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Quote: SOOPOO
He’s freaking 65 and shot a 63 in the second round….
They always say, "If you can shoot your age you are a good golfer"
In a league that is supposed to be encouraging diversity, they bypassed countless assistants around the league to bring in a former player. In a league where 80% or more of the players are black, they managed to find a white one with no pro coaching experience to take over their franchise.
Quote: billryanThe Indy Colts just hired a man whose only coaching experience is coaching a high school football team to a very mediocre record to be their new HEAD COACH.
In a league that is supposed to be encouraging diversity, they bypassed countless assistants around the league to bring in a former player. In a league where 80% or more of the players are black, they managed to find a white one with no pro coaching experience to take over their franchise.
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Sadly, the Rooney rule does not apply to interim coaches. They will be forced to go through the charade of the Rooney rule if they decide to make him the official head coach.
Quote: billryanThe Indy Colts just hired a man whose only coaching experience is coaching a high school football team to a very mediocre record to be their new HEAD COACH.
In a league that is supposed to be encouraging diversity, they bypassed countless assistants around the league to bring in a former player. In a league where 80% or more of the players are black, they managed to find a white one with no pro coaching experience to take over their franchise.
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The 80% black NFL clearly needs to do more to recruit and retain White, Asian, Hispanic, and Indigenous players who are systematically underrepresented.
Quote: JackSpadeQuote: billryanThe Indy Colts just hired a man whose only coaching experience is coaching a high school football team to a very mediocre record to be their new HEAD COACH.
In a league that is supposed to be encouraging diversity, they bypassed countless assistants around the league to bring in a former player. In a league where 80% or more of the players are black, they managed to find a white one with no pro coaching experience to take over their franchise.
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The 80% black NFL clearly needs to do more to recruit and retain White, Asian, Hispanic, and Indigenous players who are systematically underrepresented.
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In that case every team should be required to have at least 10 placekickers.
Quote: billryanThe Indy Colts just hired a man whose only coaching experience is coaching a high school football team to a very mediocre record to be their new HEAD COACH.
In a league that is supposed to be encouraging diversity, they bypassed countless assistants around the league to bring in a former player. In a league where 80% or more of the players are black, they managed to find a white one with no pro coaching experience to take over their franchise.
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He was always given some credit for running stuff while Peyton Manning was his QB. Like he was some guru at protection schemes, etc…. I have no idea if he’ll be good or bad as a head coach, but his lack of NFL coaching experience wouldn’t worry me one iota. He has been in NFL locker rooms for over a decade, so he knows how NFL coaches work.
As far as the Rooney rule, I take offense that they are not required to interview Jewish candidates, nor Native American candidates, nor transgender candidates.
Quote: billryanThe Indy Colts just hired a man whose only coaching experience is coaching a high school football team to a very mediocre record to be their new HEAD COACH.
In a league that is supposed to be encouraging diversity, they bypassed countless assistants around the league to bring in a former player. In a league where 80% or more of the players are black, they managed to find a white one with no pro coaching experience to take over their franchise.
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Skin color matters why exactly?
Quote: billryanNo coaching experience matters more, and when an NFL team hires a black man with no experience I will be the first to call them out for it.
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Then why did you mention his race at all? Do you think the owner and GM got together and said.. ‘let’s hire a white guy’. or perhaps ‘let’s hire a guy we think will win’?
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanNo coaching experience matters more, and when an NFL team hires a black man with no experience I will be the first to call them out for it.
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Then why did you mention his race at all? Do you think the owner and GM got together and said.. ‘let’s hire a white guy’. or perhaps ‘let’s hire a guy we think will win’?
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Because the NFL has made stupid rules that teams are supposed to follow. Why would they think a guy who couldn't put over a high school program will win? The old boy network, where friends hire friends, is supposed to be history.
Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanNo coaching experience matters more, and when an NFL team hires a black man with no experience I will be the first to call them out for it.
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Then why did you mention his race at all? Do you think the owner and GM got together and said.. ‘let’s hire a white guy’. or perhaps ‘let’s hire a guy we think will win’?
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Because the NFL has made stupid rules that teams are supposed to follow. Why would they think a guy who couldn't put over a high school program will win? The old boy network, where friends hire friends, is supposed to be history.
