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October 29th, 2022 at 1:42:05 PM permalink
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With all of the posting in this thread, you could have easily typed a quick paragraph outlining the challenge parameters and metrics (don't say you don't have time, because the thread history would counter that).
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Sure I could have but after the way I've been treated in this thread called every name in the book and told over and over and over that I'm lying what makes you think you deserve anything from me in the way of details. As far as The Wiz being involved he reads this thread and he sees that I posted a picture of all the private messages we exchanged why does he need to say anything else. He wants to say something he'll say something. He challenged me, the forum didn't challenge me. This is between me and him not me and him and everybody else.
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October 29th, 2022 at 1:43:40 PM permalink
The challenge is between Evenbob , the winner, and The Wizard , to agree on the terms and conditions of the challenge and possibly the posting of the results.
There is NO " need to know " by any other parties. The results of the challenge may disclose limited information in addition to the fact that Evenbob won the challenge and proved his claim. Go Evenbob !!
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October 29th, 2022 at 2:28:54 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: Gandler



With all of the posting in this thread, you could have easily typed a quick paragraph outlining the challenge parameters and metrics (don't say you don't have time, because the thread history would counter that).
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Sure I could have but after the way I've been treated in this thread called every name in the book and told over and over and over that I'm lying what makes you think you deserve anything from me in the way of details. As far as The Wiz being involved he reads this thread and he sees that I posted a picture of all the private messages we exchanged why does he need to say anything else. He wants to say something he'll say something. He challenged me, the forum didn't challenge me. This is between me and him not me and him and everybody else.
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You weren't called every name in my book.

My book has a bunch of extra chapters.

But those chapters would get me a suspension
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October 29th, 2022 at 4:21:11 PM permalink
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How's the "challenge" coming along?
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I am avoiding this thread till the challenge is over.
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I thought I was pretty rubbish at staying away from threads, but I took Evenbob at his word when he said he was avoiding this thread.
Like others, who shall remain nameless, he just couldn't stay away.
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Sure I could have but after the way I've been treated in this thread called every name in the book and told over and over and over that I'm lying what makes you think you deserve anything from me in the way of details. ...
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Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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October 29th, 2022 at 6:06:18 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear


Like others, who shall remain nameless, he just couldn't stay away.



I'm going to explain this yet again for about the fifth time. I'm staying away from discussions about roulette until the challenge is over. I will look at the thread once in awhile to see how badly you people are are bad mouthing me but I'm not going to discuss roulette. For the most part I ignore 90% of the posts here, if you don't like what I'm doing here just block the thread. That's all you have to do and you never have to read it again think how wonderful your life will be. I know if I never have to read another one of these posts by you it would make me giddy with excitement.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 30th, 2022 at 2:52:33 AM permalink
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I'm going to explain this yet again for about the fifth time. I'm staying away from discussions about roulette until the challenge is over. I will look at the thread once in awhile to see how badly you people are are bad mouthing me but I'm not going to discuss roulette. For the most part I ignore 90% of the posts here, if you don't like what I'm doing here just block the thread. That's all you have to do and you never have to read it again think how wonderful your life will be. I know if I never have to read another one of these posts by you it would make me giddy with excitement.
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There goes EvenBob using numbers and percentages. The closest I've seen to him using Math to explain anything.
I'm going to take those numbers with a large pinch of salt. Nay. I'm going to check them for myself.
He claims a 90% 'ignore rate' for posts here, so just for 5h1t5 and giggles, I'm going to calculate the percentage that he's replied to. My guess is that it will be closer to 47.4% and I assume he only replies to the ones he reads.

I'm afraid that like an angler has to pay attention to his lines and floats, that EvenBob is doomed to have to continue to read more posts in this thread unless, he chooses to block the thread or the contributors to it.
Oh the irony if EvenBob blocked this thread. $:o) He can, of course, block me.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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October 30th, 2022 at 5:15:05 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: EvenBob Bolding is mine


I'm going to explain this yet again for about the fifth time. I'm staying away from discussions about roulette until the challenge is over. I will look at the thread once in awhile to see how badly you people are are bad mouthing me but I'm not going to discuss roulette. For the most part I ignore 90% of the posts here, if you don't like what I'm doing here just block the thread. That's all you have to do and you never have to read it again think how wonderful your life will be. I know if I never have to read another one of these posts by you it would make me giddy with excitement.
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There goes EvenBob using numbers and percentages. The closest I've seen to him using Math to explain anything.
I'm going to take those numbers with a large pinch of salt. Nay. I'm going to check them for myself.
He claims a 90% 'ignore rate' for posts here, so just for 5h1t5 and giggles, I'm going to calculate the percentage that he's replied to. My guess is that it will be closer to 47.4% and I assume he only replies to the ones he reads.

