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AxelWolf
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May 5th, 2019 at 8:52:32 PM permalink
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They are NOT going to be beat now, not by bonus users at least. That opportunity has come and gone. .

I'm sorry happy to say, but you are wrong on this.

It will all be in my next book that I co write with DO(-;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 5th, 2019 at 8:57:22 PM permalink
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Rule 2.3. If customers withdraw money from their account and then return it, they will not be eligible for a re-deposit bonus.



(1) This seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. If you make a withdrawal and then you re-deposit, you're violating Rule 2.3. If you *don't* withdraw, then they cancel your winnings anyway because "Deposit bonus offers are of course intended for depositing players....Transferring chips in and out of the Casino within the shared wallet cannot be regarded as real deposits." Maybe what they mean is that you have to *lose* before you're eligible for another bonus, because if you lose, there's no money to withdraw or not withdraw. But in that case:

(2a) Their T&C should be *exceptionally clear* about that. It's not. That's their fault, and they should take responsibility when they fail to spell out the rules properly. And:

(2b) If they want to disallow a bonus based on how you funded your account, their system shouldn't give you the bonus in the first place. If it does, that's their fault, not yours, and they likewise ought to take responsibility.

I wouldn't promote Intertops on my site (Easy.Vegas). Some casinos think they're saving money by nickel-and-diming their customers, but that means they don't get advertising and endorsements from trusted websites. Casinos are constantly writing to get on my site and I consistently say no. I've advertised Bovada exclusively for around 15 years now, because they're the best bet for U.S. players (not because they're completely wart-free, but because no even better alternatives exist). The only way to get on my site is to be a better casino.

To paraphrase Mr. Burns from the Simpsons, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Intertops.
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May 5th, 2019 at 9:11:53 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm sorry happy to say, but you are wrong on this.

It will all be in my next book that I co write with DO(-;




I fondly remember my introduction to bonus-whoring. There were dozens of 100% match bonuses that one could play-through on blackjack, at 5X deposit and bonus. I thought I had gone to Heaven.

Looking forward to you NEXT book. But what's the name of your LAST book?
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May 5th, 2019 at 9:20:29 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

I'm sorry happy to say, but you are wrong on this.

It will all be in my next book that I co write with DO(-;




I fondly remember my introduction to bonus-whoring. There were dozens of 100% match bonuses that one could play-through on blackjack, at 5X deposit and bonus. I thought I had gone to Heaven.

Looking forward to you NEXT book. But what's the name of your LAST book?

It's called: Why AP's shouldn't be idiots and write books about AP.

It's a really short book. I can send you a copy via PM, however, I don't think you need it.
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May 5th, 2019 at 9:37:43 PM permalink
There are a few that have less than 5 times roll over, however, that's rare. I get what you are saying, it's not like it used to be, $2000 for 2000 with a 3 times wagering req. I think the standard went to 10x for a while and on up from there. Now with BTC being a thing it's easier than ever to play online. But just like everything else, when something changes or goes away there are other things that pop up in it's place, sometimes it's even better than before.

There was a time when VP seemed to be dying out, but then, casino started to get generous with free play.

fIt used to be double on 4 a kind promotions you would see all the time. Back then, I never really seen a loss rebate like the ones they have nowadays. But then suddenly, they were having loss rebates all over.

Bonus banking machines were fading out for a while, but now look at it.

That's why I don't agree with the..... 'Its over now, so lets go on the radio and talk about it and then write some books'
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 5th, 2019 at 9:55:18 PM permalink
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Maybe what they mean is that you have to *lose* before you're eligible for another bonus, because if you lose, there's no money to withdraw or not withdraw.




That's been clear to me for at least the last decade. I have, in fact, made a few small plays since the world ended in 2006. But it's a pain in the ass either way. Sometimes loading your deposit is more of a pain than collecting. Just forget it.
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May 5th, 2019 at 10:14:01 PM permalink
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That's why I don't agree with the..... 'Its over now, so lets go on the radio and talk about it and then write some books'




Good point. I guess if Phil Ivey can get over on a major corporation with edge-sorting in THESE days, I could believe anything. What a buncha dopes.
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May 6th, 2019 at 12:35:57 AM permalink
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If he withdraws aech win to his outside holder he is ok. He did not do that

That SHOULD be true. But re-read the rule as they quoted it to Wizard and re-read of GWAE's experience where he DID fully withdraw and they still penalised him.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/online/32987-down-and-out-at-intertops/#post716807

That said, Wizard should have known better than to just pop the money in his main wallet. DON'T maintain a high online casino balance: PROVE that at least a few withdrawals are honored and WITHDRAW ANY PROFITS soon and often.

I too have suffered online where a casino closes an account after a bonus was taken FULLY within the letter and the spirit of the rules. It's a dreadful cost of business when you play online.
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May 6th, 2019 at 1:22:40 AM permalink
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That said, Wizard should have known better than to just pop the money in his main wallet. DON'T maintain a high online casino balance: PROVE that at least a few withdrawals are honored and WITHDRAW ANY PROFITS soon and often.

I totally agree, I have said this before. However, as you know, sometimes it's unavoidable. Given the way The Wizard was playing it sounds like you could lose, lose, lose, lose then hit big. Now suddenly you are in a situation where your account is high, yet you have invested a significant amount of money. -EV for sure since they can free roll you. And sometimes you get comfortable with a casino online if you have been cashing in and out decent amounts without a problem. You tend to let the balance get a little higher each time since all has been going well so far. But now with BTC I cant think of a good reason not to make frequent cash outs. Unless perhaps you are in a situation where a cash out is pending but there is a bonus you only have a limited time to use. *Decisions, decisions.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 6th, 2019 at 1:35:36 AM permalink
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Rule 2.3. If customers withdraw money from their account and then return it, they will not be eligible for a re-deposit bonus.



(1) This seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. If you make a withdrawal and then you re-deposit, you're violating Rule 2.3. If you *don't* withdraw, then they cancel your winnings anyway because "Deposit bonus offers are of course intended for depositing players....Transferring chips in and out of the Casino within the shared wallet cannot be regarded as real deposits." Maybe what they mean is that you have to *lose* before you're eligible for another bonus, because if you lose, there's no money to withdraw or not withdraw. But in that case:0

(2a) Their T&C should be *exceptionally clear* about that. It's not. That's their fault, and they should take responsibility when they fail to spell out the rules properly. And:

(2b) If they want to disallow a bonus based on how you funded your account, their system shouldn't give you the bonus in the first place. If it does, that's their fault, not yours, and they likewise ought to take responsibility.

I wouldn't promote Intertops on my site (VegasClick). Some casinos think they're saving money by nickel-and-diming their customers, but that means they don't get advertising and endorsements from trusted websites. Casinos are constantly writing to get on my site and I consistently say no. I've advertised Bovada exclusively for around 15 years now, because they're the best bet for U.S. players (not because they're completely wart-free, but because no even better alternatives exist). The only way to get on my site is to be a better casino.

To paraphrase Mr. Burns from the Simpsons, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Intertops.

I have to agree for the most part Bovada (or as Micky likes to call it BovAda (-;) have been real good. However, I think they totally F****D up how they handled the BetSoft scam. They got to use that situation to their advantage and lots of people got screwed. Personally, I think they knew more than they would like us to know. And why won't they allow people from Nevada play there anymore? They think they will somehow get into the NV gambling market, so they need to be good? They thought the LV sports books were going to put a hit out on them?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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