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Quote: gordonm888IMO, best four teams in College FB this year were Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama and Tennessee.
Stetson Bennett is no better than the third best football player on the Georgia team - Brock Bowers and Jalen Carter are the best two.
Bennett was not even the 1st team All-Sec quarterback.
Either was Bryce Young. Are you suggesting H.Hooker is a better QB than BYoung? The "picks" for All Anythings is a beauty contest with the strongest PR pushes getting "picked." Do you really believe that C. Williams is the "best" college football player?
Quote: gordon888The Vol's Hendon Hooker was named SEC Offensive Player of the Year, not Stetson Bennett.
IN the championship game, Georgia's offensive line completely outmatched the TCU defensive line. There was no pressure on Bennett who was throwing to wide-open receivers who were faster, bigger and stronger than the TCU defenders. There was absolutely no TCU defender who could match up with Brock Bowers. You could have substituted any of the 10 best college quarterbacks for Stetson Bennett as Georgia Quarterback and substituted Stetson Bennett for Max Dugan as TCU QB and the game would have pretty much looked the same.
Will the NFL draft Stetson Bennett with one of their first five picks? One of their first 15 picks? Will Bennett at least be drafted by the NFL in the first round? In the 2nd round? In the third round? IMO, the answer to all those questions is No, No, No, No and No. Bennett is a 26 year-old man playing against kids that are 18-22; he was a good QB at the college level who played on a team filled with dominant, elite players. Five years from now he'll be selling cars at a dealership or coaching QBs in college.
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IMO the most flawed assumptions regarding college players is "What kind of a pro will they become?" Your assumptions are nothing more than amateur guesses. Kinds like:
Tom Brady passed over by every team at least six time who ran a blistering 5.28 40 yd dash at the rookie combine and whose "arm strength" apparently did not turn many heads.
Chris Weinke 2000 Heiman -- pro bust
Eric Crouch 2001 Heisman - pro bust
Jason White 2003 Heisman - pro bust
Matt Leinart Heisman - pro bust
Tim Tebow 2007 Heisman - pro bust
R G III 2011 Heisman - pro bust
Marcus Mariota 2014 Heisman - pro bust
There are more, but you get the idea.
You state that Benntt's achievements are almost strictly because of UGA overall player dominance, but he still had to perform on the biggest stages, execute and command the offense, and lead. His coaches watched him practice every day and never wavered in their assessment of his abilities even with J.T. Daniels healthy.
Your comments diminish his skill and accomplishments.
So I will ask you this as it relates to the team surrounding Bennett: Would Tom Brady have won all those Super Bowls playing for Detroit, Atlanta, Houston, or Jacksonville? Would he still be the GOAT qb of all time? My guess, probably not because football is a team game.
tuttigym
The guys can't win. They win they beat up on a bunch of girls. They lose they lost to a bunch of girls.
The WNBA team would be being told, "you can't compete with real men players so here is a very average to below team to try it out on."
Who would want to watch such a game?
Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordonm888Stetson Bennett is no better than the third best football player on the Georgia team - Brock Bowers and Jalen Carter are the best two.
Bennett was not even the 1st team All-Sec quarterback.
Either was Bryce Young. Are you suggesting H.Hooker is a better QB than BYoung? The "picks" for All Anythings is a beauty contest with the strongest PR pushes getting "picked." Do you really believe that C. Williams is the "best" college football player?
I personally think that Bryce Young was the best QB in college football again this year, I don't understand why he was passed over for awards It was like " Btyce won the Heisman trophy last year, his team has been disappointing this year, so take his name out of consideration." That's a shame - he is a fantastic player.
I have heard several commentators say that the prestige of the Heisman Trophy has declined in the last two decades because of the poorly designed way in which the voters are designated -many voters that have a strong allegiance to a particular school or conference and many others that seem to only follow college football in a very casual way. One of my favorite zingers: "O.J. Simpson is still one of the Heismann voters .
Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordon888The Vol's Hendon Hooker was named SEC Offensive Player of the Year, not Stetson Bennett.
IN the championship game, Georgia's offensive line completely outmatched the TCU defensive line. There was no pressure on Bennett who was throwing to wide-open receivers who were faster, bigger and stronger than the TCU defenders. There was absolutely no TCU defender who could match up with Brock Bowers. You could have substituted any of the 10 best college quarterbacks for Stetson Bennett as Georgia Quarterback and substituted Stetson Bennett for Max Dugan as TCU QB and the game would have pretty much looked the same.
