15 Month's AP - Largest Figure Loss, frustration level = High
I feel like we missed an opportunity to have someone else whom shares our passion join us, and it was posters in this threads fault, not the OP's. For that reason I support the idea of e-mailing him. Is this possible?
Quote: beachbumbabssplitting hairs on how future instances will be treated and how past cases were handled is relatively futile.
And where are the past cases? This is
my 5th year and the only times people
posted a PM or part of a PM, they got
warned or suspended. Where are the
examples of people who got away with
it.
Quote: rdw4potusOMG yes! Yes you should have suspended Doc. That was a once in a lifetime chance! You didn't want to have the bragging rights for that? Suspending Doc is like shooting the 30 point buck! C'mon, man!
If I saw a turdy point buck, I'd likely let it go. Bragging rights last a day, shame much longer.
Quote: rdw4potusSeriously, judging spirit might be fun, but trying to abide by spirit is some real BS - especially with 6 judges who all have jurisdiction.
I wouldn't call it "fun". My opinion is that it's "better".
And yes, 6 judges with 6 differing personalities does cause for some greying. But I kind of think that's a good thing. Not knowing exactly where the line is should give people pause. It doesn't always, but I think it's an encouragement.
Of course, I may not be the best judge. Green aside, I can't for the life of me see what's so hard about the rules. I mean, I see it's hard to figure out where the line is. But I don't get the desire to be so close to it =/
Yes you did....seems very suspicious to me. Where were you on the night of January 14th, 2015 at 8:35:45 PM?Quote: RomesWow, guess I missed the train lol..
Quote: RomesCan we get back to OP, and the main concern of the thread?
The truth or gist of something isn't necessarily copyrighted or otherwise private. Announcing yourself a fool in private doesn't preclude someone rightly stating it in public. It's the freely provided spurious facts and editorializing you have to be careful about.
"The first mate on a ship decided to celebrate an occasion with a "little" stowed away rum. Unfortunately he got drunk and was still drunk the next morning. The captain saw him drunk and when the first mate was sober, showed him the following entry in the ship's log: "The first mate was drunk today." "Captain please don't let that stay in the log", the mate said. "This could add months or years to my becoming a captain myself." "Is it true?" asked the captain, already knowing the answer. "Yes, its true" the mate said. "Then if it is true it has to go in the log. That's the rule. If its true it goes into the log, end of discussion" said the captain sternly. Weeks later, it was the first mate's turn to make the log entries. The first mate wrote: "The ship seems in good shape. The captain was sober today.""
Quote: beachbumbabsCorrect. No rule change. Just you (EB) misunderstanding what was posted. Just because it's in the format of a PM doesn't mean it's protected if it's the writer who posts it. For whatever reason he wanted the board to know what he'd written. Doesn't mean the recipient ever even read it.
So now an open letter is okay.
He obviously knew some members histories, so he had to know exactly how this would play out.
It all just seemed very contrived.
Assuming everybody is wrong regarding the legitimacy of his post and If everything he said is true, then this shouldn't deter him in the future, he will be stronger and be more respected for it.
Quote: AxelWolfIt all just seemed very contrived.
Maybe, was trying to make a point of a different sort.
Quote: KerkebetMaybe, was trying to make a point of a different sort.
It's like he was expecting the reaction he got.
He sat right there at his computer the whole
time, firing back comments as soon as he read
a post. From my experience only a certain kind
of poster does that.
Quote: rdw4potusCan't the first PM in a conversation violate privacy? Say we meet in Vegas and you tell me that you enjoy wearing frilly women's underwear. Then I return home and - without your prompting me - PM you info about frilly women's underwear in a way that makes it clear that this is an interest of yours. Then, you piss me off somehow and I published the PM out of spite. Wouldn't you want to have some recourse under the rules?
Quote: Mission146
No, he can post one he sends to someone, just as long as it doesn't convey anything from previous conversations. Since that was (apparently) his first PM to KewlJ, it couldn't have relayed anything KewlJ said to him in private, so no rule was broken.
Quote: AxelWolfYes you did....seems very suspicious to me. Where were you on the night of January 14th, 2015 at 8:35:45 PM?
