Three point Molly is the best beginner strategy?
March 29th, 2022 at 7:17:57 PM
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What does that mean? That the shooter is somehow able to roll 7 less frequently than 1 in 6 rolls?Quote: AlanMendelson
Yes, the author commented on the risk, but he argued that after three or four throws the shooter was probably pretty good and worth the additional risk of adding odds.
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It’s all about making that GTA
March 29th, 2022 at 7:18:51 PM
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How do you figure?Quote: unJonQuote: Ace2The any seven bet should get you there twice as fast. Bet that all weekend for $100 and they should give you your own floorQuote: billryanYears ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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Closer to 13.25 times as fast.
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March 29th, 2022 at 7:45:04 PM
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So after his 11th bet (for $25,600), he'd be down $51,175. Unable to double that, he'd then bet $48,825 on the 12th. Sound right?Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2The any seven bet should get you there twice as fast. Bet that all weekend for $100 and they should give you your own floorQuote: billryanYears ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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I wrote about this before: a player comes to a craps table with $100k.
His ONLY bets are 3way 7s on the come out starting with $25 each and doubling the bets on each come out.
No one at the table threw a come out 7.
He lost the entire $100k.
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Hopefully he got a comped dinner for that
It’s all about making that GTA
March 29th, 2022 at 7:49:34 PM
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Quote: Ace2How do you figure?Quote: unJonQuote: Ace2The any seven bet should get you there twice as fast. Bet that all weekend for $100 and they should give you your own floorQuote: billryanYears ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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Closer to 13.25 times as fast.
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Bad math. Sorry both of us wrong. I had figure wrong and you were I think using house edge on a per resolved bet vs per roll basis.
Right math:
Hard 8 house edge per roll 2.78%
Any 7 house edge per roll 16.70%
Comp multiplier: 16.7/2.78 = 6.
Any 7 house edge per roll
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
March 29th, 2022 at 9:08:52 PM
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Quote: Ace2What does that mean? That the shooter is somehow able to roll 7 less frequently than 1 in 6 rolls?Quote: AlanMendelson
Yes, the author commented on the risk, but he argued that after three or four throws the shooter was probably pretty good and worth the additional risk of adding odds.
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Yes.
March 29th, 2022 at 9:12:34 PM
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Quote: Ace2So after his 11th bet (for $25,600), he'd be down $51,175. Unable to double that, he'd then bet $48,825 on the 12th. Sound right?Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2The any seven bet should get you there twice as fast. Bet that all weekend for $100 and they should give you your own floorQuote: billryanYears ago I was told one of the easiest ways to get a comp room in AC was to be a regular $25 Hard 8 bettor.
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I wrote about this before: a player comes to a craps table with $100k.
His ONLY bets are 3way 7s on the come out starting with $25 each and doubling the bets on each come out.
No one at the table threw a come out 7.
He lost the entire $100k.
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Hopefully he got a comped dinner for that
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After he was out of money he sat there and watched.
(He was sitting at a chair that whole time.)
He must have been there another half hour and still no one rolled a winner-7 on the come out.
Then quietly he got up and left.
March 29th, 2022 at 9:27:20 PM
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So much for believing anything that author writes...Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2What does that mean? That the shooter is somehow able to roll 7 less frequently than 1 in 6 rolls?Quote: AlanMendelson
Yes, the author commented on the risk, but he argued that after three or four throws the shooter was probably pretty good and worth the additional risk of adding odds.
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Yes.
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Even if there was any verifiable evidence of anyone able to roll less than 1 of 6 sevens over the long term, which there isn't, it would probably take thousands of rolls to discern any difference from a random roller...not three or four
Last time in Vegas I went to the electronic craps table (roll to win?) and this woman went 26 rolls. It was her first time to play craps
It’s all about making that GTA
March 29th, 2022 at 9:56:47 PM
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Quote: Ace2So much for believing anything that author writes...Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2What does that mean? That the shooter is somehow able to roll 7 less frequently than 1 in 6 rolls?Quote: AlanMendelson
Yes, the author commented on the risk, but he argued that after three or four throws the shooter was probably pretty good and worth the additional risk of adding odds.
