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October 28th, 2011 at 8:50:18 AM permalink
I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:06:13 AM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.



You won 25% of your decisions? In 3200 trials, that's not even improbable let alone impossible.
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:27:25 AM permalink
depends on what bets you're making
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:36:06 AM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.



Go to a REAL, live casino.
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:49:55 AM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I was playing craps on a sports betting site that apparaently contracts out the casino and takes a percentage of the win. I was winning for a while averaging slightly over 50% but all of a suddden I begin losing most of my bets. I emailed my agent that I won only 27 of 114 bets and then followed with 126 wins of 450 bets. He told me I was just running bad. I knew I was being cheated so I decided to run a number so far out that it would be impossible to deny. I made 3200 decisions that I won only 843 and lost 2347. I documented these rolls in blocks of 100 each, the best block I won 37 bets and the worst I won 22 bets which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks. The response I got was that they checked their software and did not find any abnrmalities. I need suggestions on what I should do next.

When you say you won 843 and lost 2347 decisions, won and lost what? What is the decision you are winning and losing? Are you making pass line bets? Come bets? Proposition bets? A mixture? You are giving no useful information ...

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October 28th, 2011 at 10:00:39 AM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

When you say you won 843 and lost 2347 decisions, won and lost what? What is the decision you are winning and losing? Are you making pass line bets? Come bets? Proposition bets? A mixture? You are giving no useful information ...



Couldn't have said it better myself.
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October 28th, 2011 at 10:05:39 AM permalink
Quote:

Impossible 843 of 3200 wins


That's far from impossible...
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:04:47 PM permalink
If it is pass line bets, I would say it's damn near impossible.
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:11:35 PM permalink
I agree. That is way off the charts for the pass/DP lines. Now, if there are other bets mixed in there, the results are meaningless.

But if that is pass line resolutions, the OP has a reason to be concerned.

The #s break excel's binomdist() function. Even 85 successes (or worse) in 320 trials is in the range of e-17. I estimate the actual results are on the order of e-150.
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:11:49 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

If it is pass line bets, I would say it's damn near impossible.



Agreed, of course.
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:12:49 PM permalink
If it were a game with 50/50 odds, I estimate that the probability of 843 or fewer wins in 3200 to be 5.5E-10790 .

(ie impossible)

edit: I calculated that wrong. Now I think it is 2.86E-164 .
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October 28th, 2011 at 3:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

That's far from impossible...

OK. I retract that comment...
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October 28th, 2011 at 4:40:32 PM permalink
Most bets were on the dont pass but about 500 were on the pass line. Below are the number of times I come out each number 4, 5, 6 ,8, 9 and 10 and the win/ loss.
These are for the dont pass line only. The chart will read a little different when posted. The number 4 come out 207 times and I won only 83 while losing 124 when I should expect to win 2 of 3 times.

Number Count Win Loss
4 207 83 124
5 321 103 218
6 372 109 263
8 352 105 247
9 328 105 223
10 233 98 135
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October 28th, 2011 at 4:43:03 PM permalink
That is pretty close to my calculation. It is pretty obvious that I was cheated but they say that there is no abnomalities in their program.
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October 28th, 2011 at 4:53:38 PM permalink
I did not video the 27 of 114 bets or the 126 wins of 450 bets but I do have video of the 3200 bets in real time. I believe that e-154 is the correct number. But my situation is how do I convince them that there is something wrong with ther program?
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October 28th, 2011 at 5:20:18 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I did not video the 27 of 114 bets or the 126 wins of 450 bets but I do have video of the 3200 bets in real time. I believe that e-154 is the correct number. But my situation is how do I convince them that there is something wrong with ther program?



They said that there was nothing abnormal with their program. They did not, however, tell you that the game was fair. You got absolutely shafted.
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October 28th, 2011 at 5:25:43 PM permalink
So, what to do next? Name & Shame. Tell us, tell casinomeister, tell everybody! Maybe the bad publicity will help them change their attitude. It has worked before.
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October 28th, 2011 at 6:07:17 PM permalink
While placing a minimum bet, record each pair of dice [x,y] for as many tosses as you can stand and then condense your records and post your results in this form ...

[1,1] = ...
[1,2] = ...

...

[5,6] = ...
[6,6] = ...

Then post them here ...

Don't worry about what bet you are making ... just record the frequency of each ordered pair ...

Better yet, request a log file of your play ... once you have all the details, someone will tell you what to do next ...

And if you happen to want to mention the site, I am sure we'd like to try it for ourselves ...

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October 28th, 2011 at 7:22:01 PM permalink
I did record and video 3200 rolls. Here is the first 100 rolls reading across. I had one losing streak of 13 in a row in this 100 rolls. x = loser c = winner. It is 58,000,000 to 1 against losing 78 or more and it happened 4 times in my 32 blocks of 100 rolls. I rolled a 7 or 11 26 times and did not roll a 2 or 3 once.

14-May W L W L
5x 4x 10x 6x 9c 6x 8c 4c 6c 11x 4 6
11x 7x 8x 9x 8c 5x 6x 11x 11x 4c 2 8
9x 5x 5c 10x 4x 8c 10c 7x 6x 6x 3 7
6c 8x 7x 4x 6x 7x 5c 5x 8c 11x 3 7
4x 10c 8x 6c 6c 7x 7x 6x 9c 11x 4 6
7x 7x 11x 10x 4x 7x 9x 8c 9x 9x 1 9
6x 5x 5c 10x 10x 11x 9x 9x 4c 10x 2 8
10x 5c 9x 7x 7x 7x 9x 6x 11x 8x 1 9
6x 7x 6x 10c 8x 6x 7x 10x 7x 5x 1 9
8c 6x 9x 7x 5x 11x 7x 6x 5x 9x 1 9 22 78
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October 28th, 2011 at 7:37:17 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4


5x 4x 10x 6x 9c 6x 8c 4c 6c 11x 4 6
11x 7x 8x 9x 8c 5x 6x 11x 11x 4c 2 8
9x 5x 5c 10x 4x 8c 10c 7x 6x 6x 3 7
6c 8x 7x 4x 6x 7x 5c 5x 8c 11x 3 7
4x 10c 8x 6c 6c 7x 7x 6x 9c 11x 4 6
7x 7x 11x 10x 4x 7x 9x 8c 9x 9x 1 9
6x 5x 5c 10x 10x 11x 9x 9x 4c 10x 2 8
10x 5c 9x 7x 7x 7x 9x 6x 11x 8x 1 9
6x 7x 6x 10c 8x 6x 7x 10x 7x 5x 1 9
8c 6x 9x 7x 5x 11x 7x 6x 5x 9x 1 9 22 78


How can a 5, 4 10 and 6 be losers if you are playing either pass or don't?I don't get it.

The expected number of "2 or 3" in 100 rolls is (3/36)*100 = 8.3, with standard deviation 2.76, so you are right at the third standard deviation, weird but not definitive ...

The expected number of "7 or 11" in 100 rolls is (8/36)*100 = 22.2, with standard deviation 4.16, so your result on that account is normal ...

I'm not convinced ...

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October 28th, 2011 at 9:08:21 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

How can a 5, 4 10 and 6 be losers if you are playing either pass or don't?I don't get it.



If he's playing the pass line, then this is caused by sevening out, right?

He never hit a 2, 3, or 12. The odds of this are 1:130,392. Not astronomical, but not likely.

When he got 6's, he won 4/18 times. This has a 3.8% chance.

When he got 9's, he won 2/13 times. This has a 5.8% chance.