I'm afraid that like an angler has to pay attention to his lines and floats, that EvenBob is doomed to have to continue to read more posts in this thread unless, he chooses to block the thread or the contributors to it.
Oh the irony if EvenBob blocked this thread. $:o) He can, of course, block me.
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He has responded to 90% of the posts in this thread lol.

Maybe it's only in his head.

I see a pattern!
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October 30th, 2022 at 5:50:11 AM permalink
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Quote: OnceDear


He claims a 90% 'ignore rate' for posts here, so just for 5h1t5 and giggles, I'm going to calculate the percentage that he's replied to. My guess is that it will be closer to 47.4% and I assume he only replies to the ones he reads.

I'm afraid that like an angler has to pay attention to his lines and floats, that EvenBob is doomed to have to continue to read more posts in this thread unless, he chooses to block the thread or the contributors to it.
Oh the irony if EvenBob blocked this thread. $:o) He can, of course, block me.
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He has responded to 90% of the posts in this thread lol.

Maybe it's only in his head.

I see a pattern!
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I thought his response rate was greater than 10% ( derived by subtracting 90 from 100 )
Maybe he responds to 90% and ignores the other 90% a bit like that time he had three columns each with 50% probability.

a) I wonder when EB will announce that he has blocked me?
b) I wonder when EB will actually block me?
c) I wonder what 'a' is as a percentage of 'b'

I know 'when' doesn't fit with the calculation of a percentage
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October 31st, 2022 at 4:11:47 AM permalink
Here's how the challenge is going.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 31st, 2022 at 4:14:20 AM permalink
Later that day...

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 31st, 2022 at 9:42:41 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Sure I could have but after the way I've been treated in this thread called every name in the book and told over and over and over that I'm lying what makes you think you deserve anything from me in the way of details. As far as The Wiz being involved he reads this thread and he sees that I posted a picture of all the private messages we exchanged why does he need to say anything else. He wants to say something he'll say something. He challenged me, the forum didn't challenge me. This is between me and him not me and him and everybody else.
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Hey, if you don't like what we're doing here just block the thread. That's all you have to do and you never have to read it again; think how wonderful your life will be. I know if we never have to read another one of these posts by you it would make us all giddy with excitement.
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October 31st, 2022 at 3:44:18 PM permalink
Mutually agreed-upon statement about the Challenge from me and The Wizard.

"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

Feel free to make up any details that entertain you, because that's all you're getting for now. Whatever you come up with I can guarantee you it's not what's really happening.
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October 31st, 2022 at 3:59:08 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Mutually agreed-upon statement about the Challenge from me and The Wizard.

"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

Feel free to make up any details that entertain you, because that's all you're getting for now. Whatever you come up with I can guarantee you it's not what's really happening.
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"No meaningful challenge will occur"
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October 31st, 2022 at 4:26:05 PM permalink
A minor disagreement is easily resolved. I wouldn't call canceling an eagerly awaited challenge a minor disagreement.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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October 31st, 2022 at 4:48:00 PM permalink
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A minor disagreement is easily resolved. I wouldn't call canceling an eagerly awaited challenge a minor disagreement.
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I'm searching for the word 'cancel' in my statement I'm not seeing it. Could you point it out to me?
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October 31st, 2022 at 5:51:15 PM permalink
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"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

So he isn't counting fluffy the cat's guesses? Or are you now claiming they didn't count?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 31st, 2022 at 6:44:33 PM permalink
"We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge" IE was probably not winning 80% of each session and wanted to end early without having to publish the results or terms....

I would be shocked if the challenge ever resume, and since no official updates to the challenge have been published (or even official confirmation) I would guess part of the agreement was no discussion would occur until conclusion (which probably will not occur).

