No Safety/No Overtime Superbowl bets out. Wizard what will you do?
I literally sweated that parlay out.
Phew!!!!
Quote: tringlomaneNo safety is safe now.
Dammit. Silly Seahawks!
Quote: sodawaterThat was gonna be an intentional safety if not for the encroachment on the hard count
Funny - instead of being ahead by 4, NE is only ahead by 2, and has to kick from its own 20; Seattle is one decent pass away from a game-winning FG, and every sports program is talking tomorrow about how New England just wanted to be a little more boneheaded than Seattle.
Unintentional safety, on the other hand, was quite possible.
+1 No way you go backwards in that situation.Quote: ThatDonGuyFunny - instead of being ahead by 4, NE is only ahead by 2, and has to kick from its own 20; Seattle is one decent pass away from a game-winning FG, and every sports program is talking tomorrow about how New England just wanted to be a little more boneheaded than Seattle.
Unintentional safety, on the other hand, was quite possible.
Congratulations to the Wizard and others who got in on the No Safety! That was a close call at the end though.Quote: WizardThanks! It wouldn't surprise me to see -500 by Sunday morning, but I prefer a bird in hand to two in the bush.
BTW, there was a digital billboard along the 95 by downtown advertising the -650 price at William Hill. Seems I'm not the only one hyping this bet.
Quote: ThatDonGuyFunny - instead of being ahead by 4, NE is only ahead by 2, and has to kick from its own 20; Seattle is one decent pass away from a game-winning FG, and every sports program is talking tomorrow about how New England just wanted to be a little more boneheaded than Seattle.
Unintentional safety, on the other hand, was quite possible.
I agree; I was sweating in the moment, but I don't think they would have done it. Better to just run the ball out of the end zone.
How much were you No Safety boys sweating that out??? lol
Quote: ThatDonGuyFunny - instead of being ahead by 4, NE is only ahead by 2, and has to kick from its own 20; Seattle is one decent pass away from a game-winning FG, and every sports program is talking tomorrow about how New England just wanted to be a little more boneheaded than Seattle.
Unintentional safety, on the other hand, was quite possible.
You don't get it. Brady would have quickly run out of the pocket 4 times and thrown the ball as far as he could-out of bounds. That would take 6-7 seconds per play. Game over no safety. The chance of a safety was with a handoff-which was NOT going to happen.
After the interception, I was also nervous about both a intentional and accidental safety. I don't know the fine points of football rules and strategy but it seems like the perfect set up for one.
I did lose a low bridge jumper on no scoreless quarter (the first was scoreless), laying -290, but fortunately didn't bet it very big.
Overall a great game for me, if I may say so.
The first time they lined up after the interception, NE was in a "snowplow" formation, as there was no room to take a knee and start the clock without taking the safety. They called time out, then came back in the same formation, I don't think Brady was going to throw it away. I suspect they would have taken the delay of game penalty. In any case, Seattle jumped offsides, effectively ending the game.Quote: bobsimsYou don't get it. Brady would have quickly run out of the pocket 4 times and thrown the ball as far as he could-out of bounds. That would take 6-7 seconds per play. Game over no safety. The chance of a safety was with a handoff-which was NOT going to happen.
Quote: bobsimsYou don't get it. Brady would have quickly run out of the pocket 4 times and thrown the ball as far as he could-out of bounds. That would take 6-7 seconds per play. Game over no safety. The chance of a safety was with a handoff-which was NOT going to happen.
There was several ways a safety could have happened there. I would have expected an intentional safety on the third down, as by then the clock would have been very short. The bootleg for a incomplete pass has it's own risks. Including intentional grounding (which Brady should have been called on earlier in the game, and how he gave up a safety in the Helmet-Catch bowl).
I've never seen a team not have enough room for the victory formation before...
I was very nervous about 3 parts of my 5 leg parlay.
I got thru the no score in first 1:30 portion easily with no worry. I also never sweated the Seattle +10.5. The 3 things that had me nervous were no team score on 5 unanswered possessions. There was a moment in the 3rd qtr where Seattle had scored 3 straight and were getting the ball back. That got my attention. Then after New England scored, I was like Phew! but then immediately realized NO OT was now my biggest problem. Then after the INT at the goal line, NO OT was safe, but NO SAFETY was in real trouble! Man was I glad to squeak that out!!!!
That's what makes gambling fun though, right?
Quote: thecesspitThere was several ways a safety could have happened there. I would have expected an intentional safety on the third down, as by then the clock would have been very short. The bootleg for a incomplete pass has it's own risks. Including intentional grounding (which Brady should have been called on earlier in the game, and how he gave up a safety in the Helmet-Catch bowl).
