ZenKinG
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December 3rd, 2016 at 3:37:07 PM permalink
Well, it's come to that point in my life where it's time to move out of my parents house. I have a bachelors degree in business that I've put to no use whatsoever. I've basically worked two jobs out of college for two years, then quit both of them and finally started to take blackjack seriously and putting the hours in after getting a decent roll together. Im now at 50k cash with a car that is paid off(worth about 10k if i was to sell it right now) and i have no debt and never had a credit card in my life. Im kind of mad that im only at 50k but ive had a bit of bad luck, not just blackjack, that has kept me from not having a bigger bankroll. The good thing is there is no baggage, no debt, no girl, no nothing, just a free man with decisions to make.

With the intro out of the way, the plan now is to move out to play exclusively blackjack. I've kind of already told myself i wasted 4 years in school for nothing like most people have and dont want to admit. I've balanced the ideas and found out it's more lucrative and enjoyable to play blackjack and waking up to do something i enjoy rather than sit in an office cubicle for 8 hours a day working for 'someone' and for a much smaller wage. The idea of working for 'myself' and making my own hours is a big + for me. I still might do something down the road that puts my degree to some sort of use, maybe open a casino, who knows, but for now I want to just keep grinding out profit and keep playing.

My current play is to move to Vegas. Regardless of what people say about Vegas, there are still many playable games, you just have to move around a lot to last sort of like what KJ does. I have put together a whole document of how I plan to attack Vegas and i think it's a pretty sound strategy that will buy me a lot of time while still getting the EV. Yes there are much more limited games and fewer tables with good rules now since it's all turning 6:5, but there are still opportunities.

My question to all of you is this; where else would be a nice place to move to in the country that would be a nice EV move to solely play blackjack? I guess you could say Pennsylvania, which I currently play at and live only 1 - 1.5 hours away from home, but I think i've burned out my face a bit there already with several backoffs and moving there only to get backed off soon would be a waste. Of course there's still many shifts and casinos I havent played at in the state, but still I think with all the arguments with pit bosses and obvious wonging that i do, i think it's better to move somewhere else to play. I play pretty obvious(pure wonging most of the time) and aggressive because I want to build the bankroll as fast as possible, i do every single index when it calls for it, doubling A9, splitting 10s, the whole nine yards. So with that being said, right now the plan right now is Vegas and play very short sessions with a whole rotation of playable stores that ih ave compiled already, but looking to here thoughts from everyone else what my other options could be.

And yes, I do have CBJN and a 12 month subscription, so im not some lazy cheapskate trying to get free information. I have all the games with rules handy, which I already used to create my Vegas attack document. This is more of a discussion type thread that balances life balance, convenience, low cost housing and profitability of the games.
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Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
mcallister3200
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December 3rd, 2016 at 4:29:01 PM permalink
Realistically for BJ counting you are going to have to travel some of split between two locations that are decent. Vegas looks like there's lots of decent games, but inter property communications within the 4 big chains is effective; lose one lose them all for a long time. Better than working jobs you hate but this decision will take much the joy out of the game for you, that is not a maybe it will happen if you stick to it.

Or split between vegas and decent games within driving distance out west. If someone really didn't want to travel much and play full time I'd probably recommend splitting between vegas and Washington, problem with Washington is higher cost of living combined with low table limits.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 4:48:00 PM permalink
Not having a credit card doesn't really equate to a good thing, you may not need credit now but think to the future.
There are no fee 500.00 limit cards available with high APR's you could acquire and use for your standard expenditures every month, it would be a great convenience to you all the while building credit at no cost.
You can get an online Capital one checking account and mastercard have the benefit and convenience of both and never pay a penny for them.

After you move out would you ask your parents if I can move in?
ZenKinG
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December 3rd, 2016 at 4:59:19 PM permalink
thanks for the advice mcallister. Will keep in mind.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 5:08:25 PM permalink
There are many advantage plays with credit cards
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December 3rd, 2016 at 5:13:28 PM permalink
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December 3rd, 2016 at 5:32:39 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Im kind of mad that im only at 50k but ive had a bit of bad luck, not just blackjack, that has kept me from not having a bigger bankroll. The good thing is there is no baggage, no debt, no girl, no nothing, just a free man with decisions to make.