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Yes.
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Even if there was any verifiable evidence of anyone able to roll less than 1 of 6 sevens over the long term, which there isn't, it would probably take thousands of rolls to discern any difference from a random roller...not three or four
Last time in Vegas I went to the electronic craps table (roll to win?) and this woman went 26 rolls. It was her first time to play craps
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Not 28?
March 30th, 2022 at 6:34:17 AM
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Quote: Ace2So much for believing anything that author writes...Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2What does that mean? That the shooter is somehow able to roll 7 less frequently than 1 in 6 rolls?Quote: AlanMendelson
Yes, the author commented on the risk, but he argued that after three or four throws the shooter was probably pretty good and worth the additional risk of adding odds.
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Yes.
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Even if there was any verifiable evidence of anyone able to roll less than 1 of 6 sevens over the long term, which there isn't, it would probably take thousands of rolls to discern any difference from a random roller...not three or four
Last time in Vegas I went to the electronic craps table (roll to win?) and this woman went 26 rolls. It was her first time to play craps
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Dpon't most craps players think a first time woman usually has a long toll?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
March 30th, 2022 at 6:43:00 AM
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Quote: billryanQuote: Ace2So much for believing anything that author writes...Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2What does that mean? That the shooter is somehow able to roll 7 less frequently than 1 in 6 rolls?Quote: AlanMendelson
Yes, the author commented on the risk, but he argued that after three or four throws the shooter was probably pretty good and worth the additional risk of adding odds.
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Yes.
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Even if there was any verifiable evidence of anyone able to roll less than 1 of 6 sevens over the long term, which there isn't, it would probably take thousands of rolls to discern any difference from a random roller...not three or four
Last time in Vegas I went to the electronic craps table (roll to win?) and this woman went 26 rolls. It was her first time to play craps
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Dpon't most craps players think a first time woman usually has a long toll?
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The "craps virgin" superstition also applies to guys.
March 30th, 2022 at 8:15:07 AM
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Yes, the same ones that believe in full-moon werewolves and dice controlQuote: billryan
Dpon't most craps players think a first time woman usually has a long toll?
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It’s all about making that GTA
March 30th, 2022 at 6:21:32 PM
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Quote: Ace2Yes, the same ones that believe in full-moon werewolves and dice controlQuote: billryan
Dpon't most craps players think a first time woman usually has a long toll?
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Do you believe that the full moon affects the tides and ocean levels?
March 30th, 2022 at 6:38:33 PM
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I thought that was a factQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2Yes, the same ones that believe in full-moon werewolves and dice controlQuote: billryan
Dpon't most craps players think a first time woman usually has a long toll?
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Do you believe that the full moon affects the tides and ocean levels?
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It’s all about making that GTA
March 30th, 2022 at 8:11:50 PM
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Quote: Ace2I thought that was a factQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2Yes, the same ones that believe in full-moon werewolves and dice controlQuote: billryan
Dpon't most craps players think a first time woman usually has a long toll?
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Do you believe that the full moon affects the tides and ocean levels?
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Why is it a fact?
March 30th, 2022 at 8:17:16 PM
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Gravitational pull of moon
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March 30th, 2022 at 9:12:40 PM
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Quote: Ace2Gravitational pull of moon
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Let me cut to the chase.
You were told to believe that a full moon affects the tides and ocean levels. You may have even observed it yourself if you've been seaside during different phases of the moon.
But you do not feel the moon's gravity. You don't see gravity shoot thru the sky.
Now let's consider dice influencing. You havent seen it and few have told you to believe it exists. I understand that.
But one of these days you might see it.
March 30th, 2022 at 9:40:41 PM
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I believe there may be a syzygy event scheduled for May 15.
