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charliepatrick
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August 29th, 2013 at 12:02:41 PM permalink
Quote: waznboi03

...the doubles/splits make or break me.

The nice thing about Freebet is you rarely have to put more of your own money up and so don't have to suffer having put up eight bets (splits and doubles) to see none of them have a point and the dealer scoop the lot. It has the opposite feature that occasionally you'll have made a crazy double (technically correct) like 9 vs A and actually win, or have done lots of splits/doubles only costing you one initial wager but standing to win much more. It's this N to 1 payout that I think weekend players enjoy, and it's easier for the dealer and players don't have to put-up more physical money.

Slight warning for martingale/progression - obviously the above comes at a cost and it's that you're less likely to win (as opposed to lose). Statistically you make the free doubles if the chances of winning exceed 33%, i.e. always, but your odds of winning are quite often less than 50% - but you're being paid 2 to 1 if you do win.
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August 29th, 2013 at 1:08:37 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


1. At least one casino (Viejas) now allows Free Doubles on soft 19, 20, and 21, considering them to also be hard 9, 10, and 11, which they are. Obviously, you'd never wreck a 21, but free-doubling on soft-20 against 3-6, and free-doubling on soft-19 against everything except a dealer's 8 is the way to go.



Does this mean that if I free double on soft 19 I am declaring the hand a 9? In other words, if I receive a 2 (spades) after free doubling, my hand is an 11, not 21?
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tringlomane
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August 29th, 2013 at 1:41:43 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

Does this mean that if I free double on soft 19 I am declaring the hand a 9? In other words, if I receive a 2 (spades) after free doubling, my hand is an 11, not 21?



I don't think so; I think they are basically allowing free doubles on soft 19-21, but I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure Stephen's page is assuming soft 19-21 here. The difference it would make is fairly small though.
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August 29th, 2013 at 1:43:35 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

Does this mean that if I free double on soft 19 I am declaring the hand a 9? In other words, if I receive a 2 (spades) after free doubling, my hand is an 11, not 21?


No. Your hand is fully a 21, and of course, a probable winner on the double down.

The rule change does not assign you or anyone the "worse" value on a soft hand. A soft final hand is always considered at its best possible value. The rule change simply extends the ability to Free Double on soft hands of 19, 20, and 21, if you wish.
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charliepatrick
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September 1st, 2013 at 12:37:46 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

...double on soft 19 I am declaring the hand a 9?...if I receive a 2...my hand is an 11...

Normal Blackjack warning if you're in Belgium and double - yes you now have an 11!

btw Freebet has just gone back into Southampton (UK) - is this part of a wider install across the group? Interestingly the table didn't have the 22 bet but the Top3 and 21+2 which are locally quite popular. In Reading nearly half the people seemed to play the 22 when I was there recently: I was at the adjacent UTH table and it seemed the frequency of 22's determined their profit rather than their Blackjack luck.

btw The side bet pays 10/1 for any 22, 17/1 for coloured 22 and 35/1 for suited 22 (presumably these are because they are roulette odds). Has anyone the house edge (dealer stands soft 17) as I got it at about 3.75% for 6 decks.
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September 1st, 2013 at 8:09:49 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Normal Blackjack warning if you're in Belgium and double - yes you now have an 11!

btw Freebet has just gone back into Southampton (UK) - is this part of a wider install across the group? Interestingly the table didn't have the 22 bet but the Top3 and 21+2 which are locally quite popular. In Reading nearly half the people seemed to play the 22 when I was there recently: I was at the adjacent UTH table and it seemed the frequency of 22's determined their profit rather than their Blackjack luck.

btw The side bet pays 10/1 for any 22, 17/1 for coloured 22 and 35/1 for suited 22 (presumably these are because they are roulette odds). Has anyone the house edge (dealer stands soft 17) as I got it at about 3.75% for 6 decks.



Hi Charlie, when you say it's gone back into Southampton does that mean it was there before and taken out before being installed again?

It's also just gone into Leicester but I'd like to see more penetration within the Grosvenor group now that they have acquired the Gala casinos, particularly as the game is getting very good feedback from its current installations.

Nice to hear that the 'Push 22' side-bet is getting some reasonable play at Reading. Working with SHFL, we have developed a progressive 'Push 22' side-bet for the US market which I'd like to see installed in the near future. You were correct with the UK version on both counts - I created the pay-outs to coincide with roulette odds and the house edge is 3.76%.
charliepatrick
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September 2nd, 2013 at 5:08:57 PM permalink
Quote: Switch

Hi Charlie, when you say it's gone back into Southampton does that mean it was there before and taken out before being installed again?

My memory isn't what it used to be! I suspect they had all the other variants (Switch, Burn20) so might not have got FreeBet before. Thanks for confirming my numbers - it's the first time I've worked out something based on non-infinite decks for Blackjack, as usually I'm after a strategy rather than the HE and infinite is easier and shows most decisions correctly (except for close ones).

btw The last time I looked the wizard page (http://wizardofodds.com/games/free-bet-blackjack/) it only had the US strategy for FreeBet, e.g. I hit 14vs 2 and 12 vs 5/6. Also finally got to hit a hard 17 at the weekend.

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September 2nd, 2013 at 5:19:58 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Also finally got to hit a hard 17 at the weekend.
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Hehe, did you get any strange comments made? More importantly, did it pay off ? :-)
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September 3rd, 2013 at 3:02:15 AM permalink
Quote: Switch

Hehe, did you get any strange comments made? More importantly, did it pay off ? :-)

I did jokingly say "Hitting Hard 17 - card please" and no-one said anything. Annoyingly I took a five and the next card was the dealer's ten - but that's life, so doesn't worry me. Looking forward to doubling A9 one day.
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September 23rd, 2013 at 5:41:13 AM permalink
Anyone know if the conditions of this game have changed at The Mirage?

I read that they've totally ruined all their BJ games. Everything under $25 is now 6-5, no surrender, no even money. Six deck shoes are now eight deck shoes.

Did they change Free Bet to 6-5 as well?
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