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Quote: lilredroosterabsolute nonsense
did you figure out what a correlated parlay was yet....................(-:}
In general, it's a bad bet. If you want me to explain it to you, you'll have to wait for the podcast.
Quote: redietzIn general, it's a bad bet. If you want me to explain it to you, you'll have to wait for the podcast.
oh, great,
after all these years you finally figured out what it is
and now you're willing to educate everybody about it
what a generous guy you are
we were playing playground basketball in Maryland just outside of DC in the early '70s during the summer - a well known outdoor court that was very competitive - and guess who shows up to play with us two weekends in a row
believe it or not.................Elgin Baylor
Baylor was from DC; Spingarn H.S...............................................................................................that same high school produced Dave Bing
there is absolutely no doubt that Baylor was the greatest player ever to come from DC
Baylor was one of, if not the first, originator of the high flying hanging in the air double pump moves - Dr. J has credited with him for being his inspiration
to give an idea of how great Baylor was:
in the '61/'62 season he was with the Lakers he 𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘦𝘥 𝟑𝟖 points and 𝟏𝟗 rebounds per game
in that same season he had 𝟔𝟏 points against the Celtics in a Championship Series game despite the fact that the Celtics were universally regarded as the best defensive team in the NBA. He was guarded by Tom Sanders who was considered to be one of the NBAs best defensive forwards.
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Quote: lilredrooster
there is absolutely no doubt that Baylor was the greatest player ever to come from DC
What about Kevin Durant? Would think there’s a debate there.
Quote: mcallister3200Quote: lilredrooster
there is absolutely no doubt that Baylor was the greatest player ever to come from DC
What about Kevin Durant? Would think there’s a debate there.
yes, if you want to consider the entire DC metro area - Durant was born in DC
but when he was very young his family moved to and he grew up in P.G. County Maryland which borders DC
and he played his H.S. basketball in Maryland
so, I guess depending on how you look at it, yes, you could make that argumentthe foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
maybe the greatest player who never made it - except on the playgrounds
from the article:
"Part of the Manigault mystique is that he never made it, that he succumbed to the street life that consumed many of his friends in the 1960's. The man Kareem Abdul-Jabbar once called ''the best basketball player his size in the history of New York City''
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/16/sports/a-fallen-king-revisits-his-realm.html
Bounced around and finally had a cup of coffee in the NBA but the spark was gone.
Beaver Smith played center for St Johns at 6-3, and could fly with DR J but never played a game in the NBA.
Quote: billryan
Bounced around and finally had a cup of coffee in the NBA but the spark was gone.
He played more than you think in the NBA. He wasn't very good by that point but he played over 200 games in the NBA over six different years.
I only know and remember him because of his ties to UNLV and Jerry Tarkanian.
I suspect this isn't enough for a winning "system", but just an oddity to consider.
Quote: DRichHe played more than you think in the NBA. He wasn't very good by that point but he played over 200 games in the NBA over six different years.
I only know and remember him because of his ties to UNLV and Jerry Tarkanian.
The weird thing about it was it was Tark ended up leaving UNLV after the investigation into how Daniels was brought to UNLV, yet when Tark was hired to coach in the NBA he brought Daniels in as his starting point guard. When Tark as fired, the new coach sent Daniels to the end of the bench. After that, he never played regularly. After his two seasons in SA, I don't think he started the season on an NBA team. He'd usually get signed mid-season to a ten day contract when injuries forced teams to seek replacement players.
He turned his life around and now runs a very ,very successful AAU program and has a sneaker contract that has made him rich.
this is a great story about DC's legendary playground players and includes a lot about the great Chicken Breast who I mentioned earlier
for anyone who might be interested - the writer is very gifted - it is by far the best story of this kind that I've ever read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1991/08/27/heroes-in-high-tops/79556861-1aea-4ba7-b2f3-1e3451b0f710/
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/yankees-vs-nationals/2020/07/23/630851#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=630851
Go Yanks!
Quote: KeeneoneCame across this story about start time errors in international baseball leading to some big wins. Investigation opened by NV gaming.
https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/29389142/probe-opened-las-vegas-bettors-exploit-error-international-baseball-bets
Quote: DRichInteresting, hopefully some of the bettors have already cashed their tickets.
