"When" does dice influence start???

Quote: Ahigh

In general, when I am at the casino to try to do advantage play, one of the best skills I have is the skill to run off other players. There are tons of things you can do to run off other players, and I will absolutely do them!

I do not intend to be confrontational and I hesitate to even pursue this point--at the risk of provoking an inflamed response--but how does one dependably and consistently run off other players at a craps table?

I know that it is possible to be obnoxious so as to create an intolerable atmosphere at the table--and assuming the boxperson does not step in to control the situation as the box should--then that would drive others away. But I don't think that is the "skill" that you are referring to.

You say there are "tons of things" that can be done, which I presume means that you are in full control of these things so that you can reliably achieve your goal of running people off.

You even mention in a different post that you can get others off the table without them even knowing what you are doing.

I am curious. Exactly what do you do?

You stated that you "let two Georges win" on your roll. How do you "let" someone else win? What are you controlling to "let" this happen?

I also started to ask "why" would anyone want to develop such a skill (as you describe it), but I suppose if a person believes in their ability to control the dice and it is important to have a table that is fairly empty--to facilitate more shooting opportunities and maybe to also eliminate betting chips on the table which could interfere with the controlled shot--then there is the answer for running off other players. And then I recall one of your posts in which you state that if you have limited time and want to the dice, then you will clear the table. So I think I understand "why" you believe it is necessary to run off the other players.

Again, how do you do that?

Separate from your ability or "skill" in controlling the table in this manner, there is the question of your attitude towards the other players. From the apparent tone of your posts, it seems as if you are vindictive in your desire to run off other players, and that baffles me.

I want everyone to win in the casino. Don't you?

Quote: Ahigh

I got a little bit emotional. Part of that emotion is from being a lifetime loser and feeling that everyone thinks I am failing because I am losing.

Pretty much ALL craps players are lifetime losers, whether they'll admit it or not.

Just roll with it (pun intended).

To me, it's still just a game, but I do hope to recover my losses. I am up four figures since Saturday and won every session since then. My lifetime losses are not much more than I have won in that time.

The tricky part of having lifetime wins is controlling your bet amounts, and I increased my bets to huge amounts and I got both nervous and unlucky. I didn't let it ruin my life, but my lifetime losses more than tripled in a few minutes after having played every day for over two years.

I'm at a point now where I am increasing my bet amounts again. I can say I am not having as bad of luck as I had then. But things change when you have thousands instead of hundreds on the rail.

Ahigh must certainly be making a name for himself at Vegas casinos.
He runs off players, is the newest achievement.
He also calls in advance to announce that he will be arriving with his dice influencing skills. (Wynn)
At tables he announces to the dealers what he is going to do. (LVH)
And he pushes the rules about hitting the back wall. (Various)
And posts on the Internet allegations about biased dice. (Naming at least one casino here that I do not care to repeat)

Quote: AlanMendelson

Ahigh must certainly be making a name for himself at Vegas casinos.
He runs off players, is the newest achievement.
He also calls in advance to announce that he will be arriving with his dice influencing skills. (Wynn)
At tables he announces to the dealers what he is going to do. (LVH)
And he pushes the rules about hitting the back wall. (Various)
And posts on the Internet allegations about biased dice. (Naming at least one casino here that I do not care to repeat)

Running off players isn't an achievement. And I don't do it in a way that anyone knows that I am doing it.

The other stuff you rattled off is pretty accurate. But as far as making a "name for myself" nobody outside of this forum generally knows all of this stuff you mentioned here.

The dealers and pit at each casino are generally only aware of what happens at that casino. The rare exception is if I share a story with the dealers from another casino.

I absolutely think players who think it's fun to run off other players make the game less fun for others.

Of all the arrogant things to do... take away other people's 'fun', while claiming it's the only reason they play craps is to have fun.

Shakeshead... done with this craps crap now.

Quote: Jimbo

I do not intend to be confrontational and I hesitate to even pursue this point--at the risk of provoking an inflamed response--but how does one dependably and consistently run off other players at a craps table?

You don't do it consistently. As soon as the dice leave my hands, all I can do is bet and hope. If the table gets hot, I don't enjoy a win, lately. I watch a win. If I'm betting a random bet here and there hoping people will leave, I'm not always just betting the DC. But if the first bet I make is a come bet, and the seven comes, I might say "oh I jinxed the table."