We definitely need to see more data.
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:22:43 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

If he's playing the pass line, then this is caused by sevening out, right?

He never hit a 2, 3, or 12. The odds of this are 1:130,392. Not astronomical, but not likely.

When he got 6's, he won 4/18 times. This has a 3.8% chance.

When he got 9's, he won 2/13 times. This has a 5.8% chance.

We definitely need to see more data.


Near the top of the previous page, he noted that most bets were on the don't pass. Losing on a point would mean making it, rather than a seven out. I think this probably means that the low frequencies of wins on point numbers have even lower probabilities of occurring than you calculated, though I haven't performed the calculations and may have misinterpreted your numbers.
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:27:52 PM permalink
At this point I don't trust his data -- I think something is missing here ... I need a roll by roll to understand what he is really reporting ... Occam's razor does not favor this poster ...
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:39:18 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Near the top of the previous page, he noted that most bets were on the don't pass. Losing on a point would mean making it, rather than a seven out. I think this probably means that the low frequencies of wins on point numbers have even lower probabilities of occurring than you calculated, though I haven't performed the calculations and may have misinterpreted your numbers.



Oops, you're right. 7 and 11 were losses - these were don't pass bets and the odds are worse than what I calculated.
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October 28th, 2011 at 10:17:03 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I did record and video 3200 rolls. Here is the first 100 rolls reading across. I had one losing streak of 13 in a row in this 100 rolls. x = loser c = winner. It is 58,000,000 to 1 against losing 78 or more and it happened 4 times in my 32 blocks of 100 rolls. I rolled a 7 or 11 26 times and did not roll a 2 or 3 once.

14-May W L W L
5x 4x 10x 6x 9c 6x 8c 4c 6c 11x 4 6
11x 7x 8x 9x 8c 5x 6x 11x 11x 4c 2 8
9x 5x 5c 10x 4x 8c 10c 7x 6x 6x 3 7
6c 8x 7x 4x 6x 7x 5c 5x 8c 11x 3 7
4x 10c 8x 6c 6c 7x 7x 6x 9c 11x 4 6
7x 7x 11x 10x 4x 7x 9x 8c 9x 9x 1 9
6x 5x 5c 10x 10x 11x 9x 9x 4c 10x 2 8
10x 5c 9x 7x 7x 7x 9x 6x 11x 8x 1 9
6x 7x 6x 10c 8x 6x 7x 10x 7x 5x 1 9
8c 6x 9x 7x 5x 11x 7x 6x 5x 9x 1 9 22 78



I think what he means to say instead of rolls is resolved bets. In the first line across, the point was established as "5" the x denotes that the bet was lost after an unspecified series of rolls. Next point established was a "4" which also lost. The row finishes with a winning point "6" roll followed immediately by an "11", a loss. The 4 6 at the end means he only won 4 of the 10 points while losing the other 6.
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October 29th, 2011 at 6:53:26 AM permalink
This interpretation of the table looks right. So, 22 wins out of 100 resolved DP bets is pretty fishy. The odds of this result or worse are about 1 in 13 million.

This is only one block of 100 trials. If the others are similarly bad, this is a no contest incident of cheating.
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October 29th, 2011 at 9:42:54 AM permalink
I keep coming up with 1 in 57,306,590 which happened 4 times out of the 32 blocks of 100. The best record was 37 wins and 63 losses. All but six sessions were bet on the dont pass and the bottom six were bet on the pass line.

W L
22 78
29 71
23 77
25 75
34 66
30 70
25 75
22 78
24 76
27 73
31 69
23 77
25 75
24 76
22 78
23 77
30 70
31 69
27 73
37 63
28 72
29 71
26 74
24 76
27 73
23 77
30 70
25 75
22 78
29 71
27 73
29 71
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October 29th, 2011 at 9:50:18 AM permalink
I put 4 videos on youtube. I believe the first video is this one. There is some lagging but if you follow closely you will see each result.

14-May W L W L
5x 4x 10x 6x 9c 6x 8c 4c 6c 11x 4 6
11x 7x 8x 9x 8c 5x 6x 11x 11x 4c 2 8
9x 5x 5c 10x 4x 8c 10c 7x 6x 6x 3 7
6c 8x 7x 4x 6x 7x 5c 5x 8c 11x 3 7
4x 10c 8x 6c 6c 7x 7x 6x 9c 11x 4 6
7x 7x 11x 10x 4x 7x 9x 8c 9x 9x 1 9
6x 5x 5c 10x 10x 11x 9x 9x 4c 10x 2 8
10x 5c 9x 7x 7x 7x 9x 6x 11x 8x 1 9
6x 7x 6x 10c 8x 6x 7x 10x 7x 5x 1 9
8c 6x 9x 7x 5x 11x 7x 6x 5x 9x 1 9 22 78


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpRDZWF44Rs&feature=feedu
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October 29th, 2011 at 9:51:10 AM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

So, what to do next? Name & Shame. Tell us, tell casinomeister, tell everybody! Maybe the bad publicity will help them change their attitude. It has worked before.



I think your case could be cleaned up a bit. Strike that, a LOT. Perhaps a breakdown of how often you won each pass and don't pass bet. A breakdown by the COR would be even better.

I'm not saying you were not cheated but if you're going to make the accusation the evidence should be presented in as organized a fashion as possible. I'm available to analyze any results but you have to explain them better.
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October 29th, 2011 at 11:41:15 AM permalink
OK, I watched the entire video and recorded every roll of the dice ... then I did some chi-squared testing on the "come out" roll and the rolls after the come out roll ... based on this analysis, both the come out roll and subsequent rolls are at the edge of being statistically normal, but not over the edge.

I'll leave the data here so someone else can do additional statistical tests. Something seems very funny, I agree. But ...

I would be very helpful if you could organize your data in the same way ... and make as much of it available as you can ...

Here are my summary results:



Overall
Roll Number EXP Chi
2 11 9.78 0.15
3 10 19.56 4.67
4 19 29.33 3.64
5 56 39.11 7.29
6 55 48.89 0.76
7 52 58.67 0.76
8 48 48.89 0.02
9 47 39.11 1.59
10 26 29.33 0.38
11 16 19.56 0.65
12 12 9.78 0.51
Total 352 20.41
0.0256

Come out roll
Roll Number EXP Chi
2 0 2.78 2.78
3 0 5.56 5.56
4 8 8.33 0.01
5 22 11.11 10.67
6 14 13.89 0.00
7 20 16.67 0.67
8 10 13.89 1.09
9 13 11.11 0.32
10 8 8.33 0.01
11 3 5.56 1.18
12 2 2.78 0.22
Total 100 22.50
0.0127

Other rolls
Roll Number EXP Chi
2 11 7.00 2.29
3 10 14.00 1.14
4 11 21.00 4.76
5 34 28.00 1.29
6 41 35.00 1.03
7 32 42.00 2.38
8 38 35.00 0.26
9 34 28.00 1.29
10 18 21.00 0.43
11 13 14.00 0.07
12 10 7.00 1.29
Total 252 16.21
0.0937






All data (note -- I may have mixed up 1 or 2 of these, but not enough to change this in any meaningful way).