You were correct. NV Gaming Control allows BetMGM to void unsettled/outstanding wagers.
in case you're wondering a "Kraken" is a mythical sea creature rumored to be seen off the coast of Norway - say whaaaat?
and in news from the NBA - from Yahoo Sports:
"The 7-foot-2 rookie and son of NBA icon Manute Bol, named Bol Bol dropped 16 points, 10 rebounds and six blocks in an 89-82 win over the Washington Wizards. He hit 3-pointers, ran the floor and showed athleticism and handles his late father couldn’t have dreamed of during his 10-year NBA run as a 7-7 shot-blocking specialist."
the refs let him get away with a really blatant palming violation - ridiculous that it wasn't called - maybe the refs are already giving him special superstar consideration
Will any player hit .400 in 2020 regular season? (minimum 186 plate appearances to qualify)
Yes +550
No -700
I did not bet this, but kinda wish I had put a $100 on the yes.
Quote: billryanIt would be horrific if MLB were to recognize the batter as being the first batter to hit .400 in eighty years.
I agree. But should any records be recognized?
What if someone had a 57 game hit streak?
What if someone struck out 11 in a row?
What about no-hitters?
Quote: KeeneoneI agree. But should any records be recognized?
What if someone had a 57 game hit streak?
What if someone struck out 11 in a row?
What about no-hitters?
Individual game records should be fine. I think anything done this season should have a huge asterisk attached to it when it comes to season totals. Im pretty sure I can find numerous cases of a batter hitting .400 over 200 at bats. I'm treating this season as an extended exhibition tour and if the Yankees win the World Series, it will be nice but not on par with the seven I've seen them win.
BTW- Did you see Giancarlo Stanton? The man looks like he has zero body fat. I can't think of the last person I saw that was so lean.
Quote: DRichIf someone hits 74 home runs this season I would count it.
If someone hits 74 home runs this year, I'll quit watching baseball forever.
Even Giancarlo Stanton is only on pace for 60.
Interesting stuff --
Oh that’s super interesting. My site isn’t doing that (I got paid on Yankees yesterday).Quote: redietzI don't know if this has been discussed much here, but many offshores have tweaked their baseball betting. Some have all games as ACTION, as opposed to listed pitchers. Some are refunding all games that do not go nine innings, regardless of official MLB result.
Interesting stuff --
it's also possible or probable that fans will not be allowed to attend games
𝘯𝘰 𝘧𝘢𝘯𝘴?
that seems really, really bizarre
yes, I know that's happening in the NBA and MLB but for the NFL............................Wow.................................strange indeed
if we weren't living it, it would make for a good horror movie
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/24/sports/football/nfl-players-regular-season-start.html
Quote: lilredrooster
𝘯𝘰 𝘧𝘢𝘯𝘴?
Didn't JAX test that the last few years?
Quote: smoothgrh100% of MLB extra inning games with the new rule have ended in the 10th inning!
That is not a bad thing.
How do they decide who starts on second? Next batter or manager's choice?
Quote: lilredroosterthe NFL will begin its season on Sept. 10 with no preseason games
it's also possible or probable that fans will not be allowed to attend games
𝘯𝘰 𝘧𝘢𝘯𝘴?
that seems really, really bizarre
yes, I know that's happening in the NBA and MLB but for the NFL............................Wow.................................strange indeed
if we weren't living it, it would make for a good horror movie
This is essentially just kicking the can down the road a bit. Since the NFL is the last scheduled to start they have the luxury of doing that and seeing how it goes for other sports.
As much as I love and want sports, I still believe this sports experiment has no chance. Players will start getting sick and the players through their unions will start to balk. Baseball isn't the big test because there is naturally some distancing in baseball, although outside the game still poses problems. NBA basketball scheduled to start next week, will be the big test, IMO.
College football has much a much smaller window than the NFL now. They have to make a decision very soon. You already have some conferences cancelling or postponing fall sports. With news like the entire Michigan State football team in quarantine for the next 14 days, the NCAA is going to HAVE to cancel college sports. I mean their concern is SUPPOSED to be for students first.
The NCAA cancelling is going to set off a firestorm with some major programs threatening or trying to break from the NCAA, which will more or less confirm, college football is not about student athletes, it is the NFL minor league system. That discussion is actually long over due.
And last to fall this year will be the NFL. As much as it pains me, it just has to happen that way. :(
Quote: kewlj...... the NCAA is going to HAVE to cancel college sports. I mean their concern is SUPPOSED to be for students first.
NCAA caring about "students first?"
Thanks! I needed that right before I call it a night!
Quote: AZDuffmanNCAA caring about "students first?"
Thanks! I needed that right before I call it a night!