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But there is no rule for hiring interim coaches. I have no idea if he will be a good coach or not but I admired him as a player from the time he was at North Carolina. I was surprised that he went undrafted.
Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: billryanNo coaching experience matters more, and when an NFL team hires a black man with no experience I will be the first to call them out for it.
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Then why did you mention his race at all? Do you think the owner and GM got together and said.. ‘let’s hire a white guy’. or perhaps ‘let’s hire a guy we think will win’?
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Because the NFL has made stupid rules that teams are supposed to follow. Why would they think a guy who couldn't put over a high school program will win? The old boy network, where friends hire friends, is supposed to be history.
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DRich beat me to the punch. They DID follow the stupid rule, which for interim head coaches is ‘hire who you want to’.
I have worked with many anesthesiologists in training, and when it came time to hire someone my personal observations of them working trumped any outside reputation or letters of recommendation for outside candidates I never once thought of it as me being in ‘an old boys network’. The Colts had first hand experience working with Saturday and obviously liked what they WITNESSED FIRST HAND. That being said, I think they have to interview two Black candidates before they are allowed to take off the interim tag. (It ain’t gonna happen, but) imagine if he wins out, and the Colts win the Super Bowl under Saturday. The NFL would still require those minority candidate interviews!
This past weekend, in their first game under Cadillac Williams, the Auburn team came out fired up, played at a much higher level of quality then they had previously and almost pulled off an upset.
This may not fit into someone's ideological narrative, but college football has no Rooney rules for hiring head coaches or interim head coaches and Auburn is in the state of Alabama. And, now, Cadillac Williams is at least in the conversation for a possible head coach job.
Quote: billryanAre you really comparing the hiring of a team's assistant coach to hiring a guy who last coached two seasons ago on the high school level? Williams has been with the program for years and knows every player. The Indy coach knows the owner.
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No, my post was not intended to one-up your post about the unusual choice for Colt's interim coach and I don't think I compared anything to anything. But there are similarities in that they both lack the usual kinds of credentials to be a head coach at their level. And there was a discussion about the Rooney rule and considering blacks for interim head coach positions. I thought I would mention a current event that supports the notion that many people in sports and life are good people who try to do the right thing even without rules that compel them to go through tokenistic interviews.
By the way, here is Cadillac Williams' full coaching resume.
"Williams served as an offensive graduate assistant at the University of West Georgia in Carrollton, Georgia for the 2016 season. Williams later served as the running backs coach for the newly created IMG White football team at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida
In 2018, Williams became the running backs coach for the Birmingham Iron of the Alliance of American Football. On January 23, 2019, he was hired as Auburn's running backs coach under head coach Gus Malzahn. Auburn fired Malzahn after the 2020 season; new head coach Bryan Harsin retained Williams as running backs coach. On October 31st, 2022, Auburn fired Harsin and named Williams the interim head coach,
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This past weekend, in their first game under Cadillac Williams, the Auburn team came out fired up, played at a much higher level of quality then they had previously and almost pulled off an upset.
So to sum it up. they lost. Just like they did with the previous coach. If we hire Asians to coach, at least they will understand analytics.
I had absolutely no idea that a school called Bellarmine was a division I basketball program.
Quote: DRichBellarmine stuns Louisville as Kenny Payne's debut ends with loss in cross-town matchup
I had absolutely no idea that a school called Bellarmine was a division I basketball program.
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Looking at their roster and their schedule, I'd say they are the Washington Generals of the NCAA. I bet they get lots of homecoming invites.
Quote: DRichBellarmine stuns Louisville as Kenny Payne's debut ends with loss in cross-town matchup
I had absolutely no idea that a school called Bellarmine was a division I basketball program.
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Looking at their roster and their schedule, I'd say they are the Washington Generals of the NCAA. I bet they get lots of homecoming invites.
Quote: DRichBellarmine stuns Louisville as Kenny Payne's debut ends with loss in cross-town matchup
I had absolutely no idea that a school called Bellarmine was a division I basketball program.
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I didn't either. I just recently learned that Incarnate Word is a thing that plays football.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: DRichBellarmine stuns Louisville as Kenny Payne's debut ends with loss in cross-town matchup
I had absolutely no idea that a school called Bellarmine was a division I basketball program.
