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teliot
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January 5th, 2013 at 7:20:04 AM permalink
I'd like to call attention of online players to this thread at Casinomeister:

Betfred Rigged Hi-Lo Games

I assisted the OP in determining that the games "Hi-Lo Gambler" and "Reel Deal" made by Realistic Games (based out of the U.K.) are gaffed. These programs were available at Betfred, Nordicbet, Stanjames, Betpack, Sportingbet, and Bet365. Betfred admitted that the game Reel Deal was gaffed and blamed the problem on a faulty help file. They have not addressed Hi-Lo Gambler, which is still in their casino as of this writing. The other casinos mentioned have not yet come forward to address this issue.

My opinion is that this is the most significant case of gaffed software since the BLR incident.

Michael Shackleford wrote to me indicating he will look into this after he returns from his trip.
Wizard
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January 5th, 2013 at 8:12:49 PM permalink
I've already looked into the log files linked to at Casino Meister and find the odds of luck as bad the player had on the even money bets to be 1 in 200 million. I wanted to hear the response of Realistic Games before I commented in public.

I've been out of the country all week but will write more about this after I return tomorrow. Unlike BLR, this game implicates some very big caisnos.

This deserves to be huge.
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FleaStiff
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January 5th, 2013 at 10:11:49 PM permalink
Please people think for a moment.

Apparently there is this casino somewhere that offers "Cutesy Game" in real money mode and there is no House Edge, its just a totally fair game.

Now WHY would a casino do that? I do not know of ANY Brick and Mortar casino that offers a ZERO HOUSE EDGE game and tells the players "Don't Worry. We will pay the croupier his salary out of thin air."

Casinos have band width that they BUY, Servers that they BUY, Techies that they BUY ...
How does the casino buy anything if its a totally fair game with zero house edge?

If it can't be done in a brick and mortar casino where there is a live girl in a revealing outfit walking around giving free drinks away, what makes you think there is going to be a change when its a virtual girl in a revealing outfit but real money is involved?

WHO pays the programmer? If there is no house edge how does the casino pay that programmer? If there is no house edge how does the casino pay the night auditor?

If there is no house edge, zillions of players could line up... get lucky and win... and then walk away never to return, but there is that darned casino unable to walk away from such lucky winners. That casino has to stand there and keep paying bandwidth as well as lucky winners. Whereas unlucky losers simply walk away. Doesn't make sense economically.

What's the casino's name: Goodness of our hearts charity casino? Keep Beating Us Casino? We Make It Up On Volume Casino?
sodawater
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January 5th, 2013 at 10:21:23 PM permalink
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Pokeraddict
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January 5th, 2013 at 10:50:44 PM permalink
Betfair has offered 100% payback games for years and their reputation is slightly above garbage. Some of these rooms mentioned though do not have a shady past, although I guess Betfair was once the most well respected brands out there until their Happy Hour scam and retroactive premium fees.
Canyonero
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January 6th, 2013 at 5:24:06 AM permalink
Can we get rid of the "gaffed" please? It is supposed to say "fraudulent" "rigged" or something.

The thing about us degenerate gamblers - we are eager to excuse or deny the fact that we are cheated time and again, lest it ruin our favourite pastime. If we would acknowledge that we are cheated by online casinos, and would furthermore admit that this is not a "gaffe", and is gonna happen again and again, we would have to feel pretty stupid about still giving our money away. Nobody likes to feel stupid. So we excuse the fraudulent online gambling business again and again and again...
boymimbo
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January 6th, 2013 at 6:14:01 AM permalink
I'm guessing that teliot won't use the phrase "fraudulent" or "rigged" because he may fear getting sued by the company if the software was truly a "bug". Gaffed means that there is a programmatical error in it, and right now, that's all we know.

Mind you, it's probably a very small step to jump to "ripoff" or "fraudulent" as the motive is there when possible.

Like with BLR, if a third party software is contracted with a casino and gets paid a share of revenue as a fee for using the software, then the software company has a huge interest in "gaffing" the software to get more revenues, hoping that the general public won't notice. This is what I believed happened with BLR. The casino might be fine with earning 1.4% of the action for a fair game (like craps), but the software company who might get say a 20% share of this might very well not be.

And since the software company is not dealing with the public and is usually located in another third world country, it might be worth the risk to them to try it.
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RaleighCraps
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January 6th, 2013 at 6:42:53 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

It's just a joke that anyone would do any gambling online aside from sports, which can't be rigged...



Really ????
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boymimbo
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January 6th, 2013 at 6:58:40 AM permalink
I don't gamble on line because of the ability for casinos to cheat and get away with it. (that, and the lack of discipline I would have). This extends to poker sites as well where insiders would be able to see all of the cards in play and make bets accordingly. As well, I really don't trust a casino in a third world country to pay me. I don't like providing my credit card number or checking account number to an operation who really has no one at the government level to account for.

I look forward to legalized online gambling in North America where cheating can be punishable with meaningful consequences and penalties. If and when that happens, I think it would open up a huge market where seniors and those who are too lazy to leave the house can donate their money to their local casino.
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sodawater
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January 6th, 2013 at 10:39:26 AM permalink
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