MrV
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December 7th, 2014 at 10:43:47 AM permalink
Quote: superrick

You are throwing square cubes 4 to 6 ft down the tables and when they hit they bounce, twist and flip all over the place!
The slow motion videos prove that the dice do not stay on axis, why do you think that these so-call experts do not have any videos of their dice staying on axis?



Yeah, what about pre-DI's, i.e. "unconscious rollers" such as "The Arm?"

And who can forget "The Captain?"

Where's the videos of them rolling dem bones?

By report they influenced the dice using force of will alone; certainly they were unschooled and had no particular DI methodology, but, by report, they won a lot.

Sure they did.

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JB85
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December 9th, 2014 at 9:16:53 AM permalink
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DeMango
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December 10th, 2014 at 12:22:57 AM permalink
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and the crowd is silenced.... and aparently also the previous post!
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superrick
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December 10th, 2014 at 11:51:32 AM permalink
So you want to be a DI and you wonder what a DI shot should look like, I will save you the trouble of doing a search for any slow motion videos. Now some of these are just down right laughable and others were only produced to sell their schools. You should have no problem picking out the commercially done ones! Some of the guys had good looking shots until they hit the table and started bouncing all over the place.

On the commercially done ones, you will notice that you really can't see what is happening with the dice. It's their way of showing their future customers really nothing at all.

Is there anybody you know in these videos?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FYrndlrpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0rAh1ug2Mk&list=UUUJo96xngJwaqh8rIk2whng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1FO4YsUA30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqiptZZotMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k467uPlLn3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXc2PXS114&index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkU458iCDiY&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hheh7c6J77Y&index=34&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOOULZHKNo0&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6NaIs8y_hE&index=37&list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiZf3jbjie0&list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-R8XYUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68pu1F0D_9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3_wQN7MELc

This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work! Just page down on the right side to see all of the videos he found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MrqyVrQWck&list=PL57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU

Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I
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MrV
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December 10th, 2014 at 1:10:50 PM permalink
Quote: superrick

Is there anybody you know in these videos?



One of em looked like Bigfoot, another looked like Santa, and the guy with the long ears and fluffy tail sure looked like the Easter Bunny.
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AlanMendelson
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December 14th, 2014 at 2:13:00 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

The real reason is Ahigh left. Without him posting, Alan stopped posting about 18 yo's in a row. Those two were worth 50 posts a day! Frank Scoblete doesn't have a new book to sell. No one takes seriously the posts of the sitter of dice. Many reasons indeed.



Ahigh influenced dice but not more than keeping them on the table.

The 18 yos in a row were made by a random roller.

Dice influencing is possible but discussing it here is impossible.
dicesitter
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December 17th, 2014 at 7:35:01 AM permalink
Alan


Nice post.... but I think you understand why those of us that work on the
dice throw stopped talking about it.

First... it always leads to the idea that if you can influence the dice then you should be
able to win every time you play. that is nonsense and that is why dice setting is
great for a casino.....a casino only loses on a number of days, but they win on all
other days, they win on every one that thinks they are better than they are. Also
a DI will bring people to an empty table.

Second.. if you want to really be good, at least for most of us it takes a godly amount
time and practice and you cant every quit.. and then many of us never really get good enough.

third..... you get these knuckleheads that demand every time you talk about influence you
prove something or another...

fourth....the vast majority of people talking about dice influence have no idea at all what it
really looks like.

You have been playing as long as I have been and if you want discuss stuff that would be
great, but not on this public forum, it always leads to the same old b.s.


dicesetter
Kerkebet
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December 17th, 2014 at 10:05:41 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Dice influencing is possible but discussing it here is impossible.



Then don't try to claim that it's possible at all.

DI, like all the rest has always been a relatively huge joke compared to the advantages claimed. A more basic example, anybody can learn to count cards to find themselves as quickly and terminally expelled from the games for that alone. Go to the casinos on a regular basis, look for the internet AP counters. You won't find anybody doing that as a profession. In fact, there are simple physics arguments which debunk the DI stuff out of hand. But, this certainly isn't a physics, or for that matter a math, board, so I won't waste my time. Look, go to a physics board for the laughter.

