EvenBob
September 19th, 2022 at 3:31:42 AM
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why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
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Probably because I have a high hit rate and my session consists of winning one unit. Do you know anybody else that does that cuz I don't. On other forums where I talked about this I get constant grief that my session is only one unit long. People tell me I'm crazy I'm insane why would you do that because nobody else does it. People sit down and play and play and play and the thought of walking away after one unit is totally foreign to them. If I started playing for more than one unit I guarantee you there will be sessions that I would lose sometimes because the outcomes would stop playing my game and I would have to stop betting. Isn't there a statistic that says something like 60% of the people in a casino are ahead at least one time during every visit? How many of those people do you think quit when they are ahead. Because that's what I do when I'm ahead by just one unit I quit. If 60% of the people in the casino can do it randomly how hard do you think it is to do it on purpose like I do. Not that hard. I know I've seen my own wife many many times be ahead playing the slots maybe 15 or 20 minutes after we get there and will she leave? You must be joking it would never even occur to her to leave and I couldn't drag her out of there if I tried.
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well then, considering everything based on what you have stated - the reason being that you are only aiming to win one unit - this would mean that------
you very well may be the only roulette player in the entire world who wins every single session
would you agree_______________?
that's something that would make a great news story - even for the New York Times -
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 19th, 2022 at 4:14:57 AM
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EB - this will be my last post in this thread
I would like to ask you this:
why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
why only you - nobody else - or if there is somebody else link it please so I can see it
because I've never seen it before
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I have a betting system that works 100% of the time. I bet you post again in this thread in spite of you saying ‘this will be my last post in this thread’!!!!!
September 19th, 2022 at 4:15:42 AM
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster_
why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
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Probably because I have a high hit rate and my session consists of winning one unit. Do you know anybody else that does that cuz I don't. On other forums where I talked about this I get constant grief that my session is only one unit long. People tell me I'm crazy I'm insane why would you do that because nobody else does it. People sit down and play and play and play and the thought of walking away after one unit is totally foreign to them. If I started playing for more than one unit I guarantee you there will be sessions that I would lose sometimes because the outcomes would stop playing my game and I would have to stop betting. Isn't there a statistic that says something like 60% of the people in a casino are ahead at least one time during every visit? How many of those people do you think quit when they are ahead. Because that's what I do when I'm ahead by just one unit I quit. If 60% of the people in the casino can do it randomly how hard do you think it is to do it on purpose like I do. Not that hard. I know I've seen my own wife many many times be ahead playing the slots maybe 15 or 20 minutes after we get there and will she leave? You must be joking it would never even occur to her to leave and I couldn't drag her out of there if I tried.
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well then, considering everything based on what you have stated - the reason being that you are only aiming to win one unit - this would mean that------
you very well may be the only roulette player in the entire world who wins every single session
would you agree_______________?
that's something that would make a great news story - even for the New York Times -
.
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My betting system comes through again!
September 19th, 2022 at 7:22:19 AM
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Given your ability to detect the difference between PRNG and Live games + your extraordinary pattern detection + 80% accurate guessing rate. One should be able to detect patterns in PRNGs (That's actually a thing using computers)Quote: EvenBob
Do you think with some more investigation/practice you could also detect patterns and future outcomes on PRNG's?
Certainly, if you can tell the difference, that should indicate there's somthing to be exploited.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 7:59:51 AM
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There have been no instances of malicious misquoting on this thread! That is a ruling, not just an opinion.
So, you are free to stop arguing about that issue.
So, you are free to stop arguing about that issue.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 19th, 2022 at 8:13:56 AM
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If there were to come a challenge, how many hands / sessions would be required to prove your method.
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Wizard challenged him halfway through page 1 and he refused.
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I am not a gambler so I don't have the gamblers attitude of betting just for the sake of betting.
Plays Roulette several times a day for years on end....
"I am not a gambler...."
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you very well may be the only roulette player in the entire world who wins every single session
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Not only does he claim to win every single session, he claims a consistent hit rate of 80% on a bet with a 47% probability.
