No Safety/No Overtime Superbowl bets out. Wizard what will you do?
Quote: WizardI just got no safety at -650 at William Hill and then -600 at Boyd/Coast.
Can anyone confirm the -600 line is still up on NO SAFETY at Boyd and/or Coast?
Quote: AcesAndEightsCan anyone confirm the -600 line is still up on NO SAFETY at Boyd and/or Coast?
I can scan and show you my ticket if necessary, but I can assure you I bet it at that price.
Quote: WizardI can scan and show you my ticket if necessary, but I can assure you I bet it at that price.
No scan necessary, I trust that you got it at that price. I'm just hoping the line hasn't moved. Granted that wouldn't make any sense since by all reports the square money is coming down heavily on another safety.
Anyway I have a friend in town and he checked stations, mgm, caesars, and westgate and didn't find it for better than -700 yesterday.
Actually I think he's checking a Coast casino right now anyway, but I was going to try for some intel before he made the trip. But I don't feel bad, he's running all over town looking for lines for himself too.
Boz has honored wagers with me in the past. I consider him a man of his word.Quote: BozI will take the "No Safety" if anyone is interested up to me risking $1000 to win $200. Would prefer longer term members. My rep is good when it comes to money and payment, I expect yours to be the same. Bottom line, I lose, you will get your money PayPal Monday, I would expect the same if interested. Thanks! Boz
Quote: beachbumbabsAt Bovada, No Safety and No OT are under Team Props, which I had to scroll around to find. It's not under Special Props.
http://sports.bovada.lv/sports-betting/nfl-football-lines.jsp
Go a bit more than 1/2 way down for No Safety, and about 3/4 of the way down for No OT.
I found them under the team props, but of course they're NS = -900, and NOT = -1400.
This is going to be a total newb question... but do any of those las vegas casinos allow online betting of their sports books? i.e. can I find the -600 lines you guys are getting in vegas online and bet them?
No.Quote: RomesI found them under the team props, but of course they're NS = -900, and NOT = -1400.
This is going to be a total newb question... but do any of those las vegas casinos allow online betting of their sports books? i.e. can I find the -600 lines you guys are getting in vegas online and bet them?
What about online within the state? Doesn't Nevada allow online sports bettiing if you are physically within the borders of the state?Quote: AxelWolfNo.
Quote: AyecarumbaWhat about online within the state? Doesn't Nevada allow online sports bettiing if you are physically within the borders of the state?
I believe it's only poker at present. IIRC, the big Supreme Court decision specifically said that online gambling was a-ok within state lines if it was regulated and stuff, but that sports wagering was still covered by the wire fraud act or whatever.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI believe it's only poker at present. IIRC, the big Supreme Court decision specifically said that online gambling was a-ok within state lines if it was regulated and stuff, but that sports wagering was still covered by the wire fraud act or whatever.
So what if "someone" used a proxy to make the sports wagering site believed the request was coming from within the state?
That's a different story, I Assumed he wasn't from NV. It's think legal however I'm not sure who or if anyone has it. I know they used to have phone accounts.Quote: AyecarumbaWhat about online within the state? Doesn't Nevada allow online sports bettiing if you are physically within the borders of the state?
Quote: AxelWolfThat's a different story, I Assumed he wasn't from NV. It's think legal however I'm not sure who or if anyone has it. I know they used to have phone accounts.
This was an issue in West Wendover, Nevada. The lines in the Peppermill books there move heavily toward the favorite. Some guys I knew tried to exploit the difference between the Wendover lines and the Vegas lines with phone accounts. But the phones pinged off the tower in Wendover, Utah just across the stateline. The Vegas books wouldn't accept the bets. You had to drive all the way to Wells to book a bet.
Quote: RomesSo what if "someone" used a proxy to make the sports wagering site believed the request was coming from within the state?
The point of my post is that if I remembered it correctly, online sports betting was not legal anywhere in the US at all, regardless of state lines. The state lines thing applies to the new legal poker sites.
But, if mcallister's post below is accurate, then I'm wrong anyway.
Quote: mcallister3200You can bet sports online within state of Nevada, stations/el Cortez I know have an app for it. I've never personally used it, so perhaps the betting selection is limited. A former co-worker of mine would place his bets on breaks from his phone, while yapping about his opinions/asking mine all day. I got pretty good at nodding my head and saying "yep, I agree" without listening. Good practice for dating I guess.
