Gambler accused of dice sliding at Wynn Las Vegas - Sued for return of $700,000

Quote: EvenBob

I think kp is worried, all he ever talks about is somebody changing his mind.

I just don't want to miss it. I know one these days someone will win a debate on the Internet and I want to be there for the momentous occasion. Imagine if Snow White had given up after kissing nine horny toads before she found the tenth was to be her prince charming.

Quote: kp

I just don't want to miss it.
.

I've been on the net in chat rooms since
1992 and have never seen anybodies mind
changed. The point is discussion, not trying
to influence somebody into changing.

Despite the merry-go-round of arguments in this epic thread, I would like to sincerely thank everyone for the discussion, especially Dan who stuck to his guns despite being thrown under the bus over and over. I don't agree with him, but I respect his opinion and appreciate the opportunity to see advantage casino play from a different perspective. And by that, I don't mean "the perspective of the casino operator," but rather the moral viewpoint that he has espoused in this thread. It's not something I have read before.

Quote: AcesAndEights

I don't mean "the perspective of the casino operator," but rather the moral viewpoint that he has espoused in this thread. It's not something I have read before.

Dan's viewpoint is the casinos viewpoint, he
just cleaned it up a little. The casino games
the public into believing they can win long
term, and when they get gamed back by AP's,
they have a tendency to over-react.

It reminds me of a story in American Roulette,
the roulette scammer book. They guy was
pastposting one time and a woman saw what
he did and she yelled out that he was cheating.
The pastposter got immediately furious with
her and screamed in her face to keep her f-ing
mouth shut. He was gaming the casino and she
got in his way and he hated her for it. The casino
games the public with misinformation and hates
AP's who game them back. Gamers hate being
gamed...

Quote: EvenBob

The casino games
the public into believing they can win long
term

Really, Bob? I'd do a Wizard challenge and bet you on this one...
We ask 100 random people entering a LV strip casino if they expect to win 'long term' (your phrase), I bet you less than 30 say yes.
You on for that bet?
The public KNOWS they cannot win long term, with the exception of a small bunch of true APs.
They know the building didn't build itself...

Quote: AcesAndEights

Despite the merry-go-round of arguments in this epic thread, I would like to sincerely thank everyone for the discussion, especially Dan who stuck to his guns despite being thrown under the bus over and over. I don't agree with him, but I respect his opinion and appreciate the opportunity to see advantage casino play from a different perspective. And by that, I don't mean "the perspective of the casino operator," but rather the moral viewpoint that he has espoused in this thread. It's not something I have read before.

Wow....means a lot - seriously.
The moral view point - that I apply to everything - came from a very short Buddhist teaching that was used as a thought experiment I learned in the 1970's as a kid. It was a standard to apply, that I found simple and descrptively difficult to practice well without awareness. It was:
Everything to do, does it meet this criteria:
1. Is it true and fair (fair in the sense that you would be happy with the result of a situation regardless of what side your on, just that the true & fair action was done at all. This include such things as paying for car damage that you caused and could have gotten away with, but felt compelled to pay the $800 just to report and fix a stranger's car - when you could have run away and gotten away with it, AND would have insisted on it if the shoe was on the other foot. Other examples are saying "No, take the money back dealer, I did not win it by the result of the cards...")
2. Is it kind? (Kind in the sense that your neighbor might be a jerk, but you cannot shoot him for it.)
3. Is it necessary (does it effect the correct/right result? If an action is wrong and self-seeking, it might be more unnecessary than realized)
I looked around and said, "wow, there's quite a few of us completely incapable of practicing these principles." Then I worked in gaming and thought about these principles, and got amazed...


But I also notice that we have a LOT of players who go to the casino to have fun, and do not say:
1. It is an outrage that I got backed off....
2. It is an outrage that the floorman corrected a mistake that was actually not in my favor...
Instead say, "I'm here to play - get action. If I win I win, and if I don't, I refuse to sweat it or act like I was wronged or torture myself."

So I simplied it to its essence and practice this:
1. You don't play to win, you play to play under the best conditions and by the ground rules. You may win or you may lose, and if you break the rules to win, you really didn't win, and don't want it.
2. People who play to win instead of play-to-play don't go NEAR a casino - unless it's the poker room or a job in the casino, or for recreation.