There has been only one player in all my history of doing this type of thing that has said "you bet for the seven" referring to how I try to time a bet on the come bet hoping for a seven. I don't think anybody else has made the connection, but it still seems to be effective. That's just one thing. But I can never do it consistently. It works sometimes and it doesn't work sometimes.

Quote: Jimbo

I know that it is possible to be obnoxious so as to create an intolerable atmosphere at the table--and assuming the boxperson does not step in to control the situation as the box should--then that would drive others away. But I don't think that is the "skill" that you are referring to.

No I try hard NOT to be obnoxious actually, and I am usually only obnoxious to dealers in an endearing kind of way when it's only me at the table. And I only act that way at a table where I go every day. I tip according to how well they put up with me when I'm acting this way, so it balances out. But with players, no.

Quote: Jimbo

You say there are "tons of things" that can be done, which I presume means that you are in full control of these things so that you can reliably achieve your goal of running people off.

You even mention in a different post that you can get others off the table without them even knowing what you are doing.

I am curious. Exactly what do you do?

Simple stuff like "you're up, that's awesome!" Just even being happy for someone else winning money and pointing out that they have more money than they started. Most people have a tendency to gamble until they lose it all. Dealers are trained to take it all. I really think a lot of people who read what I said interpreted what I said in the worst possible way.

Quote: Jimbo

You stated that you "let two Georges win" on your roll. How do you "let" someone else win? What are you controlling to "let" this happen?

By not passing the dice and giving it my best attempt to win their bets with everything that I know about my theoretical bias. The only "let" was that I didn't pass the dice. They could have won without my help.

Quote: Jimbo

I also started to ask "why" would anyone want to develop such a skill (as you describe it), but I suppose if a person believes in their ability to control the dice and it is important to have a table that is fairly empty--to facilitate more shooting opportunities and maybe to also eliminate betting chips on the table which could interfere with the controlled shot--then there is the answer for running off other players. And then I recall one of your posts in which you state that if you have limited time and want to the dice, then you will clear the table. So I think I understand "why" you believe it is necessary to run off the other players.

Again, how do you do that?

Separate from your ability or "skill" in controlling the table in this manner, there is the question of your attitude towards the other players. From the apparent tone of your posts, it seems as if you are vindictive in your desire to run off other players, and that baffles me.

I want everyone to win in the casino. Don't you?

I am a VERY nice guy at the table. There are some exceptions, but I am. Ask Teddy. He's played with me more than anyone else from this forum. Teddy can tell you that I am super fun to be around at the table.

Quote: thecesspit

I absolutely think players who think it's fun to run off other players make the game less fun for others.

Of all the arrogant things to do... take away other people's 'fun', while claiming it's the only reason they play craps is to have fun.

Shakeshead... done with this craps crap now.

I'm pretty sure you have a different idea about it than me. I didn't say it was "fun" to run them off, and I only do this when the table would normally be empty. It's not like I'm a big kill joy on Friday or Saturday night. That's not even possible!!!

There is a lot of context in what I'm saying.

A lot of people on this forum don't ever even PLAY craps at the times of day and days of the week in which what I am describing happens.

Quote: Ahigh

I am a VERY nice guy at the table.

Quote: Ahigh

I have don'ts bet against me. I exclaim "WINNER" as they walk away. Join the club.

I am trying to reconcile these two apparent contrasting statements--where the second quote is in the context of betting "against" you.

What is "nice" about taking satisfaction in seeing the Don't Player walk away a loser--and then rub further salt in their wound by exclaiming "winner?"

Are you nice to other players only if and when they bet with you?

I was not even concerned about you running off players. I don't care especially if they have no clue about it. If I was playing a positive game and someone was costing me money I may want to do the same. What I was concerned about is you said it PERIOD especially in whats Perceived to be in a bragging way. I think it makes all AP LOOK BAD. Defiantly if I was a pit boss
and I knew who you were. After hearing/seeing what you wrote I would 86 you and anyone playing craps with you.

Quote: Ahigh

I'm pretty sure you have a different idea about it than me. I didn't say it was "fun" to run them off, and I only do this when the table would normally be empty. It's not like I'm a big kill joy on Friday or Saturday night. That's not even possible!!!

There is a lot of context in what I'm saying.

A lot of people on this forum don't ever even PLAY craps at the times of day and days of the week in which what I am describing happens.

Whatever. I am sure i do have a different idea about it than you. I've read plenty enough about your absolute ideas.