With the intro out of the way, the plan now is to move out to play exclusively blackjack. I've kind of already told myself i wasted 4 years in school for nothing like most people have and dont want to admit. I've balanced the ideas and found out it's more lucrative and enjoyable to play blackjack and waking up to do something i enjoy rather than sit in an office cubicle for 8 hours a day working for 'someone' and for a much smaller wage. The idea of working for 'myself' and making my own hours is a big + for me.

Nothing wrong with wanting to work for yourself. Not everyone is suited for an office job, and recognizing that about yourself early shows great self-awareness. I've worked for myself for over a decade. The difference between me and an AP is that I create tangible goods and services and my clients want my business. Advantage play is the opposite -- it doesn't produce anything and the casinos definitely don't want you to be there.

If you have the mental aptitude for advantage play, you also have the aptitude to be a successful entrepreneur in a field where detail orientation and numeracy are valuable. Have you considered starting your own business or solo consulting practice? Or even making investments as a professional trader? I would strongly advise that over any form of advantage play. You should run the numbers on expected revenues. You've made $50,000 over a several year period, yes? I believe that's pretty good for an AP, but it's not very much revenue if you're running a business. What's your average hourly rate considering all the time you spend on your business (commuting to plays, actually playing, scouting, doing research, etc.)? A solo entrepreneur serving almost any white-collar business should have no problem earning more than $50,000 per year, and without any risk of losing a bankroll.

A BA in business administration should be a great head start, too -- I didn't have any business background, I studied CS and math, so I had to figure everything out by myself. But I work for myself and make my own hours too. I also work at home so I have no commuting costs, and the only time I need to travel is for client visits.

One last point. With AP, there is no meaningful upside, no chance for a home run. Your only source of revenue is playing and there are no residuals. Unless you're going to write books or teach seminars, if you stop playing, you stop earning. If you create something as part of a business, on the other hand, you can sell or license it for a much larger amount than it cost you to create. I have personally done that, and that's the entire basis of the tech startup industry. As a business major this isn't news to you. The point is, that option isn't even available with AP.

So what do you want to do with your life? Count cards and make a little money, or start a real business and make real money?

I expect a lot of pushback from the APs on this site who do make a lot of money on the grounds that making that money qualifies AP as a "real business", but it's inarguable that the average successful AP earns less money than the average successful entrepreneur. And so does the most successful AP compared to the most successful entrepreneur. Which would you rather be?
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December 3rd, 2016 at 5:48:04 PM permalink
ME,I agree with most of what you said,the one thing I have an issue with is that making 50k over several years is pretty good.For a part time player maybe it's ok
But I don't think someone should even consider being a full time Ap unless they can make 100k+ per year,otherwise I think you should stick to a normal
Job.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 6:04:00 PM permalink
Maybe I blinked and missed it, but it seems to me that you left out an important part of this:

Where in Vegas are you going to live?

Without a job, you will need a steady income to cover rent or house payments. Even that assumes that you have no credit problems, which is a significant assumption given that you seem to have no credit history.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 7:11:08 PM permalink
50,000 bankroll.
Minus $400 driving cross country
Minus $400 car registration( mandatory within 30days)
Minus $100 new drivers license
Minus $800 first months rent
Minus $800 security deposit
Minus $500 two weeks hotel while apartment hunting.
Minus $1000 furnishings
Minus $200 kitchen utensils,
Minus $100 apartment necessities.
I moved here in May with the same sort of idea. That was my budget, and in almost every case, I underestimated it. I pay $875 base rent, which translates into a $1033 check each month.
Most rents don't include gas or electric( $175 in summer, $70 in winter).
Cell phone is $40-$50
Car insurance cost me more in Henderson than it did in NYC
Food is cheaper, but I live alone and spend over $200 in groceries, despite eating out fairly often.
Health insurance is not cheap.
Just a word to the wise.
Yes, you can find cheaper places to live, but considering you'll be dealing in a lot of cash.

As an advantage blackjack player, expect little to no comps. You won't be disappointed.

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