As an example, Last night I had such a shameless shot taker on dice, it was laughable case in point...:
1. He says "$30 outside - high and the four and ten." I set him up, and announce, "Mr. xxx, you have a $10 four, a $10 ten, and $5 each on the five and nine. You are high on the 4 & 10." He looks at his action and is fine. Then a five is rolled, and I pay him $7. He says, "What? You CHEATER! You're supposed to pay me $14, as I am high on the 5 and 9." I say, "No, sir, you are high and the 4 and 10, as you requested. I announced it, You saw me set it up, and were FINE with it. You get paid $7."
2. Later he says, when the Point becomes 9: "$34 INSIDE!" Fine. I set up and announce: "You have a $10 five, and $12 each six and eight, $34 action. If you want to bet the nine, you can place the point, too." He did not. A winner 9 is rolled. He demands to get paid after I pay the other players, with a "but what about ME!" look on his face. At this point the stickman backs me up and says "We can't. You bet the 5, 6 & 8, but you did NOT bet the point. Sorry, we cannot pay you as you did not bet it. You wanna get paid on a bet, you have to make that bet."

This went on for an hour, each dealer had to put up with this.
He tried SO hard to get his juice not from the actual game - but from what petty theft he could get away with, as THE game for him. I see this dynamic in spades, and it gets mind-blowing and mind-numbing....

Casinos are the very definition of insidious. Deep down people really do think they can win, even when presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If less than 30 say yes, I would question the honesty of some of the remaining 70.

Quote: 1BB

Casinos are the very definition of insidious. Deep down people really do think they can win, even when presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If less than 30 say yes, I would question the honesty of some of the remaining 70.

It's obvious to anyone who ever lost that you can lose. Insidious? This is freakin' obvious.
People are responsible for their own handling of their recreational dollar without denial, or blaming of the obvious onto others, to include casinos.

Quote: SOOPOO

Really, Bob? I'd do a Wizard challenge and bet you on this one...
We ask 100 random people entering a LV strip casino if they expect to win 'long term' .

Been doing it for years, as I said earlier.
I ask slot players and over 90% say they
think they can get ahead and stay ahead.
Why on earth would they be there if they
knew the truth? Even had a guy so pissed
at me he wanted to meet me in the parking
lot. People are very fuzzy concerning what a casino
is all about. They just assume they can win long
term, they never really think about it.

Quote: Paigowdan

So I simplied it to its essence and practice this:
1. You don't play to win, you play to play 2. People who play to win instead of play-to-play don't go NEAR a casino

C'mon Dan, everybody who goes to a casino is
there because they want to win. Just ask them.
They won't say they're there to have fun, or to
kill time, or lose. Playing to win is the only reason
they go.

Quote: Paigowdan

but from what petty theft he could get away with, as THE game for him. I see this dynamic in spades, and it gets mind-blowing and mind-numbing....

And you lump turdballs like this in with AP's?

Quote: Paigowdan

People are responsible for their own handling of their recreational dollar without denial, or blaming of the obvious onto others, to include casinos.

Yup, and its their own fault that they're so
sadly uninformed about what toilet they're
flushing their money down. The same guy
who would spend a week pricing a new TV,
looking at reviews and comparing, that same
guy will dump $600 into a casino game because
he assumes he's getting value for his money,
without doing one thing to find out if its true.

Quote: Paigowdan

1. You don't play to win, you play to play under the best conditions and by the ground rules. You may win or you may lose, and if you break the rules to win, you really didn't win, and don't want it.
2. People who play to win instead of play-to-play don't go NEAR a casino - unless it's the poker room or a job in the casino, or for recreation.

Why then not enjoy free practice money games at any of the online casinos?

Or, if it has to have physical dice, table minimums at Royale - while at that, why does anyone ever bet more than the table minimum?

A Member has seen the dice sliding videos and reported that they were "pushes" of two stacked die just as if a stack of chips was being moved: thumb and finger around bottom die, index finger atop the topmost die. The bottom die rarely made it anywhere near the wall much less bouncing it off the wall. The bottom die often didn't pass the "C" in Come and a few times only made it to the "E" in Come. Presumably the top die made it further but did not actually tumble and surely did not bounce off the wall.

So.
Was the crew in it?
Was the crew just timid and inexperienced?
Have the recent layoffs and rehirings and schedule changes so depleted the pool of capable crews that this sort of thing can happen.
It doesn't look like the woman being sued is the type to leave things to chance. Did a long term employee take a bribe? Wouldn't it mean the who crew had to be dirty?