I have to tweak an old Jerry Tarkanian quote here,
"The NCAA is so upset about covid-19 that they put Cleveland State on three years probation."
Quote: smoothgrh100% of MLB extra inning games with the new rule have ended in the 10th inning!
Already 3 for 3 for games ending in the 10th inning (with 2 games still going tonight).
Quote: AZDuffmanThat is not a bad thing.
How do they decide who starts on second? Next batter or manager's choice?
From MLB.com:
The runner placed on second base at the start of each half-inning will be the player in the batting order immediately preceding that half-inning’s leadoff hitter, or a pinch-runner. However, if the player in the batting order immediately preceding that half-inning’s leadoff hitter is the pitcher, the runner placed on second base may be the player preceding the pitcher in the batting order. This rule will not be in place for the postseason.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rule-changes-for-2020
Quote: KeeneoneAlready 3 for 3 for games ending in the 10th inning (with 2 games still going tonight).
From MLB.com:
The runner placed on second base at the start of each half-inning will be the player in the batting order immediately preceding that half-inning’s leadoff hitter, or a pinch-runner. However, if the player in the batting order immediately preceding that half-inning’s leadoff hitter is the pitcher, the runner placed on second base may be the player preceding the pitcher in the batting order. This rule will not be in place for the postseason.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rule-changes-for-2020
I wasn't aware of this rule change. I HATE IT!
I hate everything that goes away from the normal rules of the game. That would be the shootout in hockey. The stupid overtime rules in NCAA football, starting from the opponents 20 yard line. What is next? Settle a tied NBA game with a game of "horse" or foul shooting contest.
Some of these thing flat out take the defense out of the game and some teams build around their defense. It is penalizing teams that put a premium on defense.
Quote: KeeneoneAlready 3 for 3 for games ending in the 10th inning (with 2 games still going tonight).
From MLB.com:
The runner placed on second base at the start of each half-inning will be the player in the batting order immediately preceding that half-inning’s leadoff hitter, or a pinch-runner. However, if the player in the batting order immediately preceding that half-inning’s leadoff hitter is the pitcher, the runner placed on second base may be the player preceding the pitcher in the batting order. This rule will not be in place for the postseason.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rule-changes-for-2020
Thanks. Not that it was life-changing, but I got curious how they would pick.
Quote: kewljI wasn't aware of this rule change. I HATE IT!
I hate everything that goes away from the normal rules of the game. That would be the shootout in hockey. The stupid overtime rules in NCAA football, starting from the opponents 20 yard line. What is next? Settle a tied NBA game with a game of "horse" or foul shooting contest.
Some of these thing flat out take the defense out of the game and some teams build around their defense. It is penalizing teams that put a premium on defense.
The average American fan does not like defense, they just want to see scoring. Blame it on whatever you want, the masses have spoken. In football I prefer a good, defensive chess match to the shootouts we have today. The NFL, however, does not want the business of old guys like me. Add in that it cuts TV revenue and that is it, offense it is.
Quote: AZDuffman
The average American fan does not like defense, they just want to see scoring. Blame it on whatever you want, the masses have spoken. In football I prefer a good, defensive chess match to the shootouts we have today. The NFL, however, does not want the business of old guys like me. Add in that it cuts TV revenue and that is it, offense it is.
It used to be said that "defense wins championships". I guess those days are gone with teams like the Kansas City Chiefs, routinely falling behind by 20, 24, 28 points and still winning and usually still winning easily. Add in the new rules restricting and all but hamstringing defensive players and things aren't going to change anytime soon. I guess in the new NFL a defensive "genius" will be a defensive coach whose team only gives up 30 points per game on average. :(
Can you imagine how it must feel to be a defensive player in the NFL today. Defensive backs can't lay a finger on receivers, but receivers can push off no end. Guys rushing the QB, better hit him between the waist and shoulders, not below and not above and they have to make sure they hit that small target area with another 350 lb man draped all over them trying to block them.
Quote: kewljIt used to be said that "defense wins championships". I guess those days are gone with teams like the Kansas City Chiefs, routinely falling behind by 20, 24, 28 points and still winning and usually still winning easily. Add in the new rules restricting and all but hamstringing defensive players and things aren't going to change anytime soon. I guess in the new NFL a defensive "genius" will be a defensive coach whose team only gives up 30 points per game on average. :(
Can you imagine how it must feel to be a defensive player in the NFL today. Defensive backs can't lay a finger on receivers, but receivers can push off no end. Guys rushing the QB, better hit him between the waist and shoulders, not below and not above and they have to make sure they hit that small target area with another 350 lb man draped all over them trying to block them.