4 12 11 6 9 8 11 8 7
5 8 6 8 5
7
6 7
5 6 5
7
7
7
7
4 7

5 8 8 10 7
4 8 11 11 7
4 10 7
8 8
10 8 11 7
12 7
7
5 6 11 7
8 6 5 6 8
11

10 7
9 5 5 4 9
7
7
6 10 8 6
5 6 5
5 10 7
5 5
6 12 2 7
5 6 6 12 5

10 10
7
7
7
8 8
9 7
9 9
7
9 7
8 7

5 9 10 6 9 6 4 9 5
8 9 2 8
7
4 8 11 9 5 2 4
6 6
8 6 11 6 3 3 7
8 9 5 8
7
6 8 8 2 8 10 7
6 7

9 3 2 12 10 4 3 8 7
9 9
5 5
7
7
5 5
10 7
6 11 5 2 3 10 5 12 6
9 6 11 10 6 2 6 4 10 5 5 9
8 10 6 5 8

5 11 9 8 6 11 8 8 9 8 5
10 7
7
9 6 8 5 9
4 12 4
6 7
5 6 5
8 6 7
9 6 9
5 2 6 12 12 9 4 12 6 10 5

6 5 6
6 8 6
6 9 6
11
4 9 6 9 7
7
5 9 12 5
4 2 8 6 2 5 7
5 6 9 8 8 8 9 8 9 10 5
7

5 5
9 10 8 6 10 4 9
5 6 7
9 3 9
7
5 5
5 11 8 9 10 8 9 3 5
8 6 6 4 4 7
11
5 8 9 5

10 4 3 9 5 5 6 3 7
9 5 9
5 7
6 9 9 6
9 8 9
6 8 6
10 5 3 7
6 9 10 2 8 6
10 7
12 7


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October 29th, 2011 at 8:06:02 PM permalink
I hope this is more clear. Although the times that a 4,5,6,7 etc came up approxiamately the correct amount the wins vs losses is off considerably.

I made 32 blocks of 100 bets totaling 3200 bets over a period of several weeks. Beginning May 14th I won 22 bets and lost 78 bets. This may not seem like much but the odds of only winning 22 bets is roughly 1 in 58,000,000. This could actually happen but of the 32 blocks of 100 bets this happened to me 4 times and there were 11 other blocks of 100 that the odds were over 1,000,000 to one and up to 17,000,000 to one against happening. My best block of 100 bets I won 37 bets and lost 63 bets. The odds of winning 37 bets or less is 1 in 120. Of all the 32 blocks of 100 bets that I made none was better than this session. The above chart shows what happened each session and the probability of as close to impossible that it might as well be said that it is impossible.


Each session results and probability
W L Binomial odds calculation
22 78 1 in 58,000,000
29 71 1 in 34,000
23 77 1 in 17,000,000
25 75 1 in 1,750,000
34 66 1 in 700
30 70 1 in 14,000
25 75 1 in 1,750,000
22 78 1 in 58,000,000
24 76 1 in 5,340,000
27 73 1 in 220,000
31 69 1 in 6,000
23 77 1 in 17,000,000
25 75 1 in 1,750,000
24 76 1 in 5,340,000
22 78 1 in 58,000,000
23 77 1 in 17,000,000
30 70 1 in 14,000
31 69 1 in 6,000
27 73 1 in 220,000
37 63 1 in 120
28 72 1 in 85,000
29 71 1 in 34,000
26 74 1 in 600,000
24 76 1 in 5,340,000
27 73 1 in 220,000
23 77 1 in 17,000,000
30 70 1 in 14,000
25 75 1 in 1,750,000
22 78 1 in 58,000,000
29 71 1 in 34,000
27 73 1 in 220,000
29 71 1 in 34,000



What this chart shows is the decisions when the come out roll was a 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10. Once the come out roll lands on one of these numbers I become 6/5, 3/2 or 2/1 favorite to win my Don’t pass.
Example: When the Don’t Pass out was a 4 I became a 2-1 favorite to with that decision but out of 207 decisions I won only 83 (40%) and lost 124 decisions.

All six categories I won less that 50 % of my bets although I should have won about 60% of my bets.

Don’t Pass ...... wins ... losses... Binomial calculation approximate odds
4... 2 to 1... 207 ....83 ...124... ..1 in 1,000,.000,000 000,000
5... 3 to 2... 321 ...103 ...218... 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
6... 6 to 5... 372 ...109 ...263... 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

8... 6 to 5... 352 ...105 ...247... 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000
9... 3 to 2... 328 ...105 ...223... 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
10.. 2 to 1... 233 ...98 ...135... 1 in 1,000,.000,000 000




The odds of winning only 843 bets out of 3200 is

.000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,340,894,340,662,349


Shown below is the consectutive losing streaks. Example: During the 3200 rolls I lost 14 in a row 6 times.
Consecutive
losing streak Binomial calculation approximate odds
10 in row...1 in 909... happened 8 times
11......... 1 in 1757... happened 8 times
12......... 1 in 3472... happened 2 times
13......... 1 in 7142... happened 4 times
14......... 1 in 13,513... happened 6 times
15......... 1 in 26,666... happened 4 times
17......... 1 in 103.519... happened 1 time
18......... 1 in 204,498... happened 2 times
19 in row.. 1 in 403,225... happened 1 time

consecutive wins
4 wins in row 9 times
5 wins in row 2 times
6 wins in row 2 times



This chart shows my winning and losing streaks. In a normal series of 3200 rolls I should have a consecutive losing streak of 12 bets only one time on average. I had 20 losing streaks of 12 or more. My best run was 6 consecutive win which occurred twice.


Norman
DorothyGale
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October 29th, 2011 at 8:26:27 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I hope this is more clear.

No Norman, it is not more clear ... it is more of the same ... you need to provide data the way statisticians can use it, which is raw data, not processed data ... your exact rolls -- [dice 1, dice 2] ... the gang here can find the exact bias if it exists, that is, see exactly how they programmed their engine if it is rouge ... without raw data, this is just a matter of faith in you ... which of course, after seeing your You Tube, I have faith, but I don't have enough data ...

--Ms. D.
"Who would have thought a good little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness!"
clempops4
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October 29th, 2011 at 8:33:13 PM permalink
Below are the 3200 rolls in blocks of 100 bets each. You will notice when I bet the pass line I threw more 2's and 3's and all other numbers turned.
These are all on film and the first 400 bets I put on youtube.