Pushing the stacked die from just past TheStick to about half way to the far wall is a slide, not a toss, roll or bounce or anything and it would normally be a "No Roll" not a several hundred thousand dollar win.

My vote: Fraud.
My vote: Inside Job.

Quote: FleaStiff

...My vote: Fraud.
My vote: Inside Job.

Has got to be.

Quote: FleaStiff

Was the crew in it?

Not just the crew. But now that it's clear that the cheating was taped, the eye-in-the-sky security folks as well as the floor supervisors had to have been aware of what was transpiring. If they weren't, they shouldn't be working in a live casino because of their ineptitude or general malfeasance.

Floor Persons can have their view blocked, be busy elsewhere either innocently or by arrangement, etc. Surveillance people are not expected to be reacting to each roll or even to reveal they are watching that table at that time. Remember, 700,000 dollars for a place like the Wynn is sort of the "slow lane" as far as what might be happening at other tables at the time.

I just blame the immediate crew or else the Wynn crew had to all be newbies which at another casino might indeed be a possibility but at the Wynn, I would doubt it.

Quote: FleaStiff

700,000 dollars for a place like the Wynn is sort of the "slow lane" as far as what might be happening at other tables at the time.

"At the time" ran for a month, according to the original article. And the couple were hardly anonymous. They were highly rated and they were cashing in big time at the cage, and even a ritzy-titzy joint like Wynn takes extra notice of that kind of action.

Quote: SanchoPanza

and even a ritzy-titzy joint like Wynn takes extra notice of that kind of action.

and even a ritzy-titzy joit like Wynn SHOULD take extra notice of that kind of action but it seems somebody was asleep at the switch and watching her breasts rather than her hands.

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Of course it was an inside job, thats why nobody
who was at that table works there anymore. The
guy who was in surveillance is probably gone too.
Collusion is a casinos biggest nightmare, it what
they watch for and fear above everything else.

Quote: FleaStiff

A Member has seen the dice sliding videos and reported that they were "pushes" of two stacked die just as if a stack of chips was being moved: thumb and finger around bottom die, index finger atop the topmost die. The bottom die rarely made it anywhere near the wall much less bouncing it off the wall. The bottom die often didn't pass the "C" in Come and a few times only made it to the "E" in Come. Presumably the top die made it further but did not actually tumble and surely did not bounce off the wall.

So.
Was the crew in it?
Was the crew just timid and inexperienced?
Have the recent layoffs and rehirings and schedule changes so depleted the pool of capable crews that this sort of thing can happen.
It doesn't look like the woman being sued is the type to leave things to chance. Did a long term employee take a bribe? Wouldn't it mean the who crew had to be dirty?

Pushing the stacked die from just past TheStick to about half way to the far wall is a slide, not a toss, roll or bounce or anything and it would normally be a "No Roll" not a several hundred thousand dollar win.

My vote: Fraud.
My vote: Inside Job.

That was me. It was insane. There is not a person in the world who has any idea of Craps (and probably a good number of people who are ignorant of Craps) that could look at those rolls and not laugh. If I remember the story correctly, the crew was instructed "not to bother the patrons", and I don't mean as in "I know these guys, let them cheat" but "these are high rollers, don't piss them off". But regardless, I can't understand how no one challenged the absurdity of these rolls. They were sooo terrible and went on for sooo long... I wonder if that will/did affect any sort of ruling (I haven't heard what has come of it)

The top die did tumble and hit the back wall, but it's supposed to. The top die doesn't really matter. Depending on how you set and kill the bottom die, you can create betting sets for points, field, hops, or whatever, just by "killing" the bottom die as a 1 or 6.

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Quote: Paigowdan

1. You don't play to win, you play to play under the best conditions and by the ground rules. You may win or you may lose, and if you break the rules to win, you really didn't win, and don't want it.
2. People who play to win instead of play-to-play don't go NEAR a casino - unless it's the poker room or a job in the casino, or for recreation.

Why then not enjoy free practice money games at any of the online casinos?

Or, if it has to have physical dice, table minimums at Royale - while at that, why does anyone ever bet more than the table minimum?

Exactly my point. If I want to PLAY TO PLAY, I sure as hell would not be STUPID enough to bet real money. This whole picture that gambling is entertainment is nothing but a big fraud.

