EvenBob
September 19th, 2022 at 8:56:00 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI don't do the eating threads anymore because I was driven away from them by the haters.
You aren't hated, EB: you are pitied.
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September 19th, 2022 at 9:16:02 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfPoker players and Card counters are making decisions AFTER the cards have been dealt and they have a significant amount of information.
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I am making decisions after the ball has been thrown many times and I have even virtually bet several times. I also have a significant amount of information. I don't see any differences at all. And yes I'm using them as comparisons because both poker and blackjack have random outcomes that have been overcome buy some players to give them an advantage. The fact that they are entirely different kinds of games makes my point even more valid. If there's a way to overcome the random outcomes in poker and blackjack there should be a way to have one overcome roulette and there is.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 9:22:51 PM
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I would assume it has been asked, I wish not to skim 66 pages. This works the same virtual or live?
September 19th, 2022 at 9:23:44 PM
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sQuote: AxelWolfDon't be silly. There are not enough pretty colors and fancy numbers to look at.Trying to be funny, yes and no,. I know that's why you believe you can beat roulette. You use the pretty colors and fancy numbers to look at in an attempt to detect patterns that you believe will help you guess what's more likely to come up next.
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I don't believe I can beat roulette, it's not a religion, it doesn't require my belief. I do beat It belief has nothing to do with anything. This is not something I worked out on paper on my kitchen table and I am hopeful. It's something I've been playing in casinos for 16 years. It's a huge part of my life, I have spent a tremendous amount of time on this in the last 16 years. You act like it's something I cooked up last week and don't really know if it works or not.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 9:24:50 PM
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Quote: rainmanI would assume it has been asked, I wish not to skim 66 pages. This works the same virtual or live?
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What do you mean by virtual. You mean on a computer operated roulette machine?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 9:25:45 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: rainmanI would assume it has been asked, I wish not to skim 66 pages. This works the same virtual or live?
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What do you mean by virtual. You mean on a computer operated roulette machine?
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Yes.
September 19th, 2022 at 9:25:57 PM
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Quote: rainmanI would assume it has been asked, I wish not to skim 66 pages. This works the same virtual or live?
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He has been saying it actually does NOT work virtually.
He has been doing it for 16 years (or 40+ years based on his other thread which he admits was a fib) in live B&M Casinos and now does it online at roulette with live dealers only.
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September 19th, 2022 at 9:55:13 PM
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"I am making decisions after the ball has been thrown many times" does that have anything to do with your decision making? Isn't your mind already made up based on the previous spin patterns? If so, I haven't a clue why you would mention that aspect, especially since I indicated...before the ball LANDING. Betting while the ball is moving or right before shouldn't matter unless someone is clocking the wheel. it's no difference between that and betting while the cards are being dealt in the air.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfPoker players and Card counters are making decisions AFTER the cards have been dealt and they have a significant amount of information.
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I am making decisions after the ball has been thrown many times and I have even virtually bet several times. I also have a significant amount of information. I don't see any differences at all. And yes I'm using them as comparisons because both poker and blackjack have random outcomes that have been overcome buy some players to give them an advantage. The fact that they are entirely different kinds of games makes my point even more valid. If there's a way to overcome the random outcomes in poker and blackjack there should be a way to have one overcome roulette and there is.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 10:06:59 PM
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"I am making decisions after the ball has been thrown many times" does that have anything to do with your decision making?Quote: AxelWolf
That's where the patterns come from from the ball being previously thrown. Beating blackjack beating poker and beating roulette all totally rely on past outcomes. Looking at the past outcomes and drawing certain conclusions.
Online you cannot bet after the ball is thrown not that it would make any difference.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM
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Going to an Evolution platform Casino and nothing is happening I bet 8 times virtually and lose seven of them. I move on to a Playtech platform Casino and the same thing is happening. I go over to the Visionary platform and exactly nothing to bet. This happens so often that a friend of mine on another Forum has dubbed this the Global Effect.. We don't know why it happens we only have theories. And the reverse is also true all three platforms will be having great results at the same time. Given the nature of random events this doesn't seem possible. It should be a mixture all the time of one or two are working and one is not or one is working and the others are not. It's kind of like the metronome effect where you get 30 metronomes going all at once and after a while they synchronize.. It's quite frustrating and I hate it. It's like they all move in and out of chaos at the same time, I have seen it go on for a couple of days.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 10:50:53 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
That's where the patterns come from from the ball being previously thrown. Beating blackjack beating poker and beating roulette all totally rely on past outcomes.
