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AitchTheLetter
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July 21st, 2022 at 4:29:30 AM permalink
I would acknowledge DI if it was proven by empirical data. The problem with DI and it's "believers" is that it is an almost entirely anecdotal skill spoken about only in whispers and cloistered away from people who simply want to understand and quantify it so getting that data is basically impossible.
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odiousgambit
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July 21st, 2022 at 6:29:34 AM permalink
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Are you making a distinction between "setting" and "influence/control"?

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No, for the purposes of the poll, I'm making it the same thing ... it's not actually the same thing of course
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 
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July 21st, 2022 at 6:36:24 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

[snip] ... the 3 DIs.

They had legal throws. They hit (very gently) the lowest part of the back wall under the alligator bumps. They could do it because the tables were shorter then.
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I've seen where the alligator bumps go all the way down to the bottom. Mostly, though, tables have a spot just above the felt where there are none. Kind of remarkable.

Alan, I was hoping we would hear how long you observed these guys before you became convinced. did you vote?
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:14:39 AM permalink
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:22:42 AM permalink
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BillHasRetired even if a DI surpassed all of the requirements stated by the members of this forum they would never acknowledge Dice Influencing.

They'd say "variance" was responsible for the great results.

Stop wasting your time here.
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I would absolutely accept a slow-motion video that shows many shots where the dice are not bouncing around in a random manner enough to beat the house edge, along with some experts explaining why and how the influence is happening.

I would absolutely love it if DI was a real thing, there would be much money to be made.
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Would you believe me if I told you that's what the three DIs did at Caesars?

Would you believe me if I told you that's why I was thrown out of MGM Grand and NYNY and Bellagio?

No you wouldn't. Because Wizard will point out that I saw a random shooter throw 18 Yos in a row.

Okay then...

Go ahead and Google when I was interviewed in the LVRJ about the WYNN dice sliding case. The article is there. Just Google my name, LVRJ, Wynn dice sliding.

And check out my dice sliding video on YouTube. It's there too.

But even if there were such a video you'd say it wasn't real.
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I don't know if I would belive you are not. I certainly don't the Wizard to point out that you allegedly saw a random shooter throw 18 Yos in a row, I think I pointed that out before he did, even if you go back to your original post about it. Heck, I didn't even need the math done on that one to know it never happen. Just like I knew your son didn't hit 5 royals in one day, and I highly doubt you lost 20 hands(or whatever number you claim) of blackjack in a row(was that at the Sahara?) I might give you the 20 lost hands in a row because you probably played bad and hit hard 20s 😀.

The fact that you admit you are not a DI, and yet, they tossed you out... proves my point about the casinos having a knee-jerk reaction and a better safe than sorry attitude. The further you go back to when Dice Control(the name they used at the time) was in its heyday, especially after the Breaking Vegas episode came out, you will see a trend where the casinos were tossing people out left and right for attempting DI, not so much nowadays.

I don't need to google anything about dice sliding, I am well aware that's a proven way to manipulate a predictable outcome of the dice.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:24:58 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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I'm having this tee shirt made up - I should receive it in just 3 days

just in time for my trip to Atlantic City - I'll be playing craps for 10 hours straight 7 days in row - I'll be crushing many different casinos

casino hopping so my skills won't be detected___________________(-:/


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It should also say, 18 Yo's in a row... here I come.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:31:59 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

And not all DIs sell courses in their garage.
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They should be, because that's about the only way they are going to be making any money.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:32:28 AM permalink
What I find amazing is Alan believes in DI and yet doubted KewlJs claim about counting Down two blackjack tables simultaneously, which is trivial for anyone that masters counting.
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July 21st, 2022 at 7:44:38 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Quote: AlanMendelson

[snip] ... the 3 DIs.

They had legal throws. They hit (very gently) the lowest part of the back wall under the alligator bumps. They could do it because the tables were shorter then.
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I've seen where the alligator bumps go all the way down to the bottom. Mostly, though, tables have a spot just above the felt where there are none. Kind of remarkable.

Alan, I was hoping we would hear how long you observed these guys before you became convinced. did you vote?
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I'm not voting.

I've only seen tables with at least two inches before the bumps start.

You get a good idea something is different with a shooter with just one throw.
odiousgambit
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July 21st, 2022 at 8:24:33 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I'm not voting.

I've only seen tables with at least two inches before the bumps start.

You get a good idea something is different with a shooter with just one throw.
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I'll take that as a vote for item #1, thank you
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 

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