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January 7th, 2015 at 1:27:32 PM permalink
I figure the big game caises more unconventional plays and mishaps, so maybe there is a factor in safeties happening more often. I don't have the numbers to back it up but have seen wacky things only during the Superbowl games.

Also are there any great prop bets not having anything to do with the outcome of the game (such as weather, length of national anthem, whether or not bands will sing their hits in a certain order, etc?)
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January 7th, 2015 at 1:37:27 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

College should probably ban the defensive scores like the nfl does.



I disagree. I am still waiting for the caoch smart enough to take a knee instead of kicking extra point or trying 2 point conversion when up by one with a second or two to go in the game....
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January 7th, 2015 at 1:43:28 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I disagree. I am still waiting for the caoch smart enough to take a knee instead of kicking extra point or trying 2 point conversion when up by one with a second or two to go in the game....



Would be a horrible move. The clock does not run on a conversion.
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January 7th, 2015 at 1:43:56 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Also are there any great prop bets not having anything to do with the outcome of the game (such as weather, length of national anthem, whether or not bands will sing their hits in a certain order, etc?)



Bovada always has lots of them. I would expect one this year on whether Katie Perry sprays whip cream from her bra during the halftime show.

A controversial one, that was discussed here, was on whether or not Madonna would wear fishnet stockings. She actually wore fishnet pantyhose. How do you grade that one?
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January 7th, 2015 at 3:08:20 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I disagree. I am still waiting for the caoch smart enough to take a knee instead of kicking extra point or trying 2 point conversion when up by one with a second or two to go in the game....


I have seen teams take a knee after scoring a touchdown with no time on the clock and the team ahead by 1 or 2. In fact, the only time when they are even allowed to have an extra point with no time remaining in the fourth quarter is if neither team is ahead by 3 or more; this is why they did not have one at the end of the 2013 Iron Bowl.

In one case that I can remember, the team scored with no time left, ran into the locker room to celebrate, had to bring 11 back out onto the field for the extra point (since the defense could still tie/win), and took a knee.


However, you did say that there would be one or two seconds left, and while I have never seen it happen, there is a case where this would be a smart move; when the team is ahead by 9 or 10. The other team is not going to score two touchdowns in one or two seconds, barring a freak series of penalties that extends the game with untimed downs, and by taking a knee, you don't risk the opponents scoring and then being behind by only 7 or 8, and your team kicking off.
With a 1-point lead and seconds remaining, you almost certainly go for 2, since a 2-point lead is no better than a 1-point lead. Taking a knee, or even going for 1, opens the door for a kicking-team penalty (e.g. clipping) on the return that puts the other team in field goal range with one play added to the end of the game.
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January 7th, 2015 at 4:40:29 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I have seen teams take a knee after scoring a touchdown with no time on the clock and the team ahead by 1 or 2. In fact, the only time when they are even allowed to have an extra point with no time remaining in the fourth quarter is if neither team is ahead by 3 or more; this is why they did not have one at the end of the 2013 Iron Bowl.

In one case that I can remember, the team scored with no time left, ran into the locker room to celebrate, had to bring 11 back out onto the field for the extra point (since the defense could still tie/win), and took a knee.


However, you did say that there would be one or two seconds left, and while I have never seen it happen, there is a case where this would be a smart move; when the team is ahead by 9 or 10. The other team is not going to score two touchdowns in one or two seconds, barring a freak series of penalties that extends the game with untimed downs, and by taking a knee, you don't risk the opponents scoring and then being behind by only 7 or 8, and your team kicking off.
With a 1-point lead and seconds remaining, you almost certainly go for 2, since a 2-point lead is no better than a 1-point lead. Taking a knee, or even going for 1, opens the door for a kicking-team penalty (e.g. clipping) on the return that puts the other team in field goal range with one play added to the end of the game.



Actually, now that you mention it, if you're ahead by 9+ points, the best play is to stand there and watch the other team score a touchdown + 2 point conversion uncontested.

Even though a freak series of penalties is highly unlikely, watching them get 8 points still guarantees you a win.
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January 7th, 2015 at 5:09:46 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Actually, now that you mention it, if you're ahead by 9+ points, the best play is to stand there and watch the other team score a touchdown + 2 point conversion uncontested.