All bets are dont Pass except final 600 shown as Pass line bets
x=loss c= win

14-May ...................................... W... L ...........W ....L
5x 4x 10x 6x 9c 6x 8c 4c 6c 11x .....4 ...6
11x 7x 8x 9x 8c 5x 6x 11x 11x 4c ...2 ...8
9x 5x 5c 10x 4x 8c 10c 7x 6x 6x .....3 ...7
6c 8x 7x 4x 6x 7x 5c 5x 8c 11x .......3 ...7
4x 10c 8x 6c 6c 7x 7x 6x 9c 11x .....4 ...6
7x 7x 11x 10x 4x 7x 9x 8c 9x 9x ......1 ...9
6x 5x 5c 10x 10x 11x 9x 9x 4c 10x ..2 ...8
10x 5c 9x 7x 7x 7x 9x 6x 11x 8x ......1 ...9
6x 7x 6x 10c 8x 6x 7x 10x 7x 5x .....1 ...9
8c 6x 9x 7x 5x 11x 7x 6x 5x 9x .......1 ...9 ........22 ........78
15-May
9x 6x 7x 4c 10x 6x 10x 10c 8c 5x 3 7
7x 4x 9c 8x 9x 4x 5c 7x 4c 7x 3 7
9x 8x 9c 6x 8x 11x 7x 6x 10x 6x 1 9
9x 7x 5x 6x 6x 6x 9c 6c 5x 9x 2 8
8x 7x 4x 9c 8x 9x 5x 10x 9c 7x 2 8
6x 2c 7x 9c 7x 8c 6x 7x 5c 10c 5 5
11x 8x 9c 7x 8x 5x 10c 10c 5c 4x 4 6
10x 7x 11x 7x 8x 7x 9c 10x 5c 8x 2 8
5x 5x 6c 6x 5x 9c 6c 10x 6x 9x 3 7
7x 4x 7x 10x 10x 6c 7x 8c 2c 3c 4 6 ........29 ........71
15-May
6x 6c 9x 9x 6x 7x 6c 9x 5c 5x 3 7
11x 8x 5x 9x 7x 8x 10c 8x 8x 8c 2 8
11x 8x 7x 5c 11x 11x 8x 7x 7x 7x 1 9
5x 11x 11x 5x 8x 7x 6x 7x 6x 4c 1 9
8x 8x 7x 4x 11x 11x 6c 7x 7x 7x 1 9
9c 8c 6x 9c 4x 7x 10c 6x 7x 6x 4 6
11x 6c 3c 8x 7x 9x 6x 8c 10c 11x 4 6
4x 7x 7x 5x 7x 8c 5c 4c 6x 7x 3 7
4x 4c 7x 10x 7x 6x 4x 6x 7x 2c 2 8
11x 7x 8x 7x 7x 10c 10x 10c 7x 4x 2 8 ........23 ........77
16-May
11x 5x 9c 10c 7x 10x 10c 5x 4x 11x 3 7
7x 4x 10c 9x 8x 7x 11x 5c 5x 7x 2 8
7x 6x 6c 5c 10x 9x 7x 6x 4x 6x 2 8
7x 5x 5x 6x 11x 7x 11x 9x 10c 2c 2 8
9x 7x 6x 7x 10x 8x 6x 10x 9c 5c 2 8
6c 7x 10c 7x 3c 8x 5c 8x 5x 8x 4 6
10x 5c 10c 8x 7x 4x 5x 7x 8x 10c 3 7
7x 6x 10x 4x 9x 7x 8c 9x 9c 6x 2 8
9c 4x 7x 4c 7x 2c 5x 7x 9c 11x 4 6
8c 6x 8x 7x 9x 5x 4x 6x 8x 5x 1 9 ........25 ........75
17-May
8c 8c 8x 11x 7x 11x 6x 3c 5x 10x 3 7
8c 10c 8x 5x 9x 9x 7x 11x 10x 9c 3 7
9c 4x 7x 8c 9x 5x 6c 10c 4c 5c 6 4
11x 4c 9c 11x 6c 4c 7x 6x 6x 9c 5 5
8x 4x 7x 7x 9c 7x 4c 7x 8x 9x 2 8
5c 8x 5c 7x 7x 3c 5x 8x 7x 10x 3 7
11x 9c 9c 3c 10c 7x 9x 2c 6x 4x 5 5
4x 4c 8c 9x 7x 6x 7x 8c 5x 5c 4 6
7x 4x 5x 7x 10c 8x 7x 4x 7x 6x 1 9
9x 11x 9c 7x 8x 7x 6x 5c 11x 5x 2 8 ........34 ........66
20-May
8c 7x 7x 8c 10x 7x 10c 8x 7x 9x 3 7
6c 6c 9x 9x 10c 8c 6x 4x 5x 8x 4 6
10x 8x 9c 6c 11x 11x 8c 9x 9x 9x 3 7
9c 11x 7x 9x 6x 8c 7x 3c 6x 3c 4 6
10x 6c 6x 6c 5c 9x 7x 10c 8x 10c 5 5
9x 10c 4x 3c 5c 8x 7x 8x 9c 5c 5 5
7x 8x 7x 10x 5x 10x 8x 6x 9x 7x 0 10
8x 11x 7x 10x 6x 8c 7x 11x 4x 6x 1 9
10c 7x 11x 10x 6x 7x 5c 5c 9x 6x 3 7
7x 11x 7x 8x 8c 10c 8x 4x 11x 9x 2 8 ........30 ........70
22-May
9x 7x 10c 8x 7x 5c 9c 6x 3c 3c 5 5
6x 10c 11x 7x 6c 10x 6x 10c 2c 7x 4 6
6c 5x 11x 8x 6x 7x 9x 8x 7x 11x 1 9
8x 9x 9x 5x 6x 2c 11x 10x 7x 8x 1 9
7x 8x 10c 5x 5x 4x 4x 7x 7x 4x 1 9
9x 6x 5x 11x 6c 7x 6x 6x 8c 6x 2 8
10c 11x 8x 7x 10c 8c 6x 5c 5c 8x 5 5
8x 7x 6x 8x 8c 3c 8x 4x 8x 4x 2 8
5x 7x 3c 7x 6x 11x 10x 7x 11x 6x 1 9
8x 11x 5x 9x 7x 5c 9x 6x 6c 6c 3 7 ........25 ........75
27-May
11x 11x 11x 9x 7x 7x 7x 8x 10x 6x 0 10
7x 4x 7x 11x 10x 7x 8x 11x 4c 9x 1 9
5x 7x 8c 5c 7x 7x 9c 3c 4x 7x 4 6
7x 10c 4x 10x 5x 5c 9c 8x 7x 10c 4 6
9c 9x 11x 10x 6x 10x 4x 5c 7x 9x 2 8
6x 11x 6x 8x 4x 6x 7x 8x 10x 11x 0 10
9x 8x 7x 6x 7x 7x 8c 11x 9x 8x 1 9
7x 7x 8x 8x 7x 5c 9x 8c 8c 6c 4 6
8x 8x 10x 9c 7x 6c 4x 9x 11x 5x 2 8
7x 5x 5x 4c 5x 6c 7x 4c 10c 7x 4 6 ........22 ........78
27-May 28-May
6c 10x 7x 7x 7x 6x 7x 8x 6c 7x 2 8
7x 4x 6x 4x 7x 5c 6c 8c 4c 10x 4 6
9c 7x 7x 8c 6x 7x 8c 9x 7x 7x 3 7
7x 9x 6x 5x 4c 10x 7x 9x 8x 11x 1 9
8x 6x 4c 9x 9x 7x 9x 9c 11x 2c 3 7
6c 10x 9x 4x 9c 11x 11x 10x 4c 10x 3 7
7x 9c 5x 5x 6x 6x 9c 9x 6x 9x 2 8
5x 7x 8x 9c 5x 6x 8c 6x 7x 11x 2 8
6x 6x 10c 9x 8x 6c 7x 9x 4c 7x 3 7
7x 7x 6x 5x 11x 2c 9x 9x 9x 8x 1 9 ........24 ........76
30-May
6x 5x 6x 9x 5x 10x 8x 11x 8x 8x 0 10
7x 7x 11x 6x 6c 7x 5x 6c 11x 6c 3 7
5x 11x 8x 4c 5c 8x 3c 10x 11x 6x 3 7
6c 8c 6x 9c 7x 4c 9c 7x 5x 5x 5 5
8x 9c 6x 9x 5c 7x 5x 5x 6c 5x 3 7
5x 7x 7x 8x 8x 7x 7x 10x 7x 7x 0 10
10c 8x 7x 3c 9c 6c 9x 10x 9x 10c 5 5
7x 9x 3c 6x 6x 9x 5c 8x 4x 7x 2 8
6x 7x 4x 8c 11x 6c 6x 7x 4x 9c 3 7
11x 6c 11x 5c 8x 11x 6c 7x 7x 7x 3 7 ........27 ........73
4-Jun 500 bets
4c 5x 7x 6c 5x 7x 7x 7x 7x 4c 3 7
5c 4c 4c 8x 10c 7x 5c 8x 11x 10c 6 4
9x 7x 7x 6x 5x 5c 5x 6c 5x 10x 2 8
7x 6c 7x 8x 9c 9x 7x 9c 8c 7x 4 6