Well, Ibeatyouraces, if gambling isn't recreation for the player, then what is it? A foolish and troublesome career choice? (yup, often.)
A side gig where you think it's okay to use fraud? (For some, that is the real "juice," not accepting the real and clean play of the cards or dice, but the juice is in cheating manuever, - whatever shit I can get perpetrate. And sometimes casino employees participate.)
The concept where "it isn't recreation if real money is legitemately used" is B.S.
Pay for real movies and restaurants and show tickets and golf clubs with monopoly money, telling yourself this recreation should be free also.

Quote: Paigowdan

if gambling isn't recreation for the player, then what is it? A foolish and troublesome career choice? (yup, often.)

This is just another of your repeated digs at AP's, Dan.
Because somebody who doesn't have an edge over
the casino can't make gambling a career choice, his
career would be over in a month.

Quote: Paigowdan

The concept where "it isn't recreation if real money is legitemately used" is B.S.
Pay for real movies and restaurants and show tickets and golf clubs with monopoly money, telling yourself this recreation should be free also.

You are overlooking the aspect of quantity.

If a movie ticket costs $25, you sure as hell are going to expect change for your Benjamin, not pay $100 for that same ticket just because.
So why would anyone then ever bet $100 on a $25 minimum table, if they're only playing to play and the house edge on their bet is just the ticket price?

I've no idea of field of view or focus of the cameras, but in addition to the layout do they show disgruntled players looking at each other in a puzzled manner or casting sidelong glances at the Boxman? Not everyone would be happy with such a "roll".

Quote: FleaStiff

I've no idea of field of view or focus of the cameras, but in addition to the layout do they show disgruntled players looking at each other in a puzzled manner or casting sidelong glances at the Boxman? Not everyone would be happy with such a "roll".

Im sure there was a view that was more widespread, but what was shown primarily only showed the layout and player hands. I'd wonder if other patrons would be so upset, though, since the majority of players are Right. If the guy's set to nail Points, Field, and Hops, and he's doing it repeatedly... would you grumble? ;)

Quote: Face

I can't understand how no one challenged the absurdity of these rolls. They were sooo terrible and went on for sooo long.

Heck, it took the Wynn hierarchy more than five weeks of these shenanigans to conclude that a one-night cashout of $145,000 was suspicious. Talk about coloring up!

Quote: Face

I'd wonder if other patrons would be so upset, though, since the majority of players are Right.

The don'ts had to have been upset, for sure.

Quote: SanchoPanza

The don'ts had to have been upset, for sure.

Maybe, but honestly, if there was a Don't there, I cannot imagine they couldn't see what was going on and wouldn't switch. Really, it was THAT bad. If YOU saw it as you walked by, you'd jump right on the table. There wasn't an ounce of smoke and mirrors, is was incredibly, painfully, absolutely obvious.

There was a crew of sliders in the Reno area a couple of years ago that raised hell until caught. They were pretty slick. The "slider" was shooting a 6, banging it against the two rubber rings on the puck, generally causing the gaffed die to ricochet flat, not tumbling a bit. The other die DID tumble and hit the back wall. He had 2 or 3 confederates chunking in the Field. If the legit die comes 1 or 2 they lose, 3-4-5 they win, another 6 the totals' 12 which pays triple. Not a bad advantage. These guys tipped the dealers so heavily that the stickman apparently let some questionable rolls by. I agree with you that someone was asleep at the switch. I know of a couple of dice crews were fired over it.

Quote: rudeboy99

There was a crew of sliders in the Reno area a couple of years ago that raised hell until caught. They were pretty slick. The "slider" was shooting a 6, banging it against the two rubber rings on the puck, generally causing the gaffed die to ricochet flat, not tumbling a bit. The other die DID tumble and hit the back wall. He had 2 or 3 confederates chunking in the Field. If the legit die comes 1 or 2 they lose, 3-4-5 they win, another 6 the totals' 12 which pays triple. Not a bad advantage. These guys tipped the dealers so heavily that the stickman apparently let some questionable rolls by. I agree with you that someone was asleep at the switch. I know of a couple of dice crews were fired over it.

Yep...they hit JANugget's grave crew, which they fired a few of them (though kept the boxman!)
it took your place to finally realize what they were doing and catch them.
and like you said, they were tipping so heavily, the crew at JANugget didn't care much (I can assume that the same can be said for Wynn)

Quote: progrocker

It sets a dangerous precedent if Wynn wins this.