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I didn't either. I just recently learned that Incarnate Word is a thing that plays football.
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I was familiar with the Cardinals from San Antonio they were 9-1 this year.
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Texas is notorious for underperforming expectations (i.e., being overrated). I'd bet on TCU to outperform once again.
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TCU stays undefeated!
Now the question is...could TCU match up against Georgia or Ohio State for the national championship?
ESPN gave Texas a whopping 73% chance of winning before the start of the game. That's nuts!
Betting on TCU is easy money when you keep getting paid with those odds.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401404114
I've never seen anything like this level of disrespect for a #4 ranked team. Week after week, TCU is still being priced as if it doesn't even belong in the top 25!
The last I saw TCU was 66-1 to win the championship. That may have been before yesterdays game.
Quote: JackSpadeUnbelievably, TCU is an underdog AGAIN next week versus Baylor!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401404114
I've never seen anything like this level of disrespect for a #4 ranked team. Week after week, TCU is still being priced as if it doesn't even belong in the top 25!
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according to covers.com - the only place I could find a line - linked - TCU is a 2 point fave per DraftKings and Caesars
I admit I don't know much about the teams
but TCU is undefeated and has crushed several teams - Oklahoma St. was the only team they beat by less than 7 points
Baylor has lost 4 games
it looks like TCU is a really good bet
https://www.covers.com/sport/football/ncaaf/odds
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I would be less inclined to bet on TCU in the Big 12 championship when they will likely be playing a K-State team out for revenge.
Sorry. I posted this with 30 seconds left by mistake. We might get overtime
Overtime did not disappoint. Great game.
Quote: DRichThe ending of that Bills Vikings game may have been the most exciting ending to an NFL game that I have seen. If you didn't see it, just watch the last two minutes.
Sorry. I posted this with 30 seconds left by mistake. We might get overtime
Overtime did not disappoint. Great game.
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Pretty much every, single, week for a Vikings fan. I turned it off after Cousins failed to get in on 4th down, for informed by family it was in OT. Jefferson with an all time catch on 4th down.
Quote: gordonm888I am so discouraged to hear some sportscasters say that Alabama may be "in the conversation" to make it into the College Football Playoff. That bloated gasbag of a program.
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I really don't see anyway that they make it even if Georgia, Michigan, TCU, and USC lose.
Quote: gordonm888I am so discouraged to hear some sportscasters say that Alabama may be "in the conversation" to make it into the College Football Playoff. That bloated gasbag of a program.
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I would be interested in your definition of "That bloated gasbag of a program." Can you be specific?
tuttigym
Quote: DRichQuote: gordonm888I am so discouraged to hear some sportscasters say that Alabama may be "in the conversation" to make it into the College Football Playoff. That bloated gasbag of a program.
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I really don't see anyway that they make it even if Georgia, Michigan, TCU, and USC lose.
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The powers that be want Bama in, but the Tide has made it pretty tricky. It's going to take a lot of losses and a whole lot of squinting to see them in the picture but until they are dead, they will also be in the background.
I'm hoping Bama and ND meet in a bowl this year.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: gordonm888I am so discouraged to hear some sportscasters say that Alabama may be "in the conversation" to make it into the College Football Playoff. That bloated gasbag of a program.
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I really don't see anyway that they make it even if Georgia, Michigan, TCU, and USC lose.
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The powers that be want Bama in, but the Tide has made it pretty tricky. It's going to take a lot of losses and a whole lot of squinting to see them in the picture but until they are dead, they will also be in the background.
I'm hoping Bama and ND meet in a bowl this year.
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I would rather see 'Bama play Ohio State, but that won't happen as Ohio State will play the Rose Bowl vs. Oregon State. I think Bama will play the University of Clem in the Sugar Bowl.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: gordonm888I am so discouraged to hear some sportscasters say that Alabama may be "in the conversation" to make it into the College Football Playoff. That bloated gasbag of a program.
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I really don't see anyway that they make it even if Georgia, Michigan, TCU, and USC lose.
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The powers that be want Bama in, but the Tide has made it pretty tricky. It's going to take a lot of losses and a whole lot of squinting to see them in the picture but until they are dead, they will also be in the background.
I'm hoping Bama and ND meet in a bowl this year.