5x 8x 7x 4x 6x 8c 8x 7x 6c 6c 3 7
9c 9x 5x 7x 7x 5x 10c 6x 9x 8x 2 8
5x 10c 7x 9x 4x 6c 5x 8c 9x 5x 3 7
6x 6x 6x 11x 4c 7x 5x 4c 5x 7x 2 8
5x 9x 5c 9x 7x 5x 5x 8c 11x 5x 2 8
10c 9x 5c 6x 9x 6x 10c 6x 10c 7x 4 6 ........31 ........69
4-Jun Pass Line Bets
9x 9x 5c 11x 5x 6x 6x 2c 7x 7x 2 8
10x 6x 10c 11x 7x 4c 10x 5c 6c 7x 4 6
5x 4x 7x 7x 6x 10x 9c 9c 5c 5x 3 7
4x 7x 5x 9x 7x 7x 5x 10x 11x 8x 0 10
8c 9x 8c 4c 5x 9x 9x 5x 9x 11x 3 7
10c 7x 9c 4x 7x 11x 10x 9c 7x 6c 4 6
11x 7x 7x 9x 5x 8x 9x 9x 6x 6x 0 10
7x 11x 5x 11x 6c 5x 11x 8c 7x 9x 2 8
9x 7x 10c 7x 6x 6x 5c 6c 5x 5c 4 6
8x 8x 5x 4c 9x 5x 10x 5x 8x 6x 1 9 ........23 ........77
4-Jun
4x 11x 6x 8c 4x 9x 3c 9c 9x 9c 4 6
8x 10x 4x 7x 9c 6x 6x 4c 4x 10x 2 8
6x 9x 7x 11x 5x 7x 6x 8c 7x 10x 1 9
7x 3c 4c 9x 8x 7x 5x 7x 7x 4c 3 7
3c 7x 9x 7x 7x 7x 10x 6x 4c 3c 3 7
7x 5x 4c 11x 6x 8x 7x 7x 8c 5c 3 7
11x 5x 7x 11x 9x 11x 7x 9x 10x 11x 0 10
6x 6x 5x 2c 8c 9x 4x 7x 9x 9c 3 7
5c 8x 7x 5c 10x 6x 11x 8x 7x 11x 2 8
8c 4x 7x 7x 6c 8x 5c 7x 7x 6c 4 6 ........25 ........75
4-Jun
4c 7x 5x 8x 10x 8x 8x 6x 7x 8x 1 9
4c 5c 6x 10x 6x 6c 6c 5c 7x 6x 5 5
7x 5c 10c 8x 9x 5x 5x 7x 7x 7x 2 8
7x 10x 7x 7x 5x 7x 7x 7x 11x 7x 0 10
6c 7x 8c 7x 7x 7x 4x 8x 5x 6c 3 7
6c 7x 8x 10x 7x 4x 5x 9c 9x 6c 3 7
4c 7x 5x 9c 5x 7x 10c 8x 9x 4x 3 7
6x 8c 6c 5x 4x 10c 7x 4c 6x 8x 4 6
10x 6x 7x 5x 10x 6x 7x 7x 2c 5x 1 9
9x 7x 8x 7x 3c 11x 9c 4x 6x 11x 2 8 ........24 ........76
4-Jun
4x 8x 9x 7x 9x 4x 6x 11x 7x 6c 1 9
4c 9c 7x 10c 5x 9x 8x 7x 9x 5x 3 7
2c 5x 7x 8x 4c 10x 8c 8x 7x 9x 3 7
8c 4x 8x 9c 2c 6x 10x 7x 8c 9x 4 6
7x 10x 6x 7x 7x 7x 9x 4x 9c 5x 1 9
4x 11x 11x 6x 10x 11x 9c 6x 10x 5x 1 9
4x 6x 4c 7x 8c 7x 11x 4x 9c 7x 3 7
5x 9c 5c 6x 8x 11x 7x 7x 7x 7x 2 8
4x 8x 8x 10x 9x 8x 8c 7x 4x 9c 2 8
8x 3c 10x 6x 5x 6x 8x 5x 6x 5c 2 8 ........22 ........78
16-Jul
8c 10c 7x 8x 5x 6x 4x 9x 9x 8x 2 8
6x 4x 6x 7x 10x 7x 8c 7x 9x 7x 1 9
7x 6x 7x 9c 7x 5x 10c 9x 7x 7x 2 8
6c 4c 6c 10x 4c 5c 9x 7x 7x 6x 5 5
8c 8c 6x 5x 7x 7x 9x 4c 5x 8x 3 7
6x 8x 8x 5x 7x 10c 4x 7x 5x 2c 2 8
7x 6x 4x 7x 2c 6x 7x 6c 10x 5c 3 7
5x 7x 7x 10x 5x 8x 8x 7x 8x 4c 1 9
7x 7x 11x 10x 7x 5c 10c 8x 6x 4c 3 7
4x 9x 7x 10x 6x 6x 5c 9x 4x 9x 1 9 ........23 ........77
18-Jul
3c 7x 7x 6c 6x 5x 10x 4c 11x 8x 3 7
6x 5x 8x 9x 7x 9x 8c 5x 7x 9c 2 8
6c 8x 5x 7x 6c 9x 8x 7x 7x 7x 2 8
10x 8x 8x 11x 5x 7x 5x 6x 5c 7x 1 9
5x 4c 9x 8c 4x 6c 7x 6x 7x 5x 3 7
10c 3c 5c 3c 9c 8x 7x 5x 7x 6x 5 5
7x 6c 7x 7x 4x 5x 8c 7x 10c 4x 3 7
6c 4x 2c 4x 2c 7x 11x 7x 9c 8x 4 6
7x 11x 11x 9c 4c 6x 9x 9x 6x 9x 2 8
2c 3c 7x 9x 3c 5x 8c 3c 5x 6x 5 5 ........30 ........70
23-Jul
7x 8x 4c 8c 2c 3c 10x 5x 8c 9x 5 5
6x 6c 9x 6c 10c 6x 9c 4x 11x 5x 4 6
5x 4x 10x 6c 8x 8x 5x 8x 8x 5x 1 9
7x 8x 6x 9x 5x 10c 6c 6c 8c 10c 5 5
8c 6x 11x 10x 9x 11x 10c 7x 4x 8x 2 8
6c 6c 4x 6x 6x 5x 7x 4c 7x 4x 3 7
9x 7x 7x 8x 9c 7x 4x 10c 7x 6c 3 7
6c 7x 7x 8c 9x 6x 8x 8x 6x 5x 2 8
3c 9c 9c 11x 11x 7x 7x 7x 4c 9x 4 6
7x 9x 8x 8x 5x 5x 10c 9x 7x 4c 2 8 ........31 ........69
23-Jul
8x 8x 5x 5x 11x 3c 7x 8c 8x 5c 3 7
4x 9x 9x 7x 8x 8x 4c 6x 6x 7x 1 9
5x 8c 9x 7x 7x 6x 8x 5x 6x 8x 1 9
4c 7x 8x 5x 7x 9c 10x 11x 7x 4c 3 7
9c 9c 9x 3c 9x 11x 6c 10c 6x 7x 5 5
9c 10c 5c 9c 5x 8c 5c 4x 8x 11x 6 4
9x 2c 10x 9x 6c 10x 11x 8x 8x 5x 2 8
5c 6x 7x 10x 9x 6x 9x 10x 6x 10c 2 8
7x 10c 8x 9x 7x 11x 4x 7x 7x 6x 1 9
11x 7x 5c 5c 11x 5c 7x 7x 11x 8x 3 7 ........27 ........73
24-Jul
2c 7x 8x 8c 8c 9c 10x 7x 5c 4c 6 4
6x 5x 7x 6c 4c 3c 9c 5x 10x 6x 4 6
4c 3c 4c 4c 7x 5x 7x 11x 10x 8x 4 6
11x 11x 8x 5x 10x 6x 7x 8x 8x 4c 1 9
6x 6c 4x 9c 9x 2c 4c 8x 7x 10c 5 5
10c 7x 7x 8x 7x 8c 6x 7x 7x 6x 2 8
7x 4c 11x 6x 7x 7x 3c 7x 7x 9x 2 8
9x 8x 5c 5x 7x 5x 10x 9c 7x 5c 3 7
2c 8x 6c 5x 9c 8c 9x 4c 6x 9c 6 4
2c 5c 5x 8c 6x 11x 8x 4x 4c 7x 4 6 ........37 ........63
25-Jul
11x 10x 7x 5c 4c 8x 3c 10x 9x 7x 3 7
4x 6c 10c 11x 3c 11x 9x 8x 9c 4c 5 5
3c 11x 11x 8x 5c 7x 7x 6x 9x 9x 2 8
10x 8c 8x 9x 4x 7x 7x 10x 6x 7x 1 9
8x 3c 9c 8c 10c 6c 11x 5x 7x 8x 5 5
8x 5x 11x 5x 7x 7x 6c 5x 7x 4x 1 9
6c 9c 7x 7x 7x 7x 7x 5c 7x 8x 3 7
6x 9x 4c 6c 5x 5x 9c 4x 7x 7x 3 7
4x 10x 8x 7x 10x 11x 6x 4c 8c 8x 2 8
6x 7x 9x 7x 7x 6x 10c 6c 6x 8c 3 7 ........28 ........72
26-Jul
5c 10x 6x 7x 4x 7x 6x 2c 10c 6c 4 6
8x 6x 9x 7x 6x 3c 7x 8c 6x 6c 3 7
3c 5x 10c 7x 5x 7x 10c 5x 4x 7x 3 7
5c 10x 10x 8x 7x 5x 9x 6x 6x 8x 1 9
6x 5x 8c 10x 7x 9x 11x 5x 9x 5c 2 8