Ahigh, the more you talk, the more you dig yourself a hole around here. You should just go back to doing your research and playing. Also, in case you're confused, the dealers don't give a crap about you. From what you've mentioned, you tip them. That's what they like and want and that's why they work to inflate your (easily) inflated ego when you are there.

ZCore13

Quote: Zcore13

Ahigh, the more you talk, the more you dig yourself a hole around here. You should just go back to doing your research and playing. Also, in case you're confused, the dealers don't give a crap about you. From what you've mentioned, you tip them. That's what they like and want and that's why they work to inflate your (easily) inflated ego when you are there.

ZCore13

Ok

the more I think about this why don't casinos promote this? seems to me if proven true people would flock to craps tables and try to do it. unsuccessfully of course. Compared to blackjack this is 100x harder but looks a lot easier and no real math skills or complicated counting needed. casinos could pay you to teach DI classes you could have a 2 classes for one deal VP with Bob dancer and craps with Ahigh.

Quote: AxelWolf

the more I think about this why don't casinos promote this? seems to me if proven true people would flock to craps tables and try to do it. unsuccessfully of course. Compared to blackjack this is 100x harder but looks a lot easier and no real math skills or complicated counting needed. casinos could pay you to teach DI classes you could have a 2 classes for one deal VP with Bob dancer and craps with Ahigh.

NOW you are on the same page with me. And yes.

I've even approached a couple casinos with an idea for a 100% skill-based craps throwing competition.

Basically, the bets are set on the felt by a dealer as directed by a computer algorithm and the shooter can only shoot to win. IE: no betting strategies are employed by the player to win, he can only shoot to win towards bets placed by the house.

The algorithm to place the bets according to the shots that are rolled are the same, but the way that the bets unfold is disclosed ahead of time, and is familiar to an experienced craps player.

No real interest yet, but I've approached multiple casinos with the idea.

I've been pursuing this in the background for a while and I do think at some point someone will bite.

Okay but your not in this for the profits so any money offered to you or made from this should go to me. I will then become a Belieber

I tried a new betting strategy at lunch I came up with from my theoretical bias.

$5 don't pass on the comeout. $25 buy bet working on the four. Aim for a four (2323 set).

I made three points doing this. I place the point after a point is set; I hit two fours and make $4 total from rolling a hard six winner and a hard 8 winner in process of hitting my four.

I hit a hard four and an easy four for $98 total in pay.

I got to $100 profit with no sevens. My theoretical advantage being $0.75 per roll and after making my third point (profiting $2 on that) I say "I gotta go, everything down pass the dice" and I leave with $100 profit with no more than $30 exposure at any moment and only about 15 rolls with no seven.

It should take me 133 rolls on average to make $100 profit with that strategy, so I decided I got really lucky to do it while making three points and called it a successful session. The session lasted about 8 minutes.

In for $100 out for $208, tip the dealers two bucks and I'm gone! I did gamble $5 at a time and made $10 profit on random shooters before I shot too.

Was I lucky? YES. Was it fun? YES. Did I play according to my theoretical edge instead of according to a random shot? YES.

When I hit that hard four from my hard four set, it was a beautiful thing. And I love seeing what should be the undesirable ace-deuce from my hard 8 set making me $49 with the 2323 set. That ace-deuce has haunted me for so long, nice to make it my friend turning it into an ace-tres instead of ace-deuce.

Older Patrick was on box. I think Tom was dealing to me (dealer who used to work at Buffalo Bills). Bridget was dealing the other side and Tim was on stick. It was a real quick and neat session.

If you've followed my videos, the ace-deuce has been my heaviest easy outcome since the beginning. I have lost a $750 come bet to an ace-deuce. My arch-rival!!! LOL.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Ahigh must certainly be making a name for himself at Vegas casinos.
)

I'm starting to think Ahigh is the greatest thing since
colored toilet paper.

Acesandeights

is 100% incorrect..... they do worry about your shot.


I have spoken to a number of casino folks about dice setting, in several states and also here in Wisconsin. The
reason they give is always we want the game to move along.... and i guess it may be what some of the casinos
even think. But that is not what happens.

Three caes in point...

1.... Keshena Wi ...... 3 years a go a dice team came through and took some from the casino. and they
banned dice sitting.... for two years. I know the folks there and asked them and they told me it was
what had to be done... Two years later they had already closed the large table and moved it from the
casino and they got a tub and never even used that. Their play had dwindled to nothing.
They re-opened it to dicesitting and they are faily busy, they indicated they had made a mistake
and wanted all the players back. had nothing to do with slowing the game.