I wonder if we'll hear some trip reports?
I wonder if we'll hear some trip reports?
May the cards fall in your favor.
March 30th, 2022 at 11:35:59 PM
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If I play with 5X odds, I can just keep the winning Come bets up when they win right? Probably just keep the inside numbers up and rebet the Come if a 4/10 wins.
March 31st, 2022 at 6:40:36 AM
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Syzygy? No doubt best viewed from Zzyzx!Quote: DieterI believe there may be a syzygy event scheduled for May 15.
I wonder if we'll hear some trip reports?
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
March 31st, 2022 at 8:05:23 AM
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Quote: JoemanSyzygy? No doubt best viewed from Zzyzx!Quote: DieterI believe there may be a syzygy event scheduled for May 15.
I wonder if we'll hear some trip reports?
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I thought the craps games around Zzyzx played dice with cards, which are generally less likely to tumble and change value due to gravitational influence.
I could be wrong. I don't get out that way often, which is about as often as I like.
May the cards fall in your favor.
March 31st, 2022 at 9:22:38 AM
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But I have seen it. I've seen shooters last 30+ rolls, which isn't even that rare (about 1 in 70 chance). That's called variance/luck, not dice influencingQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2Gravitational pull of moon
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Let me cut to the chase.
You were told to believe that a full moon affects the tides and ocean levels. You may have even observed it yourself if you've been seaside during different phases of the moon.
But you do not feel the moon's gravity. You don't see gravity shoot thru the sky.
Now let's consider dice influencing. You havent seen it and few have told you to believe it exists. I understand that.
But one of these days you might see it.
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Many of these shooters with long rolls are "tourists" that don't even understand the game.
You have about a 1/2 chance of lasting 6+ rolls. For additional rolls, use the formula (2 * 1.16^(x-6)) to get the probability of lasting x rolls (expressed in "1 in" format). For instance, your chance of lasting 25+ rolls is about 1 in (2 * 1.16^(25-6)), or about 1 in 33.6. This math applies to tourists, locals and dice influencers. It applies to everyone
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March 31st, 2022 at 12:12:23 PM
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When Patricia Demauro set the world record of 154 rolls, it was only her second time to play craps. A complete novice
Incidentally, the roll took 4 hours 18 minutes, which is about 36 rolls per hour. I realize that a crowd must have been gathering for the second half of her turn, but isn't that extremely slow? For a full table, the average rolls per hour is listed at 102. So her roll should have lasted about 90 minutes at a completely full table. Or less than an hour for under six players.
That said, I've always thought the listed average rolls per hour seem very high. With a half-full table it seems several minutes can pass between certain rolls as dealers take/pay bets . That's why I often like playing 3-point molly...craps can be slow playing just one passline bet. The link below lists 144 rolls per hour for a table with 5 players...seems very high
source: https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/general/
Incidentally, the roll took 4 hours 18 minutes, which is about 36 rolls per hour. I realize that a crowd must have been gathering for the second half of her turn, but isn't that extremely slow? For a full table, the average rolls per hour is listed at 102. So her roll should have lasted about 90 minutes at a completely full table. Or less than an hour for under six players.
That said, I've always thought the listed average rolls per hour seem very high. With a half-full table it seems several minutes can pass between certain rolls as dealers take/pay bets . That's why I often like playing 3-point molly...craps can be slow playing just one passline bet. The link below lists 144 rolls per hour for a table with 5 players...seems very high
source: https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/general/
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March 31st, 2022 at 12:46:32 PM
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We both have seen long rolls by random rollers.
Perhaps one day you'll see a dice influencer.
Perhaps one day you'll see a dice influencer.
March 31st, 2022 at 1:05:50 PM
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I've seen players who have faith in such powers belonging to another player, and they follow them around. I've seen it work. Let me qualify that by citing the fact that there were too few rolls in the couple of hours I was playing with this guy, so statistically what I saw proved nothing, though I took the advice to bet on him and benefited.Quote: AlanMendelsonWe both have seen long rolls by random rollers.
