sodawater
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January 14th, 2013 at 3:40:42 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I do happen to know a true dice controller. He's a surgeon. But even he is not flawless and cannot deliver numbers on demand. I would just say he has a higher level of ability than the other so called dice controllers.



is it that surgeon from the midwest who invented a pai gow tiles strategy?
Mission146
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January 14th, 2013 at 3:47:58 PM permalink
Quote: megapixels

Yes, you can control the fact that the dice either do, or do not, hit the back wall. That's about it.



I think you're giving me too much credit.
Vultures can't be choosers.
Ahigh
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January 14th, 2013 at 3:57:10 PM permalink
I'll chime in here: I have dice go off the table, and into the rail.

In some cases when this happens (specifically into the rail) it's a more favorable result than bouncing back on the felt. And something to think about when considering control.

When you do mess up, a no roll condition is not a bad thing.

I have had dice go into the rail 5 or 6 times in a row and I wasn't upset about it.

I absolutely was glad they were going into the rail because I had no interest in seeing what that would resolve to.

I don't know what percentage of my rolls are those that I consider as good as I can deliver, but it's less than half.

Anytime I have a roll that isn't that great, going into the rail is a wonderful result.

I bounce my dice high to get up above the pyramids. It's not hard to understand that a bad bounce or throwing a bit too far will cause them to go into the rail.
CrapsForever
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January 14th, 2013 at 4:20:46 PM permalink
..........
Craps is the most "Jekyll and Hyde" casino game ever invented!
AlanMendelson
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January 14th, 2013 at 4:29:51 PM permalink
Sodawater: No and I played with him twice about ten years ago, and haven't seen him since. He really had the form and style and I played with him twice on $100 tables and he had great hands, but even he would NEVER claim that he could control the dice to any degree.

He literally had the hands and the touch and the feel for handling the cubes. But even he knew his limits.
Ahigh
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January 14th, 2013 at 4:38:25 PM permalink
There are plenty of people who think that I am amazing who have only seen me roll well. The last time I went out with Teddy, the crowd of people at the Joker's Wild were roaring so loudly the entire casino could hear them. I rolled seven points and made more money than every else at the table COMBINED for my roll. I lost money betting on other shooters before getting the dice and still ended up losing the session at the end of my roll.

Those guys who were cheering, it was a table full of people. And the biggest winner probably only won $100 even after I rolled seven points.

And those guys are probably telling stories about how I was the most amazing shooter they ever saw. I put on a real show.

But them believing that doesn't make it true.

Teddy was just there shaking his head because he and I both lost and he gave up. I told him "I haven't even touched the dice yet, I want to roll."

I still didn't bet enough to get back all the money I bet on the losers of the Joker's Wild casino, though.

Truly pathetic! But WHAT A GREAT SHOOTER I AM -- especially to those who never saw me before, and will never see me again.

Even though I won more money than everybody on the table COMBINED on my roll, I still didn't make up for the losses betting on all the other random shooters before me.

My point is that if you don't see someone shoot at least a couple thousand times, you have no idea if you just caught some lucky streak or not. You can easily have lucky streaks of 300 rolls.

Having winning streaks of 10,000 rolls is where it defines how good you are. And even then, randomness and plain-old max odds on 10x produces wins over 10,000 rolls PLENTY of the time!!
MrV
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January 14th, 2013 at 5:26:52 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Plenty of know-it-alls out there. Dogma doesn't help you win the game. ... I don't have much evidence I am doing anything special according to feedback from guys on here about my evidence.



I suggest that if in fact you are as serious about this nonsense as you seem to be that you involve Wong.

See if you can convince him that it works.

Once bitten, shy of fire ...
"What, me worry?"
MathExtremist
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January 14th, 2013 at 5:36:17 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Having winning streaks of 10,000 rolls is where it defines how good you are. And even then, randomness and plain-old max odds on 10x produces wins over 10,000 rolls PLENTY of the time!!


That's true, so how do you plan to determine whether your winning sessions in a casino are due to luck or whether you are, in fact, influencing the dice?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Ahigh
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January 14th, 2013 at 5:46:50 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

That's true, so how do you plan to determine whether your winning sessions in a casino are due to luck or whether you are, in fact, influencing the dice?



I missed the post where I said that I am winning so much money that I must have an edge.

In case anybody missed this point, I am not a lifetime winner at the game of craps. My lifetime losses are in the small single thousand dollars, and have been for a couple of years now.

And just as I don't BLAME my LACK of ability to shoot the dice for my losses, I would not ATTRIBUTE my ability to WIN to my shooting either.

It is plain BORING to grind an edge, EVEN IF YOU CAN GET IT.

I play to have fun, and you can TRUST AND KNOW THAT I HAVE FUN WHEN I PLAY.

The way I plan to determine if bias on the dice is possible has nothing at all to do with gambling and winning in the casino except that I find that a fun way to practice my throw.

I can still gamble and win, but it means nothing to prove dice control. That's why I film and do research.

I may become a lifetime winner at some point, but that wouldn't further my quest to prove dice control is possible.

I could take a couple of bets today and become a lifetime winner pretty easily if that were all it took. I have been known to walk up to the table with $20,000 in cash, and I could easily walk up with multiples of that amount if there were a reason to, and I could EASILY become a lifetime winner, but that proves absolutely nothing.
Ahigh
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January 14th, 2013 at 5:51:38 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I suggest that if in fact you are as serious about this nonsense as you seem to be that you involve Wong.



I don't know of a single person that I have told "no, sorry but you can't come by my house."

I'm not seeking out anybody right now as I have no shortage of things to do without any help.

If Wong is already pre-disposed towards the notion that it's not possible, I have no interest in contacting him.

It doesn't sound like fun.

Plus, I still want to know why some white dude wants to be called Wong. I read his name for months thinking he was some Asian dude before reading whatever story for why he wanted to be known as "Wong," and I can't remember the story, but it didn't make me think, "wow I want to be like THAT guy."

Here is Dr. Wong from Stanford:



That is the image this guy wants for himself to people who never heard of him?

Why? To sell more books because he sounds like a smart guy? What is the real reason again?

Do you think that this guy KNEW that there's a Dr. Wong at Stanford University in California?

Whatever.

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