September 19th, 2022 at 8:32:52 AM
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Since EB claims he has been doing this system since 2006, AND that he has tried a few times to prove to people it works but they just claim it was luck...
The next question is why didn't he take up the Wizards challenge and/or Michael Bluejays challenge made available well over the last dozen years?
The rules were such that he could have done live wagering I believe it was for 30 days to prove it wasn't luck and EB could have not only become famous winning the challenge but made thousands for winning it
No one will believe he has been such a long time member here and wasn't aware of it.
Of course if I made claims I couldn't prove because they were false, I also wouldn't take up the challenge.
The next question is why didn't he take up the Wizards challenge and/or Michael Bluejays challenge made available well over the last dozen years?
The rules were such that he could have done live wagering I believe it was for 30 days to prove it wasn't luck and EB could have not only become famous winning the challenge but made thousands for winning it
No one will believe he has been such a long time member here and wasn't aware of it.
Of course if I made claims I couldn't prove because they were false, I also wouldn't take up the challenge.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 19th, 2022 at 9:49:56 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: lilredroosterQuote: EvenBobQuote: lilredrooster_
why do you think it is that you are the only person (at least that I have ever come across and I read several gambling forums daily) that has claimed that they win every single session
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Probably because I have a high hit rate and my session consists of winning one unit. Do you know anybody else that does that cuz I don't. On other forums where I talked about this I get constant grief that my session is only one unit long. People tell me I'm crazy I'm insane why would you do that because nobody else does it. People sit down and play and play and play and the thought of walking away after one unit is totally foreign to them. If I started playing for more than one unit I guarantee you there will be sessions that I would lose sometimes because the outcomes would stop playing my game and I would have to stop betting. Isn't there a statistic that says something like 60% of the people in a casino are ahead at least one time during every visit? How many of those people do you think quit when they are ahead. Because that's what I do when I'm ahead by just one unit I quit. If 60% of the people in the casino can do it randomly how hard do you think it is to do it on purpose like I do. Not that hard. I know I've seen my own wife many many times be ahead playing the slots maybe 15 or 20 minutes after we get there and will she leave? You must be joking it would never even occur to her to leave and I couldn't drag her out of there if I tried.
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well then, considering everything based on what you have stated - the reason being that you are only aiming to win one unit - this would mean that------
you very well may be the only roulette player in the entire world who wins every single session
would you agree_______________?
that's something that would make a great news story - even for the New York Times -
.
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My betting system comes through again!
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Wait, that's illegal.
Don't beat yourself up over past mistakes, you are going to f*** up again in the future, quite possibly in the most spectacular fashion, why worry about yesterday's f*** up's when you have tomorrow's f*** up's to look forward to?
You are a f*** up, and f***** up is part of your growth process, embrace the process.
September 19th, 2022 at 9:51:12 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfGiven your ability to detect the difference between PRNG and Live games + your extraordinary pattern detection + 80% accurate guessing rate. One should be able to detect patterns in PRNGs (That's actually a thing using computers)Quote: EvenBob
Do you think with some more investigation/practice you could also detect patterns and future outcomes on PRNG's?
Certainly, if you can tell the difference, that should indicate there's somthing to be exploited.
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Of course there are patterns in RNG'S but like I've said many times they are undependable and do not act the same as live dealer. The random it's just slightly different, different enough that I do not do as well with them. I am not the first person to say this lots of regular roulette players don't like to play with computer-generated outcomes.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 10:05:09 AM
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Interesting. Perhaps the reason things don’t turn out as well with an RNG is because RNG games are found on computer supported forums that track 100% of a person’s play, whereas at the tables a player’s true win/loss tally is prone to all kinds of inaccuracies.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfGiven your ability to detect the difference between PRNG and Live games + your extraordinary pattern detection + 80% accurate guessing rate. One should be able to detect patterns in PRNGs (That's actually a thing using computers)Quote: EvenBob
Do you think with some more investigation/practice you could also detect patterns and future outcomes on PRNG's?
Certainly, if you can tell the difference, that should indicate there's somthing to be exploited.