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I hope you bring this to the Wizards attention.
This seems like something Mike should be made aware of.
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September 19th, 2022 at 11:02:31 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: EvenBob
That's where the patterns come from from the ball being previously thrown. Beating blackjack beating poker and beating roulette all totally rely on past outcomes.
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I hope you bring this to the Wizards attention.
This seems like something Mike should be made aware of.
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It's the truth and everybody seems amazed by it. Amazed that two games with random outcomes have been beaten yet another game with random outcomes, roulette, can never be beaten. Of course it can. Both blackjack and poker were designed not to have flaws and to be a fair game for all the players everybody has an equal chance. Yet flaws were found and just because you believe there are no flaws in roulette that does not make it so. Please spare me that they are three different types of games, no they're not. They all rely on past outcomes that's why there is a marquee with the past numbers next to every roulette game. The casino puts it there because they think it's worthless but it's actually the opposite of worthless.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 11:18:56 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWu
You use pattern recognition in Roulette to place and win bets with 80% accuracy where mathematically the probability is only 47.37%.
Is that your claim or isn't it?
I knew you would get it wrong, LOL. The math number you are using was obtained from betting randomly against random outcomes. I don't do that I bet non randomly against random outcomes therefore my math is different is it not? The math calculations for roulette are not one-size-fits-all. They are very very specific, in order to get 47.37% you have to bet randomly. If you bet non randomly that number no longer applies. Why you people can't understand this is that you've got some kind of mental block. The best example of this is Blackjack. If you pay close enough attention to the random outcomes you may see a point were you can make non-random bets that are in your favor. Just because you know the math behind this does not mean that's not what's happening. Because that's exactly what's happening. And it's what I've learned how to do in roulette. Watch the outcomes and at just the right time make non random guesses as to the next outcome and I'm right 80% of the time. Why this is hard to understand is a total mystery to me because I don't think you're fooling, I truly think you do not understand this is what I do. And when Thorp wrote his book it truly was a world-shaking event. It changed the game of blackjack forever even though there were card counters before he wrote the book. He interviewed them for the book but they weren't very good and there wasn't that many of them and they had no idea why what they did worked. All Thorp did was prove the math with a computer. You cannot tell me that if it can be done in blackjack that it cannot be done in roulette. It's not the same process but it's entirely different game. It's because the random outcomes in blackjack and roulette are not truly random they are kind of sort of random. True random like you see at random.org I can't beat that. It's too random.
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This. All this is very very very very very very wrong. And nonsensical.
Also claiming 80% hit rate on even chances for years and thousands of wagers is so much enormously ludicrous (like the wizard have said it makes 18 yo's in a row look like a regular everyday occurrence probability wise compared to these claims in this thread here) that it reeks of either straight up lies and/or delusions or very poor memory and inability to calculate percentages. Or both.
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
September 19th, 2022 at 11:19:33 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozQuote: EvenBob
That's where the patterns come from from the ball being previously thrown. Beating blackjack beating poker and beating roulette all totally rely on past outcomes.
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I hope you bring this to the Wizards attention.
This seems like something Mike should be made aware of.
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It's the truth and everybody seems amazed by it. Amazed that two games with random outcomes have been beaten yet another game with random outcomes, roulette, can never be beaten. Of course it can. Both blackjack and poker were designed not to have flaws and to be a fair game for all the players everybody has an equal chance. Yet flaws were found and just because you believe there are no flaws in roulette that does not make it so. Please spare me that they are three different types of games, no they're not. They all rely on past outcomes that's why there is a marquee with the past numbers next to every roulette game. The casino puts it there because they think it's worthless but it's actually the opposite of worthless.
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OMG, if you would even ask yourself why the Casinos don't put marquees out for the past results of blackjack it's precisely because it CAN HELP card counters.
While Roulette has the marquees (just like Baccarat) because the past outcomes are worthless and they want fools to use worthless information.