From a thread standpoint its brilliant, because it gives the veil of legitimacy, and will keep people interested in something that probably will not continue.
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October 31st, 2022 at 9:18:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: billryan

A minor disagreement is easily resolved. I wouldn't call canceling an eagerly awaited challenge a minor disagreement.
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I'm searching for the word 'cancel' in my statement I'm not seeing it. Could you point it out to me?
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You clearly stated ("feel free to make up any details") And that's what he did.
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October 31st, 2022 at 9:24:32 PM permalink
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"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

So he isn't counting fluffy the cat's guesses? Or are you now claiming they didn't count?
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I heard from a source Bob glues a tail and ears on his computer mouse places it on the floor eventually
one of his numerous cats will come by pounce on it there by placing a bet.
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November 1st, 2022 at 4:18:22 AM permalink
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I am now willing to answer questions about how I get an 80% hit rate...I will tell you what I do and what I look for to get an 80% hit rate.


Please tell me what you do. What do you look for to get an 80% hit rate? How do you get an 80% hit rate?

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Because I can see so many spins (~90) in such a short amount of time (~1 hour) this has raised my hit rate to 80%.


Are you willing to tell me how an increased number of spins in a fixed period of time allows you to raise your hit rate?

Quote: EvenBob

I have a monthly goal and I get to that goal by making one unit a session by playing one or two or three sessions a day.. With an 80% hit rate...


Are you willing to tell me your definition of 'hit rate'?
Quote: EvenBob

I discovered roulette completely by accident and playing it is not gambling for me because I know I'm going to win every single session.


Like you, I am not a gambler. I do like to learn. Thank you for your offer to tell me what you do. I accept.
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November 1st, 2022 at 8:15:04 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."
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Translation: "Wizard actually wanted to test my mathematically impossible claims, imagine the nerve of that guy!"
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November 1st, 2022 at 8:59:05 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

Quote: AxelWolf

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"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

So he isn't counting fluffy the cat's guesses? Or are you now claiming they didn't count?
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I heard from a source Bob glues a tail and ears on his computer mouse places it on the floor eventually
one of his numerous cats will come by pounce on it there by placing a bet.
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I can't find the post, perhaps it's in a different thread, but I predicted there was going to be some BS. Especially once this was all surrounded in a shroud of secrecy. He probably took that play out of MD's playbook. Swear Mike to secrecy and use that to your advantage where everything remains open to interpretation, thus giving you the ability to spin things your way.

It's a freeroll. If you achieve anything, claim victory, if things are going bad just sabotage the challenge or do whatever.

Bob is freerolling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 1st, 2022 at 9:16:41 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I can't find the post, perhaps it's in a different thread, but I predicted there was going to be some BS. Especially once this was all surrounded in a shroud of secrecy. He probably took that play out of MD's playbook. Swear Mike to secrecy and use that to your advantage where everything remains open to interpretation, thus giving you the ability to spin things your way.

It's a freeroll. If you achieve anything, claim victory, if things are going bad just sabotage the challenge or do whatever.

Bob is freerolling.
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Of course he is.
Quote: NOT A QUOTE

"Hey wizard, don't reveal anything about the challenge until I've proved that my method can beat roulette"



Quote: NOT A QUOTE

"Hey wizard, Observer this number of wagers before analysing my method, but exclude the losing wagers that I want you to exclude, because I always said that anything can happen"



EvenBob has said that he's not going to discuss the challenge in this thread. He's also not going to answer any questions about how he plays roulette.
What else is there? Cat pictures?

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There will be no meaningful challenge

Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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November 1st, 2022 at 9:40:17 AM permalink
Did anyone here expect a different outcome? Seriously, anyone?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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November 1st, 2022 at 9:42:01 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear


EvenBob has said that he's not going to discuss the challenge in this thread. He's also not going to answer any questions about how he plays roulette.
What else is there? Cat pictures?
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He's not going to talk about his method.

He's not going to provide any evidence or proof of his claims, nonsensical or otherwise.

He's not going to talk about any supposed challenges.

I think he just wants to keep it going because he likes the attention, and he likes that people are talking about him. It doesn't matter that most of us are making fun of his ridiculous claims; the only bad publicity is no publicity.