I was at... the place... I mean... um, YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!!
Quote: AxelWolf...Assuming everybody is wrong regarding the legitimacy of his post and If everything he said is true, then this shouldn't deter him in the future, he will be stronger and be more respected for it.
Again, I wasn't arguing on the legitimacy of his post, more how he, as a new member whom shared his excitement about our community, was treated. Even if his post was 'suspect' and not very believable without any further facts/etc. As I stated in a previous post there were a lot of other questions that could have been asked to essentially call his story BS, without dejecting a new person whom shares all of our passion from our community.
Even if he didn't add that 245k win from 3k It still sounded contrived.Quote: RomesI was at... the place... I mean... um, YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!!
Again, I wasn't arguing on the legitimacy of his post, more how he, as a new member whom shared his excitement about our community, was treated. Even if his post was 'suspect' and not very believable without any further facts/etc. As I stated in a previous post there were a lot of other questions that could have been asked to essentially call his story BS, without dejecting a new person whom shares all of our passion from our community.
IMO its someone (probably a former member) who was board and decided to pull our chains.
Or its a low limit newbie card counter who has been reading KJ's posts and wanted to connect with members like JK has. READ the OP's posts carefully, its like one short altered version of some of Kewl's posts .
Quote: RomesHowever, I will say it's kind of sad to see such prominent forums members almost launch what I would consider an attack against the OP......As an ambassador to WOV, I feel ashamed of these forums.......I'm very disappointed in a lot of people I hold in high regard.
Ok, Mr Romes, I will address your concerns. There were only three members involved in this discussion with the OP last night, Axelwolf, EvenBob and myself. Axel really didn't say too much. Voiced his skepticism. EvenBob was being EvenBob...negative, baiting. He knows right where to push people and he knows the lines that he can't cross, but baits them into crossing. That is what he does. If anything about EB's posts last night surprised you then you haven't been paying attention. So, I guess the real respondent that both surprised and disappointed you so, was myself.
Now let's start at the beginning with the facts. In post #1, the initial post of both the thread and the poster the poster made 2 claims. One being about his recent loss of 110K in 4 days and the second being his initial build up from a starting bankroll of $3000 to $245,000 in 15 months. This is the part I have a problem with. I am going to quote DoubleA9, so you can see I am not changing his words.
Quote: DoubleA9
P.S. I grew fast in a financial sense... starting at $3,000 and turning it into over $245,000.00 in just 15 months; I also realize that any lucky gambler can achieve this but I am not just any gambler. I use a set spread, indices, and proper BS. Depending on the table and rules, I also keep my RoR =>1%
(I even welcome the whitty responses, HA!)
Ok. He grew his bankroll, from $3000 to $245,000 in 15 months, not by some amzing lucky run of a gambler as there are some legends and stories about. DoubleA9 specifically said that accumulated those $242,000 in winnings in 15 months, by counting cards. He used a set spread, indicies and proper BS. AND HE KEPT HIS RoR => 1%.
Lets start with this => symbol. I would take that to mean equal to or greater than, but he clearly meant equal to or less than as he specified that later in the thread. This is a site founded in mathematics, so lets look at the mathematics. A RoR less than 1% of a $3000 bankroll is a spread of $5 about $15. That wouldn't even be a +EV game on anything but a single deck game with very good rules. So, he probably isn't even playing a break even game, yet he won a quarter of a million dollars over 15 months.
Now I know a little something about playing very low limit red chip game with a very small bankroll. I did it for the better part of 3 years, until I very methotically grew my measly little $4300 bankroll to 5 figures and then could start betting ever slightly more and then it begins to snowball.
It's not that this quarter million dollar win in 15 months at these levels isn't likely, but mathematically, while we don't use the term impossible, the odds are about the same as Chris Christe winning.....not the presidency.....The Boston Marathon. :)
So I shared my thoughts with him (as per his request), that I didn't believe his story and told him why and even offered him a chance to amend his story and what do you know....in the very next post his story started to change. There were also some other little bits of info that he shared with me via PM, which according to the rules I can't and wouldn't even if I could talk about. (so you are criticizing without knowing all the facts).