Past results are as worthless as slot machines animation is to outcomes!
How can someone twelve years on a gambling forum be so misinformed?
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September 19th, 2022 at 11:36:38 PM
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Nope beating blackjack and poker have nothing to do with past outcomes from previous hands in the way you are suggesting. In blackjack, No hands would ever have to be played or seen by the player to beat it just so long as you knew the count was positive.
Past hands in poker only allow you to gather information about the other players and how they might play going forward. Beating poker has nothing to do with randomness. People beat poker regardless of it being dealt with an RNG or live dealers.
Past hands in poker only allow you to gather information about the other players and how they might play going forward. Beating poker has nothing to do with randomness. People beat poker regardless of it being dealt with an RNG or live dealers.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 11:38:16 PM
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Quote: rawtuff
This. All this is very very very very very very wrong. And nonsensical.
Also claiming 80% hit rate on even chances for years and thousands of wagers is so much enormously ludicrous (like the wizard have said it makes 18 yo's in a row look like a regular everyday occurrence probability wise compared to these claims in this thread here) that it reeks of either straight up lies and/or delusions or very poor memory and inability to calculate percentages. Or both.
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That's because you have the facts wrong. I've not been doing 80% on thousands of wagers for years I've only been doing it since about last October because live dealer roulette only became available in my state in September of 2021. In a brick-and-mortar casino I don't do anywhere close to 80% and I only do online because they show me 90 spins in an hour on multiple platforms. In a brick-and-mortar casino I'm lucky if I see 30 spins an hour. Try getting your facts straight before you jump to all kinds of wrong conclusions.
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September 19th, 2022 at 11:42:30 PM
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OMG, if you would even ask yourself why the Casinos don't put marquees out for the past results of blackjack it's precisely because it CAN HELP card counters.
While Roulette has the marquees (just like Baccarat) because the past outcomes are worthless and they want fools to use worthless information.
Past results are as worthless as slot machines animation is to outcomes!
How can someone twelve years on a gambling forum be so misinformed?
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The casino thinks the Marquis are worthless because they don't know any better. And it's interesting that you think past results are useless and yet you totally accept the fact that they use them to beat Holdem poker and blackjack. You don't make any sense. Are past results useless or are they not. Both Blackjack and poker 100% totally depend on past results for players to get the advantage. But oh no that can't be true for roulette, but you have no idea why.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 11:47:41 PM
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Either you don't have any clue how poker actually works, or you are trolling, or you are trying to muddy the waters. Using poker as an example is retarded(not calling you retarded, but your comparison absolutely is)Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozQuote: EvenBob
That's where the patterns come from from the ball being previously thrown. Beating blackjack beating poker and beating roulette all totally rely on past outcomes.
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I hope you bring this to the Wizards attention.
This seems like something Mike should be made aware of.
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It's the truth and everybody seems amazed by it. Amazed that two games with random outcomes have been beaten yet another game with random outcomes, roulette, can never be beaten. Of course it can. Both blackjack and poker were designed not to have flaws and to be a fair game for all the players everybody has an equal chance. Yet flaws were found and just because you believe there are no flaws in roulette that does not make it so. Please spare me that they are three different types of games, no they're not. They all rely on past outcomes that's why there is a marquee with the past numbers next to every roulette game. The casino puts it there because they think it's worthless but it's actually the opposite of worthless.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 11:56:29 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfNope beating blackjack and poker have nothing to do with past outcomes from previous hands in the way you are suggesting. In blackjack, No hands would ever have to be played or seen by the player to beat it just so long as you knew the count was positive.
Ddalt cards in Holdem poker only allow you to gather information about the other players and how they might play going forward. Beating poker has nothing to do with randomness. People beat poker regardless of it being dealt with an RNG or live dealers.
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How does a blackjack player get the count unless somebody was watching the outcomes. That's where the count comes from. Blackjack is totally dependent on past outcomes. The past outcomes in Holdem poker allow you to keep up with the math on the odds of what hands the other players might have. Without close observation of past outcomes in Holdem poker you're totally screwed because you have no idea what anybody has. I swear this is like trying to teach a college class to students who never went to high school. Every little thing has to be explained so they get it.
