders record is more impressive especially since they played fewer games
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Most Baseball historians start Modern Baseball History with the 1903 season, when the first World Series was played.
September 29th, 2024 at 6:56:17 AM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: lilredroosterQuote: DRichQuote: lilredrooster.
the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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Actually, I believe the record is held by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who went 20-134. I don't know why people forget about the Spiders, Cy Young played for them and they won multiple National League championships.
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good point
the article states they made "modern baseball history" - I believe they're referring after the MLB went to 162 games in 1962
but you're right the Spiders record is more impressive especially since they played fewer games
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Most Baseball historians start Modern Baseball History with the 1903 season, when the first World Series was played.
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Yes and no.
You got the year right, but the reason is wrong. Modern baseball tracks to 1903 because that's the year God chose to gift us the New York Yankees.
Most baseball historians discount 19th Century stats, although the recent decision to include Negro League stats as legit has caused a bit of a backlash.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 29th, 2024 at 7:07:51 AM
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Quote: billryanMost baseball historians discount 19th Century stats, although the recent decision to include Negro League stats as legit has caused a bit of a backlash.
I wasn't aware of that until seeing your post - thanks for that
so, I was able to see Josh Gibson's extremely impressive stats - see link
extremely high slg, ops, obp, rbi and BA (over .400 in 2 years)
they played many fewer games per year than mlb
one year he hit 20 homers in 39 games - about 1 every 2 games on average
also very interesting to see Satchel Paige's stats - see link
he played in both the Negro League and the MLB
and what is most interesting (to me anyway) is this:
for a few of those years (but not all) his ERA was better in the MLB than it was in the Negro League
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gibsojo99.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/paigesa01.shtml
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September 29th, 2024 at 8:54:17 AM
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Paige was in his forties when he pitched in the MLB, so I think it is safe to assume he'd last a bit from his prime.
A problem that is never mentioned when it comes to baseball integration is that many ballplayers had served in the military in WW2 and had some job protections, both morally and legally. The Yankees didn't have a black ballplayer until 1953, but they signed several in 1948. Elston Howard would have made the team but got drafted into the army and the Yankees were in a stretch of around eight titles in nine years. The others they signed just weren't good enough to crack the main roster.
A problem that is never mentioned when it comes to baseball integration is that many ballplayers had served in the military in WW2 and had some job protections, both morally and legally. The Yankees didn't have a black ballplayer until 1953, but they signed several in 1948. Elston Howard would have made the team but got drafted into the army and the Yankees were in a stretch of around eight titles in nine years. The others they signed just weren't good enough to crack the main roster.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 29th, 2024 at 9:29:41 AM
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Willie Mays played one year in the Negro League and batted only .239
his first full year in MLB he batted .274
Roy Campanella played several years in both leagues and in some of those years had a higher BA in the MLB than in the Negro League - see link
Larry Doby also played several years in both leagues and his BA was only slightly higher in the Negro Leagues than in the MLB - see link
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/camparo01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dobyla01.shtml
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Willie Mays played one year in the Negro League and batted only .239
his first full year in MLB he batted .274
Roy Campanella played several years in both leagues and in some of those years had a higher BA in the MLB than in the Negro League - see link
Larry Doby also played several years in both leagues and his BA was only slightly higher in the Negro Leagues than in the MLB - see link
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/camparo01.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dobyla01.shtml
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 29th, 2024 at 10:22:54 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: lilredroosterQuote: DRichQuote: lilredrooster.
the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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link to original post
Actually, I believe the record is held by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who went 20-134. I don't know why people forget about the Spiders, Cy Young played for them and they won multiple National League championships.
link to original post
good point
the article states they made "modern baseball history" - I believe they're referring after the MLB went to 162 games in 1962
but you're right the Spiders record is more impressive especially since they played fewer games
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link to original post
Most Baseball historians start Modern Baseball History with the 1903 season, when the first World Series was played.
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Yes and no.
You got the year right, but the reason is wrong. Modern baseball tracks to 1903 because that's the year God chose to gift us the New York Yankees.
