cclub79
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January 7th, 2015 at 5:59:09 PM permalink
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I have seen teams take a knee after scoring a touchdown with no time on the clock and the team ahead by 1 or 2.



This happens often. Central Florida's hail mary win against East Carolina this year.
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However, you did say that there would be one or two seconds left, and while I have never seen it happen, there is a case where this would be a smart move; when the team is ahead by 9 or 10. The other team is not going to score two touchdowns in one or two seconds, barring a freak series of penalties that extends the game with untimed downs, and by taking a knee, you don't risk the opponents scoring and then being behind by only 7 or 8, and your team kicking off.
With a 1-point lead and seconds remaining, you almost certainly go for 2, since a 2-point lead is no better than a 1-point lead. Taking a knee, or even going for 1, opens the door for a kicking-team penalty (e.g. clipping) on the return that puts the other team in field goal range with one play added to the end of the game.



Here's the one I see every couple of weeks that I don't understand. Team is down one point on defense, no timeouts left, ball in red zone, less than 2 minutes. The offense gets a first down and then the defense TACKLES the guy. Now the offense can run out the clock and you lose by 1. If I was a DC, the first thing I'd tell my guys when down one point: "If they get that first down under 2 minutes, you LET THEM SCORE!" They'll only go up 8, and we'll have the ball with a chance to tie. Stopping them is a 0% of a win, letting them score is probably a 5% chance at a win.

This blunder happened at the end of the Jets/Pats game in Week 16. Check out the list of plays and you'll see what I mean. If the Jets didn't make that tackle at 1:55, Brady couldn't have taken 3 kneel-downs and won the game. (Likely they would have lost by 8 anyway, but who knows, maybe Geno of Week 17 would have come early...)
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January 7th, 2015 at 6:56:36 PM permalink
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Here's the one I see every couple of weeks that I don't understand. Team is down one point on defense, no timeouts left, ball in red zone, less than 2 minutes. The offense gets a first down and then the defense TACKLES the guy. Now the offense can run out the clock and you lose by 1. If I was a DC, the first thing I'd tell my guys when down one point: "If they get that first down under 2 minutes, you LET THEM SCORE!" They'll only go up 8, and we'll have the ball with a chance to tie. Stopping them is a 0% of a win, letting them score is probably a 5% chance at a win.



1.) Tackling is instinctive.
2.) The tackle could force a fumble, and a recovery could enable the team to WIN if they score.
3.) If you do not allow the TD and get the ball back, a Field Goal WINS the game rather than needing a TD + 2PT Conversion to tie.
4.) An offensive player on his toes would know NOT to score, and would kneel, slide or run out of bounds.
5.) An offensive player REALLY playing on his toes and cognizant of what the defense was doing would just parade around more-or-less laterally and burn clock.

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This blunder happened at the end of the Jets/Pats game in Week 16. Check out the list of plays and you'll see what I mean. If the Jets didn't make that tackle at 1:55, Brady couldn't have taken 3 kneel-downs and won the game. (Likely they would have lost by 8 anyway, but who knows, maybe Geno of Week 17 would have come early...)



Bolden should be smart enough to step out on his own, even without being pushed. Might have done it inside the five.
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January 7th, 2015 at 7:01:59 PM permalink
I agree with Mission's point #4 and have seen that happen.
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January 7th, 2015 at 7:03:47 PM permalink
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Do you think they'll have a Line as to whether or not Katy Perry will have a, "Wardrobe Malfunction?" Granted, that's only happened once, but there have only been a handful of Super Bowls which have featured a performer for which such a malfunction was a reasonable possibility.




I'd pay for that so I don't know if that's a good bet....
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Mission146
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January 7th, 2015 at 7:06:24 PM permalink
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I'd pay for that so I don't know if that's a good bet....



I was originally going to add:

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I'd be pulling for the, 'Yes.' side to come in. Wouldn't have any money on it, though.

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January 7th, 2015 at 8:07:17 PM permalink
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I don't think being up by nine+ and automatically letting the other team score with time expiring has ever happened.


I have seen it happen. In fact, I have seen it happen where, while the result of the game itself did not change, the result against the point spread did.

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I agree with Mission's point #4 and have seen that happen.


I have also seen #5 happen.

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Do you think they'll have a Line as to whether or not Katy Perry will have a, "Wardrobe Malfunction?"


The problem with this is, they would have to define what "wardrobe malfunction" was. If it's "up to our interpretation," then there's plenty of room for shenanigans.
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January 7th, 2015 at 8:45:20 PM permalink
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The problem with this is, they would have to define what "wardrobe malfunction" was. If it's "up to our interpretation," then there's plenty of room for shenanigans.



I don't know if there's a politically correct enough way for the sportsbooks to do that. I would say that either a nipple or an orifice we wouldn't normally see would have to make an appearance.
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January 7th, 2015 at 9:42:15 PM permalink
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I would say that either a nipple or an orifice we wouldn't normally see would have to make an appearance.



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January 7th, 2015 at 10:55:16 PM permalink
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This happens often. Central Florida's hail mary win against East Carolina this year.


Here's the one I see every couple of weeks that I don't understand. Team is down one point on defense, no timeouts left, ball in red zone, less than 2 minutes. The offense gets a first down and then the defense TACKLES the guy. Now the offense can run out the clock and you lose by 1. If I was a DC, the first thing I'd tell my guys when down one point: "If they get that first down under 2 minutes, you LET THEM SCORE!" They'll only go up 8, and we'll have the ball with a chance to tie. Stopping them is a 0% of a win, letting them score is probably a 5% chance at a win.



One of the Eagles RBs has done that before... gave himself up at the one yard line to run the clock out. No need to dodge around, get the 1st down, give yourself up in bounds, and the clock keeps running. You'll see defenders do it as well when they take INTs in the final seconds. Go to ground, and not be a hero.

You'll see punters do this on intentional safeties, dance around to burn off valuable seconds. I -think- in the past one QB at the opponents 20 has taken the snap and sprinted backwards to midfield, to burn up time and give his line space to block for long as possible, with the added benefit that from a broken play like that he might see an oppurtunity to get the ball to his outlet running back, who can then burn more time before giving himself up.
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ThatDonGuy
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January 8th, 2015 at 8:06:16 AM permalink
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One of the Eagles RBs has done that before... gave himself up at the one yard line to run the clock out. No need to dodge around, get the 1st down, give yourself up in bounds, and the clock keeps running. You'll see defenders do it as well when they take INTs in the final seconds. Go to ground, and not be a hero.


The 49ers learned this lesson the hard way a few years ago - late in a game (I want to say against the Steelers, but I'm not sure), a 49ers player intercepted a pass, and all he had to do was to take a knee and they could have run out the clock and won, but he thought he could make it into the end zone, ended up having the ball stripped and going back to the other team, which eventually won the game. I remember a game before that where a Raiders player was in the same situation, except that he scored his Pick Six, and while the other team came right back and scored, they couldn't recover an onside kick and the Raiders ended up winning anyway.

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I -think- in the past one QB at the opponents 20 has taken the snap and sprinted backwards to midfield, to burn up time and give his line space to block for long as possible, with the added benefit that from a broken play like that he might see an oppurtunity to get the ball to his outlet running back, who can then burn more time before giving himself up.


Pardon me for stretching this thread tangent out slightly further, but there was a high school state tournament game a few years back where a heavy underdog led by 7 with (I think) about 5 seconds remaining and fourth down near midfield; the QB took the snap, ran into his own end zone - and, thinking that it was a safety and his team had won, tossed the ball into the air, where an opponent caught it for a touchdown; the favorites ended up winning in OT.

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