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AxelWolf
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July 20th, 2022 at 11:38:08 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

BillHasRetired even if a DI surpassed all of the requirements stated by the members of this forum they would never acknowledge Dice Influencing.

They'd say "variance" was responsible for the great results.

Stop wasting your time here.
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I would absolutely accept a slow-motion video that shows many shots where the dice are not bouncing around in a random manner enough to beat the house edge, along with some experts explaining why and how the influence is happening.

I would absolutely love it if DI was a real thing, there would be much money to be made.
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AlanMendelson
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July 21st, 2022 at 12:04:42 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: AlanMendelson

BillHasRetired even if a DI surpassed all of the requirements stated by the members of this forum they would never acknowledge Dice Influencing.

They'd say "variance" was responsible for the great results.

Stop wasting your time here.
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I would absolutely accept a slow-motion video that shows many shots where the dice are not bouncing around in a random manner enough to beat the house edge, along with some experts explaining why and how the influence is happening.

I would absolutely love it if DI was a real thing, there would be much money to be made.
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Would you believe me if I told you that's what the three DIs did at Caesars?

Would you believe me if I told you that's why I was thrown out of MGM Grand and NYNY and Bellagio?

No you wouldn't. Because Wizard will point out that I saw a random shooter throw 18 Yos in a row.

Okay then...

Go ahead and Google when I was interviewed in the LVRJ about the WYNN dice sliding case. The article is there. Just Google my name, LVRJ, Wynn dice sliding.

And check out my dice sliding video on YouTube. It's there too.

But even if there were such a video you'd say it wasn't real.
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July 21st, 2022 at 2:16:02 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson



Okay then...

Go ahead and Google when I was interviewed in the LVRJ about the WYNN dice sliding case. The article is there. Just Google my name, LVRJ, Wynn dice sliding.

And check out my dice sliding video on YouTube. It's there too.

But even if there were such a video you'd say it wasn't real.



Alan, thank you for your link re dice sliding - it was quite interesting

a few points - quote from the Nevada Gaming Control Board Chief - "it is a common form of cheating"

quote from you in the article - "dice sliding is so obvious that it's easy to stop. It would make no sense they could get away with that much money unless they had inside help."

I don't believe anybody here is saying that a person couldn't cheat via dice sliding and profit with or without compatriots

what posters here are saying is that it cannot be done with a legal toss

so, I believe your linked article, though interesting - is irrelevant



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https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/couple-accused-of-dice-sliding-at-wynn-las-vegas/



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July 21st, 2022 at 2:37:59 AM permalink
Yes, Lilredrooster says it correctly.

That's like me saying Baccarat can be beat. All you have to do is arrange for the dealer to do a false shuffle. Here is video of the Tran family beating Baccarat.

Dice SLIDING is illegal. That is controlling the dice no different than a dealer is controlling the cards in a false shuffle.

That you would get those confused is rather unnerving. Advantage Players are very keen to the difference. This may be why you are being battered on your arguments.

You mention the 18 yos in a row. I don't think anyone here would contradict that it could be done via cheating. Is that what you are trying to claim?
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AlanMendelson
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July 21st, 2022 at 2:57:24 AM permalink
It's not irrelevant. It shows that I know what I'm talking about even if you dont believe I saw a random shooter roll 18 yos in a row.

Dont ignore what I said about the 3 DIs.

They had legal throws. They hit (very gently) the lowest part of the back wall under the alligator bumps. They could do it because the tables were shorter then.

My dice also hit under the bumps when I was told to leave Bellagio. But after the fight with the dealers I actually got an apology from Bellagio management that my throws were Legal which is why I can play there again.

I can't go back to the other two casinos where I did the same thing.

And yes at Caesars too I had a minor incident over my throws. But I wasn't winning at craps so I acquiesced to their requests. I was more interested in video poker.

My point is DI can be accomplished with totally legal throws. That I know how to do "illegal" or questionable things at a craps table does not mean that I do them or that THE FEW TRUE DIs I'VE SEEN DO THEM.

Again, I mention the illegal and questionable just to illustrate I know my stuff.

So let's return to the subject at hand:

Why do you deny DI is possible? I admit it's a fine skill very few have. Why are you certain NO ONE has the skill?

Out of all the thousands of craps players how can you be certain no one influences two dice to win?

Look, I can slide dice and SOMETIMES I can have a soft roll that is the goal of a DI, but I admit I'm not a DI.

But how can you and the others be so sure no one can do it?

Is it because I saw someone roll 18 yos in a row?
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July 21st, 2022 at 3:02:51 AM permalink
By the way, my suspicions about the inside help at Wynn were correct. Several dealers were fired after an internal investigation.
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July 21st, 2022 at 3:11:04 AM permalink
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the burden of proof is upon those who say it is being done and can be done

it's all but impossible for the other side - for the nay sayers - to prove a negative

if there are those who can do it - somebody needs to step up to the plate and show a video stream of 1,000 rolls with a reputable gambling authority such as the Wizard

if it's too tiring - they can do it in several days

nobody has done that - that fact makes me very suspicious - other AP stuff such as blackjack card counting has been absolutely proven

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AlanMendelson
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July 21st, 2022 at 3:34:48 AM permalink
LLR I'm going to ask you again and please answer.

Out of all the thousands and thousands of craps players how can you be certain NO ONE has the skill to influence dice?

And...

Why would ANY true DI prove his ability? What's in it for him?

Why would any CARD COUNTER prove his ability?

So they can get banned?

This is why they use a hit and run strategy... to live another day.

Please answer my question. Remember there are thousands of craps players. And not all DIs sell courses in their garage.
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July 21st, 2022 at 3:47:47 AM permalink
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Why would ANY true DI prove his ability? What's in it for him?

Why would any CARD COUNTER prove his ability?

So they can get banned?

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Historically, if something is possible, it's not just the people who CAN do it that study the possibility but someone who has only a scientific interest.

Take card counting. Why would a card counter prove his ability? You should ask Thorpe why he did it. The answer is he wasn't interested in BEING a card counter. He was interested in being a scientist who could prove a theory.

When you ask your questions above, the counter argument is why hasn't there been any scientific study where it was proven PEER REVIEWED that dice control works.

There is enough interest that some science oriented person would conduct and prove beyond a doubt in a controlled and repeatable environment that dice control works.

With all the thousands of scientists, why hasn't that happened like it has for card counting?
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July 21st, 2022 at 4:19:45 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

LLR I'm going to ask you again and please answer.

Out of all the thousands and thousands of craps players how can you be certain NO ONE has the skill to influence dice?



I never said I was certain
I would say I'm very doubtful

especially about this character Sharpshooter (Pawlicki) who is the leading representative of this

people know his name and could easily find a pic of him - and if agreed to be tested a video would not have to show his face

he is selling lots of stuff - making money that way - people already know who he is - no proof - I have a very low regard for this dude

and once again, he is in business with Frank Scoblete who before DI was touting an obviously bogus counting system for craps he called the "Five Count"


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this is my last post on this subject - I've made my point of view very clear - no more words from me could be helpful


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