Perhaps one day you'll see a dice influencer.
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Alan, if you can spot 'em, well, how is that going?
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the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 31st, 2022 at 1:09:10 PM
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Maybe I already have. How can you tell the difference?Quote: AlanMendelsonWe both have seen long rolls by random rollers.
Perhaps one day you'll see a dice influencer.
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It’s all about making that GTA
March 31st, 2022 at 3:00:38 PM
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On Bubble Craps, if I'm looking for a lucky streak before closing time, at 30 rolls times 0.75 minutes per roll equals 22.5 minutes; add 7.5 minutes to cash out at a kiosk and pocket the change TITO, so I need to stop on new dice shooters at least a half hour before closing.
I played some 3 Point Molly on WinCraps last night and it really does take "HOT SHOOTERS" to make up for these pitiful strings of losing streaks. I think I started at $20K, fell to $10K, won to $40K, then lost back to $20K, and won back to $30K. I tried double odds, triple odds, and 5X odds. I think double odds was allowing the line bets to help me on win streaks, and also losing on crushingly cursed bad luck on the Come-outs.
If I was at a $50 minimum table - $1,000 table max, I'd need a $20K buy-in at triple odds. I could quit at $0, $60K, or $220K+.
I played some 3 Point Molly on WinCraps last night and it really does take "HOT SHOOTERS" to make up for these pitiful strings of losing streaks. I think I started at $20K, fell to $10K, won to $40K, then lost back to $20K, and won back to $30K. I tried double odds, triple odds, and 5X odds. I think double odds was allowing the line bets to help me on win streaks, and also losing on crushingly cursed bad luck on the Come-outs.
If I was at a $50 minimum table - $1,000 table max, I'd need a $20K buy-in at triple odds. I could quit at $0, $60K, or $220K+.
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March 31st, 2022 at 3:42:17 PM
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It has been reported many RTW tables are exiting Vegas. Seems some influencers taking advantage of the bounce characteristics and winning thousands. Ignorance is not bliss, it"s costing you money.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
March 31st, 2022 at 3:49:04 PM
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I had to look up RTW.
RTW = Roll to Win = electronic version of craps where there is 1 dealer to make the calls and input the number rolled and players use small "kiosks"/screens to do their betting.
It's more likely the rent on the game is the factor. My local casino removed a triple zero roulette game and it was replaced with a brand new bank of slot machines.
RTW likely has IRS requirements on their kiosks that regular craps tables don't have, so that's a big strike against them.
RTW = Roll to Win = electronic version of craps where there is 1 dealer to make the calls and input the number rolled and players use small "kiosks"/screens to do their betting.
It's more likely the rent on the game is the factor. My local casino removed a triple zero roulette game and it was replaced with a brand new bank of slot machines.
RTW likely has IRS requirements on their kiosks that regular craps tables don't have, so that's a big strike against them.
March 31st, 2022 at 4:00:27 PM
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RTW is a novelty. It's fun to play it once in a while but nothing will ever replace normal craps.
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March 31st, 2022 at 4:49:44 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonThe only way to gain an advantage at craps is so rare and misunderstood no one would believe it's possible.
So make us understand. I think we could all use some enlightenment.
tuttigym
March 31st, 2022 at 6:32:24 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitI've seen players who have faith in such powers belonging to another player, and they follow them around. I've seen it work. Let me qualify that by citing the fact that there were too few rolls in the couple of hours I was playing with this guy, so statistically what I saw proved nothing, though I took the advice to bet on him and benefited.Quote: AlanMendelsonWe both have seen long rolls by random rollers.
Perhaps one day you'll see a dice influencer.
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Alan, if you can spot 'em, well, how is that going?
