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May 19th, 2018 at 11:32:16 PM permalink
Whoever ratted me out to Downtown Grand and the rest of Downtown during or after the Spring Fling and i know who it probably was, good job, just realize this town will never get rid of me and theres nothing any of you can do about it, including the casinos. This town is at my mercy, not the other way around. You can kick me out every time and ill still keep on coming back. You guys aint shit. Good luck with your fake unconstitutional trespasses. This town has never seen someone like me and never will. Never meeting with any of you guys again.

Not to mention, it's time to set the record straight, im the only legit blackjack player out there. The rest of these fake ass stories you hear on that fraud GWAE podcast is exactly that, a fraud to promote blackjack apprenticeship such as the Yoshi and Joe stories. KJ, Colin Jones and the rest of the crew are also all frauds.

God bless me. No matter the adversity, no one can stop me. Keep it coming.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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May 19th, 2018 at 11:51:31 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Whoever ratted me out to Downtown Grand and the rest of Downtown during or after the Spring Fling and i know who it probably was, good job

What and who are you going on about? This seems a bit paranoid, even for you ZK.
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:13:42 AM permalink
I will get the popcorn for this thread.
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:24:19 AM permalink
Quote: Jmarch79

I will get the popcorn for this thread.



No salt for me please...butter is fine though
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:27:09 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG



Not to mention, it's time to set the record straight, im the only legit blackjack player out there.



Anyone who sits down and plays blackjack is a blackjack player. Legit.




Gonna quote myself from another thread of yours and change the size of some words

Quote: GlenG

Why are you still in here still bitching about it? What do you think anyone in this forum can do about it? Seriously, just shut up

If you're really passionate about this, why don't you Lawyer up (or like you said, you were gonna defend yourself) and File a case? If it turns into a change of policy for things in casino, then congrats you win. Otherwise, You're just all talk and no game.

Maybe you can shed light to the masses? I have a few friends who work for the LVRJ (Las Vegas Review Journal) , want me to get some names and #s for you?
Or you can call local news, Theres KSNV3, KTNV13, KVVU5..etc

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May 20th, 2018 at 12:46:08 AM permalink
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:46:17 AM permalink
I have a feeling who this might be about....you might want to mask those swears though!
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May 20th, 2018 at 2:05:29 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Not to mention, it's time to set the record straight, im the only legit blackjack player out there



You sound like a kid, are you even old
enough to go into a casino?
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May 20th, 2018 at 2:39:02 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You sound like a kid, are you even old
enough to go into a casino?



Personal insult. 3 days.
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May 20th, 2018 at 2:46:15 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Whoever ratted me out to Downtown Grand and the rest of Downtown during or after the Spring Fling and i know who it probably was, good job, just realize this town will never get rid of me and theres nothing any of you can do about it, including the casinos. This town is at my mercy, not the other way around. You can kick me out every time and ill still keep on coming back. You guys aint shit. Good luck with your fake unconstitutional trespasses. This town has never seen someone like me and never will. Never meeting with any of you guys again.

Not to mention, it's time to set the record straight, im the only legit blackjack player out there. The rest of these fake ass stories you hear on that fraud GWAE podcast is exactly that, a fraud to promote blackjack apprenticeship such as the Yoshi and Joe stories. KJ, Colin Jones and the rest of the crew are also all frauds.

God bless me. No matter the adversity, no one can stop me. Keep it coming.



14 days. Personal insult, multiple people.

Nobody ratted you out. We all went elsewhere to play poker. Then we went other places (than The Grand) and played other things. You weren't even a topic of conversation. We all had a great time hanging. Too bad you didn't come with.

You need to find a better way to vent than to self-destruct on here.
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May 20th, 2018 at 2:48:55 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob


You sound like a kid, are you even old
enough to go into a casino?

Quote: beachbumbabs

Personal insult. 3 days.




BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult
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May 20th, 2018 at 2:56:29 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult



It's nice that you have an opinion and the freedom to express it.
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May 20th, 2018 at 3:04:05 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You sound like a kid, are you even old
enough to go into a casino?



Someone somewhere mentioned he was in his late 20s. So roughly my age I believe
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:08:27 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I have a feeling who this might be about....you might want to mask those swears though!



Based on allusions and what I know there was no UNMASKING of anyone on my part if thats the intent of the comments here

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May 20th, 2018 at 4:15:35 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult



I have to agree here. I would say maybe give a warning. I do have another thought on the subject, but am going to keep quiet about it in public.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:16:27 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Personal insult. 3 days.

Are you sure? Saying someone acts like a kid is not much of an insult(at least to me) but more of a opinion.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:18:58 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

14 days. Personal insult, multiple people.

Nobody ratted you out. We all went elsewhere to play poker. Then we went other places (than The Grand) and played other things. You weren't even a topic of conversation. We all had a great time hanging. Too bad you didn't come with.