The past outcomes in roulette are used to formulate opinions on the next outcome sometimes. It does not always work but it doesn't always work in poker or Blackjack either. It's very hit-and-miss and if it was easy everybody would be doing it. I keep saying that there was a time when Blackjack was a rock solid unbeatable game in Las Vegas. The casino thought that it could not be beaten. In the old days they beat poker by being really good at reading the other players or by cheating. Cheating was huge in poker. With the modern way of playing there are thousands of people around the world who are excellent poker players because they know the proper way now to read the past outcomes. Just like I know how to read the past outcomes of roulette.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 12:02:58 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfEither you don't have any clue how poker actually works, or you are trolling, or you are trying to muddy the waters. Using poker as an example is retarded(not calling you retarded, but your comparison absolutely is)
In Holdem poker you keep track in your head of the mathematical probabilities of what the other players might have and what cards are left in the deck by paying attention to the past cards that have been dealt. What did you think they were doing, mind reading?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 12:13:03 AM
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This is like when someone insists a whale must be a fish because sharks and tuna also swim in the ocean and have fins.
Face palm!
Face palm!
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September 20th, 2022 at 1:26:02 AM
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Quote: EvenBobGoing to an Evolution platform Casino and nothing is happening I bet 8 times virtually and lose seven of them. I move on to a Playtech platform Casino and the same thing is happening. I go over to the Visionary platform and exactly nothing to bet. This happens so often that a friend of mine on another Forum has dubbed this the Global Effect.. We don't know why it happens we only have theories. And the reverse is also true all three platforms will be having great results at the same time. Given the nature of random events this doesn't seem possible. It should be a mixture all the time of one or two are working and one is not or one is working and the others are not. It's kind of like the metronome effect where you get 30 metronomes going all at once and after a while they synchronize.. It's quite frustrating and I hate it. It's like they all move in and out of chaos at the same time, I have seen it go on for a couple of days.
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Random data sets do not look like nice pretty alternating colors. There are clumps that look like patterns but are just random noise. Anyone trying to tell you different is either crazy or trying to sell you a roulette betting system. The synchronization effect of metronomes has nothing to do with random data sets so that is a non-sequitur
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September 20th, 2022 at 1:38:47 AM
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EvenBob
Please define what you mean by outcomes both as it relates to poker and blackjack separately.
Please define what you mean by outcomes both as it relates to poker and blackjack separately.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 20th, 2022 at 2:03:59 AM
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Please define what you mean by outcomes both as it relates to poker and blackjack separately.
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Cards dealt by the dealer and shown to all the players. This is what the players use these past outcomes in how to determine their next bet. These are random dealt from a random deck. No different than a random number gotten from a roulette wheel. Random Is Random and if you could show otherwise please do.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 2:05:50 AM
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Random data sets do not look like nice pretty alternating colors. There are clumps that look like patterns but are just random noise. Anyone trying to tell you different is either crazy or trying to sell you a roulette betting system. The synchronization effect of metronomes has nothing to do with random data sets so that is a non-sequitur
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Random noise is exploitable if you know how to do it. And I'm not selling anything nor am I crazy. Sorry to burst your bubble
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 2:11:34 AM
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Would you agree that if a -EV game of blackjack was being shuffled after each hand that it wouldn't be beatable in the long run by a card counter?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfEvenBob
Please define what you mean by outcomes both as it relates to poker and blackjack separately.
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Cards dealt by the dealer and shown to all the players. This is what the players use these past outcomes in how to determine their next bet. These are random dealt from a random deck. No different than a random number gotten from a roulette wheel. Random Is Random and if you could show otherwise please do.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 20th, 2022 at 2:26:01 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfWould you agree that if a -EV game of blackjack was being shuffled after each hand that it wouldn't be beatable in the long run by a card counter?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfEvenBob
Please define what you mean by outcomes both as it relates to poker and blackjack separately.
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Cards dealt by the dealer and shown to all the players. This is what the players use these past outcomes in how to determine their next bet. These are random dealt from a random deck. No different than a random number gotten from a roulette wheel. Random Is Random and if you could show otherwise please do.
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A critical question.
To understand if he is aware of his charade one just needs to watch how this question is pretty much avoided or sloughed off as not worth answering.