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I have played with only THREE who I believe who are truly skilled. A fourth was close, but not convincibg.
That's 3 out of possibly several thousand shooters in the past 40 years.
March 31st, 2022 at 6:43:49 PM
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Quote: Ace2Maybe I already have. How can you tell the difference?Quote: AlanMendelsonWe both have seen long rolls by random rollers.
Perhaps one day you'll see a dice influencer.
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Did you write that you've been playing craps for about 4 years? If so, you missed the heyday of dice influencing schools. Good for you if you did because you didnt have to go to school to understand what DI was about.
One book told the whole story:
Get The Edge At Craps by Sharpshooter
A used copy is $4.
Read it. It explains THE REALITY of DI and not the fanciful incorrect claims of its critics that are always repeated on forums.
Cue the critic who will now say... "but Wong said...."
Yeah, well Wong wasn't among those three or 4.
I've written before the essentials of a controlled throw. I tried but I cant do it enough times to claim any ability.
March 31st, 2022 at 6:54:57 PM
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Well, I did skim "Wong on Dice" based on a recommendation. The book was garbage
I have approached DI with an open mind but I've never seen or read any evidence that anyone can consistently do it at a statistically significant level. Therefore I say bullocks. There are so many superstitions around craps so of course there will always be Believers.
It does seem like a great scam for snake oil salesmen charging big bucks for DI "classes". Sort of like people who sell books on betting systems...they are just taking your money in return for a bunch of BS. But people wanna believe. I doubt I'll read the book you just listed because, like the Wizard says about betting systems, I don't have to analyze them all to know they're all worthless
I have approached DI with an open mind but I've never seen or read any evidence that anyone can consistently do it at a statistically significant level. Therefore I say bullocks. There are so many superstitions around craps so of course there will always be Believers.
It does seem like a great scam for snake oil salesmen charging big bucks for DI "classes". Sort of like people who sell books on betting systems...they are just taking your money in return for a bunch of BS. But people wanna believe. I doubt I'll read the book you just listed because, like the Wizard says about betting systems, I don't have to analyze them all to know they're all worthless
It’s all about making that GTA
March 31st, 2022 at 7:14:53 PM
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Quote: Ace2Well, I did skim "Wong on Dice" based on a recommendation. The book was garbage
I have approached DI with an open mind but I've never seen or read any evidence that anyone can consistently do it at a statistically significant level. Therefore I say bullocks. There are so many superstitions around craps so of course there will always be Believers.
It does seem like a great scam for snake oil salesmen charging big bucks for DI "classes". Sort of like people who sell books on betting systems...they are just taking your money in return for a bunch of BS. But people wanna believe. I doubt I'll read the book you just listed because, like the Wizard says about betting systems, I don't have to analyze them all to know they're all worthless
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This is basically where I am. That said, I still set the dice when I’m shooting. So . . .
But I shoot quickly. Don’t slow down the game.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
March 31st, 2022 at 7:41:32 PM
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Quote: unJonQuote: Ace2Well, I did skim "Wong on Dice" based on a recommendation. The book was garbage
I have approached DI with an open mind but I've never seen or read any evidence that anyone can consistently do it at a statistically significant level. Therefore I say bullocks. There are so many superstitions around craps so of course there will always be Believers.
It does seem like a great scam for snake oil salesmen charging big bucks for DI "classes". Sort of like people who sell books on betting systems...they are just taking your money in return for a bunch of BS. But people wanna believe. I doubt I'll read the book you just listed because, like the Wizard says about betting systems, I don't have to analyze them all to know they're all worthless
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This is basically where I am. That said, I still set the dice when I’m shooting. So . . .
But I shoot quickly. Don’t slow down the game.
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And I'd rather play with a shooter who at least tries.
If you don't try, why play? You might as well play roulette.
I wonder if our friend Ace2 tries to win, or if he's just a chucker?