2......AQ.....Laughlin .. last year i played there a couple of times. first time the table was quite full
and the typical thing withg flying all over and off the table,. it was terribly slow and i did not do well
Came back the next day and same guy, and there were only 3 at the table, and i threw well and he
watched the throw and i made a couple of numbers and right away he said.... no, you cant throw like
that, youd dice can not hit the table bounce up and come to rest that close to the back wall... they
have to roll more away from the wall.. de did not say a word about slowing the table

3.......Trop .. laughlin.. last weekend
west to the table,,, there were 4 people it, a girl got the dice two times and each time she threw the dice off
the table several times and they had to look for the dice... they never said a word about slowing the game, the
pit boss did not lean over the table and tell her to keep the dice on the table and not slow the game done.

I got the dice and made a 6 & 8 right away and he leaned over and said you cant throw like that, your dice have to
hit the back wall and and roll much further from the wall..... he did not say anything about slowing the game, i was
10 times faster than that girl.

I am not saying they should be afraid of my throw, i am a small better, but some casinos are. And it is your throw or
they would say something right away, not after your throw looked like it had some control to it.

Dicesitter

So why do you use the word sitter when the word is setter???

Quote: DeMango

So why do you use the word sitter when the word is setter???

IKR!!!

Sorry....IKR??

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ikr

I'm responding as if we are only referencing the physical aspect of di.
It's got to be started at the point of first contact of the hand of each throw. When the di
is making the set. The final outcome is probably determined right there right then as is with the
results of a rng. The final results are determined then before the wheels start turning. Even if
the end result of the toss isn't the desired outcome, just throwing them well is an accomplishment
in itself. I prefer to see them fly orderly down the felt, not the scatter effect and other players
covering their eyes.
Yeah, there are degrees of influence as with any scope the further away from the beginning
the greater the error.
For those that have said they would like to see a di shoot from a really short distance and think
the results would be just as random, ha, me too. I played with a center board the other night giving
me a 7 ft. or so table. That was fun, but they took the board away pretty quick.
Do I count an influenced 6 or 8 the same as a haphazard toss? No, I don't count them the same
way but I'll gladly take their money. Anybody that's ever played pool has kept the benefit of a few
slop shot's.
Do seven's count? Sure. Fame to shame is only a quarter turn away. I don't think a reasonable
confidence level of 80-90% would be that hard to show to an objective viewer.

Referencing your post on another thread did you mean the next topic or new topic?

Quote: Ahigh

A lot of people on this forum don't ever even PLAY craps at the times of day and days of the week in which what I am describing happens.

Which I understand to be the middle of the night.

None of my business, but if you have a day job, and a wife at home ...

*connect the dots*

I generally play at the most opportune times for empty tables. My personal life has nothing to do with the art of finding an empty table. I can generally do it any time and day, but by definition I am where other people are not.

This thread is awesome. I've been gone and come back to read this stuff. Xcellent lol.

On an unrelated note...anyone ever meet the Captain?

Quote: klimate10

This thread is awesome. I've been gone and come back to read this stuff. Xcellent lol.

On an unrelated note...anyone ever meet the Captain?

I heard he gets around. Sometimes he shacks up with Sasquatch in the woods, sometimes he hangs at the North Pole with Santa. The Tooth Fairy is usually too busy helping Ahigh in the "art of finding an empty table", as both are well known artists.

ZCore13

Did you guys run off Frank Scoblete? Is he not on this board anymore? I kinda like the guy and his stories. He's got balls.

Frank wasn't here for the long run, he made a brief appearance to try to cull material for his new book.

While he claimed he was focusing on people who post on gambling boards, that seems pretty dull material for a book, so I dismiss that as subterfuge.

His REAL reason for coming here ... he's looking to replace / reinvent The Captain of Craps with a new, modern version of casino anti-hero.

Not only will his newest creation (let's call him "Phil O. Crap") smash Patricia Demauro's record roll of 154 numbers before sevening out, he'll do it blithely, effortlessly, all while sitting on the toilet in his palatial casino suite, far from the casino floor.

The secret: Frank's Next Big Thing: Mind Dice Control.

Think telekinesis, but instead of bending spoons Phil O. Crap will maintain rigorous control of the dice, even when they're in the next county.