Will the NFL draft Stetson Bennett with one of their first five picks? One of their first 15 picks? Will Bennett at least be drafted by the NFL in the first round? In the 2nd round? In the third round? IMO, the answer to all those questions is No, No, No, No and No. Bennett is a 26 year-old man playing against kids that are 18-22; he was a good QB at the college level who played on a team filled with dominant, elite players. Five years from now he'll be selling cars at a dealership or coaching QBs in college.
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IMO the most flawed assumptions regarding college players is "What kind of a pro will they become?" Your assumptions are nothing more than amateur guesses. Kinds like:
Tom Brady passed over by every team at least six time who ran a blistering 5.28 40 yd dash at the rookie combine and whose "arm strength" apparently did not turn many heads.
Chris Weinke 2000 Heiman -- pro bust
Eric Crouch 2001 Heisman - pro bust
Jason White 2003 Heisman - pro bust
Matt Leinart Heisman - pro bust
Tim Tebow 2007 Heisman - pro bust
R G III 2011 Heisman - pro bust
Marcus Mariota 2014 Heisman - pro bust
There are more, but you get the idea.
You state that Bennett's achievements are almost strictly because of UGA overall player dominance, but he still had to perform on the biggest stages, execute and command the offense, and lead. His coaches watched him practice every day and never wavered in their assessment of his abilities even with J.T. Daniels healthy.
Your comments diminish his skill and accomplishments.
So I will ask you this as it relates to the team surrounding Bennett: Would Tom Brady have won all those Super Bowls playing for Detroit, Atlanta, Houston, or Jacksonville? Would he still be the GOAT qb of all time? My guess, probably not because football is a team game.
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My comments were intended to create a context for Stetson Bennett's achievements.
I quote the stuff about the NFL draft, because NFL scouts are sincere about evaluating talent objectively; their livlihoods depend on being right; and because hometown fans are not at all objective when evaluating their local players. I recognize that there have been many NFL draft picks that have turned out to be wrong (latest example is Brock Purdy. Mr Irrelevant). However, in general, first round picks tend to be better players than third-round picks who are better players on average than sixth round picks.
I did post an over/under line from a sportsbook in this thread on Stetson Bennet's draft position; the over/under line was that Bennett would be drafted at #155 in the NFL draft - #155 is late fifth round, I believe. So my statement to that effect was not an "amateur guess." In any case, I'm entitled to my amateur opinions and to post them here. This entire forum is chock full of amateur opinions isn't it?
If Bennett does get a chance to play in the NFL, I expect that his career will be something like R.G. III's career, and for the same reasons. Foot speed is the first talent to deteriorate as a young man gets older and Stetson. like RGIII, depends upon his speed to differentiate himself. Jalen Hurts entered the NFL at 21 and it took him 3 years to become as good as he is now. But after three NFL seasons, Jalen is still 2 years younger than Stetson Bennett. The calendar is Bennett's enemy, IMO.
Quote: gordonm888I think the NFL Pro Bowl Skills competition is a dreadful TV event. Its difficult to watch. Nobody gives a dang who wins any of these competitions, we barely know the identities of who is competing, or what the rules are. I hated the musical performances by the rappers. The producers of thsi dumpster fire should have watched the old "ABC Wide World of Sports" shows to see how to make obscure competitions interesting to a TV audience.
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The Pro Bowl has been unwatchable for generations. The last time I paid attention, Fran Tarkenton was the sideline reporter.
Quote: billryanQuote: gordonm888I think the NFL Pro Bowl Skills competition is a dreadful TV event. Its difficult to watch. Nobody gives a dang who wins any of these competitions, we barely know the identities of who is competing, or what the rules are. I hated the musical performances by the rappers. The producers of thsi dumpster fire should have watched the old "ABC Wide World of Sports" shows to see how to make obscure competitions interesting to a TV audience.
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The Pro Bowl has been unwatchable for generations. The last time I paid attention, Fran Tarkenton was the sideline reporter.
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I agree.
But this year it is the "re-envisioned Pro Bowl." Like someone had this as a vision and deliberately and intentionally came up with this. They must have been on some serious drugs, and saw directly into the center of Hell to conjure up this vision.