Most baseball historians discount 19th Century stats, although the recent decision to include Negro League stats as legit has caused a bit of a backlash.
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A yes. A new calendar- BYE and YE: Before Yankee Era and Yankee Era!
There might have been a backlash, but nobody is paying any attention to it, and certainly not anyone who matters is backlashing. True fans realize that the Major Leagues were a little less major without black players, and the Negro leagues were in no way minor leagues, compared to the Majors.
September 29th, 2024 at 1:33:34 PM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: lilredroosterQuote: DRichQuote: lilredrooster.
the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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link to original post
Actually, I believe the record is held by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who went 20-134. I don't know why people forget about the Spiders, Cy Young played for them and they won multiple National League championships.
link to original post
good point
the article states they made "modern baseball history" - I believe they're referring after the MLB went to 162 games in 1962
but you're right the Spiders record is more impressive especially since they played fewer games
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link to original post
Most Baseball historians start Modern Baseball History with the 1903 season, when the first World Series was played.
link to original post
Yes and no.
You got the year right, but the reason is wrong. Modern baseball tracks to 1903 because that's the year God chose to gift us the New York Yankees.
Most baseball historians discount 19th Century stats, although the recent decision to include Negro League stats as legit has caused a bit of a backlash.
link to original post
A yes. A new calendar- BYE and YE: Before Yankee Era and Yankee Era!
There might have been a backlash, but nobody is paying any attention to it, and certainly not anyone who matters is backlashing. True fans realize that the Major Leagues were a little less major without black players, and the Negro leagues were in no way minor leagues, compared to the Majors.
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Do you think the 25th man on a Negro league team might have been the 25th on an MLB team? There were some great ballplayers in the Negro Leagues, but the overall talent level didn't match up. Their official seasons were a quarter of the big leagues. In 1941, Ted Williams hit .406, the last .400 hitter in the MLB. He'd have finished fifth or sixth in the NL with a puny .400 average. The stars of that league routinely hit. 400.
In 1947, there were about 500 Negro players playing in the various Negro Leagues. Less than two dozen of them played in the Bigs.
Once the Negro League lost a dozen stars, it could no longer compete and faded away. MLB lost a dozen stars to the Mexican leagues and it was business as usual.
Josh Gibson would have been a star, but he wouldn't bat .490.
Consider this- The Negro leagues were owned by blacks, and employed black ballplayers, coaches, front office people, scouts, etc., All that went away when the Big Leagues poached a few stars. Seventy-five years later, there are less than two American-born blacks per team on the Major League level. baseball has a latino owner, but still no black ones
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 29th, 2024 at 1:54:08 PM
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The Black Yankees were formed in 1931, and were co-owned by the legendary Bill " Bojangles" Robinson. They were one of the top Negro league teams until the league folded after 1947. They played at Yankee Stadium initially, but the attendance didn't justify the expense, so they moved around NY and Long Island. They played one season at what they called Freeport Stadium, but everyone called it Freeport Racetrack. They played one season on the grounds of a state hospital for the insane before settling in an old New Jersey ballpark. They'd only suit up sixteen players for road trips, and at the end of the bench, players at home often performed a non-pay tryout. Outside of a few players who passed through, there was nothing big league about their operation. After fleeing debt collectors, they played their last season in Rochester and won an amazing eight games that season,
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 29th, 2024 at 2:14:21 PM
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the White Sox have broken a record - they have lost 121 games in one season - the record was previously held by the '62 Mets
from the article:
"Chicago started the year 3-22, and in a recent stretch of home games they went 1-28. They slumped through separate losing streaks of 21 games, 14 games, and 12 games. Over the course of the season, the White Sox have been outscored by more than 300 runs."
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https://archive.ph/m1jqB
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link to original post
Actually, I believe the record is held by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who went 20-134. I don't know why people forget about the Spiders, Cy Young played for them and they won multiple National League championships.
link to original post
good point
the article states they made "modern baseball history" - I believe they're referring after the MLB went to 162 games in 1962
but you're right the Spiders record is more impressive especially since they played fewer games
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link to original post
Most Baseball historians start Modern Baseball History with the 1903 season, when the first World Series was played.
link to original post
Yes and no.