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September 20th, 2022 at 2:42:26 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfWould you agree that if a -EV game of blackjack was being shuffled after each hand that it wouldn't be beatable in the long run by a card counter?
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Apples and oranges. You are trying to compare the random outcomes in blackjack to the random outcomes in roulette. One does not apply to the other. There is an entirely different method applied in roulette then the method applied in blackjack. They do not match up and why should they. Are two entirely different games. Again you're missing the point. Random outcomes can be exploited if you know how to do it. They figured out how to do it HoldEm Poker and in blackjack and it most certainly can be done in roulette. Because I do it every freaking day.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 4:20:56 AM
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Please define what you mean by outcomes both as it relates to poker and blackjack separately.
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Cards dealt by the dealer and shown to all the players. This is what the players use these past outcomes in how to determine their next bet. These are random dealt from a random deck. No different than a random number gotten from a roulette wheel. Random Is Random and if you could show otherwise please do.
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But you can determine the remaining cards in the deck when playing Blackjack based on the hands played. Previous spins do not determine the following outcome on a roulette table in the same manner.
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September 20th, 2022 at 4:28:49 AM
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Please define what you mean by outcomes both as it relates to poker and blackjack separately.
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Cards dealt by the dealer and shown to all the players. This is what the players use these past outcomes in how to determine their next bet. These are random dealt from a random deck. No different than a random number gotten from a roulette wheel. Random Is Random and if you could show otherwise please do.
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But you can determine the remaining cards in the deck when playing Blackjack based on the hands played. Previous spins do not determine the following outcome on a roulette table in the same manner.
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You are talking to a guy who vehemently compares blackjack and poker to roulette, then vehemently claims any comparison is like apples and oranges.
Who says patterns are only in his head but real nonetheless, who says he uses a method but not a system, that he wagers but doesn't gamble, that he only wagers once... until the next time... because he has to wait for numbers to fall asleep.
The only logic is illogic,
Poor Lewis Carroll could not have written such extremes so well.
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September 20th, 2022 at 7:57:02 AM
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Your opinions here are mostly in one ear and out the other for me ......
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Boy, ain't that the truth.
P.S., I'm not posting my "opinions," I'm posting mathematical fact.
Quote: Ace2What I want to know about EvenBob is:
What did he eat today?
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Probably tater tots, since he seems oddly obsessed with them for some reason.
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You are talking to a guy who vehemently compares blackjack and poker to roulette, then vehemently claims any comparison is like apples and oranges.
Who says patterns are only in his head but real nonetheless, who says he uses a method but not a system, that he wagers but doesn't gamble, that he only wagers once... until the next time... because he has to wait for numbers to fall asleep.
The only logic is illogic,
Poor Lewis Carroll could not have written such extremes so well.
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"The house edge can't be beat, but I can beat the house edge."
"If I lose, I just keep betting until I win."
This thread is like a Bingo game of every terrible piece of gambling advice and B.S. system player trope all rolled into one....LOL
September 20th, 2022 at 8:25:07 AM
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Quote: EvenBob
Random noise is exploitable if you know how to do it.
No, its bad data.
Quote: EvenBobAnd I'm not selling anything nor am I crazy.
Could have fooled me with as vehemently as you are defending your "method".
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September 20th, 2022 at 8:42:05 AM
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Quote: EvenBob
They figured out how to do it in blackjack and it most certainly can be done in roulette.