One memorable moment was when they interviewed Eli Manning at the end of the flag football game and he literally said "This was a big victory for us, . . . "
Quote: billryanI don't think he wants to play in the NFL. He skipped the Senior Bowl and all the associated workouts that scouts attended, and I don't think he has hired an NFL-approved agent
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The young man needs REST. He has plenty of time to hire an agent. There are hours of tape of his performances, and getting prepared for the combine is something to focus on. He does not need the Senior Bowl to show off his talent.
tuttigym
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I personally think that Bryce Young was the best QB in college football again this year, I don't understand why he was passed over for awards It was like " Btyce won the Heisman trophy last year, his team has been disappointing this year, so take his name out of consideration." That's a shame - he is a fantastic player.
As I posted, "a beauty contest." A kind of "flavor of the week/year. Universities get their PR departments ramped up and make their push. It has been going on for years.
Quote: gordon888Bennett is a 26 year-old man playing against kids that are 18-22; he was a good QB at the college level who played on a team filled with dominant, elite players. Five years from now he'll be selling cars at a dealership or coaching QBs in college.
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Didn't you post something about professional athletes reaching their athletic peaks at around age 27-29? What changed? As far as selling used cars, because of NIL money, the young man is currently a millionaire. I am sure you were being sarcastic, but your apparent lack of faith is a bit disappointing to me.
Quote: tuttigymSo I will ask you this as it relates to the team surrounding Bennett: Would Tom Brady have won all those Super Bowls playing for Detroit, Atlanta, Houston, or Jacksonville? Would he still be the GOAT qb of all time? My guess, probably not because football is a team game.
tuttigym
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You did not comment on this question.
Quote: gordon888My comments were intended to create a context for Stetson Bennett's achievements.
I guess I missed that one. What "context" and what achievements?
You seem to infer that the only reason Bennett did anything was because of his teammates so, that by extension one could infer that Tom Brady's success was only because of his teammates. That is why I inquired above.
Quote: gordon888In any case, I'm entitled to my amateur opinions and to post them here. This entire forum is chock full of amateur opinions isn't it?
Yes you are, and yes it is.
tuttigym
all these crazy ass SB props - the books worked out the lines with computers
maybe fun, but basically sucker bait imho_________agree or no____?
although I'm sure the Wizard can find an edge on a few of them - but how many have that ability or diligence to do that________?
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all these crazy ass SB props - the books worked out the lines with computers
maybe fun, but basically sucker bait imho_________agree or no____?
although I'm sure the Wizard can find an edge on a few of them - but how many have that ability or diligence to do that________?
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Accurate post. The Wiz periodically does find a few with an edge. Most are high house edge bets whichever side you take. The online books have been offering a few +EV offers in the form of odds boosts, no risk (a lie) bets, free bets, etc…. I’ve been accumulating a bunch of these. And let’s not forget the free roll on Gronk to make the 25 yard field goal.
But Joe Blow just making these bets is what keeps the profit margins up for the books…
Quote: mcallister3200You mess with the dawgs, you get bit. Horns down.
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all these crazy ass SB props - the books worked out the lines with computers
maybe fun, but basically sucker bait imho_________agree or no____?
although I'm sure the Wizard can find an edge on a few of them - but how many have that ability or diligence to do that________?
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Completely different subject. I notice you don't use . (periods) in your writings, but use long lines instead. Any reason for this or just a thing you do? Just curious.
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Completely different subject. I notice you don't use . (periods) in your writings, but use long lines instead. Any reason for this or just a thing you do? Just curious.
I like to write in my own style - ignore conventions
literary license - I have granted it to myself
since I don't have an editor or publisher - am not a professional writer - I am able to do this
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: vegas
Completely different subject. I notice you don't use . (periods) in your writings, but use long lines instead. Any reason for this or just a thing you do? Just curious.
I like to write in my own style - ignore conventions
literary license - I have granted it to myself
since I don't have an editor or publisher - am not a professional writer - I am able to do this
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Good enough. Thanks for replying.