You got the year right, but the reason is wrong. Modern baseball tracks to 1903 because that's the year God chose to gift us the New York Yankees.
Most baseball historians discount 19th Century stats, although the recent decision to include Negro League stats as legit has caused a bit of a backlash.
link to original post
A yes. A new calendar- BYE and YE: Before Yankee Era and Yankee Era!
There might have been a backlash, but nobody is paying any attention to it, and certainly not anyone who matters is backlashing. True fans realize that the Major Leagues were a little less major without black players, and the Negro leagues were in no way minor leagues, compared to the Majors.
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Do you think the 25th man on a Negro league team might have been the 25th on an MLB team? There were some great ballplayers in the Negro Leagues, but the overall talent level didn't match up. Their official seasons were a quarter of the big leagues. In 1941, Ted Williams hit .406, the last .400 hitter in the MLB. He'd have finished fifth or sixth in the NL with a puny .400 average. The stars of that league routinely hit. 400.
In 1947, there were about 500 Negro players playing in the various Negro Leagues. Less than two dozen of them played in the Bigs.
Once the Negro League lost a dozen stars, it could no longer compete and faded away. MLB lost a dozen stars to the Mexican leagues and it was business as usual.
Josh Gibson would have been a star, but he wouldn't bat .490.
Consider this- The Negro leagues were owned by blacks, and employed black ballplayers, coaches, front office people, scouts, etc., All that went away when the Big Leagues poached a few stars. Seventy-five years later, there are less than two American-born blacks per team on the Major League level. baseball has a latino owner, but still no black ones
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To avoid discussions that might earn a suspension, I'll say that Negro League players compared favorably to their counterfactual counterparts in the Major Leagues.
As for no Black owners, read up on how Bud Selig screwed Reggie Jackson out of an opportunity to buy the Oakland A's. To avoid discussions that might earn a suspension, I'm not going to comment of why there are no black owners in MLB.
I'd rather talk about Babe Ruth.
September 29th, 2024 at 3:17:08 PM
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The White Sox rallied last week, so while they had more losses than the Mets, they finished with a higher winning percentage—41-121, compared to 40-120. The 62 Mets can rest easy. I watched a few of the Sox games as they approached the record, and they were playing with heart. I expected them to mail it in but they played hard.
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September 29th, 2024 at 3:37:12 PM
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Quote: billryanThe White Sox rallied last week, so while they had more losses than the Mets, they finished with a higher winning percentage—41-121, compared to 40-120. The 62 Mets can rest easy. I watched a few of the Sox games as they approached the record, and they were playing with heart. I expected them to mail it in but they played hard.
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There is never ‘mailing it in’ in baseball by the players. Doesn’t happen. There might be ‘mailing it in’ by ownership.
Each player wants a bigger next contract. And always wants a hit, a lower ERA, more stolen bases, etc.. Ownership may decide not to play the best players, but the players out there want to succeed for their own interests.
How does CWS sell season tickets for next year?
September 29th, 2024 at 4:08:50 PM
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A DRich kind of stat….. Bo Nix leads his team past a WOEFUL Jets team while throwing for 60 yards to Gortland Sutton. And a total of ZERO yards to the rest of the running backs, tight ends, and wide receivers. Not sure if that’s ever been done?
September 29th, 2024 at 4:12:01 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanThe White Sox rallied last week, so while they had more losses than the Mets, they finished with a higher winning percentage—41-121, compared to 40-120. The 62 Mets can rest easy. I watched a few of the Sox games as they approached the record, and they were playing with heart. I expected them to mail it in but they played hard.
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There is never ‘mailing it in’ in baseball by the players. Doesn’t happen. There might be ‘mailing it in’ by ownership.
Each player wants a bigger next contract. And always wants a hit, a lower ERA, more stolen bases, etc.. Ownership may decide not to play the best players, but the players out there want to succeed for their own interests.
How does CWS sell season tickets for next year?