So Maybe my comment about the French Fry Operator went to far, I was just having some fun with him. And then he started to get mad and nasty. Saying F U to EvenBob and making the “brokeback Mountain” comment, so I apologized, not for my view that his story was infactual, but for hurting his feelings. I even suggested that he amend his offensive posts so that he wouldn't get into trouble.
Now driving him from the site: That's total horse sh*t! He asked to have his account terminated, publically. Personally I think that was heat of the moment, and being a new member, he had no idea of the sites, self exclusion rule, so I am disappointed to see the power that be hold him to that. I would allow him back immediately if he wanted to come.
Again, I want to say that I am not the slightest bit regretful of anything that occurred or that I said or did, other than that I apparently hurt the guys feelings. If someone is going to come on and make a claim that they flew to the moon and back without a rocket ship, which is about what the OP said, they had better be prepared for the response that DoubleA9 received. There are people that come here for educational purposes and if we allow such a ridiculous claim to go unchallenged we are doing a disservice to this mathematically and factually based site.
Thus ends part 1. there will be a part 2 coming about something else that you said that I want to address.
Quote: kewljSaying F U to EvenBob and making the “brokeback Mountain” comment,
I thought he was somebody who was
here before. He knew way too much
about us, he even knows enough about
you to make the Breakback comment.
And I wasn't baiting him, he was doing that
to himself. He wanted a big reaction and
he got one.
Quote: EvenBobI thought he was somebody who was
here before. He knew way too much
about us, he even knows enough about
you to make the Breakback comment.
And I wasn't baiting him, he was doing that
to himself. He wanted a big reaction and
he got one.
Bob, he made the Breakback mountain comment to you! Because you pushed his buttons. Just as he made the FU comment to you. Come on Bob, you have a way of pushing people's buttons. Lol.
I think he only knew things about me, because I post to much. :(
Quote: kewljBob, he made the Breakback mountain comment to you! :(
Yes, but he made it to me because of
you, because he thought we were double
teaming him. It was a snide comment
directed at your lifestyle. Go back and
read the context he gave it in. It makes
no sense otherwise.
Romes, you seemed to take the fact that I didn't meet with you personally. Let me explain something to you. This isn't my hobby, or some part-time pastime. I PLAY BLACKJACK FOR A LIVING. (can I still say that after the down year that I had? Lol) People that are professional gamblers are somewhat paranoid and very secretive as a rule. We are in competition with other AP's and looking over our shoulder at the casino industry.
In the 6-7 years that I have participated on blackjack and AP sites, I have personally met 3 people. I am not interested in meeting up with members just as a social meeting. I am not interested in meeting up with any group of AP's just to hang out. BJ21, which is the most prominent blackjack site has a green chip party every year, attended by some very prominent AP's and I have yet to attend. For me to take the risk of actually meeting an AP, they have to be something pretty special. Someone that such a one on one meeting would greatly benefit myself. I am sure that sounds selfish, but that is the way it is.
Now I do realize that there are many newer players than sort of idolize me. Probably not as many on this site as on one of the BJ sites that I participate. That is probably a bad thing for both them and myself. Certainly not something I encourage, but I have been fortunate enough to have some mild success playing blackjack and I make a living doing so. What I consider a decent living for a guy with only a high school education.
Because I share many of my experiences (at least up til now) both good and bad, some of these guys see me as living their dream. I honestly try not to encourage anyone to follow my footsteps and that is why I share all of my experiences, the good the bad, the embarrassing. Does any one honestly think I enjoyed posting about what an underachieving year I had. It literally was embarrassing. The mythical French fry operator would have had a better year than me. But If I am going to share the good, I felt obligated to share the bad. The glory days of blackjack are gone. Today doing what I do is a grind.
Anyway my point is, that I am sorry that I am unwilling to meet with everyone who would like to meet me. I literally get requests every week. It is flattering that some of you would like to meet me, but I can't and won't. Please Don't take it personally. I am also sorry that some of you idolize me and that I can't always live up to your expectations. I am just a blackjack player grinding away for a living that shares some of his experiences. I try to give back some. I hope some can benefit from it, but in all truthfulness, sharing as I do is not beneficial to me at all. It is actually detrimental. I don't want to be your idol. I don't want to be held to a higher standard. I don't want the fact that I had a little fun on the site to be a disappointment to you.
And don't I have a right to have a little fun on the site as well. On the blackjack sites that I participate, I am all business. My participation on wizard of Vegas is a little lighter. I like to participate in some non BJ topics as well. So just give me a freaking break Romes. The guy said he flew to the moon and back. I said "no you didn't". :)
Quote: EvenBobYes, but he made it to me because of
you, because he thought we were double
teaming him. It was a snide comment
directed at your lifestyle. Go back and
read the context he gave it in. It makes
no sense otherwise.
Really? I just assumed he thought you were flaming. :)
Quote: BozSomewhere Charles Barkley is smiling.
I don't get it, Boz? Did I unknowingly quote Charles somewhere along the line?
Quote: kewljI don't get it, Boz? Did I unknowingly quote Charles somewhere along the line?
Remember the Barkley "I am not a role model" Nike commercial? You sounded like him in your post.
Philly hoops hasn't been the same since he was traded. But it may be coming back in the Hinkie plan works.
Quote: kewljSo just give me a freaking break Romes. The guy said he flew to the moon and back. I said "no you didn't". :)
That's OK, he doesn't like me either. At least
we still have each other...
Quote: Romes::Salute::
Ahh, I couldn't remember the name of the thread =P. Exactly! That poster made even more of outrageous claims...
Flawless Victory.
As far as EvenBob goes, I started to dislike him when I came to this forums and read them thread by thread backwards and saw him taunting/enjoying the troubles/losses of AOS in his trip reports. While I think he is roughed edged and does make some good points now and then (whist looking quite rude), I do agree that overall my opinion is that he brings mostly all negative posting to our community, which is why I generally don't interact much with him.
Am I late? Bob and I disagree on many things, but he makes makes a lot of good points, and is far more thoughtful than many give him credit for. Very few issues have only one or two valid points of view, and Bob often shines a light on a side many haven't considered.
He doesn't need anyone to stick up for him. I'm not. I'm sticking up for the value of many perspectives, which allows nuanced understanding of issues.
Sorry to be discussing you as if you weren't here, Bob. I'll go back to lurking this thread now.
Secondly, I never once cared that anyone criticized his story, claims, etc. In fact, I said numerous times that I didn't believe them either. It was the manner in which they were criticized that affected me. I've seen a lot of threads... and I've seen newbies come in with outrageous claims, dumb questions, etc. Generally they might get a slap on the wrists, like a link to something they should have found for themselves (I've even responded as such to questions like this). There was another thread where someone claimed to have made over a million from just a few grand as well, in a crazy, non counting, parlay of sorts. In that thread even, the OP was of course questions for legitimacy, but he never seemed to be flat out "attacked" or called a liar. Most people worded their questions as "Yeah, how on Earth could you do that? What were you betting? How did you jump limits?" etc etc etc. As I mentioned in a prior post I felt this thread could have been handled the same way, without the need to get the OP riled up to a point where he no longer wants to be a part of our community (and trust me, I know EB, and his responses weren't out of character for him). I told EB that I have no problems with him, but I think he's exceedingly negative, etc.
Now this thread struck that much further home for me because while EB normally does this, it's normally not to someone who clearly showed some 'starter' knowledge of the game, nor to someone who expressed such a happy passionate interest about being among like minded people. The reason this struck home for me is because I was the same exact way when I found the blackjackinfo forums, and our very own WOV forums. I was super excited to meet other people to talk to them about their experiences, because as we all know usually you can't share your BJ career with many of your family/friends as they won't understand how funny it is when you double your 9 to an 8 because it was like TC +7 and you had your max bet out, and you caught the 10 like you predicted (yet the PB was laughing at you for doing it)! This is a place that some people, such as myself, are very excited about, and clearly the OP was one of those people and not our run of the mill newbie poster (even while yes he was making ridiculous claims).
So you see it has very little to do with his story, and a lot more to do with the fact that I could see myself in his post a bit, and the other comments in the thread came off like an attack on someone who was super excited just to be here. I also know I'm not the only one who felt this way as multiple other posters came forward to share they too felt the same way. By the way, as you know I read the thread today. There were 11 other posters in the thread before I responded, so I was not directing my comments at you, especially because you did apologize for hurting his feelings (and I wouldn't expect you to apologize for anything else you said). I almost added in my original post "(not referring to you KJ)" because I did see how you might have thought that. I was just hoping you didn't take it that way... So to be clear, I wasn't claiming you were doing the attacking. It was mostly EB, and yes I know him and his style, but as I said already this time it was a bit more personal because I feel we lost someone who was very passionate about being a part of our community.
A lucky slot player could turn 100 into 500K in one spin, so I think OP's story of turning 3000 into 245K in 15 months is credible.
For the same reason, OP's losing of 120K in 4 days is perfectly normal.
Well, "winning streaks come and go". sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. that's the nature of gambling.
just my 2 cents
Quote: MoscaAm I late? Bob and I disagree on many things, but he makes makes a lot of good points, and is far more thoughtful than many give him credit for. Very few issues have only one or two valid points of view, and Bob often shines a light on a side many haven't considered.
.
Thanks Mosca. The people I respect the
most around here always stick up
for me. (not that I need it..)
Quote: pokerfaceThe OP is not an AP. He is just a gambler.
A lucky slot player could turn 100 into 500K in one spin, so I think OP's story of turning 3000 into 245K in 15 months is credible.
For the same reason, OP's losing of 120K in 4 days is perfectly normal.
Well, "winning streaks come and go". sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. that's the nature of gambling.
just my 2 cents
Only problem is that I not what he said. Re-read the first post. He said he turned $3000 into $245,000 in 15 months by card counting, using specific spreads, and basic strategy and a 1% RoR. The 1% RoR on a $3000 BR means a spread of $5-$15 or $5-$20 (I haven't run the numbers) and that probably isn't even a winning game. He could not have done what he said via card counting. Could not. Could Not Could not.
Quote: kewljHe could not have done what he said via card counting. Could not. Could Not Could not.
That's what's so odd about all the hand wringing
at the loss of this guy. I knew also he was making
it up, and said as much. I figured he was a former
member so I gave him some flack. Now the guy
has escaped with the Grail or something. He was
just having us on, as the Brits say..
Back to the topic of this thread, I am too surprised that the OP was attacked by many forum members. To me his story of turning 3k into over 200k is not that unbelievable. He mentioned that he used hail mary approach of 30 max bets, which means he was betting $100 max when he started. With a few good shoes he could have doubled his 3k in a few hours, if he reinvests all his winnings and keep betting Hail Mary, his claim of increasing his 3k 80 folds in 15 months is respectable.
Obviously, his story doesn't happen often in the real world, and no one who plan on card counting should try his approach.
Given the chance of a passenger plane crashing is 0.00001%, and we don't immediately rule out a news report on a crashed plane as forged news, why should we immediately claim the OP forged his story when it sounds improbable?
Nope, but there were many more clues that made everything not add up. Remember he started backtracking his original story. Even the timeline of when he found WOV was off. It wasn't one thing it was everything.Quote: NumpkinIMO, a majority of card counters, myself included, started out as what people here would call "gamblers". Many famous card counters mentioned in their books that they started very small, something like less than 1k bankroll. Though they didn't mention how big they played when they started, there were no way they could play within Kelly with a 1k bank. Very few card counters started out with a 5 figure bankroll so they can play at sub 1% ROR with a reasonable profit, so they have to "gamble" their way into the "safe zone".
Back to the topic of this thread, I am too surprised that the OP was attacked by many forum members. To me his story of turning 3k into over 200k is not that unbelievable. He mentioned that he used hail mary approach of 30 max bets, which means he was betting $100 max when he started. With a few good shoes he could have doubled his 3k in a few hours, if he reinvests all his winnings and keep betting Hail Mary, his claim of increasing his 3k 80 folds in 15 months is respectable.
Obviously, his story doesn't happen often in the real world, and no one who plan on card counting should try his approach.
Given the chance of a passenger plane crashing is 0.00001%, and we don't immediately rule out a news report on a crashed plane as forged news, why should we immediately claim the OP forged his story when it sounds improbable?
He was looking for some trash talking "(I even welcome the whitty responses, HA!)" I know that's not a direct invitation for PI's but that would be to obvious.
There's a few guy around that purposely make stuff up for various reasons. Look up Nutrino, he made up stuff about hitting jackpots on Bovada with a ruse of getting tax help, and only god knows what else. He even made up sockpuppet accounts in the true meaning of the word.
Should every claim be meet with skepticism? No, however sometimes things don't pass the smell test. If members are wrong at first judgment, oftentimes that comes out and everything works itself out.
Quote: kewljOnly problem is that I not what he said. Re-read the first post. He said he turned $3000 into $245,000 in 15 months by card counting, using specific spreads, and basic strategy and a 1% RoR. The 1% RoR on a $3000 BR means a spread of $5-$15 or $5-$20 (I haven't run the numbers) and that probably isn't even a winning game. He could not have done what he said via card counting. Could not. Could Not Could not.
strictly speaking, I completely agree with you.
I don't believe the card counting part (of his story) at all. I imagine OP just played a -EV game, probably not even follow the BS.
I have a friend who is very much like the OP. He claims he is one of the best blackjack players in our local casino, but in reality he doesn't even know BS.
Well he knows some typical hands such as stand 15 against dealer's 6 etc.
A couple of yeas ago I saw with my own eyes how he turned his last $200 into 50K in half an hour playing blackjack.
Quote: FaceIf you noticed that, did you not notice how close those two have become with each other as a result of it?
I know guys like EB in real life; perhaps that's why he's never angered me. Go hang with the old timers at the bait store a 6a, they're all EvenBob's. Opinionated and critical, and you're gonna hear it all. And while they may give no quarter, they also don't ask for it.
Life takes all kinds. Every forum should have an EB. If his 16k is just one long con, then hats off to him. But he's one of my favorites.
How about this - if you really don't like him, don't let him shorten your recent reappearance. Go edit that post, out of respect of the forum if not yourself. Not only will it save me some work, it'll save 1BB from making his monthly Suspension List Quota Reports ;)
I'll give you a few minutes. This isn't a demand or even a request. Just a suggestion.
Now now, Face. Our friend Sonuvabish is spending 30 days in "the hole" and you haven't heard one peep out of me. Nary a peep I tell ya. I haven't even looked at the Suspension List is at least 10 minutes. Believe me? :-)
Quote: kewljNo witty response here. Just the truth: I don't believe you. I am not usually this blunt or rude. But there is just no way.
$3000 to $245,000 in 15 months through card counting can't be done. You have watched the MIT movie too many times.
Ever heard of the "Million Dollar Bum" who cashed in his Social Security Check of only $400 and got up to...wait for it...a milli? Unfortunately that lucky break happened to an idiot and he lost it all.
Quote: kewljNo witty response here. Just the truth: I don't believe you. I am not usually this blunt or rude. But there is just no way.
$3000 to $245,000 in 15 months through card counting can't be done. You have watched the MIT movie too many times.
I started my blackjack career 11 years ago with $4300. Not all that different than your claim. 3 years later my BR was barely 5 figures. Yes, I had taken about $24,000+, out over those 3 years to survive (barely). In other words I made roughly $30,000 over those first 3 year ($10,000 per year), playing the same red chip level that you describe. And looking back, now, I now know I was damn lucky to have pulled that off.
Now here is why I don't think your results could be so dramatically different than mine. Card counting done right will provide you with a very slim advantage....razor thin. If you play at a 'reasonable RoR', about the best long-term results you can hope for is to turn your BR over twice in a year, and that requires a lot of play time. And if you don't play at a reasonable RoR, you are going to go broke. No 'ifs', 'ands' or 'buts' about it, if you wager more than 2 x Kelly, you will go broke.