11x 7x 8x 8c 7x 6c 6x 11x 2c 10x 3 7
8x 11x 7x 5x 5c 8x 8x 7x 11x 5c 2 8
9x 5c 6x 10x 6x 7x 11x 5c 9c 5c 4 6
5x 7x 8c 11x 8x 5x 11x 11x 11x 4x 1 9
2c 10x 4c 5x 5c 4c 7x 8c 7x 9c 6 4 ........29 ........71
27-Jul
10c 5c 5x 5x 4c 7x 10c 10c 9x 2c 6 4
6x 10x 6x 7x 7x 4x 6x 6c 5c 7x 2 8
6x 7x 9c 7x 8x 11x 7x 9c 5x 7x 2 8
5x 9x 8x 9c 10c 3c 9c 8x 2c 3c 6 4
7x 8c 6x 9x 9x 4c 5x 8x 6x 5x 2 8
6x 4x 7x 7x 8x 8x 8x 7x 7x 7x 0 10
4x 8c 5x 5c 7x 4x 10c 8x 8x 5x 3 7
3c 10x 6x 5c 9x 5c 8x 6x 7x 6x 3 7
7x 7x 8x 10x 7x 7x 5x 9x 6x 9x 0 10
6c 6x 8c 9x 9x 8x 7x 7x 5x 4x 2 8 ........26 ........74
28-Jul
6x 8x 5x 7x 6c 9x 7x 9x 5x 5x 1 9
6c 4x 8x 10x 5x 5x 10x 6x 8x 11x 1 9
8x 8x 11x 8x 8x 4x 6x 6x 11x 7x 0 10
2c 9x 8x 6c 10x 10c 8x 6x 9x 6x 3 7
8c 6c 7x 10c 3c 9c 11x 7x 9x 10x 5 5
6c 9x 6x 7x 9x 8c 9x 7x 7x 11x 2 8
9x 7x 8c 5x 7x 4x 6x 10c 4x 6x 2 8
4x 4x 11x 11x 9x 5c 5x 8x 8x 6x 1 9
9x 9c 10x 7x 8c 10c 8c 5c 9c 3c 7 3
6x 8x 7x 8c 4c 10x 5x 11x 5x 5x 2 8 ........24 ........76
29-Jul 24165 24121
10c 4x 2c 7x 6x 8x 7x 7x 9x 7x 2 8
7x 6c 5c 5x 8x 6x 9x 6x 5x 7x 2 8
9c 9x 10x 5x 10x 8x 2c 7x 9c 7x 3 7
7x 3c 6c 11x 4c 11x 7x 8c 8x 11x 4 6
5c 10x 6x 6x 8c 3c 9x 7x 10c 10c 5 5
7x 8c 10x 4x 9x 10x 6x 6x 7x 9x 1 9
7x 5x 4x 6x 3c 6x 8c 4x 7x 4x 2 8
8x 11x 7x 8x 6x 7x 8x 6x 10c 10c 2 8
3c 4x 6x 10c 5x 8c 6x 7x 7x 6x 3 7
4c 11x 5x 6x 10c 7x 7x 7x 5c 9x 3 7 ........27 ........73
27-Aug
5x 7x 9c 6c 9x 5x 10x 8x 6x 11x 2 8
7x 10c 5x 8c 8x 7x 7x 10x 6c 8x 3 7
6c 8x 8x 8x 9x 6x 10x 9x 7c 9x 2 8
5c 8x 7x 9x 6x 7x 7x 8x 7x 5c 2 8
6x 9x 9x 9x 5c 8x 4x 9c 4c 4x 3 7
8x 7x 5x 6x 11x 9x 7c 7x 11x 5x 1 9
8x 11x 9x 9c 10x 9x 3c 7x 6c 7x 3 7
9x 10x 5c 9x 6x 5x 5c 7x 6x 7x 2 8
9x 7x 10x 7x 9x 6x 4c 8x 9c 7x 2 8
6c 8x 7x 8x 7x 7x 5x 10c 9x 5c 3 7 ........23 ........77
22-May Pass Line Bets
4x 8x 3x 8x 11c 12x 11c 8c 6c 5c 5 5
9c 7c 8x 11c 6x 6x 5x 6x 4x 9c 4 6
7c 7c 6x 11c 2x 9x 9x 10x 6x 4x 3 7
4x 5c 9x 8x 8x 3x 5x 9x 8c 8x 2 8
3x 5x 9x 4x 9x 6x 5c 8x 5c 3x 2 8
6x 11c 7c 12x 9x 7c 10x 2x 12x 8c 4 6
6c 4x 9x 3x 9x 9x 10x 7c 8c 12x 3 7
9c 9x 6x 3x 7c 12x 4x 12x 8x 5x 2 8
9c 8x 8c 10x 9x 11c 10x 9x 4c 9x 4 6
3x 4x 3x 5x 8x 5c 12x 3x 12x 6x 1 9 ........30 ........70
11-Jun Pass Line Bets
7c 5x 6x 5c 5x 3x 10x 12x 10x 10x 2 8
3x 9x 11c 4x 6x 5c 6x 3x 8x 4x 2 8
4x 10x 8x 8c 4x 3x 2x 8x 9x 8x 1 9
2x 3x 7c 12x 6x 11c 7c 5x 6x 9c 4 6
2x 6c 6x 3x 3x 10x 10x 4x 8x 9c 2 8
6c 8c 5x 4x 9c 9x 4c 8x 11c 2x 5 5
3x 9x 8c 3x 8x 7c 11c 7c 7c 4x 5 5
9x 4x 9x 6x 9x 6x 8x 4x 6x 8c 1 9
6c 5x 8x 10x 8x 8x 8x 12x 2x 3x 1 9
6x 4x 5c 4x 9c 8x 12x 9x 9x 9x 2 8 ........25 .......75
11-Jun Pass Line Bets
7c 3x 12x 3x 12x 6x 4x 3x 7c 8x 2 8
10c 9x 6x 11c 2x 4x 9x 12x 9x 8c 3 7
5x 10x 2x 5x 4x 5x 2x 2x 4c 8x 1 9
9c 12x 7c 5x 6x 3x 3x 10x 8x 8c 3 7
5x 8x 10x 8x 6x 8x 4x 9x 8x 9c 1 9
5c 9x 4c 5x 2x 9x 11c 4x 4c 7c 5 5
6x 11c 3x 6x 6x 5x 2x 4x 8x 10x 1 9
8x 5x 8x 8x 9x 11c 8x 6x 11c 6x 2 8
3x 8x 9x 8x 2x 3x 5x 12x 6c 4x 1 9
9x 6x 5x 7c 7c 8x 9x 5x 8c 4x 3 7 ........22 ........78
12-Jun Pass Line Bets
8x 5c 6x 4c 12x 8c 8x 2x 11c 9x 4 6
4x 8c 4x 5c 4x 12x 11c 8x 3x 9c 4 6
2x 4x 6c 4c 10x 6x 7c 3x 3x 10x 3 7
9c 11c 3x 9x 5x 6x 7c 9x 6x 10x 3 7
3x 12x 10x 12x 8c 6x 8c 7c 3x 10x 3 7
5x 8c 12x 3x 12x 6x 8x 8x 9c 10x 2 8
5x 4x 9x 5x 9x 2x 7c 6c 5x 3x 2 8
7c 5c 8x 5c 9x 5x 5x 8x 3x 6c 4 6
6c 10c 2x 6x 6x 10x 3x 3x 8x 8x 2 8
6x 4x 7c 9x 10c 6x 6x 9x 2x 12x 2 8 ........29 ........71
13-Jun
6x 7c 12x 3x 6c 10x 5x 7c 10x 7c 4 6
4x 9x 10x 3x 11c 3x 8c 4x 3x 4c 3 7
4x 6x 8x 9x 6x 6x 3x 6c 8x 11c 2 8
7c 8c 6c 7c 8x 8x 3x 6x 10x 7c 5 5
6x 12x 6x 9x 4x 5x 6x 5c 6c 10x 2 8
8x 9x 2x 12x 5x 2x 6c 5x 9x 9x 1 9
10x 11c 3x 6x 9x 7c 8x 3x 3x 4x 2 8
5x 8x 9x 7c 8c 9x 12x 10x 3x 5x 2 8
4x 4x 12x 12x 8x 7c 12x 7c 10c 6x 3 7
5c 9x 11c 3x 9c 10x 4x 6x 8x 5x 3 7 ........27 ........73
18-Jun
8x 9c 4x 9x 8x 3x 8x 4x 10x 3x 1 9
9x 7c 6c 8x 6x 7c 3x 3x 5c 5x 4 6
8c 6x 10x 9x 8x 11c 7c 7c 5x 7c 5 5
6x 4c 12x 5c 4x 9x 6x 9x 4x 9x 2 8
3x 6c 12x 8x 10x 10x 7c 7c 6x 3x 3 7
8x 8c 7c 9c 7c 5x 5x 9x 8c 8x 5 5
9x 5x 5c 9c 8x 4x 8c 2x 8x 6x 3 7
5x 6c 3x 6x 11c 5x 3x 8c 8x 7c 4 6
9x 3x 8x 10c 8x 4x 9x 3x 5x 6c 2 8
4x 2x 12x 4x 8x 6x 9x 6x 8x 4x 0 10 ........29 ........71
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October 29th, 2011 at 8:34:15 PM permalink
Wow, what a shitty casino.