Quote: MrV

Frank wasn't here for the long run, he made a brief appearance to try to cull material for his new book.

While he claimed he was focusing on people who post on gambling boards, that seems pretty dull material for a book, so I dismiss that as subterfuge.

His REAL reason for coming here ... he's looking to replace / reinvent The Captain of Craps with a new, modern version of casino anti-hero.

Not only will his newest creation (let's call him "Phil O. Crap") smash Patricia Demauro's record roll of 154 numbers before sevening out, he'll do it blithely, effortlessly, all while sitting on the toilet in his palatial casino suite, far from the casino floor.

The secret: Frank's Next Big Thing: Mind Dice Control.

Think telekinesis, but instead of bending spoons Phil O. Crap will maintain rigorous control of the dice, even when they're in the next county.

Now there's a post that's full of shit. Where's the goddamn quality control on this forum?

What do we have here? Slander? Bullshit? Hate? Envy? All of the above?

This post is disgusting. You guys ran Frank off. He wrote some stuff on Facebook about all your sarcastic bullshit and he left for good.

You want some credit? Take credit for that. And where's your proof that you're not a big fat loser? Your posts and posts very much like yours here stink up this whole damn forum!

Why such venom, gentlemen? Let's just all get along and go loot a Circuit City.

Quote: klimate10

and go loot a Circuit City.

I think I get it However I may not. Explain

Quote: Ahigh

Now there's a post that's full of shit. Where's the goddamn quality control on this forum?

That would be me, and I read every thread. Anything in Mr. V's post that could be construed as an insult to Mr. Scoblete would be pursuant to the Statler and Waldorf standard. The majority of that post was sarcasm, nothing more or less, having perused the vast majority of your posts, I believe that you are quite familiar with sarcasm.

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This post is disgusting. You guys ran Frank off. He wrote some stuff on Facebook about all your sarcastic bullshit and he left for good.

The first statement is your opinion, and the second statement is irrelevant. Mr. Scoblete, who I respect as a brilliant individual, is free to come back and defend himself against his detractors, ignore them or he may avoid coming back if he so chooses. If he feels that any statements made by his detractors were out of line, or otherwise in violation of the Rules, he may report any such post(s) to myself, Wizard or JB and we would certainly be happy to review them.

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You want some credit? Take credit for that. And where's your proof that you're not a big fat loser? Your posts and posts very much like yours here stink up this whole damn forum!

I found the toilet thing hilarious, in all honesty.

FWIW, I recognize Frank as the most successful writer about gambling in America today.

He is a gifted scribe who has managed to claw his way to the top of the pantheon.

However, I have a serious question about the foundation of his success, i.e. dice setting.

I've nothing against Frank, the man: my disagreement is with his methods.

Yes, my sarcasm/ satire can get extreme sometimes, but it is in aid of one thing: critical thinking.

Quote:

MrV
It gets better.

In all the history of craps, there is NO PROOF that an individual has achieved a true edge against the casino via dice setting / DI; stated differently, no individual has been tested and objectively proven to be able to intentionally and regularly influence the outcome of a roll.

MrV The only thing that you have is some great fiction writers making outrages claims to fame, how about the one that nobody has ever seen in a real casino and some of the most outrages claims to fame that anybody has ever written about the game of craps.
There are so many by just one writer, that he has to be the best craps shooter in the world, too bad no one has ever seen him at a real craps table, doing what he claims to do all the time.

I always loved this one that can be found on page 255 of his book “The Mad Professor's Crapshooting Bible”

This is where he wrote he had 1 to 7 players on the table and this are the hands he claimed to roll.
There were 18 hands and here is what he claimed the rolls were.

Rolls: 8, 12, 10, 4, 27, 18, 41, 21, 9, 30, 40, 39, 6, 5, 32, 45, 32, 17. 386 rolls in total so that would work out to be about 120 rolls per hour. Because he also wrote that he played there for only two and a half hours. Even if he was there just by himself it would be hard to get pass the 120 rolls per hour, but you had one to seven other players on that table, what happened to the time it would take them to shoot? At that rate he would have needed over three and a half hours and he was only there two and a half hours! We still didn't take into account for the other players on the table!

One thing that you see all the time when playing craps is that everybody thinks they can do the same thing that a good shooter just did on the table, so everybody what's to shoot. Now here would be my question for anybody that believes this BS that he wrote.

Why would anybody leave that table?

