ZenKinG
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March 6th, 2017 at 1:42:39 PM permalink
Ive now played 716.5 hours with 75% of those hours at 2x50-2x250 and im 25k under EV. And this is assuming a very conservative 60 rounds per hour when backcounting. I just dont understand what Im doing wrong or if im just plain unlucky or the state of PA is as corrupt as people say they are. From doing a bit of research, it looks like the PA gaming commission has a history of being corrupt. This leads me to believe me that being 25k under EV after a good sample size of over 700 hours that these casinos are cheating in some type of fashion, especially Harrahs in Philly. Either there are less 10s and aces than normal or it's being stacked with small cards, has to be one or the other. I dont play pitch games, so the dealers dealing seconds is not even a thought. I really dont know what else to conclude at this point. Yes this is another rant and need to get it off my chest. Im absolutely disgusted with my results. I expected A LOT more especially playing such great games.

If anyone is wondering, Vegas is cancelled until further notice. Bad variance has ruined it. Bankroll is at 45k and while i can move there and get a job, that's really not in my interest and it will be hard to get something anyway in such short notice, at least a decent paying job.
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LuckyPhow
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March 6th, 2017 at 1:57:29 PM permalink
Zen,

Many thanx for the update. Not sure how to improve your BJ (as I don't play it). But, under the circumstances, I think you made the wise decision by not relocating at this time. Best wishes.
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March 6th, 2017 at 2:09:59 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Ive now played 716.5 hours with 75% of those hours at 2x50-2x250 and im 25k under EV. And this is assuming a very conservative 60 rounds per hour when backcounting. I just dont understand what Im doing wrong or if im just plain unlucky or the state of PA is as corrupt as people say they are. From doing a bit of research, it looks like the PA gaming commission has a history of being corrupt. This leads me to believe me that being 25k under EV after a good sample size of over 700 hours that these casinos are cheating in some type of fashion, especially Harrahs in Philly. Either there are less 10s and aces than normal or it's being stacked with small cards, has to be one or the other. I dont play pitch games, so the dealers dealing seconds is not even a thought. I really dont know what else to conclude at this point. Yes this is another rant and need to get it off my chest. Im absolutely disgusted with my results. I expected A LOT more especially playing such great games.

If anyone is wondering, Vegas is cancelled until further notice. Bad variance has ruined it. Bankroll is at 45k and while i can move there and get a job, that's really not in my interest and it will be hard to get something anyway in such short notice, at least a decent paying job.



I have no idea why you are not winning like you expect but I can Guarantee you, the casino is not cheating. Perhaps instead of researching if the PA GC is fixing games, you should look at your game. See if you are sure you are counting correct and not reaching at times, trying to get big plays down. Just a suggestion, your money, your game.
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March 6th, 2017 at 2:20:05 PM permalink
ZK... if you're willing to move to be a counter, you should be willing to pay $X for another established professional to check you out and evaluate your game. BJA have their "advanced boot camps" which I would think would be a perfect fit for you... Trip to vegas, numerous pro's checking over your game, etc, etc.
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ZenKinG
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March 6th, 2017 at 2:48:55 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

ZK... if you're willing to move to be a counter, you should be willing to pay $X for another established professional to check you out and evaluate your game. BJA have their "advanced boot camps" which I would think would be a perfect fit for you... Trip to vegas, numerous pro's checking over your game, etc, etc.



Thanks, but i test myself enough on verite to know im playing perfectly. Yes it's not the same as being in a casino, but the casino never has been able to rattle me since day 1. I always keep my composure, never get distracted, dont drink, etc.

The point of my rant threads are to hopefully get people who have struggled as well over a huge amount of hours as well and under performed like i have. If I can get similar stories, it would put me in a much better place as i kno im not the only one experiencing terrible fortune after so many hours. Honestly, i guess it could be worse because technically i could be the .003% and still be down according to CVCX, but if i was in that percentage, i probably should just retire now.

Playing over 700 hours and only having 23.5k to show for it when my EV is a conservative 50k, it hurts quite a bit. Im close to 1 SD down. As much as this thread sounds like im searching for pity, im not. Just wondering if others have experienced underperforming over such a long stretch of time/hours.
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Zcore13
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March 6th, 2017 at 2:52:50 PM permalink
I tried. Click HERE if you want proof.


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ZenKinG
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March 6th, 2017 at 2:55:17 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I have no idea why you are not winning like you expect but I can Guarantee you, the casino is not cheating. Perhaps instead of researching if the PA GC is fixing games, you should look at your game. See if you are sure you are counting correct and not reaching at times, trying to get big plays down. Just a suggestion, your money, your game.



Well, how does that saying go? When you rule out everything as the reason, the most unlikely scenario as unlikely as it is has to be the case. The unlikely scenario in this case is the state of PA being corrupt rigging the games. If it's not a statewide thing, it's several casinos in the commissions pocket. Harrahs and Sands seems to fit that criteria. A little bit of research already tells me the Pennsylvania Gaming Commission has history of being corrupt.

There's also a reason why Sands is 2nd in the country in casino revenue only behind las vegas. Coincidence? I think not. Oh by the way Harrahs has a nice big carpet and remodeling they've done recently, i cant help but feel i funded that. Even with casinos cheating me im still up close to 25k, unbelievable really.
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March 6th, 2017 at 3:03:16 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Thanks, but i test myself enough on verite to know im playing perfectly. Yes it's not the same as being in a casino, but the casino never has been able to rattle me since day 1. I always keep my composure, never get distracted, dont drink, etc.

The point of my rant threads are to hopefully get people who have struggled as well over a huge amount of hours as well and under performed like i have. If I can get similar stories, it would put me in a much better place. Playing over 700 hours and only having 23.5k to show for it when my EV is a conservative 50k, it hurts quite a bit. Im close to 1 SD down.

If you have a 45K BR, and you think you are being cheated(why you keep going back is beyond me), I dont know why you don't take a vacation or something like that, and test out your skills in LV?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
crazydazy
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March 6th, 2017 at 3:17:56 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Thanks, but i test myself enough on verite to know im playing perfectly. Yes it's not the same as being in a casino, but the casino never has been able to rattle me since day 1. I always keep my composure, never get distracted, dont drink, etc.

The point of my rant threads are to hopefully get people who have struggled as well over a huge amount of hours as well and under performed like i have. If I can get similar stories, it would put me in a much better place as i kno im not the only one experiencing terrible fortune after so many hours. Honestly, i guess it could be worse because technically i could be the .003% and still be down according to CVCX, but if i was in that percentage, i probably should just retire now.

Playing over 700 hours and only having 23.5k to show for it when my EV is a conservative 50k, it hurts quite a bit. Im close to 1 SD down. As much as this thread sounds like im searching for pity, im not. Just wondering if others have experienced underperforming over such a long stretch of time/hours.



You answered your own question. You're 1 standard deviation below EV? The chance of that happening is 34% I believe.
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March 6th, 2017 at 3:19:01 PM permalink
You make it seem like you're the unluckiest person in the world or you're in the 0.003% or whatever......then say you're down about 1 SD?

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