March 31st, 2022 at 8:23:39 PM
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Quote: GialmereI would ask those here to try and remember their first time at a craps table. What was your plan? How much money was in your pocket? Were you nervous?
As a thought experiment, if you could go back in time and give yourself some quick advice on what to do, what would you tell yourself?
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I went to a craps "class" at the casino I was patronizing. I asked the host/teacher if one could play with the house and against the house at the same time. I did not know about dark side betting. He told me about the lay bet. I had $300 to lose and my plan was to bet across the board ($10 table) 4.5.6.8.9. and 10 and lay the point for $64.
I played for about 45 minutes and walked away with a $225 profit. It was 4th grade arithmetic. I had no clue that it would work, but for that session and with some beginners "luck," it did.
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March 31st, 2022 at 9:18:58 PM
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Double zero roulette, with an edge of 5.3%, is about 14 times the edge of the passline with 3/4/5 odds (0.37%). I would never bet anything with a 5.3% edge.Quote: AlanMendelson
And I'd rather play with a shooter who at least tries.
If you don't try, why play? You might as well play roulette.
I wonder if our friend Ace2 tries to win, or if he's just a chucker?
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That said, I don't play craps passline with 3/4/5 odds just because it's the lowest edge in the house*. Craps is a very fun game with all the different bets, jargon, and especially the comradery among players. And shooting the dice is a blast. However, sharp bettors know that their result for every game comes down to just two things: house edge and variance, both of which are easy to quantify. So if you enjoy the game and you're comfortable with the edge and variance then it's a great form of entertainment and can even be a good way to meet people.
But don't try or expect to beat the game...because you won't over the long run. The math guarantees that. However, if you're playing passline with 3/4/5 odds, you could play for a lifetime and be up on the casino just by variance...the edge is that low
*There are probably some high limit blackjack tables with rules favorable enough to match this edge assuming basic strategy is always played
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March 31st, 2022 at 9:31:25 PM
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I actually perform this two minute ritual dance before every shotQuote: AlanMendelson
Okay.
So do you set your dice or just chuck 'em?
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March 31st, 2022 at 9:32:28 PM
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Quote: Ace2I actually perform this two minute ritual dance before every shotQuote: AlanMendelson
Okay.
So do you set your dice or just chuck 'em?
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You answered my question.
I understand.
March 31st, 2022 at 9:35:41 PM
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Not your fault. I was going to retouch yours next.
May the cards fall in your favor.
April 1st, 2022 at 3:01:09 AM
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This time I was talking about, was not the only time I saw a shooter do remarkably well while setting the dice. But what struck me was that he seemed to have followers. There was no doubt about one guy in particular, who took it upon himself to urge the rest of us not to do something to distract that shooter, he would be on it if he thought your hands might get in the way for example.Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: odiousgambitI've seen players who have faith in such powers belonging to another player, and they follow them around. I've seen it work. Let me qualify that by citing the fact that there were too few rolls in the couple of hours I was playing with this guy, so statistically what I saw proved nothing, though I took the advice to bet on him and benefited.Quote: AlanMendelsonWe both have seen long rolls by random rollers.
Perhaps one day you'll see a dice influencer.
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Alan, if you can spot 'em, well, how is that going?
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I have played with only THREE who I believe who are truly skilled. A fourth was close, but not convincibg.
That's 3 out of possibly several thousand shooters in the past 40 years.
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Now I walked out of that casino with several hundred dollars I didn't come in with, and would have walked out with thousands if a little niggling voice wasn't telling me not to get carried away. If he had convinced me his results were like that all the time, so I could say "I believe he was truly skilled", I'd have to decide it was worth it to find out if he played regularly. It might just be time to start walking out with thousands instead of hundreds.