I've never seen a team not have enough room for the victory formation before...
Grounding is no longer called once the QB is out of the pocket-that's a rules change a few years back. Brady would have scampered out of the pocket and thrown the ball as high and as far out of bounds as he could-clock doesn't stop (pretty sure) till the ball hits the ground. Three throws likely would have killed it. At worst a second or 2 left for 4th down. I actually saw Brady do that with like 4 seconds left on 4th down once many years ago.
Quote: WizardCongratulations to all who followed my advice at betting the no overtime and no safety! I must admit that I was sweating both of those very hard at the end of the game. Had it not been for that interception, assuming Seattle would have scored, the Pats would have had plenty of time to get in field goal range and pop a field goal through at the last second to go to OT. That would have been very bad for a host of my other bets too.
After the interception, I was also nervous about both a intentional and accidental safety. I don't know the fine points of football rules and strategy but it seems like the perfect set up for one.
oh man.. if Seattle didn't go offsides...
the pats looked like they were lined up to take a knee in the endzone, thus giving Seattle +2 for the safety.
would have loved to see what the pats were actually going to do.
Seattle shot themselves in the foot MANY times in the final 2 min:
1) couldn't control the clock -> had to waste timeouts because the 30sec clock almost ran out of time, TWICE!
if they had 1 more time out, they had time to run the ball 3 more times to try for the touchdown.
2) passing the ball on the 1yard line when their best player is a running back.
so with one 1 time out left, they only had time to do 2 plays. I still think trying to run it both times was a better option.
3) going offsides when the pats were on their own 1yard line.
a safety would have given Seattle 2 points plus the ball with probably 1 play left. they could have done a hail mary.
but by going offsides, the pats were now on the 6 yard line.
GAME OVER
Quote: bobsimsGrounding is no longer called once the QB is out of the pocket-that's a rules change a few years back. Brady would have scampered out of the pocket and thrown the ball as high and as far out of bounds as he could-clock doesn't stop (pretty sure) till the ball hits the ground. Three throws likely would have killed it. At worst a second or 2 left for 4th down. I actually saw Brady do that with like 4 seconds left on 4th down once many years ago.
This is absurd. Seattle was bringing every single player on a blitz. You really think Brady was going to be able to just roll out of the pocket?
Quote: BeardgoatThis is absurd. Seattle was bringing every single player on a blitz. You really think Brady was going to be able to just roll out of the pocket?
You're exactly right. Brady was NOT going to roll out and throw. NO CHANCE. ZERO.
Not that the end of the game could have been much more crazy, but an intentionaly safety followed by however many hail mary shots at the endzone would have been even more nuts.
Quote: Dalex64Not that the end of the game could have been much more crazy, but an intentionaly safety followed by however many hail mary shots at the endzone would have been even more nuts.
The thing is, as I pointed out earlier in the thread, they wouldn't need to throw Hail Marys; they would just need to get the ball into field goal range, as the score would have been 28-26 after the safety.
Congrats on your parlay mwalz9!Quote: mwalz9I had $1,500 on the line for No Safety. I was scared to death. I actually think New England was going to try to run (QB Sneak) the ball. If they picked up a yard, great, if they took the safety, oh well, just D up. Luckily, Seattle got me off the hook.
Before you cash your 6k Ticket snap a picture to post up, so then no worries about someone claiming it or whatever. we can enjoy seeing a winner from someone who risked a sizable chunk of their BR on one bet.Quote: HowManyYou're exactly right. Brady was NOT going to roll out and throw. NO CHANCE. ZERO.
Quote: AxelWolfBefore you cash your 6k Ticket snap a picture to post up, so then no worries about someone claiming it or whatever. we can enjoy seeing a winner from someone who risked a sizable chunk of their BR on one bet.
"You calling me a liar, Frank? That what you're calling me?"
-Tony Montana
HowMany reasons do you want?Quote: BeardgoatThis seems like an odd request. Why aren't you asking the wizard or anyone else to post their tickets?
His bet of 6k stuck out more, since he said this...
Quote: HowManyI'm feeling very nervous right now. I believe I made a good bet, but, if there is a safety my bankroll is going to take a big hit.
I didn't see anyone else who was risking what seemed to be a significant part of their BR on ONE bet(It's always fun to see a picture of such a memorable event). It seemed to be the largest single bet made on this prop compared to their total BR.