The odds of not getting a 2 or 3 in 100 come out rolls is (33/36)^100 = 6,009.75:1
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October 29th, 2011 at 8:36:02 PM permalink
Clem, this is 3,200 resolutions. We'd like to see EVERY ROLL.
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October 29th, 2011 at 8:45:38 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Clem, this is 3,200 resolutions. We'd like to see EVERY ROLL.

Yes, I don't think Norman gets the difference between winning or losing a point, and rolling the dice. It's the actual values of the dice!!!! Please!!!! Nothing else will do... nothing ...

Norman, nothing else will do, I don't care how much you post, none of it is of any value except to indicate bias ... finding what the bias is, that's the thing ... what is the computer programmed to do exactly that is leading to this ... figuring out what they are doing IS how you bust them ... without the values of each dice on each roll, it's just going to be a lot of people agreeing with you, but no one knowing what's really going on ...

So please, no more 4x 5c ... whatever ... don't post that stuff any more ...

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October 29th, 2011 at 8:52:22 PM permalink
I only posted more info because that seems to be what others are asking. You are not required to read my post. You can go somewhere else if you are bored. Plus I posted 400 rolls on youtube. If I have to I can post them all.
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October 29th, 2011 at 9:04:11 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4

I only posted more info because that seems to be what others are asking. You are not required to read my post. You can go somewhere else if you are bored. Plus I posted 400 rolls on youtube. If I have to I can post them all.

Bored, wtf?!

I don't think you understand ... I watched your entire 30 minute video and recorded every roll, you didn't do that work, I did. I did a chi-squared analysis based on that 30 minutes worth of work ... I already posted your rolls ... maybe you missed my post??!!! you didn't ask for any of that and you got it from me anyway ... baby ... cause I like that kind of kinky analysis ... I'm your golden ticket ... so don't f this one up ... get to work and get that data I requested ...

I can't even use the amazing amount of data you posted above to do a simple distribution of come-out rolls since you didn't put down any 12's when you played the don't.

I think what must be frustrating for you is being told, after all the time and effort you spent collecting data, that you collected the wrong data ... sorry for that ... but it's true ...

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October 30th, 2011 at 4:57:29 AM permalink
I guess you are still interested in reading my posts.

If you make 100 DONT PASS bets every day it will take approxiamately 158 years to win 22 or less bets and I done it four times in a few weeks. If I wasn't cheated then I guess I am just unlucky.

Of the 2600 DONT PASS bets this is what occurred.

When betting the DONT PASS the come out roll the dice showed a 4 207 times. I won 83 decisions and lost 124
When betting the DONT PASS the come out roll the dice showed a 5 321 times. I won 103 decisions and lost 218
When betting the DONT PASS the come out roll the dice showed a 6 372 times. I won 109 decisions and lost 263
When betting the DONT PASS the come out roll the dice showed a 8 352 times. I won 105 decisions and lost 247
When betting the DONT PASS the come out roll the dice showed a 9 328 times. I won 105 decisions and lost 223
When betting the DONT PASS the come out roll the dice showed a 10 233 times. I won 98 decisions and lost 135

Maybe the numbers showed up the normal frequency but the percentage of times I should have won a decision are way off normal.