You need to find a better way to vent than to self-destruct on here.

100%+ agree.
I don't want to say "I told you so" but I said something about like this about ZK before.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:19:08 AM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

Are you sure? Saying someone acts like a kid is not much of an insult(at least to me) but more of a opinion.



Agree with speedy. I have been called a Trumper here without suspension. Not even close.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:21:03 AM permalink
#weakestsuspensionyet
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:23:01 AM permalink
I will be coming and staying in Vegas by the end of the month. It will be longer than last time ,(2days). For the record,please warn me in advance if ZK is coming to any of WOV gathering so I will make an informed choice. Thanks and see you guys in a bit.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:25:06 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult

+1 even I am not a lawyer and I am not a fan of EB.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:42:17 AM permalink
Wow, what excitement to wake up to. A couple of things stick out to me.

I don’t see where Bob should be suspended either but it is what it is and he will live.

As for ZK, now you have a guy who has now on multiple occasions stated other members have ratted him out to casinos. Not sure what can be worse than questioning the integrity of other members here without specific proof. Even if he doesn’t provide names, it’s a huge negative on the community. There are obviously multiple issues going on with this guy, who by all means is intelligent but is not on the right path as anyone can see. Not sure being a part of this forum is a help to him. While it’s not the forums job to determine that, is there a point where he doesn’t deserve to be a part of the community, even if there is not a specific rule to ban him? I would use the Wizards decision against one of the worst trolls out there.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/376/#post378533

And while I’m in PA and have no first hand knowledge of ZK issue at the Grand, unless something has changed in the past few months, that place is DEAD 24/7. Not sure how he thought you would be able to not draw attention to yourself over time attempting to count in that casino. A PB on the first day on the job should be able to see it as they don’t have much to do.
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May 20th, 2018 at 5:37:33 AM permalink
I disagree with the Bob suspension. Which is funny, because I disagree with almost every one of his posts.
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May 20th, 2018 at 5:43:51 AM permalink
And I forgot to add, is being a "kid" a negative now? Someone that is a "kid" is not developed enough to have valid thoughts and opinions and should not be recognized as being able to be part of a discussion?

I'm good with that, as long as it also applies to David Hogg and the rest of the Parkland "Kids".

And I don't thing this is Off Topic considering the situation with EB here.
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May 20th, 2018 at 5:47:47 AM permalink
Just the continued downward spiral. It's still going to get worse. Much worse than an internet forum suspension.

3 days for EB is unjust. #FreeEB


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May 20th, 2018 at 5:48:26 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult



I have been hard on the mods here so i went back and reread what eb said

I agree saying someone SOUNDS LIKE a kid is analogizing and not a personal insult

However the 2nd part of EBs post "Are YOU even old enough to go into a casino" seems pretty direct and insulting to me
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May 20th, 2018 at 6:40:15 AM permalink
we have a thread for discussing suspensions, which I usually have blocked. I'd appreciate it if you guys take it to there
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May 20th, 2018 at 8:06:41 AM permalink
I just hope ZK doesn't own or have access to guns. I dont want to wake up reading about another unstable individual going off on a crowd of people.

What the heck happened at the Spring gathering anyway?
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May 20th, 2018 at 9:34:27 AM permalink
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What the heck happened at the Spring gathering anyway?

That's what I want to know.

Don't tell me I missed the best Spring Fling EVER? I'm hearing some good rumors. Don't try to mask this up.

BTW I think Barbra messed up BIG TIME on this....

Should have been 14 days for EB and 3 days for ZK.
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May 20th, 2018 at 9:46:10 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

BTW I think Barbra messed up BIG TIME on this....

Should have been 14 days for EB and 3 days for ZK.



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May 20th, 2018 at 10:08:39 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

You need a mask.😜😃

What's up with this reference? I don't get it.
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May 20th, 2018 at 10:16:21 AM permalink
I'd probably say it was meant as a jab, and could be interpreted as hurtful and marginalizing.
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May 20th, 2018 at 10:44:32 AM permalink
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What's up with this reference? I don't get it.



For the first time I managed to attend spring fling

My family happens to be in town attending the american billboard awards tonight

If you follow some of the posts relating to me you should be able to get the references
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May 20th, 2018 at 11:49:20 AM permalink
Out of curiosity, did any of you that are bitching about the moderation bother to volunteer when Mike was looking for a new one?
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May 20th, 2018 at 11:55:16 AM permalink
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BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult


And if I were to say “you sound like an idiot”, I would fully expect to get suspended. If that’s really going to be allowed then this place is going to turn real fast because all of a sudden everyone’s going to sound like a <insert insult>.

His comment was clearly derogatory in nature and intent.
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:30:19 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: aceofspades

BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult



It's nice that you have an opinion and the freedom to express it.



Is that a veiled threat that I could be suspended for what I said?