This thread should either be renamed to some kind of general "Roulette systems" thread, or just shut down altogether, because there hasn't been any meaningful discussion of anything here in god knows how long.
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November 1st, 2022 at 9:47:18 AM permalink
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Did anyone here expect a different outcome? Seriously, anyone?
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Nope, just getting some entertainment.
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November 1st, 2022 at 9:51:55 AM permalink
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I think he just wants to keep it going because he likes the attention, and he likes that people are talking about him. .
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"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal



I deduce that it's not just the attention that he enjoys, but the certain knowledge that other humans are wasting precious portions of their time on earth. He's watching us die, minute by wasted minute.
That he can waste some of wizard's life is a bonus to him. I dread to think how much he's spent observing the great nothingness that he calls 'a method'

What EvenBob might not realise is that every time he reads and responds here, we are watching him waste his life.

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Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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November 1st, 2022 at 10:04:04 AM permalink
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This thread should either be renamed to some kind of general "Roulette systems" thread, or just shut down altogether, because there hasn't been any meaningful discussion of anything here in god knows how long.
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Some of us are eagerly holding our tickets until the rain date.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 1st, 2022 at 10:04:24 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear


I deduce that it's not just the attention that he enjoys, but the certain knowledge that other humans are wasting precious portions of their time on earth. He's watching us die, minute by wasted minute.
That he can waste some of wizard's life is a bonus to him. I dread to think how much he's spent observing the great nothingness that he calls 'a method'
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Yeah, there's a word for people like that, but the last time I used it here to describe EB, I got a ban...LOL....
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November 1st, 2022 at 10:14:23 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

He's also not going to answer any questions about how he plays roulette.
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Yet...
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...I am now willing to answer questions about how I get an 80% hit rate...
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November 1st, 2022 at 10:56:20 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Quote: OnceDear


I deduce that it's not just the attention that he enjoys, but the certain knowledge that other humans are wasting precious portions of their time on earth. He's watching us die, minute by wasted minute.
That he can waste some of wizard's life is a bonus to him. I dread to think how much he's spent observing the great nothingness that he calls 'a method'
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Yeah, there's a word for people like that, but the last time I used it here to describe EB, I got a ban...LOL....
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Let's see if I get suspended for this

Quote: EvenBob's profile

Age: 60+
Occupation : Curmudgeon



Quote: Merriam-Webster


curmudgeon
noun

cur·​mud·​geon | \ (ˌ)kər-ˈmə-jən \
Definition of curmudgeon
1: a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man
2: archaic : MISER



Quote: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.


curmudgeon
kər-mŭj′ən
noun
An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.
An avaricious, churlish fellow; a miser; a niggard; a churl.
An avaricious, grasping fellow; a miser; a niggard; a churl.



I believe that the word curmudgeon could be seen as pejorative, which is why I'll point out that I disagree with that assertion by Evenbob. I don't find him to be "avaricious" or "grasping."
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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November 1st, 2022 at 8:00:37 PM permalink
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Later that day...


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I think that dealer may be altering the normal criteria of random selection which determines the outcome of the game.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 8:54:56 AM permalink
As we approach page 150 of what is surely one of the greatest trolling threads of all time, let's look at a few choice EB quotes regarding the house edge in Roulette....

EvenBob not only claims the house edge in Roulette is variable, but he has found a way to get an edge over the house, and he also knows exactly what that percentage is (to my knowledge, he has never revealed this number):

Quote: EvenBob

As soon as you stop betting randomly you can whittle away at the house edge until you're the one that has the edge if you are doing it correctly. But if your attitude is the house edge is written in stone you're screwed before you ever begin.
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Quote: EvenBob

You should be asking the casino if they can beat my edge because it is much larger than theirs.
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Quote: EvenBob

I don't estimate my edge, I know what it is exactly.
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This is all obviously B.S.; it is mathematically impossible to get an edge over the house in Roulette no matter what you do. We all know this. Everyone knows this. Even EB knows this. He even admits as much in some of his other posts. He even admits that there is an approximately 50% chance he will lose every bet he makes, completely contradicting his 80% hit rate claim.

Quote: EvenBob

Let me make something crystal clear for the umpteenth time because everybody keeps getting it wrong. The math surrounding roulette is 100% CORRECT. Every bit of it is correct.
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Quote: EvenBob

Results in roulette are always random 100% of the time.
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Quote: EvenBob

The math is 100% correct there is a 50% chance rounded off that I will be wrong on every bet.
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EB admits the math regarding Roulette is correct. The "math" regarding Roulette says it is impossible to beat the house in the long run. Therefore, reading between the lines, EB admits his "method" can't win in the long run. This is why this supposed challenge will never happen.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM permalink
"This is all obviously B.S.; it is mathematically impossible to get an edge over the house in Roulette no matter what you do."

Not impossible. A few roulette players have beaten the game by identifying biased wheels, timing the wheel (often with the help of technology which may be illegal), or using cheats like past-posting or chip sliding. Roulette may be more susceptible than other games to cheaters who move chips around since there can be dozens of individual bets out at once to distract and confuse the dealer. Cheating shouldn't be considered an advantage play though since the risk of being caught generally outweighs the reward. And these days most casinos take steps to make sure their wheels aren't biased. So it is very difficult to gain a genuine advantage in roulette.

Betting based on previous patterns or outcomes is useless unless they are somehow indicative of a wheel bias or dealer bias toward a section of numbers on the wheel itself. Betting on trends in red/black or even/odd is almost certainly useless since they are scattered throughout the wheel. But to the extent that previous outcomes convey any information at all about the ball's propensity to land somewhere in the future, the proper strategy would be to bet with the trend in the hope that it indicates something other than randomness is influencing the observed outcomes (maybe red is slightly favored over black due to tiny asymmetries in the average size, slope, or angle of the red pockets). The belief that numbers are somehow due to "wake up" because they have been cold for too long is just superstition.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 11:36:02 AM permalink
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Not impossible. A few roulette players have beaten the game by identifying biased wheels, timing the wheel (often with the help of technology which may be illegal), or using cheats like past-posting or chip sliding.
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Determining wheel bias and clocking the wheel (without using technology) is perfectly legal. Using any sort of technology, in the context of in a casino, to determine bias or clock the wheel, past posting, capping, any method that involves manipulating the chips on the table is 100% cheating and if caught will get you a tap on the shoulder at best and shiny new bracelets at the worst.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 1:59:15 PM permalink
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Not impossible. A few roulette players have beaten the game by identifying biased wheels, timing the wheel (often with the help of technology which may be illegal), or using cheats like past-posting or chip sliding.
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Determining wheel bias and clocking the wheel (without using technology) is perfectly legal. Using any sort of technology, in the context of in a casino, to determine bias or clock the wheel,

I'm not so sure that's the case in all jurisdictions. It's a moot point for me as I wouldn't attempt it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 3rd, 2022 at 3:40:51 AM permalink
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Not impossible. A few roulette players have beaten the game by identifying biased wheels, timing the wheel (often with the help of technology which may be illegal), or using cheats like past-posting or chip sliding.
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Determining wheel bias and clocking the wheel (without using technology) is perfectly legal. Using any sort of technology, in the context of in a casino, to determine bias or clock the wheel,

I'm not so sure that's the case in all jurisdictions. It's a moot point for me as I wouldn't attempt it.
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As far as I was aware, if the casino was using bad equipment (manufacture defect or poorly calibrated) or you were using only your brain to determine something, its allowed. Im sure there is someone out there who can clock a wheel by eye. It isn't me but im sure they are out there
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November 3rd, 2022 at 3:53:21 AM permalink
EvenBob?

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I am now willing to answer questions about how I get an 80% hit rate...I will tell you what I do and what I look for to get an 80% hit rate.


Please tell me what you do. What do you look for to get an 80% hit rate? How do you get an 80% hit rate?

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Because I can see so many spins (~90) in such a short amount of time (~1 hour) this has raised my hit rate to 80%.


Are you willing to tell me how an increased number of spins in a fixed period of time allows you to raise your hit rate?

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I have a monthly goal and I get to that goal by making one unit a session by playing one or two or three sessions a day.. With an 80% hit rate...


Are you willing to tell me your definition of 'hit rate'?
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I discovered roulette completely by accident and playing it is not gambling for me because I know I'm going to win every single session.


Like you, I am not a gambler. I do like to learn. Thank you for your offer to tell me what you do. I accept.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 4:20:47 AM permalink
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EvenBob?

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I am now willing to answer questions about how I get an 80% hit rate...I will tell you what I do and what I look for to get an 80% hit rate.


Please tell me what you do. What do you look for to get an 80% hit rate? How do you get an 80% hit rate?
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...

Don't you get it yet IndyJeffrey?
Evenbob Baits the hook, dips it into the lake, and then ignores it. Occasionally, he'll look in to watch his victims wiggle on the hook, but he seldom bothers to reel them in. Why waste his time when he can waste the time of his victims.
It's what he does.

I'll send you a useful link.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 6:38:22 AM permalink
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As we approach page 150 of what is surely one of the greatest trolling threads of all time, let's look at a few choice EB quotes regarding the house edge in Roulette....

EvenBob not only claims the house edge in Roulette is variable, but he has found a way to get an edge over the house, and he also knows exactly what that percentage is (to my knowledge, he has never revealed this number):

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As soon as you stop betting randomly you can whittle away at the house edge until you're the one that has the edge if you are doing it correctly. But if your attitude is the house edge is written in stone you're screwed before you ever begin.
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You should be asking the casino if they can beat my edge because it is much larger than theirs.
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I don't estimate my edge, I know what it is exactly.
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This is all obviously B.S.; it is mathematically impossible to get an edge over the house in Roulette no matter what you do. We all know this. Everyone knows this. Even EB knows this. He even admits as much in some of his other posts. He even admits that there is an approximately 50% chance he will lose every bet he makes, completely contradicting his 80% hit rate claim.

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Let me make something crystal clear for the umpteenth time because everybody keeps getting it wrong. The math surrounding roulette is 100% CORRECT. Every bit of it is correct.
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Results in roulette are always random 100% of the time.
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Quote: EvenBob

The math is 100% correct there is a 50% chance rounded off that I will be wrong on every bet.
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EB admits the math regarding Roulette is correct. The "math" regarding Roulette says it is impossible to beat the house in the long run. Therefore, reading between the lines, EB admits his "method" can't win in the long run. This is why this supposed challenge will never happen.
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Thank you for the synopsis thus far.

Lest we all forget (bold emphasis mine and quote truncated for relevance)...

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You could not be more wrong if you were forcibly trying to be wrong. It's very much a skill and one that you can improve on. I've been playing this for 18 years and I joined my first gambling Forum in 2006 and there are people here who remember that and they remember that I was saying then exactly what I'm saying now. This is nothing new for me. If this was some kind of long con as you seem to imply what am I getting out of it. Attention? You must be joking, I have 25000 posts here why would I need attention from something ridiculous like this. How is it that I know so much about roulette? I am the roulette expert on this forum, not the math expert, the game playing roulette expert.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 7:18:49 AM permalink
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Not impossible. A few roulette players have beaten the game by identifying biased wheels, timing the wheel (often with the help of technology which may be illegal), or using cheats like past-posting or chip sliding.
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Determining wheel bias and clocking the wheel (without using technology) is perfectly legal. Using any sort of technology, in the context of in a casino, to determine bias or clock the wheel,

I'm not so sure that's the case in all jurisdictions. It's a moot point for me as I wouldn't attempt it.
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As far as I was aware, if the casino was using bad equipment (manufacture defect or poorly calibrated) or you were using only your brain to determine something, its allowed. Im sure there is someone out there who can clock a wheel by eye. It isn't me but im sure they are out there
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After re-reading, I realize I didn't make what I was saying clear. I meant to say, there may be places that don't have clear laws prohibiting such things.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 3rd, 2022 at 7:22:27 AM permalink
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Later that day...


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I think that dealer may be altering the normal criteria of random selection which determines the outcome of the game.
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Looks fairly random to me. I'd book the action.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 16th, 2022 at 3:00:05 PM permalink
I stopped posting on this thread a few months ago (I think) as an offer to EB if he would be posting in the ‘What I ate’ thread. He has stopped posting there so I am back here!

EB has stated he is the middle of a challenge with the Wizard. But unless I missed it, I have not seen any confirmation from the Wizard that a challenge is actually going on.
I’d like an update from the Wizard. It can be as simple as, yes, a challenge is going on.
Or, no, as most expected, there is no challenge going on, or there was one, and EB has subsequently backed out.
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November 16th, 2022 at 3:08:24 PM permalink
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I stopped posting on this thread a few months ago (I think) as an offer to EB if he would be posting in the ‘What I ate’ thread. He has stopped posting there so I am back here!