Quote: thecesspitI'm looking to bet the Safety at +600 (small stakes) is anyone wants the other side.
I'll take the other side.
My $300 to your $50. I say there will be no safety and you say there will. Payment made via PayPal within a day or two after the game.
Let me know.
Quote: EdCollinsI'll take the other side.
My $300 to your $50. I say there will be no safety and you say there will. Payment made via PayPal within a day or two after the game.
Let me know.
Let the record show : Half the action taken and bet booked. ($150 to $25).
Thanks.
Quote: mcallister3200Boyd at -700 no safety, William hill -650 presently. Got some action down on no ot at -700 and no 2 pt conversion -380, waiting for better price on everything else. Pussies at William hill wanted a players card to "speed up approval process" waiting for two bets that combined would win less than 500.
WOW so the "no safety" line actually went from -600 at open to -700 for Boyd? They must have had heavy action on the no side (Wizard, I'm blaming you for this [this is a joke]).
Suncoast (Boyd Gaming)
No safety -700
No overtime -725
Red Rock (Station casinos)
No safety -650
No overtime -750
Rampart (South Point family of sports books)
No safety -650
No overtime -800
Quote: AcesAndEightsWOW so the "no safety" line actually went from -600 at open to -700 for Boyd? They must have had heavy action on the no side (Wizard, I'm blaming you for this [this is a joke]).
That is not too surprising. Generally the early money is from the sharp bettors thinking that they got a fair line. Then the last three days all the square action comes in and it goes back down again.
not sure what it opened at, but their prop sheet downtown today actually had it -800. There were probably 3 bets at William hill I would have taken if they were as listed on prop sheet(getting out of town tomorrow and was hoping not to come back until Monday), but looks like I'm going to have to wait. Hopefully tomorrow morning.Quote: AcesAndEightsWOW so the "no safety" line actually went from -600 at open to -700 for Boyd? They must have had heavy action on the no side (Wizard, I'm blaming you for this [this is a joke]).
Quote: AcesAndEightsWOW so the "no safety" line actually went from -600 at open to -700 for Boyd? They must have had heavy action on the no side (Wizard, I'm blaming you for this [this is a joke]).
I'm sure it goes up and down a lot. Every time I bet it I'm sure it moves but eventually will come back down.
Did you ride your unicycle?Quote: WizardI just did the rounds of the Summerlin casinos.
Knowing the Super Bowl was happening too.
I have the B Connected(Boyd)App on my IPhone.
This is the first time I've been able to use it being inside the State of Nevada.
The current morning No Safety line is -600.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI believe it's only poker at present. IIRC, the big Supreme Court decision specifically said that online gambling was a-ok within state lines if it was regulated and stuff, but that sports wagering was still covered by the wire fraud act or whatever.
I don't think the Supreme Court has ever made a decision one way or the other about online gambling. The Department of Justice announced in December, 2011, that the Interstate Wire Act applied only to sports betting:
The revised interpretation was that the term "any sporting event or contest" applied to the entire paragraph, and not just to "information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers".Quote: Title 18, Section 1084(a), United States CodeWhoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Also, it never applied to bets placed within the same state, although it's not clear if it applies if an online bet's "path" goes through more than one state.
Quote: ThatDonGuyI don't think the Supreme Court has ever made a decision one way or the other about online gambling. The Department of Justice announced in December, 2011, that the Interstate Wire Act applied only to sports betting:
The revised interpretation was that the term "any sporting event or contest" applied to the entire paragraph, and not just to "information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers".Quote: Title 18, Section 1084(a), United States CodeWhoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Also, it never applied to bets placed within the same state, although it's not clear if it applies if an online bet's "path" goes through more than one state.
Yes, thank you. I was going from memory and didn't follow it very closely at the time.
Quote: WizardQuote: AcesAndEightsWOW so the "no safety" line actually went from -600 at open to -700 for Boyd? They must have had heavy action on the no side (Wizard, I'm blaming you for this [this is a joke]).
I'm sure it goes up and down a lot. Every time I bet it I'm sure it moves but eventually will come back down.
Yeah, I'm surprised it moved up from -600; I guess the tourists/squares weren't in town yet.
My runner* got down at -575 last night, at the Orleans sports book.
*I joke because he's a much more serious sports better than I, but offered to make a bet for me while there.
Then, I heard from a reliable source that Wynn was offering NO SAFETY at -550 yesterday. I wasn't there, so I can't confirm.
