CrystalMath
CrystalMath
Joined: May 10, 2011
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 1907
October 28th, 2011 at 1:12:49 PM permalink
If it were a game with 50/50 odds, I estimate that the probability of 843 or fewer wins in 3200 to be 5.5E-10790 .

(ie impossible)

edit: I calculated that wrong. Now I think it is 2.86E-164 .
I heart Crystal Math.
DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
  • Threads: 191
  • Posts: 10548
October 28th, 2011 at 3:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's far from impossible...

OK. I retract that comment...
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ 覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧 Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
clempops4
clempops4
Joined: Oct 23, 2011
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 21
October 28th, 2011 at 4:40:32 PM permalink
Most bets were on the dont pass but about 500 were on the pass line. Below are the number of times I come out each number 4, 5, 6 ,8, 9 and 10 and the win/ loss.
These are for the dont pass line only. The chart will read a little different when posted. The number 4 come out 207 times and I won only 83 while losing 124 when I should expect to win 2 of 3 times.

Number Count Win Loss
4 207 83 124
5 321 103 218
6 372 109 263
8 352 105 247
9 328 105 223
10 233 98 135
clempops4
clempops4
Joined: Oct 23, 2011
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 21
October 28th, 2011 at 4:43:03 PM permalink
That is pretty close to my calculation. It is pretty obvious that I was cheated but they say that there is no abnomalities in their program.
clempops4
clempops4
Joined: Oct 23, 2011
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 21
October 28th, 2011 at 4:53:38 PM permalink
I did not video the 27 of 114 bets or the 126 wins of 450 bets but I do have video of the 3200 bets in real time. I believe that e-154 is the correct number. But my situation is how do I convince them that there is something wrong with ther program?
CrystalMath
CrystalMath
Joined: May 10, 2011
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 1907
October 28th, 2011 at 5:20:18 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I did not video the 27 of 114 bets or the 126 wins of 450 bets but I do have video of the 3200 bets in real time. I believe that e-154 is the correct number. But my situation is how do I convince them that there is something wrong with ther program?



They said that there was nothing abnormal with their program. They did not, however, tell you that the game was fair. You got absolutely shafted.
I heart Crystal Math.
dwheatley
dwheatley
Joined: Nov 16, 2009
  • Threads: 25
  • Posts: 1246
October 28th, 2011 at 5:25:43 PM permalink
So, what to do next? Name & Shame. Tell us, tell casinomeister, tell everybody! Maybe the bad publicity will help them change their attitude. It has worked before.
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it
DorothyGale
DorothyGale
Joined: Nov 23, 2009
  • Threads: 40
  • Posts: 639
October 28th, 2011 at 6:07:17 PM permalink
While placing a minimum bet, record each pair of dice [x,y] for as many tosses as you can stand and then condense your records and post your results in this form ...

[1,1] = ...
[1,2] = ...

...

[5,6] = ...
[6,6] = ...

Then post them here ...

Don't worry about what bet you are making ... just record the frequency of each ordered pair ...

Better yet, request a log file of your play ... once you have all the details, someone will tell you what to do next ...

And if you happen to want to mention the site, I am sure we'd like to try it for ourselves ...

--Ms. D.
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"
clempops4
clempops4
Joined: Oct 23, 2011
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 21
October 28th, 2011 at 7:22:01 PM permalink
I did record and video 3200 rolls. Here is the first 100 rolls reading across. I had one losing streak of 13 in a row in this 100 rolls. x = loser c = winner. It is 58,000,000 to 1 against losing 78 or more and it happened 4 times in my 32 blocks of 100 rolls. I rolled a 7 or 11 26 times and did not roll a 2 or 3 once.

14-May W L W L
5x 4x 10x 6x 9c 6x 8c 4c 6c 11x 4 6
11x 7x 8x 9x 8c 5x 6x 11x 11x 4c 2 8
9x 5x 5c 10x 4x 8c 10c 7x 6x 6x 3 7
6c 8x 7x 4x 6x 7x 5c 5x 8c 11x 3 7
4x 10c 8x 6c 6c 7x 7x 6x 9c 11x 4 6
7x 7x 11x 10x 4x 7x 9x 8c 9x 9x 1 9
6x 5x 5c 10x 10x 11x 9x 9x 4c 10x 2 8
10x 5c 9x 7x 7x 7x 9x 6x 11x 8x 1 9
6x 7x 6x 10c 8x 6x 7x 10x 7x 5x 1 9
8c 6x 9x 7x 5x 11x 7x 6x 5x 9x 1 9 22 78
DorothyGale
DorothyGale
Joined: Nov 23, 2009
  • Threads: 40
  • Posts: 639
October 28th, 2011 at 7:37:17 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4


5x 4x 10x 6x 9c 6x 8c 4c 6c 11x 4 6
11x 7x 8x 9x 8c 5x 6x 11x 11x 4c 2 8
9x 5x 5c 10x 4x 8c 10c 7x 6x 6x 3 7
6c 8x 7x 4x 6x 7x 5c 5x 8c 11x 3 7
4x 10c 8x 6c 6c 7x 7x 6x 9c 11x 4 6
7x 7x 11x 10x 4x 7x 9x 8c 9x 9x 1 9
6x 5x 5c 10x 10x 11x 9x 9x 4c 10x 2 8
10x 5c 9x 7x 7x 7x 9x 6x 11x 8x 1 9
6x 7x 6x 10c 8x 6x 7x 10x 7x 5x 1 9
8c 6x 9x 7x 5x 11x 7x 6x 5x 9x 1 9 22 78


How can a 5, 4 10 and 6 be losers if you are playing either pass or don't?I don't get it.

The expected number of "2 or 3" in 100 rolls is (3/36)*100 = 8.3, with standard deviation 2.76, so you are right at the third standard deviation, weird but not definitive ...

The expected number of "7 or 11" in 100 rolls is (8/36)*100 = 22.2, with standard deviation 4.16, so your result on that account is normal ...

I'm not convinced ...

--Ms. D.
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"

  • Jump to: