15 Month's AP - Largest Figure Loss, frustration level = High
However, I will say it's kind of sad to see such prominent forums members almost launch what I would consider an attack against the OP. At the very least the OP does seem to have a fair knowledge base. I guess I'm just a movie wanna be loser too since I get excited about "taking it to the house" nearly every time I go and play =/... AND I PLAY FOR RED CHIPS. I understand I'm working for pennies, but I don't care. It's more about the challenge for me. I have another job, I'm not doing this for income (other than using the money won as an indicator of who's winning 'the game' between the casino and myself)... I do it for the thrill of getting away with it. I do it because I originally got excited over dumb things like the MIT documentary, 21, etc.
You can also call me names or whatever too if you want, but don't rain on someone else's parade because they're super passionate about something you've grown near cynical towards because of being humbled by it so many times, getting burnt out from playing, or whatever your reasons are. All this guy did was want to connect with other people who play the game and have experienced a big loss. His biggest crime was trying to fit in, and too excitedly not explaining enough of how he jumped from $3k to $245k, but that's not even the point.
When I found these forums, and blackjackinfo.com I was SO EXCITED to talk to other AP's, or maybe even meet them! When I went to Vegas last October I was bragging to friends and family that I was going to get to meet the Wizard, and that he was like a celebrity in the gambling world. I even sent kewlj a message to try to meet up with him. NOT to play, get advice, or anything of that nature. Purely to just meet someone whom I looked up to. I was almost like little kid excited to be part of an online community with other people whom shared my passion, because at the end of the day that's what it is for me. I don't "need" advice from these forums, but I take it when I can get it, and I give it where I can too. It's all centered around the similar passion we share, blackjack. The OP clearly shares our passion for the game, so to see other members bashing him so harshly. As an ambassador to WOV, I feel ashamed of these forums.
I'm very disappointed in a lot of people I hold in high regard.
Edit - OP, I hope you weather the storm and continue to be a member of our community. As I noticed when I joined, you kind of have to earn everyone's respect by helping out, chiming in and proving you have something worthwhile to contribute, etc. I apologize for the way some people jumped on you, but you did kind of throw out some improbable numbers without a complete explanation. I would like to welcome you to the forums, and hope that you'll continue to contribute to our community, and to all of our shared passion.
That only means "not pouncing"
It does not mean that we are buying it. However, I do see that silence does convey a degree of legitimacy that may not be warranted. In that case, a polite rebuttal may be in order.
In this case, I leave it to others to decide, I am not an AP.
Adding:
an example of "going along with it" without buying it might be a claim that someone hit 3 royals in the same day. That for me would mean not pouncing, but not heartily congratulating either.
My point was that all people had to do was start asking for numbers... Example: Give me a breakdown month by month. What limits were you playing? What was your spread? What was your EV? etc... This would have clearly given us a better idea of the OPs legitimacy as a member while still 'contesting' his story. Instead, a bunch of members just open field day attacked the OP, whom was very clearly excited about being a part of our community.
I guess maybe it just got to me more than others because I was in a similar spot when I found online communities with others that shared my passion. I was super excited to befriend people with this passion because as we all know we can't share this passion with our normal friends/family because they won't/can't understand all of the math, challenge, etc, of the game. I even made a note of this in my A-Z thread "card counting can be alienating and lonely... hence why we congregate to the forums!"
Of all the "stupid newbie" threads that get posted, I didn't see why someone whom clearly had some intelligence to the game deserved to be stomped on so harshly over all of these other "WHERE DO I FIND BASIC STRATEGIES??? LOL" threads.
It boggles my mind how that thread can be taken "seriously" and the OP can be THRASHED in a thread where he expressed at least a fair knowledge of the game, and a desire/excitement to join our community.
Quote: BozMy only thought is that if he is telling the truth, he should have broke out a long time ago and was more than due to lose. As others have said, you dont build a bankroll that quickly without taking huge risks and even then, the odds are way against it. You know that and so do most most of the posters on here. Coming in with a story like that is going to hurt your credibility quickly.
I agree entirely. Again, my issue isn't with challenging the credibility of the OP nor his story. My issue was with how it was handled in such a rude manor to someone who appears to at least have a fair knowledge base and be excited to join the forums.
Quote: RomesIt boggles my mind how that thread can be taken "seriously" and the OP can be THRASHED in a thread where he expressed at least a fair knowledge of the game, and a desire/excitement to join our community.
In the thread about doubling for less, the OP did not (yet) adopt a confrontational tone when replying.
In fairness, neither did OP here until after a few harsh statements of disbelief.
This thread started with a claim of an 80-fold increase in bankroll over a fairly short time, claims of a $200 unit, and a few curiosities ("RoR = >1%")*. Kinda sounded a bit like humblebragging.
That thread started with a reasoned question, accompanied by some evidence of research. Kinda sounded like a legitimate attempt to learn.
*Really? You're shocked to have lost hard with a RoR greater than 1%?
Quote: RomesJesus, there's a thread RIGHT NOW about "is doubling down for less ever a good idea?" and that got all real responses. No attacks on the OP for not knowing something, not posting more information, etc.
It boggles my mind how that thread can be taken "seriously" and the OP can be THRASHED in a thread where he expressed at least a fair knowledge of the game, and a desire/excitement to join our community.
Romes, you took the words right out of my mouth. I have long been pointing out the good old WOV "welcome" that all too many new members receive. Several have been driven away because of it.
It goes something like this. New member makes a claim that seems unbelievable. New member immediately is subjected to insults, ridicule, condescension and baiting. New member becomes frustrated and, in the heat of the moment, says something that gets him banned. Those that manage to hold their tongue tender their voluntary resignation. There's a lot of baloney on this site that I could comment on and some of it is from longtime members.
I wanted this guy to stay so I could hear more. He's obviously excited and passionate about the game of blackjack and just wanted to be here with like minded folks. He can return but now must go through a waiting period. I think one of our moderators should reach out to him and invite him back. That would be very classy.
Quote: 1BB... I think one of our moderators should reach out to him and invite him back. That would be very classy.
I couldn't agree more (on all accounts).
went along with it. He was looking for a
big reaction and got one. Shrug..
Quote: RomesWow, guess I missed the train lol. The story itself seems exceedingly unlikely, or as was pointed out plausible but at that point you're more gambling than APing. It doesn't seem impossible though.
However, I will say it's kind of sad to see such prominent forums members almost launch what I would consider an attack against the OP. At the very least the OP does seem to have a fair knowledge base. I guess I'm just a movie wanna be loser too since I get excited about "taking it to the house" nearly every time I go and play =/... AND I PLAY FOR RED CHIPS. I understand I'm working for pennies, but I don't care. It's more about the challenge for me. I have another job, I'm not doing this for income (other than using the money won as an indicator of who's winning 'the game' between the casino and myself)... I do it for the thrill of getting away with it. I do it because I originally got excited over dumb things like the MIT documentary, 21, etc.
You can also call me names or whatever too if you want, but don't rain on someone else's parade because they're super passionate about something you've grown near cynical towards because of being humbled by it so many times, getting burnt out from playing, or whatever your reasons are. All this guy did was want to connect with other people who play the game and have experienced a big loss. His biggest crime was trying to fit in, and too excitedly not explaining enough of how he jumped from $3k to $245k, but that's not even the point.
When I found these forums, and blackjackinfo.com I was SO EXCITED to talk to other AP's, or maybe even meet them! When I went to Vegas last October I was bragging to friends and family that I was going to get to meet the Wizard, and that he was like a celebrity in the gambling world. I even sent kewlj a message to try to meet up with him. NOT to play, get advice, or anything of that nature. Purely to just meet someone whom I looked up to. I was almost like little kid excited to be part of an online community with other people whom shared my passion, because at the end of the day that's what it is for me. I don't "need" advice from these forums, but I take it when I can get it, and I give it where I can too. It's all centered around the similar passion we share, blackjack. The OP clearly shares our passion for the game, so to see other members bashing him so harshly. As an ambassador to WOV, I feel ashamed of these forums.
I'm very disappointed in a lot of people I hold in high regard.
Edit - OP, I hope you weather the storm and continue to be a member of our community. As I noticed when I joined, you kind of have to earn everyone's respect by helping out, chiming in and proving you have something worthwhile to contribute, etc. I apologize for the way some people jumped on you, but you did kind of throw out some improbable numbers without a complete explanation. I would like to welcome you to the forums, and hope that you'll continue to contribute to our community, and to all of our shared passion.
Quote: 1BBRomes, you took the words right out of my mouth. I have long been pointing out the good old WOV "welcome" that all too many new members receive. Several have been driven away because of it.
It goes something like this. New member makes a claim that seems unbelievable. New member immediately is subjected to insults, ridicule, condescension and baiting. New member becomes frustrated and, in the heat of the moment, says something that gets him banned. Those that manage to hold their tongue tender their voluntary resignation. There's a lot of baloney on this site that I could comment on and some of it is from longtime members.
I wanted this guy to stay so I could hear more. He's obviously excited and passionate about the game of blackjack and just wanted to be here with like minded folks. He can return but now must go through a waiting period. I think one of our moderators should reach out to him and invite him back. That would be very classy.
I couldn't agree more with these responses. The guy could have been making it all up; his claims were, indeed, improbable. But they weren't impossible.
I came here for the same reasons as him, and thankfully took a slower approach. He was goaded by posters who know really well how to tiptoe the line without crossing it, and then he crossed the line in his responses. I don't disagree with the suspension based on the rules, but come on. kewlj, you apologized and said you feel bad. I think that's good of you to admit to that.
I have really missed this forum over the past few months, but let me say that I have not missed EvenBob one single bit. You add nothing to the forum except quantity and 0 quality. I will say it outright just like I did last time with Ahigh and take my suspension walking away: you are an asshole and a sociopath, and this forum would be better if the mods nuked you based on repeated behaviors of adding nothing except strife.
Anyway, DoubleA9 if you are real and your story is real, give it another shot.
See y'all in a few days.
Quote: EvenBobI thought he was obviously trolling and
went along with it. He was looking for a
big reaction and got one. Shrug..
Not sure about trolling, but the intent of the post was to get a big reaction and to have that reaction focused on him/her. That's a very different purpose than the double down thread that this is being compared to.
That certainly doesn't mean that it didn't happen. If you're around this long enough you will see and experience the unbelievable. If DoubleA9 wanted to brag, wouldn't he have told us about a big win rather than the big loss that he reported?
Quote: EvenBobI thought he was obviously trolling and
went along with it. He was looking for a
big reaction and got one. Shrug..
Quote: EvenBob
" I get sick of people
being labeled as troll's here just because
you don't like them."
Quote: EvenBob
"I'm really tired of the troll accusations around here.
It's for the mods to decide, calling someone a troll
out of hand is like an ethnic slur on the internet.
Knock it off, that's why we have mods."
Quote: thecesspit
You could compile a book of EvenBob contradicting himself on this forum. And he will never admit to it. Man, President Romney's term is really going quite well!
Quote: AcesAndEightsAnyway, DoubleA9 if you are real and your story is real, give it another shot.
See y'all in a few days.
::Salute::
Quote: 1BBDoes anyone remember the thread entitled "Went for it' started by SiegfriedRoy? He has since deleted the post that he began the thread with but the claim was that he turned $2K into $1M at blackjack without counting. The thread generated some good discussion. More importantly, he was not treated poorly in any way. I think it's fair to say that many would find that unbelievable.
That certainly doesn't mean that it didn't happen. If you're around this long enough you will see and experience the unbelievable. If DoubleA9 wanted to brag wouldn't he have told us about a bid win rather than the big loss that he reported?
Ahh, I couldn't remember the name of the thread =P. Exactly! That poster made even more of outrageous claims...
Quote: thecesspit
Flawless Victory.
As far as EvenBob goes, I started to dislike him when I came to this forums and read them thread by thread backwards and saw him taunting/enjoying the troubles/losses of AOS in his trip reports. While I think he is roughed edged and does make some good points now and then (whist looking quite rude), I do agree that overall my opinion is that he brings mostly all negative posting to our community, which is why I generally don't interact much with him.
Quote: thecesspit
Exactly. I can't imagine the time it
took you to find those quotes. Nice
to see your obsession with all things
EB is still intact..
Quote: Romesand saw him taunting/enjoying the troubles/losses of AOS in his trip reports
Yeah, that's theater, it's something me and
Ace do when he makes TR's. Everybody
else 'gets' that.
Quote: EvenBobExactly. I can't imagine the time it
took you to find those quotes. Nice
to see your obsession with all things
EB is still intact..
I'd put the line at 5 minutes, including the post formatting. just search for "Evenbob troll"...
Quote: rdw4potusI'd put the line at 5 minutes, including the post formatting. just search for "Evenbob troll"...
I'll take the under... lol
Quote: EvenBobYeah, that's theater, it's something me and
Ace do when he makes TR's. Everybody
else 'gets' that.
Don't patronize me like I don't know your relationship through the threads with Ace. I've read every single one, every post. I understand that you don't "want" bad things to happen, but you take "delight" in them happening to him. I don't recall ever seeing a formal post saying something like "yeah I give you all the crap but in the end I'm glad you won" or something. How are we to know it's "theater?"
I'm not even trying to tell you I don't like you or anything like that (because I don't have any bad feelings towards you), just that your posts are 99% negative.. Theatrics or not.
Quote: beachbumbabsPM's you yourself wrote may be shared, though if they contain either personal insults or information you learned through private correspondence with the other party, they may still violate forum rules.
So any PM we write can be posted as long as
it contains no spoilers? When did that rule
change. It used to be both parties had to consent.
Quote: Romes
I'm not even trying to tell you I don't like you or anything like that (because I don't have any bad feelings towards you), just that your posts are 99% negative.. Theatrics or not.
The 1%...they're all about vodka, right?
Quote: EvenBobSo any PM we write can be posted as long as
it contains no spoilers? When did that rule
change. It used to be both parties had to consent.
I would fair a guess this means any PM you write (not containing their response). Thus it's just your writings of what you said, which you're deciding to make public, which is all the same as making any regular post.
Quote: EvenBobExactly. I can't imagine the time it
took you to find those quotes. Nice
to see your obsession with all things
EB is still intact..
3 minutes. Some of us know how to use a search feature.
Quote: EvenBob
In debate class they
taught that anytime your opponent resorts to
insults, you've won because they're out of real
arguments.
Quote: Romes
As far as EvenBob goes, I started to dislike him when I came to this forums and read them thread by thread backwards and saw him taunting/enjoying the troubles/losses of AOS in his trip reports. While I think he is roughed edged and does make some good points now and then (whist looking quite rude), I do agree that overall my opinion is that he brings mostly all negative posting to our community, which is why I generally don't interact much with him.
If you noticed that, did you not notice how close those two have become with each other as a result of it?
I know guys like EB in real life; perhaps that's why he's never angered me. Go hang with the old timers at the bait store a 6a, they're all EvenBob's. Opinionated and critical, and you're gonna hear it all. And while they may give no quarter, they also don't ask for it.
Life takes all kinds. Every forum should have an EB. If his 16k is just one long con, then hats off to him. But he's one of my favorites.
How about this - if you really don't like him, don't let him shorten your recent reappearance. Go edit that post, out of respect of the forum if not yourself. Not only will it save me some work, it'll save 1BB from making his monthly Suspension List Quota Reports ;)
I'll give you a few minutes. This isn't a demand or even a request. Just a suggestion.
Quote: FaceIf you noticed that, did you not notice how close those two have become with each other as a result of it?
I know guys like EB in real life; perhaps that's why he's never angered me. Go hang with the old timers at the bait store a 6a, they're all EvenBob's. Opinionated and critical, and you're gonna hear it all. And while they may give no quarter, they also don't ask for it.
Life takes all kinds. Every forum should have an EB. If his 16k is just one long con, then hats off to him. But he's one of my favorites.
How about this - if you really don't like him, don't let him shorten your recent reappearance. Go edit that post, out of respect of the forum if not yourself. Not only will it save me some work, it'll save 1BB from making his monthly Suspension List Quota Reports ;)
I'll give you a few minutes. This isn't a demand or even a request. Just a suggestion.
Edit which post? I even stated in my posts I don't harbor any hate for him, I just think he's harshly negative (and I never said I have a huge problem with that either). Just calling it how I see it.
Face, I hope you don't get stuck on the EB discussion and check out the rest of the thread though. Up until page 7 was mostly a lot about the OP and other users.
edit - read the first couple pages, then jump to page 6, my first post in the thread (the filler pages were just more of the first couple pages).
Quote: FaceIf you noticed that, did you not notice how close those two have become with each other as a result of it?
I know guys like EB in real life; perhaps that's why he's never angered me. Go hang with the old timers at the bait store a 6a, they're all EvenBob's. Opinionated and critical, and you're gonna hear it all. And while they may give no quarter, they also don't ask for it.
Life takes all kinds. Every forum should have an EB. If his 16k is just one long con, then hats off to him. But he's one of my favorites.
How about this - if you really don't like him, don't let him shorten your recent reappearance. Go edit that post, out of respect of the forum if not yourself. Not only will it save me some work, it'll save 1BB from making his monthly Suspension List Quota Reports ;)
I'll give you a few minutes. This isn't a demand or even a request. Just a suggestion.
retracted - situation makes much more sense now:-)
Quote: RomesEdit which post? I even stated in my posts I don't harbor any hate for him, I just think he's harshly negative (and I never said I have a huge problem with that either). Just calling it how I see it.
Face, I hope you don't get stuck on the EB discussion and check out the rest of the thread though. Up until page 7 was mostly a lot about the OP and other users.
Sorry, not you. This was directed at Acesandeights, but a hundred people posted while I was typing lol
I saw the rest. Didn't have anything to say until Ace's declaration
Edit: And I just realized I quoted the wrong person. Blah. My fault
Quote: AcesAndEightsI couldn't agree more with these responses. The guy could have been making it all up; his claims were, indeed, improbable. But they weren't impossible.
I came here for the same reasons as him, and thankfully took a slower approach. He was goaded by posters who know really well how to tiptoe the line without crossing it, and then he crossed the line in his responses. I don't disagree with the suspension based on the rules, but come on. kewlj, you apologized and said you feel bad. I think that's good of you to admit to that.
I have really missed this forum over the past few months, but let me say that I have not missed EvenBob one single bit. You add nothing to the forum except quantity and 0 quality. I will say it outright just like I did last time with Ahigh and take my suspension walking away: you are an asshole and a sociopath, and this forum would be better if the mods nuked you based on repeated behaviors of adding nothing except strife.
Anyway, DoubleA9 if you are real and your story is real, give it another shot.
See y'all in a few days.
DoubleA9 was not suspended for cause. His self-resignation was booked, which leads to his ID in red (see Suspension List). The Wizard has said on previous occasions that self-resignations can be reversed by request, but not until 30 days waiting time. They can contact the admins through the "contact" button on the front page, using the email address with which they created the account.
I personally would like to see AA9 return and hear more specifics, so I hope he does.
AcesandEights is suspended, 3 days for personal insult. See ya then, Ace.
Damn kenarman. He's got me so frazzled on DT I can't even post properly...
Quote: Romes, just that your posts are 99% negative.. Theatrics or not.
I'll take the bait. Here are 10 posts from the
other day. Please point out the 9 in 10
negative ones. These are random posts
from the last few days:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/gambling-with-an-edge/20621-gwae-2015-01-08-avoiding-cash-seizure/#post423728
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/gambling-with-an-edge/20621-gwae-2015-01-08-avoiding-cash-seizure/#post423725
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/20623-pm-from-user-invites-inviting-to-join-gamblingforums-com/2/#post423716
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/20617-wov-winter-2015-trivia-challenge/3/#post423715
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/20617-wov-winter-2015-trivia-challenge/3/#post423715
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/20617-wov-winter-2015-trivia-challenge/#post423636
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/20617-wov-winter-2015-trivia-challenge/#post423613
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/casual-corner/20617-wov-winter-2015-trivia-challenge/#post423613
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/20577-trip-report-various-vegas/3/#post423126
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/17557-spare-some-change/13/#post422393
Quote: thecesspit3 minutes. .
To know that I was your total focus of
attention for just 3 long minutes, I'm
blushing.
Thanks
Quote: RomesI would fair a guess this means any PM you write (not containing their response). Thus it's just your writings of what you said, which you're deciding to make public, which is all the same as making any regular post.
Correct. No rule change. Just you (EB) misunderstanding what was posted. Just because it's in the format of a PM doesn't mean it's protected if it's the writer who posts it. For whatever reason he wanted the board to know what he'd written. Doesn't mean the recipient ever even read it.
Quote: beachbumbabsDoubleA9 was not suspended for cause. His self-resignation was booked, which leads to his ID in red (see Suspension List). The Wizard has said on previous occasions that self-resignations can be reversed by request, but not until 30 days waiting time. They can contact the admins through the "contact" button on the front page, using the email address with which they created the account.
I personally would like to see AA9 return and hear more specifics, so I hope he does.
AcesandEights is suspended, 3 days for personal insult. See ya, Ace.
So, I clicked on the first of Bob's 10 posts (https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/gambling-with-an-edge/20621-gwae-2015-01-08-avoiding-cash-seizure/#post423728 ). That's at least as insulting as what Aces said. Should I hold my breath for Bob's suspension?
Quote: FaceAnd with Babs' action, I withdraw my entire participation in this thread and hand over the reigns.
Damn kenarman. He's got me so frazzled on DT I can't even post properly...
Face,
My apologies. You and I were working at the same time, and I had not realized you were on it a few posts later. I was checking the list to see what needed to be done and making the entries.
I figured it was deliberate and Ace was willing to pay the price to say what he wanted to say, so I obliged him. And respect his choice in doing so.
Quote: beachbumbabsDoubleA9 was not suspended for cause. His self-resignation was booked, which leads to his ID in red (see Suspension List). The Wizard has said on previous occasions that self-resignations can be reversed by request, but not until 30 days waiting time. They can contact the admins through the "contact" button on the front page, using the email address with which they created the account.
I personally would like to see AA9 return and hear more specifics, so I hope he does.
AcesandEights is suspended, 3 days for personal insult. See ya, Ace.
Face was handling this by giving AcesAndEights the opportunity delete his offending words. Now you've suspended him before he had a chance.
Does anyone want to invite DoubleA9 back and waive the 30 days? If there's anyplace that rules were made to be broken, it's right here on our very own soap opera.
Quote: beachbumbabsCorrect. No rule change. Just you (EB) misunderstanding what was posted.
I don't recall anyone here ever posting what
they sent somebody in a PM, except the few
times they were suspended for doing so.
Quote: rdw4potusThat's at least as insulting as what Aces said.
What did he say, I can't find it.
Quote: beachbumbabsFace,
My apologies. You and I were working at the same time, and I had not realized you were on it a few posts later. I was checking the list to see what needed to be done and making the entries.
I figured it was deliberate and Ace was willing to pay the price to say what he wanted to say, so I obliged him. And respect his choice in doing so.
No apology needed. It happens. And it's probably better, as I'm quite obviously a scrambled mess that can't even quote properly lol
Quote: EvenBobI don't recall anyone here ever posting what
they sent somebody in a PM, except the few
times they were suspended for doing so.
Whether you recall something is not pertinent. Can't help you there. You misunderstanding what was posted, claiming it was a rule violation when it wasn't, and claiming the rule said something it didn't is what I'm addressing.
Quote: beachbumbabsWhether you recall something is not pertinent. Can't help you there. You misunderstanding what was posted, claiming it was a rule violation when it wasn't, and claiming the rule said something it didn't is what I'm addressing.
"Private Messaging: Private messages are supposed to be private. Of course, by mutual agreement they can be quoted to a larger audience. The rules above also apply to private messaging, including rule #1. An exception to the privacy rule is that abuses may be reported to the Wizard, JB or Mission146. We will treat it like a "coach's challenge" in the NFL. If a banning is warranted, it will be given. If not, a banning of a perceived victim may be made for making a false claim. (Added 8/17/2012)"
There's a carve-out in there for re-posting a PM as long as it's something I personally wrote? I don't see that at all. That might make sense, but we'd need to change the rule...
Quote: EvenBobPosting any PM is a major violation of the
word 'private'. He'll find out..
No, he can post one he sends to someone, just as long as it doesn't convey anything from previous conversations. Since that was (apparently) his first PM to KewlJ, it couldn't have relayed anything KewlJ said to him in private, so no rule was broken.
Quote: Mission146No, he can post one he sends to someone, just as long as it doesn't convey anything from previous conversations. Since that was (apparently) his first PM to KewlJ, it couldn't have relayed anything KewlJ said to him in private, so no rule was broken.
Agree with this. Spirit of law vs letter of law.
I once PM'd Doc about panoramic photography. That inspired him to make a thread about it, in which he revealed it was the result of our PM and had some details of said PM within it.
Should I have suspended him? lol
I prefer being able to judge "spirit". It might introduce a level of error, but I'd rather have that than a rigid letter-of-the-law enforcement.
Quote: rdw4potus
There's a carve-out in there for re-posting a PM as long as it's something I personally wrote? I don't see that at all. ..
I don't see it nor is it implied. I don't
recall anybody ever posting a PM they
wrote without getting a warning or a
suspension for doing so.
Quote: FaceAgree with this. Spirit of law vs letter of law.
I once PM'd Doc about panoramic photography. That inspired him to make a thread about it, in which he revealed it was the result of our PM and had some details of said PM within it.
Should I have suspended him? lol
I prefer being able to judge "spirit". It might introduce a level of error, but I'd rather have that than a rigid letter-of-the-law enforcement.
OMG yes! Yes you should have suspended Doc. That was a once in a lifetime chance! You didn't want to have the bragging rights for that? Suspending Doc is like shooting the 30 point buck! C'mon, man!
Seriously, judging spirit might be fun, but trying to abide by spirit is some real BS - especially with 6 judges who all have jurisdiction.
Quote: Face
I know guys like EB in real life; perhaps that's why he's never angered me. Go hang with the old timers at the bait store a 6a, they're all EvenBob's. Opinionated and critical, and you're gonna hear it all. And while they may give no quarter, they also don't ask for it.
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I was getting new tires last week and
there was a TV on in the waiting room.
There were half a dozen other people
and they were all diddling on their
phones. There was a game show on the
TV and it was basically stupid, so I
grabbed the remote and switched the
channel.
A young black guy with his waistband
around his knees yelled 'Hey gramps,
I was watching that!'
Gramps? Really? I said to him, 'OK, tell
me what just happened on the show
and I'll switch it back.'
'Forget it' he said, and went back to sending
an extremely important text to whoever.
Gramps? It's come to that already?
Quote: EvenBobI don't see it nor is it implied. I don't
recall anybody ever posting a PM they
wrote without getting a warning or a
suspension for doing so.
The purpose of the Rule is to Respect Privacy, is he violating his own privacy?
Quote: Mission146The purpose of the Rule is to Respect Privacy, is he violating his own privacy?
As I recall MLK was suspended back in 2010
for posting a PM he sent to the Wiz. It contained
nothing bad, but he was suspended for breaking
the PM rule.
Quote: Mission146The purpose of the Rule is to Respect Privacy, is he violating his own privacy?
Can't the first PM in a conversation violate privacy? Say we meet in Vegas and you tell me that you enjoy wearing frilly women's underwear. Then I return home and - without your prompting me - PM you info about frilly women's underwear in a way that makes it clear that this is an interest of yours. Then, you piss me off somehow and I published the PM out of spite. Wouldn't you want to have some recourse under the rules?
Quote: rdw4potusCan't the first PM in a conversation violate privacy? Say we meet in Vegas and you tell me that you enjoy wearing frilly women's underwear. Then I return home and - without your prompting me - PM you info about frilly women's underwear in a way that makes it clear that this is an interest of yours. Then, you piss me off somehow and I published the PM out of spite. Wouldn't you want to have some recourse under the rules?
Quoting myself from earlier: "PM's you yourself wrote may be shared, though if they contain either personal insults or information you learned through private correspondence with the other party, they may still violate forum rules. "
To me, private correspondence is not limited to PM's. In your scenario, you know something personal about the other guy that he probably doesn't want put on an internet forum. If you wrote something like you say, especially if the other guy complained, I would likely rule it a violation, just as I would if you posted it without quoting yourself in PM.
The point is to respect another person's privacy. It isn't all black and white, and so it's adjudicated on a case-by-case basis. For 3 pages now, splitting hairs on how future instances will be treated and how past cases were handled is relatively futile.