Even though a freak series of penalties is highly unlikely, watching them get 8 points still guarantees you a win.



Didn't that happen a few Super Bowls ago? Patriots v Giants.
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January 7th, 2015 at 5:34:44 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Didn't that happen a few Super Bowls ago? Patriots v Giants.



No, the Patriots voluntarily relinquished the lead there.

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With the Patriots down to their last timeout and ahead by two points, 17–15, the possibility existed that the Giants would run a play to stop short of the goal line, which would have forced the Patriots to use that timeout to stop the clock on any of the last two plays. The Giants could run the clock down, allow Tynes—who had not missed under 30 yards in four years—to kick a winning field goal, and give the Patriots only about 20 seconds of play left to score again. This also meant that the Patriots could call a defensive play where they would purposely allow the Giants to score a touchdown, which despite giving up the lead would allow the Patriots to get the ball back without the timeout and with more time remaining. New England chose to let New York score, opening its defense to let Bradshaw enter the end zone with the ball. In what Sports Illustrated later called "perhaps the strangest play in Super Bowl history", Bradshaw attempted to stop on the 1-yard line upon realizing what the Patriots were doing, but his forward momentum caused him to fall into the end zone for a touchdown.[71][72][73] The intentionally surrendered touchdown gave the Patriots 57 seconds to score again, and they went into their final drive trailing by a 21–17 count after the Giants failed to convert a two-point play.[74]



I don't think being up by nine+ and automatically letting the other team score with time expiring has ever happened.
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January 7th, 2015 at 5:37:15 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Bovada always has lots of them. I would expect one this year on whether Katie Perry sprays whip cream from her bra during the halftime show.

A controversial one, that was discussed here, was on whether or not Madonna would wear fishnet stockings. She actually wore fishnet pantyhose. How do you grade that one?



I'd say that would count, if they'd have worded the prop, "Fishnet leggings," wouldn't either qualify?

Do you think they'll have a Line as to whether or not Katy Perry will have a, "Wardrobe Malfunction?" Granted, that's only happened once, but there have only been a handful of Super Bowls which have featured a performer for which such a malfunction was a reasonable possibility.
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January 7th, 2015 at 5:56:32 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I have seen teams take a knee after scoring a touchdown with no time on the clock and the team ahead by 1 or 2. In fact, the only time when they are even allowed to have an extra point with no time remaining in the fourth quarter is if neither team is ahead by 3 or more; this is why they did not have one at the end of the 2013 Iron Bowl.

In one case that I can remember, the team scored with no time left, ran into the locker room to celebrate, had to bring 11 back out onto the field for the extra point (since the defense could still tie/win), and took a knee.


However, you did say that there would be one or two seconds left, and while I have never seen it happen, there is a case where this would be a smart move; when the team is ahead by 9 or 10. The other team is not going to score two touchdowns in one or two seconds, barring a freak series of penalties that extends the game with untimed downs, and by taking a knee, you don't risk the opponents scoring and then being behind by only 7 or 8, and your team kicking off.
With a 1-point lead and seconds remaining, you almost certainly go for 2, since a 2-point lead is no better than a 1-point lead. Taking a knee, or even going for 1, opens the door for a kicking-team penalty (e.g. clipping) on the return that puts the other team in field goal range with one play added to the end of the game.



Just to clear some of this up, in the NFL a PAT (extra point kick or 2 point attempt ) is mandatory after every regulation touchdown. This is required due to playoff tiebreakers which can come down to point differential. Also in the NFL, the defensive team cannot score on a PAT attempt. If the kick is blocked then the ball is dead. If the offense goes for 2 points and the ball is fumbled or intercepted then the play is also dead. Time does not run off the clock during a PAT attempt.

College rules are different. Defenses can return kicks for points. Also in college, the PAT is not required when there is no time left on the clock and the team is ahead by more than two points. If the defensive team is losing by 1 or 2 then the PAT must be attempted since a kick could theoretically be blocked and returned for points in college.

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