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RogerKint
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July 20th, 2013 at 4:01:26 PM permalink
The game has migrated across the street into Binions and there's now two tables at GN. There seems to always be about 3 people or more playing at the Binions location. It's the ONLY game in Binions that pays 3:2 for naturals (well, besides "Burn 20" but no one plays that). I tried to use my promo chips at Free Bet but was denied by the pit boss.
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JimRockford
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July 20th, 2013 at 4:53:00 PM permalink
I enjoyed playing freebet at the Mirage a few weeks ago. The day I arrived I was very disappointed to find that the freebet table along with all of the S17 tables were behind temporary plastic curtains for some renovations, but they were back in action the second night I was there. I like the action of the game. You are doubling many more hands than you normally would and it feels like the variance is lower. I only played a couple of hours, but there were several dealer mistakes on a dealer hand of 22. One was paid as if it busted. One hand was paid but the mistake was caught before the next hand and the payment was collected from the players. Another hand would have been paid, but an exaggerated groan from a player clued in the dealer. I may have played more, but the regular S17 tables were very good to me for the rest of the trip and that where I spent most of my time.
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SnowCitizen
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August 5th, 2013 at 9:30:13 AM permalink
I played Free Bet on Friday August 2nd at the Aria. Unfortunately the Aria does not offer surrender, so I believe their HE is 1.00%. I decided to play anyway since I was already there and the game is a lot of fun. I had bad luck with dealer 22's and minimal split opportunities, but I will definately play on future trips at a different casino. I do feel it is greedy on their part not to offer surrender because the player errors in this game will be huge.

When I played on Friday it was around noon. The table minimum was $15. Most of the time there were only 1-2 players. As I said, anyone reading these forums should avoid the Aria since surrender makes a big difference, larger than regular blackjack.

Hopefully next time I can hit a hard 17 or double a soft 20 and get some dirty looks.
tringlomane
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August 5th, 2013 at 12:39:28 PM permalink
The errors won't be as huge as switch though. :)

Do you know if Mirage still offers surrender? I think they did, but it didn't come up. I'll be back there soon, and I'll try to give it another crack at it.
JimRockford
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August 5th, 2013 at 12:42:15 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

The errors won't be as huge as switch though. :)

Do you know if Mirage still offers surrender? I think they did, but it didn't come up. I'll be back there soon, and I'll try to give it another crack at it.


Mirage offered surrender on free Bet when I was there at the end of June.
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Paradigm
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August 10th, 2013 at 11:57:21 AM permalink
Quote: SnowCitizen

I do feel it is greedy on their part not to offer surrender because the player errors in this game will be huge.


I don't think the player errors are that bad in this game if you just take all your Free Bets. Switch can comment, but if you play basic strategy at all time and just take all your Free Bets, I wonder what the HE is for Free Bet under the 0.62% HE set of rules (or is it 0.69%, where you only Free Double on 9-11 any number of cards and can free split everything except $'s & 10's)?
wrongway
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August 10th, 2013 at 6:01:15 PM permalink
We just got back and Mirage does offer surrender. It is also our favorite place to play by the way.
ams288
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August 14th, 2013 at 11:11:11 AM permalink
I didn't even realize surrender was an option. D'oh!

I guess I'm too used to BJ Switch.

NYNY has a table now. Looked like they're using a 6 deck shoe. Sadly, with NYNY only having FOUR remaining 3-2 BJ tables on the main floor, Free Bet is one of the best bets they offer.
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Paigowdan
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August 28th, 2013 at 11:22:01 AM permalink
Update on Freebet BJ, courtesy of Steve How's discountgambling.net :

1. At least one casino (Viejas) now allows Free Doubles on soft 19, 20, and 21, considering them to also be hard 9, 10, and 11, which they are. Obviously, you'd never wreck a 21, but free-doubling on soft-20 against 3-6, and free-doubling on soft-19 against everything except a dealer's 8 is the way to go.

2. The push-22 side bet is in action there (Viejas), with the following good payouts:
- suited 22 = 50:1
- monochrome 22 = 20:1
- two-tone 22 = 8:1

Viejas, Baby, Viejas.....
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waznboi03
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August 28th, 2013 at 1:09:11 PM permalink
I'm not a mathematician, but wouldn't negative progression such as martingale be exploited up to the table limit? That's a theoretical 8 to 1 for your money, no risk (3 splits, 4 doubles).

I'm sure the table max is only $500, but can anyone calculate how many steps in negative progression would be required to be profitable?

I can't wait to play this game because although I don't martingale, I do positive progression and the doubles/splits make or break me.

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