Would you leave if this one shooters average roll was 22 rolls of the dice?

If you are the mystical player Keno Robbie, would you head to the poker room, if you knew the shooter?

This is just one of his great pieces of fiction that he wrote in his book, there are so many more that I can't cover them all.
If you want to read a master piece of fiction on craps and being a DI, I would highly recommended this book!

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If for nothing else, you will get to read great lines like this one, that you will find on page 256.

Craps is a game that I use to fuel a lifestyle that I like. I love beating an “unbeatable” game, and I like the money that it generates. To make serious money, you have to take this game seriously.

Did anybody ever stop to ask themselves why his book was named the “Crapshooting Bible”?
Could it just be that you must have all the faith in the world to believe the BS that you will find in his book? Oh by the way read page 19 also, I think your get a kick out of that little story too!

Is it fiction or is it the truth, was it written to sell becoming a so-called DI, most players that play all the time have a very definite opinion. You got to remember that here you have a guy that use to claim he had a SRR of 28, but came out on Heavy's board and after all those years of vigorously defending that claim to fame, as it put it he made a mistake when he figured out his SRR. Did that claim to fame finally catch up to him, when to many of us were saying no way Jose! Did Heavy do everybody a favor when he finally had to say BS to, his most prolific writer on becoming a DI.

Over the years I've found that by reading some of the trip reports that are posted on the various craps boards you can get a very revealing insight to see how some of these BS stories are made up. One guy will write that they killed the table they were playing on, then a few post later someone who is not writing BS will write that they all got killed, and they should have played the don't! This goes back a forth, till you don't know what really happened.

So now you have a story that is so blown out of proportion that nobody will ever get the real story about how these DI's did when they were playing, all on the same table, but with different accounts about what happened!

Then we have the greatest story of them all, The Captain and his roll that nobody ever saw happened, that just faded into darkness, until FS wrote about it. Isn't it funny that nobody has ever come forward and talked about that roll? Not one of the dealers or suits or any of the other players that were suppose to be there?

Can anybody see why some players would have a hard time believing this story about the Captain?
Lets see nobody ever met the Captain or The Madprofessor, they never showed up for one of the many classes that all these DI schools had and stayed hiding behind a curtain for how many years?

Really now,.. if these great writers on DI's would want to prove that there are DI's and dice control is possible, wouldn't you bring out the big guns, like The Captain and The Madprofessor?

Look there is no doubt that great rolls do happen, look at the 154 roll that was done by a random roller, we all have proof that happened, but we don't have proof that these other great rolls ever happened, we only have what an author wrote to sell books or to sell other players on becoming a so-called DI.

If you want proof of anything just look at Ahigh's video. Move it to around 27:41, Then ask yourself if the dice stay on axis!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxeKk73zpok


Just remember every time someone makes a shot on a craps table, this is what is really happening with their dice, they are bouncing around all over the place, sure they may end up on the numbers the shooter was hoping to get, but they are still just random.

The only thing that we will ever know for sure is that, there are some individuals that make a lot of money off of players that want to become a so-called DI, that need stories of great rolls, and outrages claims, to sell what they are selling.

We are now stepping into a gray area, because there are some of these classes that do a good job of teaching shooting and betting the game of craps, that don't make outrages claims about the guys winning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year off of the craps tables.

Some of these writer have done more damage to the game of craps then they did good, we now have heat.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13529-can-you-be-banned-for-dice-control-have-casinos-done-this/3/

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FS

I don't know if I will be the ruin of craps. I hope not. There are more craps tables in America today than at any time in history. They are just spread out. But one truly negative thing is happening. The casinos would love slot-table-games or electronic-table-games (as they call them here in New York) to take over the landscape. Yes, that would be a sin.

Now maybe I'm taking that quote out of context, but when you have anybody making outrages claims to fame that can not be proven, Like the Captain, or all the BS that is written about being a DI, casinos take counter measures to protect their money.

Everybody has the right to question these outrages claims to fame, about dice control. I always go back to the old saying, “If it sounds to good to be true, most likely it not true.”

No, no, I have not run off but I have been traveling to casinos. When I go I do take quite a bit of time since this is where I get my ideas. Also, I am involved in several book projects and one movie project so my work time just consumes me.

I did finish the article on the message boards and it will appear in Casino Player Magazine over the summer (I think). I gave this message board the highest rating.