Lebron just broke Kareem's scoring record yesterday - he's now got 38,390 points - one of the greatest records in all of sports - the link shows how great he is/was
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https://www.cbssports.com/general/news/oklahoma-high-school-basketball-game-ends-with-score-of-4-2-reigniting-the-states-shot-clock-debate/
I never really thought about the cost of shot clocks but a system that is visible to players on both teams, the coaches, and the public could be more than many small schools can afford.
am not betting props
but I like this guy's analysis and will bet under 51______________glta
https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-betting-here-are-3-reasons-to-consider-an-under-bet-for-the-big-game-160654751.html
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the Tomahawk Chop - which many feel is a disrespectful parody of Native American culture will be on display at the SB
and there will be some protesters
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the Tomahawk Chop - which many feel is a disrespectful parody of Native American culture will be on display at the SB
and there will be some protesters
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Now, days later, nobody cares about the protesters who get to go back to whatever they do when not protesting.
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.Now, days later, nobody cares about the protesters who get to go back to whatever they do when not protesting.
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I protested against the Vietnam War
in 1995 Vietnam estimated the total no. of casualties, civilian and military as more than 3 million
a war that accomplished absolutely nothing
the U.S. had less justification for attacking Vietnam than Putin has for attacking Ukraine
the protests didn't stop the war - although they probably contributed to the U.S. decision to withdraw
sometimes, you just feel you need to make your voice heard
I'm glad I did it
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Quote: billryanSome people don't see the point of doing anything that doesn't benefit themselves. I used to try and engage such people, but it's easier to pity them and drive on.
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I don't see the point of protesting people cheering their football team. If they do not like the "chop" then they should have just rooted for the Eagles. It is just a bunch of people who do not like other people having harmless fun. Maybe someone should tell them how great the relationship between Florida State, where the chop started, and he Seminole Indian Tribe is. Or maybe tell them that they are emulating warriors that they respect?
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: AZDuffman
.Now, days later, nobody cares about the protesters who get to go back to whatever they do when not protesting.
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I protested against the Vietnam War
in 1995 Vietnam estimated the total no. of casualties, civilian and military as more than 3 million
a war that accomplished absolutely nothing
the U.S. had less justification for attacking Vietnam than Putin has for attacking Ukraine
the protests didn't stop the war - although they probably contributed to the U.S. decision to withdraw
sometimes, you just feel you need to make your voice heard
I'm glad I did it
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To be fair the USA did not attack North Vietnam, North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam. For 10,000 days! I agree the war was just something LBJ got us into for little reason, but we did not attack anyone.
All the protesters against the USA in Southeast Asia tend to ignore the number of people the communists sent to camps and killed. They give Stalin and Hitler both a run for their money on numbers of people killed. So I would not say it was for totally no good reason.
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.All the protesters against the USA in Southeast Asia tend to ignore the number of people the communists sent to camps and killed. They give Stalin a run for their money on numbers of people killed.
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not just Stalin - but between 1917 and 1987 the accepted estimate is that the Soviet Union killed between 28 million and 127 million people
many tend to find the figure of 61 million acceptable
no U.S. attack on the Soviets - we all know why
the U.S. thought Vietnam would be easy pickins - they were dead wrong
not going to cheer the U.S. for intervening - I think they did it to show the world how powerful they were - and to try to halt the rise of Communism - remember the fallacious Domino Theory - I don't believe they acted out of humanitarianism
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I would (and do, in my own way -- by muting the broadcast!) protest "The Chop." Not because of any political reasons, but because that incessant, mindless droning just needs to end. Period.Quote: lilredrooster_____________
the Tomahawk Chop - which many feel is a disrespectful parody of Native American culture will be on display at the SB
and there will be some protesters
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True for the Seminole Tribe of Florida. Maybe not so much for the The Seminole Nation of Oklahoma.Quote: AZDuffmanMaybe someone should tell them how great the relationship between Florida State, where the chop started, and he Seminole Indian Tribe is.
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Fun fact: While made up of (mostly) Native American peoples, the Seminole tribe didn't come into existence until nearly two centuries after Columbus arrived in the "New World."
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: AZDuffman
.All the protesters against the USA in Southeast Asia tend to ignore the number of people the communists sent to camps and killed. They give Stalin a run for their money on numbers of people killed.
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not just Stalin - but between 1917 and 1987 the accepted estimate is that the Soviet Union killed between 28 million and 127 million people
many tend to find the figure of 61 million acceptable
no U.S. attack on the Soviets - we all know why
the U.S. thought Vietnam would be easy pickins - they were dead wrong
not going to cheer the U.S. for intervening - I think they did it to show the world how powerful they were - and to try to halt the rise of Communism - remember the fallacious Domino Theory - I don't believe they acted out of humanitarianism
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The domino theory was proven in reverse in 1989. It was proven with fascism in the 1930s. But yes, Vietnam sits where if she fell under a stronger nation said nation could really disrupt the shipping lanes.