winning at blackjack - counting cards - is nothing at all like what you're suggesting - you're way, way, way off the mark
I've spent hundreds of hours counting cards in a casino
this is what it is about - I'm talking about a very common shoe game - no special rules or side bets - no blackjack paying 6/5
the player has tracked the cards
he plays his hands in accordance with what is known as "basic strategy" and may make adjustments to this strategy based on the true count -
there are 15 more high cards then low cards left to be played - that is the running count
there are 3 decks remaining to be played
the true count is +5 - that is the running count divided by the decks remaining to be played
the player began the shoe with about a one half of one percent disadvantage
he gains about one half of one percent for every count of one surplus of high cards compared to low cards after dividing by the number of decks remaining to be played
the counter now has about a 2% advantage
he increases his bets proportionately in accordance with the true count as long as the true count is greater than about 1 or 1.5
the basis for all of this was figured out by Edward Thorp and other geniuses thru very complicated mathematical calculations
you mentioned Thorp (in a different post) - he wouldn't spend one half of a second considering as true what you claim - the only reaction he would have is laughter
it's nothing at all like "reading randomness" which the charlatan at gamblingforums.com claims as a winning method
you talk about Thorp and blackjack - based on your comments you know nothing at all about him or advantage play techniques at the game
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September 20th, 2022 at 8:55:09 AM
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the player has tracked the cards
there are 15 more high cards then low cards left to be played - that is the running count
there are 3 decks remaining to be played
the true count is +5
I admit I have not been counting long in a casino setting, but even in a home shoe I have never seen a +15 running count. I know it can happen, just not something that has happened for me.
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September 20th, 2022 at 8:57:55 AM
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Quote: AitchTheLetterQuote: lilredrooster
the player has tracked the cards
there are 15 more high cards then low cards left to be played - that is the running count
there are 3 decks remaining to be played
the true count is +5
I admit I have not been counting long in a casino setting, but even in a home shoe I have never seen a +15 running count. I know it can happen, just not something that has happened for me.
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I used to play in Atlantic City - the 8 deck shoe
it was not very uncommon
I haven't played in a long time - I'm pretty sure in the Vegas game which most here talk about they are playing with fewer decks - and they often look for double deck games - that may explain what to you seems like a stretch
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 20th, 2022 at 9:21:05 AM
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But you can determine the remaining cards in the deck when playing Blackjack based on the hands played. Previous spins do not determine the following outcome on a roulette table in the same manner.
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So what, it's a totally different game. It cannot be overcome the same way card games are but it can be overcome. The point I keep trying to make over and over and over is that random outcomes can be gotten around if you know how to do it. No wonder none of you people can do it all you see is black and white. Thinking outside the box seems to be completely foreign to all of you.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 9:32:43 AM
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They figured out how to do it in blackjack and it most certainly can be done in roulette.
winning at blackjack - counting cards - is nothing at all like what you're suggesting - you're way, way, way off the mark
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Where did I say it's the same. Again my point is totally missed here. Of course you can't use the same method of beating blackjack in beating roulette, how would that be even remotely possible. The method for beating roulette is totally different than the method for beating poker or blackjack. The POINT is all these games have in common that they use random outcomes. Why is it that you can get around random outcomes in poker and blackjack but it's impossible to do in roulette. It's not impossible because I do it every day and have been doing it for 16 years, it's not that difficult. You have to explain everything around here in excruciating detail or 80% of you will misread it every time. It's only a matter of time before somebody figures out how to program this and everybody will be playing this way just like everybody was counting cards in blackjack wants once Thorpe figured out how to do it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 9:36:28 AM
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But you can determine the remaining cards in the deck when playing Blackjack based on the hands played. Previous spins do not determine the following outcome on a roulette table in the same manner.
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So what, it's a totally different game. It cannot be overcome the same way card games are but it can be overcome. The point I keep trying to make over and over and over is that random outcomes can be gotten around if you know how to do it. No wonder none of you people can do it all you see is black and white. Thinking outside the box seems to be completely foreign to all of you.
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Another day in EB's Roulette thread, another post full of lies and vague insults.
September 20th, 2022 at 9:42:01 AM
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Why is it that you can get around random outcomes in blackjack but it's impossible to do in roulette.
the answer is so very very simple
you refuse to acknowledge it - I don't think anybody cares anymore about what the reason is
in tracking cards in blackjack the future is influenced by the past - there are less or more of key cards remaining to be played
in roulette the future is not influenced by the past -
over and over you keep claiming the future is dependent upon the past
no one even cares anymore why you think it's true -
you seem to think if you keep repeating the same thing over and over you can make it be true -
but you can't - and you won't ever convince anybody who has the tiniest bit of common sense
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 20th, 2022 at 9:46:35 AM
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They figured out how to do it in blackjack and it most certainly can be done in roulette.
winning at blackjack - counting cards - is nothing at all like what you're suggesting - you're way, way, way off the mark
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Where did I say it's the same. Again my point is totally missed here. Of course you can't use the same method of beating blackjack in beating roulette, how would that be even remotely possible. The method for beating roulette is totally different than the method for beating poker or blackjack. The POINT is all these games have in common that they use random outcomes. Why is it that you can get around random outcomes in poker and blackjack but it's impossible to do in roulette. It's not impossible because I do it every day and have been doing it for 16 years, it's not that difficult. You have to explain everything around here in excruciating detail or 80% of you will misread it every time. It's only a matter of time before somebody figures out how to program this and everybody will be playing this way just like everybody was counting cards in blackjack wants once Thorpe figured out how to do it.