As a once Steeler fan it drives me nuts. Long passes used to be special because they were so rare. Not it is nothing. It is about both getting young people and women. Both groups want more scoring. I was tuned out for about 5 years and would still be if not for sports betting. Just not what it was.
I don't know how you can seriously bet these sports. The entire Michigan State football team is in quarantine right now. Well, what exactly does that mean? They sit around and play video games? They practice? They left weights and watch tape? They take three weeks off as a group? "In quarantine" could mean completely different things to different teams because it's the schools, not the NCAA, deciding what "in quarantine" is.
Now how could you possibly wager a cent on Michigan State?
Sports right now is all anomalous, silly stuff. Kiss every trend out the windows, of course (not that I'm a trendsvestite). The only people who should be betting at all are the team doctors.
You know, I almost launched a future on the Nationals at 25-1 to win the World Series, just because the only other defender I've seen at odds that long was Miami after they stripped the team. But the day of the first game, the Nationals' best bat tests positive, and now Strasburg is hurt, only they decided to keep it under wraps until the day he was supposed to pitch. So glad I didn't do anything with that. More power to you if you're betting anything, but I'll sit tight.
I wonder what the hell "in quarantine" looks like in Boise, Idaho? I always felt like Boise was kind of the definition of "in quarantine."
Quote: kewljI guess in the new NFL a defensive "genius" will be a defensive coach whose team only gives up 30 points per game on average. :
not disputing the point you're making but still, great defenses find a way
last year:
Pats gave up only 14.1 ppg
Bill 16.2
Ravens 17.6
those teams didn't go all the way last year but they did well
Chiefs were just too dominant offensively and no team could match up with them because of Mahomes - 320 lb lineman trying to chase him wasn't going to make it
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense
Quote: mcallister3200There’s an NHL team named The Kraken now. So how do you like dem apples?
I like it
I think its a lot better then say the Washington Nationals or The Washington Football Team
What is a national?
Quote: mcallister3200There’s an NHL team named The Kraken now. So how do you like dem apples?
Can't hear this without thinking of a college professor acquaintance who told some very inappropriate stories to female undergrads, including how when he drops his pants he likes to say "Time to release the Kraken!"
He was fired.
Quote: kewljthe NCAA is going to HAVE to cancel college sports. I mean their concern is SUPPOSED to be for students first.
Trying to win award for most naive post on this thread?
if the NCAA was concerned about student health 'first', there would be NO college football!!!! There are literally THOUSANDS of serious injuries every year associated with the actual games, and thousands more from practice. Torn ligaments, broken bones, dislocations, paralyzing injuries, serious concussions, death from heat stroke, etc... The risk to a college football athlete from COVID-19 is a minute fraction of the 'regular' injuries that will occur in a college football season! Also remember, by not participating in college football, these athletes will still be at risk from contracting COVID-19 just like the rest of the population; their risk does not drop to zero.
Not included in my discussion has been the higher risk participants, like coaches, bus drivers, medical personnel, etc... But to worry about students who play college football.... COVID-19 would be so far down the list it wouldn't make my list. There have been hundreds of reports of this team having 12 test positive, this one with 16... but I have not seen ONE report of a college athlete getting very sick. I think if there was one it would be big news.
Quote: SOOPOOTrying to win award for most naive post on this thread?
I don't get it. Now 2 posters, AZD, and you, SOOPOO have responded to this line in my post and seeming ignored the fact that I not only said "supposed" but capitalized it for emphasis. Hypocrisy was the point.
But in my mind there is a big difference in the examples you gave of broken bones, ligaments, even the possibility of more serious injuries that are part of the risk of athletic competition and knowingly subjecting so called "college kids" to increased risk of this very unknown virus.
There are people that say, those of us that are scared or concerned about this virus, should just stay home locked in our homes. Well no, I am not going to surrender my life and stay home locked up, but I am not going to intentionally put myself at risk either, by let's say, hanging out in overcrowded bars and nightclubs with people smoking, eating, sneezing, coughing drooling all over me either. That is INVITING additional risk, as I believe sports are right now. For the NCAA to ignore heightened risk for "students" who play sports, goes 100% against their own mission statement of protecting "student athletes".