I did not record the 12 as it was a no decision when betting the DONT. I did record it when betting the PASS as it has an impact. It came up 33 times out of the 600 rolls.

When betting the PASS 600 decisions the 2 and 3 showed up 80 times.
When betting the DONT 2600 decisions the 2 or 3 showed up 86 times.
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October 30th, 2011 at 7:07:19 AM permalink
This is getting SOOOOOOO funny.
It's like that guy is having a reading disability or something.
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October 30th, 2011 at 7:11:58 AM permalink
Quote: andysif

This is getting SOOOOOOO funny.
It's like that guy is having a reading disability or something.

Yes ...
Quote: clempops4

I did not record the 12 as it was a no decision when betting the DONT.

It's just sad ... at any rate, the data for the come out rolls is statistically normal ... so that does you no good at all in trying to make your case:



Distribution of Don't Pass Come Out Rolls
Roll # Exp CHI
4 207 226.6 1.699
5 321 302.2 1.174
6 372 377.7 0.086
8 352 377.7 1.750
9 328 302.2 2.209
10 233 226.6 0.179
Total 1813 7.097
p-value 0.214



As far as this:
Quote: clempops4


When betting the PASS 600 decisions the 2 and 3 showed up 80 times.
When betting the DONT 2600 decisions the 2 or 3 showed up 86 times.


Yes, that is something very significant ...

Look, just say the casino, let me and others investigate ...

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October 30th, 2011 at 4:57:31 PM permalink
If the come out roll on 4 is 8.33% and it comes out a 4 83 times in 1000 bets which is statically within range and I win only 15 of the 83 bets betting on DONT PASS is that statistically normal?

I will send the site name only in a private message.

How do we know if they may only have set it up for me to lose and yet be normal statistically for anyone else. I was winning for a while although I was only slightly ahead winning slightly more that 50% of my bets at the time.
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October 30th, 2011 at 5:08:11 PM permalink
On youtube I posted 4 blocks of 100 which includes every roll. I guess I can post the other 2800 decisions but if the resolution is 843 wins and 2357 losers in 3200 bets I don't know why the bets in between have any impact. It takes about 45 minutes to dowload 100 decisions but if need be I will download them.
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October 30th, 2011 at 6:05:12 PM permalink
Dorothy, I will go through the results of the blocks
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October 30th, 2011 at 6:11:28 PM permalink
I'm going to look into this. I've come across no actual cases of malice in my audits. I've seen a fair share of goofs; all were quickly remedied. Most of the time, when players complain about online casino fairness, they've had a bad run and there is really nothing there. But it seems to be safe to say, in this case, that it just doesn't look right.
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October 30th, 2011 at 6:34:53 PM permalink
Quote: DorothyGale

... at any rate, the data for the come out rolls is statistically normal ... so that does you no good at all in trying to make your case:



Distribution of Don't Pass Come Out Rolls
Roll # Exp CHI
4 207 226.6 1.699
5 321 302.2 1.174
6 372 377.7 0.086
8 352 377.7 1.750
9 328 302.2 2.209
10 233 226.6 0.179
Total 1813 7.097
p-value 0.214




Yes, but in 3200 rolls, you should set 2011 points with a standard deviation of 27. So, he's 7 standard deviations low on the number of points set.
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October 30th, 2011 at 6:38:20 PM permalink
Quote: clempops4

If the come out roll on 4 is 8.33% and it comes out a 4 83 times in 1000 bets which is statically within range and I win only 15 of the 83 bets betting on DONT PASS is that statistically normal?

I will send the site name only in a private message.

How do we know if they may only have set it up for me to lose and yet be normal statistically for anyone else. I was winning for a while although I was only slightly ahead winning slightly more that 50% of my bets at the time.


Nobody is saying you don't have a case, for crying out loud. Most people even agreed that something is fishy.
BUT THEY WANT THE RAW DATA.

In case you still miss it, that's
RAW DATA
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October 30th, 2011 at 7:07:37 PM permalink
Video #4, Raw Data (25 wins, 75 losses). OP is betting don't pass only, $1 on each roll. I've included come outs of 12s as an unresolved result.

RollsResult1234567891011121314151617181920
1L410594
2L11
3L66
4W899967
5L454
6L99
7W3
8W9128381188547
9L99
10W9686524647
11L85431045111111456610116958
12L10510
13L41134
14L7
15W97
16L66
17L66
18W497
19L44
20L10510
21L66
22L9311811559
23L7
24L11
25L545
26L7
27L6101196
28W87
29L7
30L1010
31L7
32W3
33W45107
34L949
35L88
36L7
37L54485
38L7
39L7
40W1247
41W3
42L7
43L129102689
44L7
45L7
46L127
47L1099598510
48L66
49W4107
50W3
51L7
52L535
53W4107
54L11
55L646
56L88
57L7
58L7
59W867
60W598867
61L11
62L563112445
63L7
64L11
65L99
66L11
67L7
68L96669
69L1010
70L11
71L6856
72L65386
73L566125
74W2
75W847
76L910859
77L4210384
78L7
79L99
80W937
81W587
82L8498
83L7
84W5997
85L10410
86L64981236
87L1211
88L811398
89L127
90L11
91W837
92L44
93L7
94L7
95W67
96L898
97W5810889847
98L7
99L7
100W67


Interesting that the frequency of 7s after the come out roll is 20 in 196 rolls. On the come out, The Yo shows up 9 times, the Ace-Deuce 4 times, and the Snake-Eyes once. Big Red appears on the come out roll 23 times.

I'm working through Video #3 now.
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October 30th, 2011 at 8:03:29 PM permalink
Video #3, raw data (23 wins, 77 losses). This guy is getting CHEATED.

Rolls12345678910111213141516
1L99
2L969
3W542867
4L11
5L511241225
6L6559856
7L685386
8W2
9L127
10L7
11L1011646612445810
12L6106
13W1029115497
14L11
15L7
16W4117
17L10810
18W5311833861187
19W67
20L7
21L596103693891245
22L489654
23L7
24L7
25L6526
26L1010
27W95107
28W912647
29W567
30L12563495
31L464
32L7
33L55
34L964111059
35L7
36L7
37L51045
38L10983119610
39L11
40L8358
41W8109101267
42L96339
43W87
44W47
45L566999128335
46L9119
47L989
48L55
49L948849
50L1211
51W108961248697
52L7
53W941061128247
54L466988661168894
55L7
56L11
57L1083996844510
58W948587
59L7
60W67
61L11
62L7
63L7
64L989
65L5465
66L898
67L99
68L99
69L64356
70L6106
71L7
72L11
73L529128688126866125
74L1211
75W67
76L59485
77L11
78W851097
79L7
80L911589
81L9861210454864559
82L7
83W1037
84L7
85L6106
86L6101185496
87W58107
88W6553991111105947
89L51069869665
90W57
91L88
92L86668
93L595
94W467
95L93629
96L585
97L10114355951198549810
98L56881095
99L898
100L658126


Come out rolls: 11 loser: 9; 3 winner 0; 2 winner 1; 7 on the comeout 18.

Frequency of 7s after the come out roll: 22 times in 328 POST come out rolls. According to my friendly binomial calculator, the odds of this happening (22 times or less 7s in 328 rolls) is 6.661E-08 or 15,012,790:1.

OUCH! This set featured 2 5 point fire bet winners.
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October 30th, 2011 at 8:15:24 PM permalink
For those who are interested, the name of the casino is featured about 23:53 of the 3rd video.
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