If someone like Aceofspades or SOOPOO made a 6k bet, its probably insignificant (probably a small sting if lost, or an extra Vegas trip if won) I doubt It's going to really affect them either way.
We have seen enough of Wizard's tickets.
If someone like hard working Mission bet 6k on one bet, I would have suggested the same thing.
Quote: AxelWolf
If someone like hard working Mission bet 6k on one bet I would have suggested the same thing.
Unless there is a ten-play Ultimate X machine at a $100 denomination that is friggin' loaded to the teeth with multipliers, ($5,000 bet) that's not something you're ever going to see me do. That's also if my bankroll even WAS $5,000, which it is not, which it won't be for about another year...if I'm lucky.
Honestly, if such a machine even exists in Vegas, AND my bankroll was 10k, I'd still be calling you (or someone) up to take half the risk/reward. I'd just sit there and hold it by playing single-handed at the lowest denomination and short coin, maybe one play every three minutes, or so.
Quote: ThatDonGuyThe thing is, as I pointed out earlier in the thread, they wouldn't need to throw Hail Marys; they would just need to get the ball into field goal range, as the score would have been 28-26 after the safety.
You're right, and I was even aware of that when I was watching the game. Apparently I forgot, when I was making that post.
Quote: Mission146Unless there is a ten-play Ultimate X machine at a $100 denomination that is friggin' loaded to the teeth with multipliers, ($5,000 bet) that's not something you're ever going to see me do. That's also if my bankroll even WAS $5,000, which it is not, which it won't be for about another year...if I'm lucky.
Honestly, if such a machine even exists in Vegas, AND my bankroll was 10k, I'd still be calling you (or someone) up to take half the risk/reward. I'd just sit there and hold it by playing single-handed at the lowest denomination and short coin, maybe one play every three minutes, or so.
I'm not sure if Ultimate X exists beyond the $5 level (for fairly obvious reasons).
Quote: wudgedWhat would have happened if they took a delay of game penalty waiting for the Seahawks to jump offside but never did? They just move the ball half the distance to the goal, right? But what happens if they do it over and over and over until either they finally do jump offside or just give up and let them rush it out?
A team is warned after the second one; starting with the third one, it is Unsportsmanlike Conduct, and the officials can eject player(s) for it. In theory, the referee could even award a safety, although the rules don't say this specifically (they do say that the referee can award a touchdown if the defense repeatedly commits penalties to prevent one - e.g. repeated pass interference in the end zone to prevent apparently obvious touchdown receptions).
Quote: ThatDonGuyA team is warned after the second one; starting with the third one, it is Unsportsmanlike Conduct, and the officials can eject player(s) for it. In theory, the referee could even award a safety, although the rules don't say this specifically (they do say that the referee can award a touchdown if the defense repeatedly commits penalties to prevent one - e.g. repeated pass interference in the end zone to prevent apparently obvious touchdown receptions).
Interesting, thanks. I wasn't aware of these rules.
Quote: ThatDonGuyA team is warned after the second one; starting with the third one, it is Unsportsmanlike Conduct, and the officials can eject player(s) for it. In theory, the referee could even award a safety, although the rules don't say this specifically (they do say that the referee can award a touchdown if the defense repeatedly commits penalties to prevent one - e.g. repeated pass interference in the end zone to prevent apparently obvious touchdown receptions).
Yeah free points are often in rule books of sports, although in football it's rarely done (if ever). More common in hockey or basketball. Doing something illegal to a breakaway player going toward an empty net = goal. Goaltending in basketball = basket is automatically good.
Quote: tringlomaneYeah free points are often in rule books of sports, although in football it's rarely done (if ever).
It happened once that I know of, in college football; I think it was the 1940 Rose Bowl (it was definitely Michigan vs. Cal) - Tom Harmon was running down the sideline with the ball on his way to a sure Michigan touchdown when a Cal fan ran out and tackled him; the officials awarded a TD to Michigan.
"The Bench Tackle of 1954."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoCf3WqVyx4
Quote: EdCollinsIt also happened in 1954... Alabama against Rice in the Cotton Bowl.
"The Bench Tackle of 1954."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoCf3WqVyx4
I have a book that I bought in the early '70s called "Strange But True Football Stories." Not only is this story in this book, the cover drawing is of this very play.
http://www.amazon.com/Strange-True-Football-Stories-Library/dp/0394801989
Notice the jersey numbers of both players are correctly represented.
Quote: EdCollinsIt also happened in 1954... Alabama against Rice in the Cotton Bowl.
"The Bench Tackle of 1954."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoCf3WqVyx4
He just passed away last October.