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I'm guessing you didn't watch the Sax—Angels series. The Angels must have given up a dozen runs due to indifference.
Blake Snell chose not to start today, the game wasn't important to him.
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September 30th, 2024 at 4:34:07 AM
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Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels is crushing - and they crushed the favored Cardinals yesterday - 42-14
QB Jayden Daniels has completed at least 85 percent of his passes in two consecutive games. He is the first quarterback in NFL history to have two consecutive games of at least 85 percent or higher completion percentage (minimum 15 attempts in each game).
and his 82.1 completion percentage (87 for 106) on the season is the highest by any player in his first four games, surpassing the previous high of 79.2 set by Tom Brady in 2007
he's also an excellent runner/scrambler - very elusive - looks like he's the total package
the Commanders are atop the NFC east at 3-1
Washington hasn't had a winning record in the first 4 weeks since 2011
DC needs this - a DC NFL team hasn't been really good in a very long time
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Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels is crushing - and they crushed the favored Cardinals yesterday - 42-14
QB Jayden Daniels has completed at least 85 percent of his passes in two consecutive games. He is the first quarterback in NFL history to have two consecutive games of at least 85 percent or higher completion percentage (minimum 15 attempts in each game).
and his 82.1 completion percentage (87 for 106) on the season is the highest by any player in his first four games, surpassing the previous high of 79.2 set by Tom Brady in 2007
he's also an excellent runner/scrambler - very elusive - looks like he's the total package
the Commanders are atop the NFC east at 3-1
Washington hasn't had a winning record in the first 4 weeks since 2011
DC needs this - a DC NFL team hasn't been really good in a very long time
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September 30th, 2024 at 5:28:46 AM
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I just read a headline that Greg Zuerlein missed a game winning kick for the Jets. I had no idea he was still playing. In my mind he has been playing since Tom Dempsey and Don Cockroft back in the 1970's.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 30th, 2024 at 5:57:33 AM
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Quote: billryanPaige was in his forties when he pitched in the MLB, so I think it is safe to assume he'd last a bit from his prime.
EXACTLY________!!!
he was in his 40s in the MLB but he still had some years there with a better ERA than when he was much younger in the Negro League
based on this, although I admit it's limited data - it looks like the hitters he faced in the Negro League were at least as tough as those he faced in MLB
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September 30th, 2024 at 9:37:22 AM
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RIP to nba hall of famer Dikembe Mutombo, passed at 58 from brain cancer, second all time in blocked shots only to Hakeem Olajuwon. Mutombo is most recognized for wagging his finger at opponents after blocking their shot.
Mutombo is known for his humanitarian work outside of basketball, including donating 18.5 million of the 29 million total for a hospital outside his hometown of Kinshasa, Congo.
Mutombo is known for his humanitarian work outside of basketball, including donating 18.5 million of the 29 million total for a hospital outside his hometown of Kinshasa, Congo.
September 30th, 2024 at 12:56:20 PM
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Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanThe White Sox rallied last week, so while they had more losses than the Mets, they finished with a higher winning percentage—41-121, compared to 40-120. The 62 Mets can rest easy. I watched a few of the Sox games as they approached the record, and they were playing with heart. I expected them to mail it in but they played hard.
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There is never ‘mailing it in’ in baseball by the players. Doesn’t happen. There might be ‘mailing it in’ by ownership.
Each player wants a bigger next contract. And always wants a hit, a lower ERA, more stolen bases, etc.. Ownership may decide not to play the best players, but the players out there want to succeed for their own interests.
How does CWS sell season tickets for next year?
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I'm guessing you didn't watch the Sax—Angels series. The Angels must have given up a dozen runs due to indifference.
Blake Snell chose not to start today, the game wasn't important to him.
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A player not playing is protecting his already great stats. My point is those playing always are thinking about their own stats.
Watching Mets game. Particularly upsetting as I have a +800 parlay that at this point just needs Mets to win. Up 6-3. Bottom of the 8th. Inning about to be over…. Ground ball snagged by first baseman Pete Alonso. All he has to do is toss to Edwin Diaz covering first. Except Diaz FORGOT to cover 1st. A major league pitcher forgot to do what a 2nd grader in little league would not forget.