And I've since left town.
Quote: AcesAndEightsQuote: WizardQuote: AcesAndEightsWOW so the "no safety" line actually went from -600 at open to -700 for Boyd? They must have had heavy action on the no side (Wizard, I'm blaming you for this [this is a joke]).
I'm sure it goes up and down a lot. Every time I bet it I'm sure it moves but eventually will come back down.
Yeah, I'm surprised it moved up from -600; I guess the tourists/squares weren't in town yet.
My runner* got down at -575 last night, at the Orleans sports book.
*I joke because he's a much more serious sports better than I, but offered to make a bet for me while there.
Congrats on -575. Well done!
That would be a nice picture of a sports ticket to post up.Quote: HowManyI bet NO SAFETY at a Will Hill book a few days ago @ -600. I put up $6,000 of my hard earned dollars.
Then, I heard from a reliable source that Wynn was offering NO SAFETY at -550 yesterday. I wasn't there, so I can't confirm.
And I've since left town.
Aliante:
No overtime -650
No safety -650
Station Casinos
No overtime: -675
No safety: -625
Quote: HowManyQuote: AcesAndEightsQuote: WizardQuote: AcesAndEightsWOW so the "no safety" line actually went from -600 at open to -700 for Boyd? They must have had heavy action on the no side (Wizard, I'm blaming you for this [this is a joke]).
I'm sure it goes up and down a lot. Every time I bet it I'm sure it moves but eventually will come back down.
Yeah, I'm surprised it moved up from -600; I guess the tourists/squares weren't in town yet.
My runner* got down at -575 last night, at the Orleans sports book.
*I joke because he's a much more serious sports better than I, but offered to make a bet for me while there.
Congrats on -575. Well done!
Yeah I feel bad because I think he did a bit of running around to find this line, and I know he wasn't betting this one himself. Hopefully he found a favorable line for himself on some other bet at the same book.
Etiquette question for those more knowledgeable - I haven't been in this situation before. If I win, should I cut him in for a piece? It's not huge, $1150 to win $200. I was thinking of giving him $20 as a gesture of my thanks.
Quote: AcesAndEights
Etiquette question for those more knowledgeable - I haven't been in this situation before. If I win, should I cut him in for a piece? It's not huge, $1150 to win $200. I was thinking of giving him $20 as a gesture of my thanks.
Since you trusted him with the money, it would be an insult to give him $20.usd. If you were borrowing money from him via trust to make the wager, I still think it's in poor taste to "tip" him. Lastly however, if he was booking the wager himself and didn't tell you, I'd give him the $20.usd..
Quote: AxelWolfThat would be a nice picture of a sports ticket to post up.
One of my buddies posted a sports ticket on twitter a year ago. Somebody called the book and reported the ticket stolen.
Westgate (formerly LVH)
No safety -600
No OT -700
Yea you would have to block out the sensitive parts.Quote: HowManyOne of my buddies posted a sports ticket on twitter a year ago. Somebody called the book and reported the ticket stolen.
BTW I don't consider this hard work
Quote: HowManyThere is blackjack machine that I was playing for the purpose of earning comps. And the rules are pretty decent-
H17, DOA, DAS, LS, and 3:2. (But, while running money thru this machine I discovered it was paying 3:2 on ALL 21's!!!)
Is this glitch large enough to make the machine +EV? How much? How should I alter basic strategy?
I've never had action on the Superbowl. Now I'm going to be watching the whole game just looking for SAFETIES.
No OT -900
No safety -800
Quote: WizardSome recent prices, as of Saturday:
Aliante:
No overtime -650
No safety -650
Station Casinos
No overtime: -675
No safety: -625
Wow wasn't no OT over -1200 just a few days ago?
Edit: no nevermind I was wrong. I was looking at wizards fair price. I offered +700 on OT up to $30 two days ago and nobody wanted it
Quote: teddysI'm looking for some no safety action at -600. Any takers for the other side?
Yeah man, drink the koolaid and step up to the bridge! Sorry, I don't want to book your action though :).
giventhe start, I'm more worried about no OT . Have about 1/3 of my bankroll down, betting 1/4 kelly.Quote: HowManyI'm feeling very nervous right now. I believe I made a good bet, but, if there is a safety my bankroll is going to take a big hit.
Quote: sodawaterINTENTIONAL SAFETY TIME!!!
+1 Horrible scenario.