Any update on the case itself, the answer, service of those accused etc.? Thank you.

After the usual motions for shortening or extending time to file responses, an Answer was filed in Department 10 on August 6th.
Each of the two defendants is represented by the same counsel at this stage of the proceedings: C. Stanley Hunterton, Esq.

Quote: MrV

Alan's interview with the retired agent was interesting, but the interviewee's comments only seems to muddle the issue of illegality.

It is claimed that a throw is deemed legal only if the dice are "tossed in the air, hit the table surface at least once and hit the back wall."

That might be the criteria for a casino to accept a throw, but as to whether a player can be prosecuted for not meeting these criteria is a different question entirely.

I am unaware of any Nevada statute or regulation that spells out the above criteria as defining the requirements for a legal throw; if there are any, please point them out.

I am also unaware of any appellate Nevada criminal cases wherein the courts have wrestled with, clarified and ruled on this thorny issue: I rather doubt that any Nevada court has specified the three mentioned criteria as being essential for a roll of the dice to be deemed legal.

In the absence of either statute, regulation or court case, the issue is wide open for interpretation, which should provide very fertile ground indeed for a competent defense attorney to successfully defend against a claim of cheating.

AMEN Mr V !! .... I concur with you and I do not agree with Alan Mendelson's deductions in his article found here: http://www.alanbestbuys.com/id139.html

Quote: rxwine

I couldn't find a video on Youtube of a dice slider. Which is surprising as one can usually find anything on there. Dice manipulation, and setting yes, but no die sliding on the same side across the table.

Quote: MathExtremist

It's not just that, he appears to be ruling out even physical manipulations which don't conform to his predetermined conception of "the only way dice control can possibly work" (that being a gentle blanket roll).

I don't know that I'd immediately be looking for extra-sensory bases for influence, because there is no plausible model for how that would work, but there are plausible models for physical bias that aren't "roll the dice gently on axis". They've been discussed numerous times. Watch two game protection consultants kill 6s with a well-executed slide:

Bill Zender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdOQUWzPzKg
Sal Piacente: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Jz9UenEPg ....

At some point, have we reached it?, the Wynn will have to turn over or produce the video of the alleged sliding. Since it's the Wynn and big and real money involved, it's one "youtube" I'd like to watch. Anyone have insight on this? Have they sent it to the court/defendant and is it public information and will it be uploaded to youtube?

Quote: NokTang

At some point, have we reached it?, the Wynn will have to turn over or produce the video of the alleged sliding. Since it's the Wynn and big and real money involved, it's one "youtube" I'd like to watch. Anyone have insight on this? Have they sent it to the court/defendant and is it public information and will it be uploaded to youtube?

I doubt it will ever go up on youtube.

Certainly it will be "discoverable evidence" that the casino will have to turn over to counsel for the defendants, but they won't be allowed to post it in the public domain.

The tape is the only real "proof" Wynn has: no tape, no case.

I doubt how enforceable a protective order will be.

Someone somewhere could make a mint ... and probably will.

Quote: MrV

The tape is the only real "proof" Wynn has: no tape, no case.

I've seen it, so it exists. Or should I say it "existed at one time".

I'm not lawyer; I'm not even good at Nevada Gaming Law, but I see only three scenarios -

1. Typical Casino high roller treatment, a "don't bother these guys" type of policy ignorance. Because these guys weren't sly or sneaky or even good at all. Individually, any one of the rolls could've been a fluke. Seen in its entirety, it's as obvious as a punch in the mouth.

2. Hyper ignorance and severe knowledge deficiency. If no call came from upstairs and it's solely on the crew, then that crew is beyond asleep at the wheel. They were legally dead.

3. The casino was on it but allowed it as part of an intel gathering procedure. A sort of "let's see everything these guys got and who's all in on it without spooking them".

I'm interested to see which way this one goes.

One simple rule stating the dice must be thrown with the palm up would eliminate all this talk. If it's cheating sliding based on no law or rule implicitly, then I hope they keep the money. You shouldn't be accused of cheating in cases where it could be clearly defined as cheating and is not defined. If it is cheating, then Wynn cheated the state of revenue if they knowingly allowed it to happen. From a novice standpoint on crap, I think the whole craps table should be reinvented to eliminate a lot of the problems with craps.

Has the actual wording of the lawsuit ever been made public? I've often suspected that the dealers were involved and would the lawsuit be one of a conspiracy to defraud?