What are you even trying to say?
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:31:37 PM permalink
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#weakestsuspensionyet



Indeed! (Wait, is agreeing that EvenBob's suspension was wrong now grounds for suspension?)
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:37:17 PM permalink
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Quote: aceofspades

BeachBumBabs - saying someone sounds like a kid and calling someone a kid are two different things - EvenBob's suspension should be reversed

Long ago, Mission146 stated that analogizing someone's conduct to something was not a personal insult


And if I were to say “you sound like an idiot”, I would fully expect to get suspended. If that’s really going to be allowed then this place is going to turn real fast because all of a sudden everyone’s going to sound like a <insert insult>.

His comment was clearly derogatory in nature and intent.



RS - I am merely going by what Mission146 told me
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:43:26 PM permalink
I know.

But do you agree saying “you’re an idiot”, “you sound like an idiot”, and “I think you’re an idiot” all mean the same thing and are meant to be disparaging and insulting?
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:47:38 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I know.

But do you agree saying “you’re an idiot”, “you sound like an idiot”, and “I think you’re an idiot” all mean the same thing and are meant to be disparaging and insulting?




"You're an idiot" and "I think you're an idiot" are actual definitive statements
"You sound like an idiot" is merely a comparison on that one statement made by a person - it does not mean the writer thinks that person is an idiot - jsut that their statement sounds idiotic
So, to me, there is a difference, but, what do I know, I am just a fake lawyer who pretends to parse language
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May 20th, 2018 at 12:57:00 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

"You're an idiot" and "I think you're an idiot" are actual definitive statements
"You sound like an idiot" is merely a comparison on that one statement made by a person - it does not mean the writer thinks that person is an idiot - jsut that their statement sounds idiotic
So, to me, there is a difference, but, what do I know, I am just a fake lawyer who pretends to parse language


The effect is the same in all three. They’re equally as insulting. The specific wording is semantics and technicalities. As the Ancient Hawaiians used to say, “If you’re only technically right....then you’re actually just wrong.”

Would you be okay with it every time I or someone else disagreed with you said, “you sound like an idiot” or “you sound like a retard” or “you sound like a fool”?

Saying “you sound like an idiot” does absolutely mean you think that person is an idiot.
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May 20th, 2018 at 1:02:40 PM permalink
Quote: RS

The effect is the same in all three. They’re equally as insulting. The specific wording is semantics and technicalities. As the Ancient Hawaiians used to say, “If you’re only technically right....then you’re actually just wrong.”

Would you be okay with it every time I or someone else disagreed with you said, “you sound like an idiot” or “you sound like a retard” or “you sound like a fool”?

Saying “you sound like an idiot” does absolutely mean you think that person is an idiot.




Agree to disagree?
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May 20th, 2018 at 1:07:13 PM permalink
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Agree to disagree?


I disagree to agree to disagree.

Can I at least get your opinion on my paragraph #2 above? Can I or others say “you sound like a <insulting word>” to you, when/if we disagree? I’m asking for your opinion, would you be okay with that? I’m not asking what you think the admins think about it.
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May 20th, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I disagree to agree to disagree.

Can I at least get your opinion on my paragraph #2 above? Can I or others say “you sound like a <insulting word>” to you, when/if we disagree? I’m asking for your opinion, would you be okay with that? I’m not asking what you think the admins think about it.



Fine by me - BUT, apparently, Mission146's interpretation no longer stands, so, in that case, should you do that, you should be banned - rules should apply equally to everyone
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May 20th, 2018 at 1:29:24 PM permalink
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May 20th, 2018 at 2:33:23 PM permalink
I am wondering, just wondering, to which point we should politely ask a member to leave.
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May 20th, 2018 at 2:49:48 PM permalink
Simply put him on ignore if he bothers you that much.
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May 20th, 2018 at 3:21:36 PM permalink
That is not the point.
My concern is that when someone is so skewed/twisted/extreme. That person is bringing attention to this community. The APs earning potential might be compromised. Remember the Mandalay Bay incident? That makes me worry a bit. I certainly hope it will not reach that point but.....
Wow, just a thought......

This site is all about Vegas information. Members are here to exchange information, socialize with each other and so on.
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May 20th, 2018 at 3:25:39 PM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

That is not the point.
My concern is that when someone is so skewed/twisted/extreme. That person is bringing attention to this community. The APs earning potential might be compromised. Remember the Mandalay Bay incident? That makes me worry a bit. I certainly hope it will not reach that point but.....
Wow, just a thought......

This site is all about Vegas information. Members are here to exchange information, socialize with each other and so on.



I must have missed the mandalay bay incident.

Thread or explanation? Sounds interesting

EDIT: You are talking about the shooting of the concert it suddenly occurs to me right?

For a moment I was thinking of something like the Revel promo incident where APs had some problem with a major play
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