I wonder if he drew comments his whole life because of a stupid split second decision in his early 20's.
Quote: EdCollinsI have a book that I bought in the early '70s called "Strange But True Football Stories." Not only is this story in this book, the cover drawing is of this very play.
http://www.amazon.com/Strange-True-Football-Stories-Library/dp/0394801989
Notice the jersey numbers of both players are correctly represented.
I have been trying to remember the name of that book for years!
I read it once in elementary school after joining Pop Warner football. I haven't been able to remember the name since.
Pretty odd that I was thinking of this exact book a few weeks ago.
Reading these books in the early '70s, I would never have imagined in my wildest dreams that 40+ years in the future I would be discussing these books with other football fans, located in different corners of the globe, and to be able to view the actual footage of these football events on a device called a "computer."
Technology is amazing.
Quote: ThatDonGuyA team is warned after the second one; starting with the third one, it is Unsportsmanlike Conduct, and the officials can eject player(s) for it. In theory, the referee could even award a safety, although the rules don't say this specifically (they do say that the referee can award a touchdown if the defense repeatedly commits penalties to prevent one - e.g. repeated pass interference in the end zone to prevent apparently obvious touchdown receptions).
Imagine if this happened in an NFL game today. The media would have an absolute field day with it.
Quote: EdCollinsAnother similar book you might remember is simply "Great Moments in Pro Football." It was also a part of the Punt, Pass, & Kick library series.
Reading these books in the early '70s, I would never have imagined in my wildest dreams that 40+ years in the future I would be discussing these books with other football fans, located in different corners of the globe, and to be able to view the actual footage of these football events on a device called a "computer."
Technology is amazing.
I'm going to horribly butcher this quote but...
"We have all have a device in our pockets to look up any information in all of the worlds libraries. The entire history of the world at our finger tips. And how do we use this great gift to humanity? But constantly insulting strangers and sharing pictures of cats."
Yes, technology can be s wonderful thing. I agree how amazing it is, and I use that word in it's truest meaning. The masses now have access to information at a moments notice. The Fourth Estate no longer has a monopoly on media. I think we'll continue to see wonderful things... As well as those that will abuse and misuse the advancements.
Human Nature I guess. It vindicates and jades at the same time.
(Hey, I don't have kids so my two kitties are MY babies!)
Quote: EdCollinsIt also happened in 1954... Alabama against Rice in the Cotton Bowl.
"The Bench Tackle of 1954."
I remember watching that bowl game live on TV as a kid. On that play, I was caught completely by surprise when the runner went down. I couldn't figure out what had happened. Back then, of course, there was no instant replay. Eventually, the announcers explained what had happened and how it was being resolved.
Quote: EdCollinsI had to LOL when I read about sharing pictures of cats! I forwarded a recent photo of each my two cats to a friend earlier this morning!
(Hey, I don't have kids so my two kitties are MY babies!)
:)
There's nothing wrong with that at all, but you get the idea of what the speaker was trying to get across. Send all the cat pics you want, you seem to understand what an achievement the internet is.
1. First score is a touchdown @ -160
2. No safety @ -700
I had my scout put $700 on the no safety and I'm sure I'll go higher. This of course happens right after I lay -800 with DJTeddyBear.
Quote: WizardI'm told that the Golden Nugget already has some props out on the 2016 Super Bowl. The only two I was told were:
1. First score is a touchdown @ -160
2. No safety @ -700
I had my scout put $700 on the no safety and I'm sure I'll go higher. This of course happens right after I lay -800 with DJTeddyBear.
Does the casino have to sit on your money, or can they buy stocks of varying risk? Three months of interest on wagered money could add up to a tidy sum.
💰😄Quote: WizardI'm told that the Golden Nugget already has some props out on the 2016 Super Bowl. The only two I was told were:
1. First score is a touchdown @ -160
2. No safety @ -700
I had my scout put $700 on the no safety and I'm sure I'll go higher. This of course happens right after I lay -800 with DJTeddyBear.
If you want, I'll double check it for you. I'm staying at GN tonight...
Gang: There's a long story involved in that -800 bet. I'll type it once I get home and off my iPhone.
Quote: AyecarumbaDoes the casino have to sit on your money, or can they buy stocks of varying risk? Three months of interest on wagered money could add up to a tidy sum.
I think they can do what they want with it. There are regulations about how much cash they must have on site according to various criteria but I don't think outstanding sports bets has anything to do with it.
I have pictures of all the Golden Nugget Super Bowl props and will post them with my analysis sometime this weekend.