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Fun fact: While made up of (mostly) Native American peoples, the Seminole tribe didn't come into existence until nearly two centuries after Columbus arrived in the "New World."
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Lots of tribes likely changed a lot over the centuries. One tribe wipes out another. A tribe splinters into two or more tribes. The Florida Seminoles have shown how to o it right. A smart tribe would license out their name as much as possible, work with some local college as much as possible. Some smart tribe should cozy up to the Chiefs, has to be lots of tie-ins they could do.
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. Some smart tribe should cozy up to the Chiefs, has to be lots of tie-ins they could do.
that will NEVER EVER happen
they're just not as smart as you
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. Some smart tribe should cozy up to the Chiefs, has to be lots of tie-ins they could do.
that will NEVER EVER happen
they're just not as smart as you
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Few are. I remain amazed I have not been abducted to one of those islands for people who know too much so they cannot be allowed in society but are too valuable to just get rid of. Where they let you live in relative comfort but still captivity.
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. Some smart tribe should cozy up to the Chiefs, has to be lots of tie-ins they could do.
that will NEVER EVER happen
they're just not as smart as you
Few are/ I remain amazed I have not been abducted to one of those islands for people who know too much so they cannot be allowed in society but are too valuable to just get rid of. Where they let you live in relative comfort but still captivity.
you're a legend in your own mind___________________ ( ~:/
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. Some smart tribe should cozy up to the Chiefs, has to be lots of tie-ins they could do.
that will NEVER EVER happen
they're just not as smart as you
Few are/ I remain amazed I have not been abducted to one of those islands for people who know too much so they cannot be allowed in society but are too valuable to just get rid of. Where they let you live in relative comfort but still captivity.
you're a legend in your own mind___________________ ( ~:/
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Aren't we all?
DraftKings has already posted odds on the NBA All Star Game to be played this coming Sunday
they set the over/under total at 325.5
I hope nobody was looking forward to seeing tons of great Defense_____________________________(~:\
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DraftKings has already posted odds on the NBA All Star Game to be played this coming Sunday
they set the over/under total at 325.5
I hope nobody was looking forward to seeing tons of great Defense_____________________________(~:\
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The only sport where the all star game resembles an actual game is baseball.
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DraftKings has already posted odds on the NBA All Star Game to be played this coming Sunday
they set the over/under total at 325.5
I hope nobody was looking forward to seeing tons of great Defense_____________________________(~:\
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The only sport where the all star game resembles an actual game is baseball.
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I agree 100%. I also believe it is the only All-Star game where all the players are trying on offense and defense.
Jon Rahm hit the luckiest shot ever? He fanned an iron 40 yards right of the green into a hospitality structure…. It bounced off directly towards the green through heavy rough and settled a few feet from the pin.
New hot female interviewer. Not as hot as Paige Spiranic. Never heard of her before today. Google search notes she was Miss America a few years ago. I wonder if she even plays golf?
. I think it was Kara K Dixon. She does a credible job.Quote: avianrandyWhat was her name? A lot of the hot ladies on tv here do the weather
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incredible dunk by Mac McClung who won the NBA dunk contest at the All Star Game
the dude is only 6'2"
at the highest point it looked like his head was about the same height as the rim
that means he's springing up almost 4 feet off the ground -
he plays in the NBA's minor league - the G league - with the Delaware Blue Coats
he has played in only 4 NBA games
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can you imagine the NBA in 20 years____?
the players keep getting taller and their athleticism keeps getting more and more incredible
in 20 years each team will have 7 or 8 players who can easily get up to the top of the backboard
they really need to raise the rim to 11 feet right now - and they're crazy not to imho
basketball became a sport in 1891 - at that time there were probably very few players who could jump up and touch the rim
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they really need to raise the rim to 11 feet right now - and they're crazy not to imho
I love the idea because I would like to see how players adjust. Obviously they will never do it because NBA is more popular now than ever.
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they really need to raise the rim to 11 feet right now - and they're crazy not to imho
I love the idea because I would like to see how players adjust. Obviously they will never do it because NBA is more popular now than ever.
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If you want height and strength to matter MORE than skill then raise the rim. The lower the field goal percentage the more important rebounding becomes.