Now there have been many stories, legends, myths about folks that go on a roll and run some small amount like $3000 into hundreds of thousands of dollars. I suppose that's possible if you go on some kind of monster roll, winning 80% of your wagers. But's that's just aggressive straight gambling. It has nothing to do with card counting. Card counting is about a very methodical, slow grind, with very conservative wagering (usually fractional Kelly). You just can NOT methodically, slow grind your way from $3000 to $245,000 via card counting in 15 months.
So if you want to amend your story of how you got from $3000 to $245,000 in 15 months, we can then dissect your more recent results, but if you are sticking with $3000 to $245,000 in 15 months, via red chip card counting, your on your own.
I went from $100-$5000 in the same time length. High RoR at first, but it soon was below 1%. Add another 15 months, and my BR quadrupled. I agree, he couldn't do it red chipping. And my spreads were ridiculous, and no camo. But if he was playing high stakes the whole time, putting in a lot of hours,, don't see why it is impossible that there is someone with less table etiquette than me and managed to get away with it. On the other hand, his story was doubtful.
Quote: rdw4potusCan't the first PM in a conversation violate privacy? Say we meet in Vegas and you tell me that you enjoy wearing frilly women's underwear. Then I return home and - without your prompting me - PM you info about frilly women's underwear in a way that makes it clear that this is an interest of yours. Then, you piss me off somehow and I published the PM out of spite. Wouldn't you want to have some recourse under the rules?
Let me see if I read that correctly, you met with Mission146 in Vegas and learned of the frilly women's underwear habit and now you just revealed the whole sordid affair to the entire list? Really? kewl.....2F
Quote: TwoFeathersATLLet me see if I read that correctly, you met with Mission146 in Vegas and learned of the frilly women's underwear habit and now you just revealed the whole sordid affair to the entire list? Really? kewl.....2F
Posted that yesterday. Had some time to think about the implications. Now the question is " just how many of the mods and members are involved in this frilly women's underwear habit", and just exactly how kinky is this site? Just asking....;-) 2F
Quote: Baccaratfrom79My x-wife in NYC owned many brothels in Midtown and south. But I never mention her habits.
Never been to NYC, so probably haven't met your ex. Does she have a twin sister? Might have met her ;-) .. Squirrelly Feathers
Quote: TwoFeathersATLNever been to NYC, so probably haven't met your ex. Does she have a twin sister? Might have met her ;-) .. Squirrelly Feathers
Believe me, you don't want to meet her. She went to Connecticut and was doing the same business there last I heard a few years back. She doesn't gamble, but all of her girls do and they do pool there cash together for a dedicated player. At least they used to.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79My x-wife in NYC owned many brothels in Midtown and south. But I never mention her habits.
There are many nuns who don't mention their habits either
Quote: TwoFeathersATLPosted that yesterday. Had some time to think about the implications. Now the question is " just how many of the mods and members are involved in this frilly women's underwear habit", and just exactly how kinky is this site? Just asking....;-) 2F
I am a mod who's definitely involved in this frilly women's underwear habit, and some of it looks pretty good on me. :)
Quote: beachbumbabsI am a mod who's definitely involved in this frilly women's underwear habit, and some of it looks pretty good on me. :)
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Quote: beachbumbabsI am a mod who's definitely involved in this frilly women's underwear habit, and some of it looks pretty good on me. :)
OK, first remember it's my birthday, one of those big round number birthdays, one of the ones you would just like to ignore. So I go out and buy some frilly women's underwear, not for me of course, but I couldn't help my self. I tried some on. I looked rather silly. I was obviously not meant to wear frilly women's underwear. Not even close. But if the Mods and other members look good in them, hell,....More power to ya!
Quote: NOTYAPPRECIATE THE AWESOME WELCOME TO THE BOARDS FROM EVERY DIRT BAG - 3 YEARS LATER AND I STILL HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN HOW POORLY I WAS TREATED!
Sup
Don't know about this excursion into frilly underwear or 'entertainment establishments' in Manhattan.
Maybe I'll just slink away and perhaps get back to sleep or else google autographed snowballs and figure out how much they can be hocked for.
Quote: NOTYAPPRECIATE THE AWESOME WELCOME TO THE BOARDS FROM EVERY DIRT BAG - 3 YEARS LATER AND I STILL HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN HOW POORLY I WAS TREATED!
Get a life?