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The answer why there is so damn simple.
The Roulette ball is not made up of 52 individual components which can be removed to change it's composition on future spins.
It's the same ball each and every time.
The randomness you refer to being beaten at Blackjack CANNOT OCCUR if the decks are shuffled after every spin (thereby returning them to completely the same composition).
That's why some Casinos use automated shuffling machines.
The Roulette ball for all intents and purposes is automatically shuffled after every spin. It's always the same composition. It's always a solid plastic ball.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 20th, 2022 at 9:48:35 AM
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Another day in EB's Roulette thread, another post full of lies and vague insults.
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If you think I have nothing better to do than come here and lie you don't know me at all. This is a completely serious subject for me it's a huge part of my life and what's to be gained by lying about it. You don't understand it so the first thing your mind jumps to is it's a lie. I wish I could explain the feeling I get when I log into an online casino and see the roulette wheel in front of me. I feel totally at home, I feel like in this space I have total control of what's going on. I feel like I'm dealing with a friend because roulette makes me money and that's how you feel about things you're good at making money at. I used to feel the same way when I went to auctions 30 years ago when I was in the antique and collectible business. I was in total control there and I made a ton of money doing it and when I was at an auction I always felt like I was in a friendly place even though it was very competitive and could be quite hostile.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 9:57:00 AM
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in roulette the future is not influenced by the past -
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But you can get clues from the past outcomes as to what might happen in the immediate future. Not all the time but often enough. Chaos is not dependable, it changes from total chaos to semi chaos and when it's semi chaotic it can be exploited. Because there are only 36 numbers it's forced to repeat itself and it's forced to go in the same directions over and over and over and when you become familiar with those directions you can make an accurate guess as to what the next outcome might be. I was doing this the very first time I discovered roulette, I was winning betting virtually in my head. And I thought naively this must be how everybody wins at roulette. I thought how foolish of the casino to keep these wonderful Marquis right here so we can take advantage of them. That was in 2004 and I remember that day exactly as it happened because it changed my life.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 10:04:06 AM
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They figured out how to do it in blackjack and it most certainly can be done in roulette.
winning at blackjack - counting cards - is nothing at all like what you're suggesting - you're way, way, way off the mark
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Where did I say it's the same. Again my point is totally missed here. Of course you can't use the same method of beating blackjack in beating roulette, how would that be even remotely possible. The method for beating roulette is totally different than the method for beating poker or blackjack. The POINT is all these games have in common that they use random outcomes. Why is it that you can get around random outcomes in poker and blackjack but it's impossible to do in roulette. It's not impossible because I do it every day and have been doing it for 16 years, it's not that difficult. You have to explain everything around here in excruciating detail or 80% of you will misread it every time. It's only a matter of time before somebody figures out how to program this and everybody will be playing this way just like everybody was counting cards in blackjack wants once Thorpe figured out how to do it.
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The answer why there is so damn simple.
The Roulette ball is not made up of 52 individual components which can be removed to change it's composition on future spins.
It's the same ball each and every time.
The randomness you refer to being beaten at Blackjack CANNOT OCCUR if the decks are shuffled after every spin (thereby returning them to completely the same composition).
That's why some Casinos use automated shuffling machines.
The Roulette ball for all intents and purposes is automatically shuffled after every spin. It's always the same composition. It's always a solid plastic ball.