He then can’t find the strike zone. Blah blah blah. It’s now 7-6.
Never underestimate the stupidity of an MLB player, or any professional athlete, really.
As I was typing Lindor hits 2 run homer to take the lead. It is possible Diaz gets the win….
September 30th, 2024 at 1:21:43 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOBottom of the 8th. Inning about to be over…. Ground ball snagged by first baseman Pete Alonso. All he has to do is toss to Edwin Diaz covering first. Except Diaz FORGOT to cover 1st. A major league pitcher forgot to do what a 2nd grader in little league would not forget.
Congrats on your win. I believe most Little League teams coach the second baseman to cover first. Probably because the distance from home to first is much shorter in Little League.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 30th, 2024 at 1:33:51 PM
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Chris Sale was scratched from the second game start.
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September 30th, 2024 at 2:06:34 PM
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Quote: billryanChris Sale was scratched from the second game start.
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That is a big loss for the Braves because if they lose this game they are out of the playoffs. Of course, the Mets don't have any incentive to win this game so they won't be trying too hard.
That was about as good of a baseball game you could have in that scenario. Braves up 3-0. Mets score 6 in the 8th. Braves score 4 in the 8th. Mets hit a two run home run to win in the 9th 8-7.
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At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 30th, 2024 at 3:44:40 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: billryanChris Sale was scratched from the second game start.
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That is a big loss for the Braves because if they lose this game they are out of the playoffs. Of course, the Mets don't have any incentive to win this game so they won't be trying too hard.
That was about as good of a baseball game you could have in that scenario. Braves up 3-0. Mets score 6 in the 8th. Braves score 4 in the 8th. Mets hit a two run home run to win in the 9th 8-7.
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You think Luis Torrens is not trying his hardest to get a hit every time up? You think Lucchesi isn’t trying his hardest to get every batter out? You don’t think Acuna (Mets) isn’t doing his darndest to get a hit in front of his injured brother?
The MANAGER will not be trying his hardest, but each player on the field will be.
September 30th, 2024 at 4:09:11 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: billryanChris Sale was scratched from the second game start.
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That is a big loss for the Braves because if they lose this game they are out of the playoffs. Of course, the Mets don't have any incentive to win this game so they won't be trying too hard.
That was about as good of a baseball game you could have in that scenario. Braves up 3-0. Mets score 6 in the 8th. Braves score 4 in the 8th. Mets hit a two run home run to win in the 9th 8-7.
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You think Luis Torrens is not trying his hardest to get a hit every time up? You think Lucchesi isn’t trying his hardest to get every batter out? You don’t think Acuna (Mets) isn’t doing his darndest to get a hit in front of his injured brother?
The MANAGER will not be trying his hardest, but each player on the field will be.
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Exactly, if the Mets had lost the first game they would have started Severino in the second game. Now, they will save him for game 1 tomorrow.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 30th, 2024 at 4:50:06 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichQuote: billryanChris Sale was scratched from the second game start.
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That is a big loss for the Braves because if they lose this game they are out of the playoffs. Of course, the Mets don't have any incentive to win this game so they won't be trying too hard.
That was about as good of a baseball game you could have in that scenario. Braves up 3-0. Mets score 6 in the 8th. Braves score 4 in the 8th. Mets hit a two run home run to win in the 9th 8-7.
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You think Luis Torrens is not trying his hardest to get a hit every time up? You think Lucchesi isn’t trying his hardest to get every batter out? You don’t think Acuna (Mets) isn’t doing his darndest to get a hit in front of his injured brother?
The MANAGER will not be trying his hardest, but each player on the field will be.
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I don’t think every player tries as hard in a meaningless game than a meaningful game. Some do. Some don’t.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 30th, 2024 at 5:23:24 PM
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Nimmos ground ball double play in the ninth inning was a prime example. There is no way he is out in a game that mattered.
Baseball got very lucky today. It got two extra games that were meaningful.