If its been filed, its public.

I just don't think court rooms are the proper place to decide wrestling matches or dance performances or beauty contests or anything else that should be a matter of finality at the time and place of the occurrence. The crew? He hired them, he can't complain now. The Bimbo who slid the dice? If the cameras were focused on the tits instead of the table, its his loss. If these were thought to be untouchable high rollers, better keep that thought in mind after they leave the table.

Quote: FleaStiff

If its been filed, its public.

From the original article on Oct. 1, 2011:
"The Strip resort has filed a lawsuit in Clark County District Court against frequent customers Leonardo Fernandez and Veronica Dabul, both Argentine nationals, asking for the return of about $700,000 Wynn officials say they illegally won during a monthlong cheating spree that ended with their arrest on July 18."

Quote: SanchoPanza

From the original article on Oct. 1, 2011:
"The Strip resort has filed a lawsuit in Clark County District Court against frequent customers Leonardo Fernandez and Veronica Dabul, both Argentine nationals, asking for the return of about $700,000 Wynn officials say they illegally won during a monthlong cheating spree that ended with their arrest on July 18."

What I want to know is if the specifics of the charges have been made public? If it were a criminal case, an indictment would include descriptions of the crime and how it was committed. Have specifics been made public here?

Quote: AlanMendelson

What I want to know is if the specifics of the charges have been made public? If it were a criminal case, an indictment would include descriptions of the crime and how it was committed. Have specifics been made public here?

Some intrepid Nevadan could make a request under FOIA or OPRA or whatever they call it.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Some intrepid Nevadan could make a request under FOIA or OPRA or whatever they call it.

https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=9056574

From 5/9/2013:
"As to Defendants' Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings Finding that Plaintiff has no Claim Against Defendants, COURT ORDERED, motion DENIED. Winnings via cheating is not the same thing as a gambling dept. The Nevada Supreme Court. has expressly held that dice sliding constitutes cheating. Skipper v. State, 110 Nev. 1031."

I'm not entirely sure that the holding of Skipper v. State means "dice sliding constitutes cheating" in all cases, but it certainly does when the slider intentionally conceals it, and I understand that happened in this matter. However, I would be concerned about the ramifications of the broader holding that "dice sliding always constitutes cheating" because:
a) the mathematical difference between a successful dice slide and a successful controlled shot (e.g. on-axis rolling) is merely one of degree, not quality. Neither sliding nor controlled shooting physically alter the dice, so if sliding is cheating because it "alters the elements of chance" then so is controlled shooting;
b) Nevada statute provides that both cheating and attempted cheating are felonies;
c) Therefore, if sliding is always cheating, both attempting to slide the dice and attempting to use a controlled shot are criminal activities.

It sounds like WoVCon IV will be at the Clark County Detention Center.

In all seriousness, I can't imagine the above scenario could be correct. Virtually every dice shooter tries to control the dice, and there are even seminars on how to do it. Conspiracy to cheat is also a felony, even if you never actually cheat, so what would that mean for the authors of "how to control the dice" books? I'm just not sure where to draw the line between what the courts have held and what would be a ridiculous conclusion stemming from a reasonably straightforward application of the existing laws to those holdings. Does the reasoning above break down somewhere?

Quote: MathExtremist

Does the reasoning above break down somewhere?

The judges ruling on that particular motion doesn't constitute a precedent or make it "law" as such.

Your other mention, that of the player "intentionally conceal"ing said sliding is only an opinion of someone. Rational people could and have said that the distractions were concealment but others say that it is the duty of the staff to avoid distractions. It's difficult to make the assumption the "distractions" were for the purpose of cheating successfully IMHO.

Blockers often engage in perfectly normal activity, its mainly their timing that helps the cheater get away with something. Now if you later find them in the same hotel room its a bit easier to prove collusion but otherwise its usually perfectly "normal" behavior that could be explained away as ignorance or alcohol-induced exuberance.

Was on that table that eve. Was awesome !!

Awesome? Should have been sickening.
I hope Wynn loses... simply because the burden is on the casino and the determination should be final with the Box or Floor's call and not subject to some judicial review several months later.

If his Boxman was overwhelmed by Bribes or Breasts that is too bad for Steve Wynn. The Box should have called "No Roll".

Absolutely. No Bet or No Roll or both. TFB Steve.