Quote: kewljI don't get it. Now 2 posters, AZD, and you, SOOPOO have responded to this line in my post and seeming ignored the fact that I not only said "supposed" but capitalized it for emphasis. Hypocrisy was the point.
But in my mind there is a big difference in the examples you gave of broken bones, ligaments, even the possibility of more serious injuries that are part of the risk of athletic competition and knowingly subjecting so called "college kids" to increased risk of this very unknown virus.
There are people that say, those of us that are scared or concerned about this virus, should just stay home locked in our homes. Well no, I am not going to surrender my life and stay home locked up, but I am not going to intentionally put myself at risk either, by let's say, hanging out in overcrowded bars and nightclubs with people smoking, eating, sneezing, coughing drooling all over me either. That is INVITING additional risk, as I believe sports are right now. For the NCAA to ignore heightened risk for "students" who play sports, goes 100% against their own mission statement of protecting "student athletes".
You miss my point. The 'heightened risk' for these athletes by playing sports is miniscule. These colleges have been practicing for a while. LOTS of positive tests. I'm waiting for ONE report of a college football player seriously ill because of COVID-19. And then try and figure out if they got it because of exposure in a college weight room or just in their normal lives of banging as many girls as they can.
And frankly, the phrase, 'very unknown virus' is also naive. There is so much data on this virus i want to vomit every time I read a 'new' fact. We know it's structure. We know how unlikely it is for a young person to get seriously ill from it. We know how it is transmitted. We know where it comes from. We know what organ system it generally attacks the few that get seriously ill from it. We know that wearing a mask decreases its community spread. We know that Remdesivir decreases severity and death rate. We know that steroids (dexamethasone) also helps. We know that prone ventilation in the sickest helps. We know that there is extremely rare clotting issues with the sickest patients. We know if you are very old (80+) you have a significant chance (certainly greater than 10%) chance of dying if you get it. We know that there are a half dozen or so companies 'close' to a vaccine. We know that if you are poor you are far more likely to get it than if you are wealthy (probably due to job type). We know HTN and DM make you more likely to die if you get it. I'm getting tired....
The numbers you are giving here are outdated by months in a period when numbers and knowledge change on a daily basis. Back in April, the average age of those dying and getting severely sick was in the late 70's or some cases 80. It no longer is. Today younger people are getting sick and dying, including younger people with no real health issues. Ignoring that is dangerous.
And let's talk about college "kids". 20-somethings are now getting sick and dying, which was non-existent a few months ago. And even if they are fortunate enough to only get a mild case and be over it in a week, they can then infect, their parents, grandparents, family members, older professors at college and support staff at college. I mean you want to talk about screwing up a college "kid", how is he or she going to feel when they contract the virus, survive a mild case and take it home to their mother or grandfather who dies?
And for what? in the name of money (college athletics). Look there are some activities, bars, restaurants, casinos, concerts, SPORTS, that we should not be engaging in until we have a vaccine. To just pretend everything is normal and go about our lives is foolish.
Quote: SOOPOO
And frankly, the phrase, 'very unknown virus' is also naive. There is so much data on this virus i want to vomit every time I read a 'new' fact.
Talk about naive.
We dont know the long term effects and many are experiencing long term effects.
Quote: terapinedTalk about naive.
We dont know the long term effects and many are experiencing long term effects.
Exactly.
No long term data. Can't pin down long term effects. Impossible.
In addition, we don't even know to what the degree someone who has had it can get it again.
Quote: terapinedTalk about naive.
We dont know the long term effects and many are experiencing long term effects.
I know many of the long term effects. If you get one of the really bad near fatal cases that require you to be on a ventilator for weeks you are likely to have some level of pulmonary damage. There are a few with extreme weakness that seems to take extremely long to recover, and some have not even fully recovered after months. Very rare cardiac muscle dysfunction. You use the word 'many'. In a country of 300+ million, if there are 30 people who experience one of these severe complications, I don't think that really rises to 'many'. I think the really bad COVID-19 complications that linger are really 'few' when you look at the denominator.
And kewlj... there are more cases amongst the 'young' (anyone younger than me!), but the death rate for those under 40 is miniscule. Not zero, I know, but Terapined... if you are calling me naive you could not be more wrong. I am concerned about COVID-19 deaths, and infections... but it is not the most important thing in our society. The long term devastation of our economy and small businesses is important to our society. And even your 'heroes' like Cuomo realize that. The opening up here has definitely increased the likelihood of more cases. But you can only deprive people of their businesses for so long.
