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TheWolf713
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March 16th, 2013 at 1:56:20 PM permalink
"there's a hard 8!!! There goes a 6!! Definitely on axis now, 5,aces, 7out!!"

How many times have you seen this? How many times have you seen a person go through a 30 second dice ritual and 7 out before your drink order comes back?

There have been many threads lately about cheating and biased dice, but I wanted to ask a few questions that maybe someone can answer..

When does Dice influence Actually start during a roll? And exactly When does it end?
What's the difference between a 'influenced' 6 or 8 and a random 6 & 8? Do you count only one of them?
Does increasing the amount of sevens thrown count as influence too?
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sodawater
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March 16th, 2013 at 2:06:58 PM permalink
the entire endeavor of "dice influence" is one giant circlejerk in the practice of confirmation bias.
SanchoPanza
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March 16th, 2013 at 2:20:21 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

Does increasing the amount of sevens thrown count as influence too?


Sure does for us don't bettors. Where do we sign up?
onenickelmiracle
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March 16th, 2013 at 3:09:11 PM permalink
I have wondered how many rolls must be made to either prove or disprove this idea.
EvenBob
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March 16th, 2013 at 3:16:38 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

the entire endeavor of "dice influence" is one giant circlejerk in the practice of confirmation bias.



But fun is had by all, isn't that the purpose of
such a circle?
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thecesspit
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March 17th, 2013 at 12:09:00 AM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

When does Dice influence Actually start during a roll? And exactly When does it end?
What's the difference between a 'influenced' 6 or 8 and a random 6 & 8? Do you count only one of them?
Does increasing the amount of sevens thrown count as influence too?



No individual roll is a sign of 'influence'. Which is part of the problem for proving it actually exists.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
TheWolf713
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March 17th, 2013 at 6:34:28 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

No individual roll is a sign of 'influence'. Which is part of the problem for proving it actually exists.



Exactly....

Each roll is independent so a DI's mindset would be something like this...

Influenced roll
Influenced roll
Random roll off axis
Ehh kind of influenced roll (because it's a number they feel is in their advantage)
Random roll
7 out (yet it would like all the other 'influenced' rolls)

So is the picking and choosing of certain rolls at your leisure one of the prerequisites for being a DI? Just trying to understand the mindset..
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Ahigh
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March 17th, 2013 at 7:41:34 AM permalink
One time when dice influencing starts is when you get banned from shooting.

This happened to me yesterday at the Gold Coast casino. This is the first time this has happened to me, but it confirmed that they are worried about my shot.

TeddyS was with me. But I was writing stuff down and looking at papers on how to set the dice before my throws, and they told me I couldn't shoot at the Gold Coast for the next 24 hours.

I was getting heat yesterday more than usual. I think it's just because Teddy is so suspicious looking though. Normally I am just laughing it up and there are no worries. But they were criticizing my shot all day at half the places I went to play.

At LVH all my shots were 100% fine, and they criticized me for taking too long. When they did that I sent the dice back to the center and asked the stick Michael, the hispanic stick man who looked like Cheech Marin, "what?" IE: I took more time to have him clarify the "rule" that I have to shoot more quickly.

I told him "I don't know of any rule that I have to play at a certain speed!" It began to turn into an argument, and I quickly sevened out and asked, "are you happier now?"

When it was my turn to shoot next, I told them "it's not fun for me anymore" and Curtis on box snickered. I was 100% serious. I asked out loud "what are you laughing about?" He didn't answer.

These guys act like it's a big joke when you take the game seriously. But if they REALLY weren't worried, they would pretend that they wanted you to win with any legal shot you got. That doesn't happen when you are rolling well at any casino that sweats the money.
odiousgambit
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March 17th, 2013 at 7:52:55 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I was writing stuff down and looking at papers on how to set the dice before my throws, and they told me I couldn't shoot at the Gold Coast for the next 24 hours.



There must be more to this! What reason did they give you? You were taking too long?
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Ahigh
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March 17th, 2013 at 7:57:22 AM permalink
All the rolls that they were concerned about had one die hitting the back wall and one die coming up short. This is a type of questionable roll, but the pedantic places that are worried about enforcing the rules at the risk of angering players will tell you "both dice have to hit the back wall" and then they start warning you that the dice are going to get taken away if BOTH dice don't hit the back wall.

I kept throwing the same way, and one of the two dice came up short again (on the seven out!) and they banned me for 24 hours (anyway).

I told Wenda that if she banned me, it wouldn't hurt my feelings and I wouldn't take it personally. More than anyone else, Wenda is the one who gets in my case about everything at Gold Coast. I enjoy it and I tell her as much.

Wenda also feeds me at TGI Fridays when I have 20x the amount of action on random shooters and myself. She just doesn't like her table dumping on other people's money when I'm focusing more on having a longer roll instead of gambling (I only had a $5 line bet with no odds when they were complaining). I obviously do more of both, but less obviously, I am a big gambler there that does black chip bet on random shots (my own and others'). Otherwise they might have banned me for more than 24 hours for all I know...(?)

This place has a six-point fire bet that pays 1000-to-1 which could factor in to things a bit as they do pay big every now and then.

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