EB has stated he is the middle of a challenge with the Wizard. But unless I missed it, I have not seen any confirmation from the Wizard that a challenge is actually going on.
I’d like an update from the Wizard. It can be as simple as, yes, a challenge is going on.
Or, no, as most expected, there is no challenge going on, or there was one, and EB has subsequently backed out.
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EB posted this on October 31 on page 147 of this thread:

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"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."

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November 16th, 2022 at 7:03:21 PM permalink
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I stopped posting on this thread a few months ago (I think) as an offer to EB if he would be posting in the ‘What I ate’ thread. He has stopped posting there so I am back here!

EB has stated he is the middle of a challenge with the Wizard. But unless I missed it, I have not seen any confirmation from the Wizard that a challenge is actually going on.
I’d like an update from the Wizard. It can be as simple as, yes, a challenge is going on.
Or, no, as most expected, there is no challenge going on, or there was one, and EB has subsequently backed out.
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EB posted this on October 31 on page 147 of this thread:

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"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."


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I read that. That’s why I asked my question!!! I have not seen (maybe I missed it?) any confirmation that there is actually a challenge going on. And if there was, why is it no longer going on? I wonder why?!?!?
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November 16th, 2022 at 7:29:19 PM permalink
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Quote: SOOPOO

I stopped posting on this thread a few months ago (I think) as an offer to EB if he would be posting in the ‘What I ate’ thread. He has stopped posting there so I am back here!

EB has stated he is the middle of a challenge with the Wizard. But unless I missed it, I have not seen any confirmation from the Wizard that a challenge is actually going on.
I’d like an update from the Wizard. It can be as simple as, yes, a challenge is going on.
Or, no, as most expected, there is no challenge going on, or there was one, and EB has subsequently backed out.
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EB posted this on October 31 on page 147 of this thread:

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"After the weekend the challenge between me and The Wizard is currently on hold. We had a minor disagreement on the terms of the challenge and further data collection will have to wait till a later date."


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Jokes galore.

Wizard wouldn't promise to keep his eyes closed during the challenge.

All his cats keep having hairball emergencies.

The sun rose unexpectedly in the morning.
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November 17th, 2022 at 2:13:01 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I stopped posting on this thread a few months ago (I think) as an offer to EB if he would be posting in the ‘What I ate’ thread. He has stopped posting there so I am back here!

EB has stated he is the middle of a challenge with the Wizard. But unless I missed it, I have not seen any confirmation from the Wizard that a challenge is actually going on.
I’d like an update from the Wizard. It can be as simple as, yes, a challenge is going on.
Or, no, as most expected, there is no challenge going on, or there was one, and EB has subsequently backed out.
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Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
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November 17th, 2022 at 9:33:43 AM permalink
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Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
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I don't know.... I think we need to keep this thread bumped as a reminder to system peddlers that they will be roundly mocked if they try to push any of that BS here.

I was also kind of hoping this nonsense would get to page 200, but I guess EB has stopped caring about his unbeatable Roulette system. Maybe the losses are starting to pile up.....
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November 17th, 2022 at 10:48:22 AM permalink
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Aw c'mon Soopoo.
You showed yourself to still be wiggling on EvenBob's hook. I bet his little eyes lit up when he saw his thread bumped. Collectvely, we were doing so well resisting the urge. We had stopped him winning.

Now that I fully understand his Method, I can restate with confidence...
No meaningful challenge will occur!
None. Nil. Zero
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I don't know.... I think we need to keep this thread bumped as a reminder to system peddlers that they will be roundly mocked if they try to push any of that BS here.

Maybe. But EB's method is something else.
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I was also kind of hoping this nonsense would get to page 200, but I guess EB has stopped caring about his unbeatable Roulette system.

That is part of the nature and raison d'etre of the method.
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Maybe the losses are starting to pile up.....
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It was never about the non-existent losses or profits of roulette.
He did the same walking away trick over on another forum where he touts his method. He departed that thread on Sept 27 in exactly the same way. Ask yourself why?
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November 17th, 2022 at 11:41:40 AM permalink
For security reasons, he can't be posting actual results. Do you blame him?
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