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Roulette resets itself after every spin and that's its weakness that's how it can be beat. The next spin is in no way connected to the last spin so it produces what appears to be patterns that can only be done by random events. And they are very dependable, at certain times they always act in the same way a good percentage of the time. You just have to become familiar with when those times are. Last night when I tried to play all three platforms were producing nothing but chaos and I saw no bets to make but I didn't care it means I didn't risk any money. Knowing when not to bet in any casino game is a huge part of winning. I'm in total control of the game when I'm playing roulette and you can have no idea what that feels like.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 10:07:50 AM
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But you can get clues from the past outcomes as to what might happen in the immediate future.
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No you can't. Not in Roulette. The wheel and the ball don't care what the past outcomes were.
There is literally just no simpler way to explain this to you. Why you can't wrap your head around it is a mystery. I mean, I have my suspicions as to why you're not understanding, but I would probably get banned for saying it.
September 20th, 2022 at 10:44:11 AM
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But you can get clues from the past outcomes as to what might happen in the immediate future.
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No you can't. Not in Roulette. The wheel and the ball don't care what the past outcomes were.
There is literally just no simpler way to explain this to you. Why you can't wrap your head around it is a mystery. I mean, I have my suspicions as to why you're not understanding, but I would probably get banned for saying it.
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Not only can I do it but I do it everyday, duh. It pays all my bills, duh. How much do you think it matters to me that you don't believe it. Can you comprehend the number zero? As long as the casino keeps paying me for proving it to them guess what I'm going to do. I'll be doing it later this afternoon because it's raining today I can't work outside and when I play I'm going to think about you and I'm going to laugh. Seriously, I'm going to do that. LOL I'm not in a good mood today can you tell? This rain has totally screwed up my plans for today and everyday lost in late September is a day you don't want lost if you live in Michigan.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 11:12:01 AM
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Not only can I do it but I do it everyday, duh. It pays all my bills, duh. How much do you think it matters to me that you don't believe it.
It apparently matters to you quite a bit since you created an entire thread about this, have been actively involved with it for 70 pages now, and have responded specifically to many of my posts. It is clear that you want the attention.
Quote:Can you comprehend the number zero?
Yes.
Quote:As long as the casino keeps paying me for proving it to them guess what I'm going to do. I'll be doing it later this afternoon because it's raining today I can't work outside and when I play I'm going to think about you and I'm going to laugh. Seriously, I'm going to do that
You're going to think of me, personally, while you enjoy your free time? That's.... actually kind of creepy. And sad.
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September 20th, 2022 at 11:17:43 AM
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Not only can I do it but I do it everyday, duh. It pays all my bills, duh. How much do you think it matters to me that you don't believe it.
It apparently matters to you quite a bit since you created an entire thread about this, have been actively involved with it for 70 pages now, and have responded specifically to many of my posts. It is clear that you want the attention.Quote:Can you comprehend the number zero?
Yes.Quote:As long as the casino keeps paying me for proving it to them guess what I'm going to do. I'll be doing it later this afternoon because it's raining today I can't work outside and when I play I'm going to think about you and I'm going to laugh. Seriously, I'm going to do that
You're going to think of me, personally, while you enjoy your free time? That's.... actually kind of creepy. And sad.
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Sad for you obviously, not sad for me at all. Exhilarating is a better word because there's nothing better been doing something other people say you can't do. Try it sometime.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 20th, 2022 at 11:20:05 AM
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Quote: EvenBobSad for you obviously, not sad for me at all. Exhilarating is a better word because there's nothing better been doing something other people say you can't do. Try it sometime.
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Please get some help.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:31:55 AM
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I think if I go to Hell after I die, I'll find that Hell is EvenBob and TigerWu arguing for all eternity.
I declared I would moderate this thread and so I'm stuck with it but my brain is now turning to jelly reading this endlessly looping argument.
I declared I would moderate this thread and so I'm stuck with it but my brain is now turning to jelly reading this endlessly looping argument.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:40:55 AM
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Quote: gordonm888I think if I go to Hell after I die, I'll find that Hell is EvenBob and TigerWu arguing for all eternity.
I declared I would moderate this thread and so I'm stuck with it but my brain is now turning to jelly reading this endlessly looping argument.
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It seems we are all to be punished now.
The time has come to read the following fable. It's so pertinent to this thread.
https://darrylspeaks.com/what-a-donkey-tiger-and-lion-can-teach-us-about-letting-things-go/
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