The AP's who claim their methods work, beyond what I noted in the above paragraph, in public do the same as any other type of system player. They claim that they can't produce the arguments for obvious reasons.

Go write a book, make a million over night if it's so easy. Heck, even most of the people who don't frequent the internet who buy the counting stuff will gladly admit it's all over hyped. Go to the universities in Nevada to read the hard to get expensive stuff for free.

Furthermore, Alan's a self-professed loser year in and out. What does that tell you about his more far-fetched claims? Alan's good at the boring infomercial stuff; and his own toady board follows the same template.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
petroglyph
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December 17th, 2014 at 12:02:46 PM permalink
Quote: Kerkebet

Quote:

In fact, there are simple physics arguments which debunk the DI stuff out of hand.

I think physics is the only proof there is about the validity of di.

Quote:

But, this certainly isn't a physics, or for that matter a math, board,

Been around long?
superrick
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December 17th, 2014 at 1:45:59 PM permalink
Quote: Kerkebet

Then don't try to claim that it's possible at all.

DI, like all the rest has always been a relatively huge joke compared to the advantages claimed. A more basic example, anybody can learn to count cards to find themselves as quickly and terminally expelled from the games for that alone. In fact, there are simple physics arguments which debunk the DI stuff out of hand.
The AP's who claim their methods work, beyond what I noted in the above paragraph, in public do the same as any other type of system player. They claim that they can't produce the arguments for obvious reasons.

Go write a book, make a million over night if it's so easy. Heck, even most of the people who don't frequent the internet who buy the counting stuff will gladly admit it's all over hyped. Go to the universities in Nevada to read the hard to get expensive stuff for free.


You have to remember that the on axis craps boards are driven by entrepreneurs that are looking to make a fast buck off of their students. They are selling a magic bullet that doesn't work, all of the time .

One of the ways that they get away with it is by telling their students that they should only bet on the 6's and 8's! Their shots are set up to make those two numbers and they give their students a positive reinforcement every time they hit one of those numbers, by patting them on the back.

One of the funniest craps videos I ever saw that was produced by one of the schools that had their students trying to make the 7's, every time they hit one the instructors went wild. Their poor students to realize, that the 7's are the easiest numbers to hit!

With the invention of cheap slow-motion cameras the rest of the craps playing world can now see what happens when the dice hits the tables. What happens is the dice bounce all over the place , twisting and turning as they do so! See the above post that I put up with all of the videos in this thread.

Everybody calls me a DI, but I know that my dice do not stay on axis and I also know that my best looking shot I ever made can be a seven out.
Just because you are getting lucky and you are setting the dice, there is a very good chance of the casino taking the dice away from you or trying everything they can to get you to seven out.

Yes if your any good at what you do and the casinos see you to much they will ban you from shooting.

It all boils down to all of the fiction that is being written ever day by the great fiction writers,... day after day about the so-called DI's and becoming a so-called DI. Those DI craps boards are run buy someone trying to sell their product. They allow the great fiction writers to keep writing their fiction so it will drive their sales. These fiction writers make some of the most outrageous claims to fame that you will ever hear, like the SRR of 28.

The students of these classes believe the fiction they are reading and so do the casinos. Their great fiction writer has been writing about craps since the late 70's if you happen to read his book. Here you have a guy that nobody has ever met and the DI boards are still promote him so they can sell their BS!

The so-called DI's brag about what they say they can do, and the stupid casinos believe it, so much so that they have made their tables so bouncy that they dice do not stay on the table when anybody throws them.
If the dice are not on the tables, the stupid casinos are not making money, talk about bad casino management.

But now days that is all you have when you are talking about casino management. These guys need to go back to school and learn how to run a casino. Maybe that is why we are now seeing casinos closing down. They are running off losers that are just getting lucky, that they feel are a threat to their bottom line, because they are setting the dice.

The videos are there for anybody to see, there has not been one that can show the dice staying on axis when any so-called DI is shooting. The guys that run these on axis craps shooting schools stay in business by running off anybody that questions what they are selling. If you are reading fiction on one of their boards why in the world would you take a class from them? What happened to good old common sense?
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