So I'm asking if you ever tried to do this, find out when one of these three guys is playing and bet with them? If not why not?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
May 9th, 2022 at 1:23:21 PM
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the guy telling everyone to watch their hands and such was probably a guy who saw dopes betting late and stuff like that alot IT HAPPENS I do the same thing when someone is control shooting..Im not shy to tell people to wait for the next hand either,,, On another note... HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT SOME( CASINOS ON THE STRIP} HAVE ELIMINATED THE ALL TALL SMALL ?????
May 9th, 2022 at 2:24:17 PM
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I'm pulling ahead when 3 Hot Shooters (20+ rolls per shooter) do their thing in the first hour.
May 9th, 2022 at 2:46:07 PM
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interesting.. wonder why they removed this sucker bet?Quote: daveyandersen1On another note... HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT SOME( CASINOS ON THE STRIP} HAVE ELIMINATED THE ALL TALL SMALL ?????
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did they replace it with a bigger/worst sucker bet?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
May 9th, 2022 at 2:46:10 PM
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interesting.. wonder why they removed this sucker bet?Quote: daveyandersen1On another note... HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT SOME( CASINOS ON THE STRIP} HAVE ELIMINATED THE ALL TALL SMALL ?????
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did they replace it with a bigger/worst sucker bet?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
May 9th, 2022 at 7:56:19 PM
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Bonus craps is a sucker bet unless you're hitting it.
When the pays were first reduced at Bellagio several years ago it was because Bellagio was getting hammered on the Bonus bets. There were regulars there betting $100 on all three positions.
Caesars followed Bellagio.
When the pays were first reduced at Bellagio several years ago it was because Bellagio was getting hammered on the Bonus bets. There were regulars there betting $100 on all three positions.
Caesars followed Bellagio.
May 9th, 2022 at 8:44:01 PM
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It's a sucker bet period. You will, on average, hit it about 1 in 190 times and get paid 150 to 1 when you hit
It’s all about making that GTA
May 10th, 2022 at 12:37:27 AM
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Quote: Ace2It's a sucker bet period. You will, on average, hit it about 1 in 190 times and get paid 150 to 1 when you hit
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Sorry. But I hit it more often. And as I said, Bellagio got killed by a group of better shooters.
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You must have this statistic of 1 in 190 confused with something else. I've been at tables at Red Rock and Sam's Town where two or more shooters have thrown the ALL in less than an hour.
I think I see it thrown once in every two trips.
I've seen players hit the ALL without making a single pass.
1 in 190?? Too far out.
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May 10th, 2022 at 1:47:15 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2It's a sucker bet period. You will, on average, hit it about 1 in 190 times and get paid 150 to 1 when you hit
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Sorry. But I hit it more often. And as I said, Bellagio got killed by a group of better shooters.
Edited to add:
You must have this statistic of 1 in 190 confused with something else. I've been at tables at Red Rock and Sam's Town where two or more shooters have thrown the ALL in less than an hour.
I think I see it thrown once in every two trips.
I've seen players hit the ALL without making a single pass.
1 in 190?? Too far out.
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well Alan, the thing about your analysis is that Mike has already analyzed this bet - see link - and stated that it carries a house edge of 20.61%__________
and guess what, if you bet $1.00 190 times and won one time and got paid $150 and divide your loss -40 - by 190 you get guess what - almost the exactly same as what Mike stated - 21%
imagine that - Alan Mendelson craps expert could be wrong and Ace 2 could be right
once again you post wrong info re betting strategies
but of course, you can always claim that Mike too is wrong - and you can prove it with your analysis___________________(~:\
everybody is going to anxiously wait to see your post showing the correct math______________(~:\
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/side-bets/bonus-craps/#:~:text=In%20the%20past%2C%20some%20tables,a%20house%20edge%20of%2020.61%25.
it's almost a law in casino table games that the higher the payout in proportion to the amount bet - the higher the HA
a person trying to get a big payout would get a much better deal to try to parlay a pass line bet of $1.00 7 times to get a payout of $127 or 8 times to get a payout of $255
yes, I know in most casinos you can't bet just $1.00 - this was just an example
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