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I would rather see 'Bama play Ohio State, but that won't happen as Ohio State will play the Rose Bowl vs. Oregon State. I think Bama will play the University of Clem in the Sugar Bowl.
tuttigym
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No way to know for sure, but still lots of dominoes to fall. LSU would have been in as a two loss team if they beat Georgia, now they are out regardless. I think TCU needs to win its championship game to be in. I think Georgia is in no matter what. What if Michigan loses? What if USC loses?
If all the leading candidates win, this is what I get.
Georgia
Michigan
TCU
USC
5. Ohio St.
6. Alabama.
If TCU and USC lose I can unfortunately see Alabama in.
Quote: billryanA TCU-Georgia Championship seems like a ratings killer, and isn't that what really matters?
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Kind of. But TCU would be a hefty underdog to Michigan. If TCU beats Michigan there would be enough interest in a Georgia TCU game for the networks. I have two different friends…. One a Georgia alum, the other a a Michigan alum. Both have $$$. They have plans to go to ‘the Natty’ if their team makes it.
I’ve watched less and less college football the last few years but I’m probably just completely done with it if Bama gets in with BOTH 2 losses + not making conference championship game.
Quote: mcallister3200ESPN has Alabama 5th at a 14% chance to get in ahead of USC a 12% chance to get in.
I’ve watched less and less college football the last few years but I’m probably just completely done with it if Bama gets in with BOTH 2 losses + not making conference championship game.
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I understand that, but I'd like the best teams in the playoffs, not the teams with the best records. Do you think those teams beat Bama on a neutral field ?
Quote: billryanQuote: mcallister3200ESPN has Alabama 5th at a 14% chance to get in ahead of USC a 12% chance to get in.
I’ve watched less and less college football the last few years but I’m probably just completely done with it if Bama gets in with BOTH 2 losses + not making conference championship game.
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I understand that, but I'd like the best teams in the playoffs, not the teams with the best records. Do you think those teams beat Bama on a neutral field ?
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Bama advocates keep saying that Bama lost two games on the last play of those games.
They never mention that Bama won two games against Texas A&M and Texas on two last minute plays. And that the Texas game involved a horrendous non-call (not calling pass interference on a Bama defender) by the referees which if called would have resulted in a Texas win. The polite term is "a game that Bama was fiortunate to win."
Alabama administrators hound the SEC refs about calling pass interference plays against Bama defenders (Pass interference is a judgment call and Saban coaches his defenders to commit PI if the play is going to result in a TD or a long gain.) Bama administrators harass SEC refs through the SEC office where Bama has a lot of power. This can result in refs being dismissed or used in a minimal way, and SEC refs understand this. IMO, Bama is the closest thing to organized crime in college football. It is well known that there was one particular ref who skewed his calls to Bama -and just by coincidence he was often assigned to Bama games.
And Alabama is going to be missing QB Bryce Young and defensive super-star Will Anderson in post-season play. Anyone think they are one of the 4 best teams without those guys? And without their home-boy refs?
Saban doesn't teach anything about PI that I didn't learn in high school. Of course, you take a penalty to avoid giving up a touchdown. Every kid learns that in Pop Warner.
They are ranked where they are SOLELY based on pre-season expectations and priors, or their resume is no more impressive than Tennessee (who beat them and is rightfully not in consideration.)
Quote: billryanIf Bama was playing those teams on a neutral field, who would be favored?
Saban doesn't teach anything about PI that I didn't learn in high school. Of course, you take a penalty to avoid giving up a touchdown. Every kid learns that in Pop Warner.
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I agree with that thinking. If it is a close decision choose whichever team would be favored in a heads up game between them on a neutral field.
Quote: billryanQuote: mcallister3200ESPN has Alabama 5th at a 14% chance to get in ahead of USC a 12% chance to get in.
I’ve watched less and less college football the last few years but I’m probably just completely done with it if Bama gets in with BOTH 2 losses + not making conference championship game.
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I understand that, but I'd like the best teams in the playoffs, not the teams with the best records. Do you think those teams beat Bama on a neutral field ?
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. To justify putting aside their regular season performance they would have to be clearly better.
And this year, they just aren’t. The defensive talent isn’t what it was. There was a subtle admission by Saban that Alabama just isn’t what it used to be when he started crying about NIL.