Imagine if Atlanta had won on Sunday. We'd have had a doubleheader in which the Mets needed to win both, and the Braves had nothing to play for. That could have gotten ugly very quickly.
I was never a Pete Rose fan, but I'm sorry he's dead.
Baseball got very lucky today. It got two extra games that were meaningful.
Imagine if Atlanta had won on Sunday. We'd have had a doubleheader in which the Mets needed to win both, and the Braves had nothing to play for. That could have gotten ugly very quickly.
I was never a Pete Rose fan, but I'm sorry he's dead.
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October 1st, 2024 at 4:30:16 AM
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r.i.p. Pete Rose - (Charlie Hustle) a truly great player who has a checkered legacy who died yesterday
from the article:
"For millions of baseball fans, Rose will be known mainly for a number, 4,256, his total of hits, the most for any player in the history of the game. But he was a deeply compromised champion."
he was banned from the MLB in 1989 for illegal gambling including on baseball - he is also ineligible for the Hall of Fame
Rose later admitted he bet on MLB games but never against his own team
https://archive.ph/007gR#selection-811.0-832.0
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r.i.p. Pete Rose - (Charlie Hustle) a truly great player who has a checkered legacy who died yesterday
from the article:
"For millions of baseball fans, Rose will be known mainly for a number, 4,256, his total of hits, the most for any player in the history of the game. But he was a deeply compromised champion."
he was banned from the MLB in 1989 for illegal gambling including on baseball - he is also ineligible for the Hall of Fame
Rose later admitted he bet on MLB games but never against his own team
https://archive.ph/007gR#selection-811.0-832.0
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
October 1st, 2024 at 11:17:01 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster.
r.i.p. Pete Rose - (Charlie Hustle) a truly great player who has a checkered legacy who died yesterday
from the article:
"For millions of baseball fans, Rose will be known mainly for a number, 4,256, his total of hits, the most for any player in the history of the game. But he was a deeply compromised champion."
he was banned from the MLB in 1989 for illegal gambling including on baseball - he is also ineligible for the Hall of Fame
Rose later admitted he bet on MLB games but never against his own team
https://archive.ph/007gR#selection-811.0-832.0
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I think the most amazing stat about PR. There are only 12 hitters within 1000 hits of his 4256.
October 1st, 2024 at 1:50:53 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: lilredrooster.
r.i.p. Pete Rose - (Charlie Hustle) a truly great player who has a checkered legacy who died yesterday
from the article:
"For millions of baseball fans, Rose will be known mainly for a number, 4,256, his total of hits, the most for any player in the history of the game. But he was a deeply compromised champion."
he was banned from the MLB in 1989 for illegal gambling including on baseball - he is also ineligible for the Hall of Fame
Rose later admitted he bet on MLB games but never against his own team
https://archive.ph/007gR#selection-811.0-832.0
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I think the most amazing stat about PR. There are only 12 hitters within 1000 hits of his 4256.
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I find it surprising that the closest active player is still 2,000 hits behind him.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
October 1st, 2024 at 2:10:02 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOOQuote: lilredrooster.
r.i.p. Pete Rose - (Charlie Hustle) a truly great player who has a checkered legacy who died yesterday
from the article:
"For millions of baseball fans, Rose will be known mainly for a number, 4,256, his total of hits, the most for any player in the history of the game. But he was a deeply compromised champion."
he was banned from the MLB in 1989 for illegal gambling including on baseball - he is also ineligible for the Hall of Fame
Rose later admitted he bet on MLB games but never against his own team
https://archive.ph/007gR#selection-811.0-832.0
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I think the most amazing stat about PR. There are only 12 hitters within 1000 hits of his 4256.
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I find it surprising that the closest active player is still 2,000 hits behind him.
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The game has changed. Players like Rose are all but obsolete. Luis Arraezz has won three straight batting titles but is never mentioned when discussing elite players. He's on his third team in three years. Today, if you don't have pop in your bat, the scouts move on. That's not to say Rose couldn't play in today's leagues; I just don't think he'd get the chance. Teams would rather have an infielder who can hit 25 home runs than one who hits .305.
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