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teliot
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January 25th, 2013 at 8:18:08 PM permalink
This issue has taken a turn that has cast everything into doubt. The OP of the thread at Casinomeister admitted, in an e-mail to Bryan Bailey, that:

Quote: OP


Firstly, I would like to apologize to all the members here, especially
Eliot Jacobson who spent a considerable amount of time investigating
these games. The truth is that I opened an account at Betfred on
behalf of my sister in an attempt to profit from bonuses on a 100% RTP
game. While I had her permission to do so, I accept that it was wrong.
I regret bringing the issue to light in this manner and accept that I
should instead have disclosed this directly to Betfred or the
regulator to get an explanation and a refund.


The regulator has explained to me that the discrepancy between the
games was due to human error in game updates, and not that the games
were 'rigged' and I fully understand and accept this explanation. I
now realise that my actions, though identifying an error, have
generated unwarranted criticism of Betfred, Spielo and Realistic Games
and caused a huge distraction for the regulator. I must stress that my
intention was only to get my money back and not to incite any
criticism towards these parties.


I would also like to clarify that I did not in any way profit from my
play at Betfred nor was I aware of any flaw in the game before I
started playing. The amount refunded was the exact amount of the
deposits so there are no winnings resulting from this.



At this point, I am unsure what's going on. I have lost track of all the players, events and issues that constitute this cacophonous conflagration of incompetence, malice and nefarious intent.
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January 25th, 2013 at 10:35:14 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

This issue has taken a turn that has cast everything into doubt...



That the player played on his sister's account doesn't change the issue that Spielo created a gaffed game that cheated players.
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January 25th, 2013 at 11:40:39 PM permalink
Sounds like they paid in exchange for him releasing a statement. Way too congenial for an obviously rigged game.

"Human error in updating a game..." sure.
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January 26th, 2013 at 1:21:53 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

This issue has taken a turn that has cast everything into doubt. The OP of the thread at Casinomeister admitted, in an e-mail to Bryan Bailey, that:

Quote: OP


The regulator has explained to me that the discrepancy between the
games was due to human error in game updates, and not that the games
were 'rigged' and I fully understand and accept this explanation. I
now realise that my actions, though identifying an error, have
generated unwarranted criticism of Betfred, Spielo and Realistic Games
and caused a huge distraction for the regulator. I must stress that my
intention was only to get my money back and not to incite any
criticism towards these parties.




Read this guys, reads this two or three times. Can you not get mad?

You know what makes me mad, REALLY REALLY mad? The arrogance combined with idiocy of the people behind all of this. Can anybody believe that the OP wrote this statement beacause he suddenly felt bad for using his sister's account? Does that even matter? Heck, he did not even write this. This was written by some would be lawyer, and some shady deal was made.

Listen up retarded criminals: If you are gonna do this, at least get it right! At least make a statement like this seem credible and meaningful. Come up with something better than this! Not only are you trying to steal our money, but you are also insulting us by believing you can deal with this by creating a complete bullshit narrative. It started with the "we can't be held responsible for software somebody else made" ridiculousness, and now this.

So here is my statement:

Betfred has been cheating players out of their money by offering gaffed games that violate Gibraltar gambling regulations. Those games were deceiving the player into believing they were playing a fair (100% RTP) game. Betfred also falsely claimed on their website that these games had a 100% RTP. When they were caught, they attempted to shift the blame.

Sue me.
Canyonero
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January 26th, 2013 at 1:35:36 AM permalink
Oh and one more thing:

I just checked the Casinomeister thread:

- OP is banned
- Thread is closed by Casinomeister himself.
- Thread title has been changed from "Betfred Rigged Hi-Lo Games" to "Finsoft/Spielo G2 Games Issue"

Casinomeister, at least you didn't dare to delete the thread, but you are still a sellout. At least now I know I cannot trust any of the allegedly unbiased information on your site. Farewell.

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January 26th, 2013 at 3:49:26 AM permalink
Quote: teliot


At this point, I am unsure what's going on. I have lost track of all the players, events and issues that constitute this cacophonous conflagration of incompetence, malice and nefarious intent.



What is going on is pretty simple to me. Casinomeister is corrupt and has been sold out. He just added Betfred back to his Accredited casinos list and added these statements there:

Betfred is outstanding - it's one of the best Playtech casinos that is listed at Casinomeister. Besides hosting Playtech's award winning games, they offer poker, sports betting, skill games, bingo, and lots more. Do yourself a favor and join them.

Finsoft/Spielo Games - there was an issue posted here concerning the fairness of some of the games that Betfred (amongst others) were hosting on their site: specifically “Reel Deal” and “HiLo Gambler”. It turned out the RTPs listed on the games' help files were not correct. The files were replaced and affected players were reimbursed.


I see, so it's all just a wrong help-file being provided issue again, never mind that the software adapted to player's bet by increasing the chance of the outcome not selected by the player.

And they haven't even reimbursed any other player than OP. In the CM thread another Betfred customer contacted them about reimbursement and their customer support laughed him/her away.

Does anyone here have contacts to journalists in UK newspapers? What Betfred deserves now is that this issue of cheating makes mass media in UK.
teliot
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January 26th, 2013 at 6:47:08 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

That the player played on his sister's account doesn't change the issue that Spielo created a gaffed game that cheated players.

Yes, I agree. The software cheats. Betfred stated very clearly that the software cheats. But, because of the admission by the OP, I can no longer rely on the data that was provided to me in reaching that conclusion.
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January 26th, 2013 at 8:31:12 AM permalink
Quote: Jufo81

I see, so it's all just a wrong help-file being provided issue again, never mind that the software adapted to player's bet by increasing the chance of the outcome not selected by the player.



If they can use that excuse what is to stop the next Internet casino who cheats from receiving forgiveness by saying, "Sorry, we meant to disclose that we cheat in the help file, but mistakenly omitted that part."

Quote: Jufo81

Does anyone here have contacts to journalists in UK newspapers? What Betfred deserves now is that this issue of cheating makes mass media in UK.



Unfortunately, I don't. An American journalist in the mainstream media is investigating this and I hope to see him publish something late next week.

Quote: teliot

Yes, I agree. The software cheats. Betfred stated very clearly that the software cheats. But, because of the admission by the OP, I can no longer rely on the data that was provided to me in reaching that conclusion.



I find it a stretch to imply the player falsified a log file of about 20,000 games. One thing I do give the other side is that they at least admitted the game was gaffed. As far as I know, nobody has denied the logs posted at CasinoMeister were genuine.
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January 26th, 2013 at 8:55:53 AM permalink
I hope that those who were posting on Casinomeister in the thread that Bryan closed will find this thread and continue this important discussion here.
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January 26th, 2013 at 9:20:08 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

I hope that those who were posting on Casinomeister in the thread that Bryan closed will find this thread and continue this important discussion here.



Me too. I welcome them here.
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