As far as insulting me, come on, I have been insulted by the best in the insult business. The typical insults such as scammer, liar, bs artist, inventor, fiction writer, hack writer and such are merely standard attacks. I've had reviews done by people who claim certain things are in the book they are reviewing that are not in the book. I've had reviewers claim I said things that I would never say. I've had people quote me on the 5-Count with quotes I never said then attack me for these quotes. I even had one reviewer write a whole review on a single sentence in one of my books. It wasn't even that good a sentence.

There are two insults over the years that I have come to love. They showed inventiveness and a real hatred towards me. I have never met the individuals who really have such strong feelings about me but these two writers really loathe me.

1. If I ever woke up and discovered I was Frank Scoblete, I would kill myself.
2. Frank Scoblete is a blood clot. (This is my favorite of all time.)

I do think sarcasm is a weak form of discussion. Generally it appeals to those who agree with you already. It won't change someone's mind or open the mind of someone who doesn't agree with you. So to me, while such comments can be funny if you agree with them, they don't advance anything except the standing of the "sarcasticist" among his co-thinkers.

Most of us think we are right. Most of us think we are smart. Therefore anyone who disagrees with us must be wrong and can't be smart so why not broadside them with vicious wit.

Mr. Scoblete I for one enjoy your post. I had my very first experience at a craps table last weekend. Just because you have joined this forum and have participated here I'm going to purchase a book that a local book store has that's written by you. I'm not at all convinced that DI is possible and I'm fairly certain even if it is I'll never accomplish it. However your post have been well written and I've enjoyed what you've had to say so I'm going to buy the book. I'll let you know what my thoughts are concerning the book. I can't remember the name of it right off, but I do know that it had a DVD included with it. I hope you stay around and continue to be a part of this forum.

Frank has certainly done more good for the game of craps than not.

Sure, I question the efficacy of the five count, and my opinion on dice setting is that it doesn't work to change the randomness of the game, BUT Frank has helped fan the flame to keep the game of craps viable in the casinos today.

He, more than any other individual, has taken the game to the next level via introducing to the mass market the (false!) notion that with hard work, a sharp player can turn the tables on the big, bad casinos.

Many disagree: the lines have been drawn, and its adherents and detractors are quite vocal.

Key: controversy causes interest.

His ability to use dice setting as a focus point for his books has attracted many new readers, and many new players to the game, and that is where the rubber meets the road.

Mr. V, thank you for that post. I realize you do not agree with me but your post made me feel as if I have helped to save a great game. I have no problem with people who disagree with me.

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Mr. V, thank you for that post. I realize you do not agree with me but your post made me feel as if I have helped to save a great game. I have no problem with people who disagree with me.

For sure on all counts. As a don't bettor who is far from being mathematically inclined, I give you much props for your advocacy, even though the few times I roll I always get razzed for not hitting the wall. Because as we all know, no one can shoot as hot as a don't bettor.

Mr. Scoblete I have one question..

In one of your books you mentioned pat's record setting roll in chapter 10... And immediately in chapter 11 the title was "dice control, the only way to win in craps"... (just paraphrasing)

What was is the link between her "roll" and dice control? And I do respect your work, I just wanted to hear how they correlate.

I don't think they do correlate. One is a once in a lifetime event and the other chapter is how to actually win at the game over time. I don't have a copy of the book handy but I would think that was it.

Thanks for the response..

Mr Scoblete,

The book that is avaliable to me locally is Casino Craps Shoot to Win, written by you and Dominator. Do you reccomend this book for novice players? I know that there are several books avaliable from you and I would be interested in which one you would reccomend to a complete novice to the game. Thanks!!

As for the craps stories about the "Captain", it's definitely difficult to believe because with modern "ultra long rolls", as evidenced by Patricia Demauro, any ultra long roll will likely be re-reviewed by video surveillance for possible irregularities and at the very least, statistical proof. Casinos would actually like to promote a very long roll to drag more people into the game. Did the casino that the Captain threw his 147 roll at promote this? If not, WHY not? If the Captain didn't want his name released, the casino still has the right to publish a 147 roll occurred anonymously.

Also does the Captain look like this?

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Also does the Captain look like this?

*chortle*

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You guys ran Frank off.

I don't think so. Some people told Frank what they really think of him, which I'm sure he gets everywhere on the internet. But in general I think he was treated with much respect for someone in his position.

Mikey, that's the book. I think it is the best book ever written about craps --- and don't anyone call be biased!