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Of course there are patterns in RNG'S but like I've said many times they are undependable and do not act the same as live dealer. The random it's just slightly different, different enough that I do not do as well with them. I am not the first person to say this lots of regular roulette players don't like to play with computer-generated outcomes.link to original post
September 19th, 2022 at 10:10:24 AM
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Quote: EvenBobI am not the first person to say this lots of regular roulette players don't like to play with computer-generated outcomes.
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Ah! If only they had your unbeatable online Roulette system.
You should type it up and start selling it (on fora other than this one, of course).
With your guaranteed, proven results it would probably sell like hotcakes.
September 19th, 2022 at 10:19:35 AM
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you very well may be the only roulette player in the entire world who wins every single session
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I seriously doubt it when you consider that at any given time 60% of the people who go to a casino betting randomly are ahead by at least one unit during their visit there. If that statistic is true how hard can it be to win one unit sessions betting non randomly like I do. Everybody seems fixated on my ability to win every session when to me it makes perfect sense. I only bet under very specific conditions and I don't do it very often and it's only one unit, it's only one win. Not being a gambler it makes no sense to me to play if I'm not going to win. It's like going to work and not knowing if you're going to get paid or not. That's my mindset about gambling. If I don't get paid I don't want to play and see no point in it. So I whittled my game down to where it is now, very efficient. Most of my wife's family which is huge would never dream of going into a casino and betting $1 on anything because they are non-gamblers they do not understand the mindset of risking money.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 10:23:49 AM
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What is the dollar range of your units?
September 19th, 2022 at 10:24:01 AM
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Quote: UP84Interesting. Perhaps the reason things don’t turn out as well with an RNG is because RNG games are found on computer supported forums that track 100% of a person’s play, whereas at the tables a player’s true win/loss tally is prone to all kinds of inaccuracies.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfGiven your ability to detect the difference between PRNG and Live games + your extraordinary pattern detection + 80% accurate guessing rate. One should be able to detect patterns in PRNGs (That's actually a thing using computers)Quote: EvenBob
Do you think with some more investigation/practice you could also detect patterns and future outcomes on PRNG's?
Certainly, if you can tell the difference, that should indicate there's somthing to be exploited.
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Of course there are patterns in RNG'S but like I've said many times they are undependable and do not act the same as live dealer. The random it's just slightly different, different enough that I do not do as well with them. I am not the first person to say this lots of regular roulette players don't like to play with computer-generated outcomes.link to original post
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I don't play RNG outcomes because they seem to be too random and the results from a live wheel are kind of sort of random. For instance the outcomes from random.org are 100% true random and I can't play them very effectively because they're too random. All random is not the same.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 12:59:40 PM
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Quote: TigerWuWhat is the dollar range of your units?
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I never discuss dollar amounts because it's just not worth the grief. No matter what I post somebody will say you're not betting that much and somebody else would say that's it that's all you bet? It's best just to talk in terms of units and not dollars.
10 years ago I was testing an airball roulette machine because I didn't trust it so I was betting the minimum amount of $0.50 just to see what was what. A regular member, someone who has been banned from here, latched on to that and has never let it go. To this day he will chime in frequently and say all I bet is 50 Cent's on every game I play when he knows what the truth is. And I constantly explain it and it doesn't affect him he just keeps doing it. So yeah I never talk about dollar amounts anymore.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 1:06:10 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuWhat is the dollar range of your units?
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I never discuss dollar amounts because it's just not worth the grief. No matter what I post somebody will say you're not betting that much and somebody else would say that's it that's all you bet? It's best just to talk in terms of units and not dollars.
10 years ago I was testing an airball roulette machine because I didn't trust it so I was betting the minimum amount of $0.50 just to see what was what. A regular member, someone who has been banned from here, latched on to that and has never let it go. To this day he will chime in frequently and say all I bet is 50 Cent's on every game I play when he knows what the truth is. And I constantly explain it and it doesn't affect him he just keeps doing it. So yeah I never talk about dollar amounts anymore.
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More excuses.
*yawn*
September 19th, 2022 at 1:14:10 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobQuote: TigerWuWhat is the dollar range of your units?
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I never discuss dollar amounts because it's just not worth the grief. No matter what I post somebody will say you're not betting that much and somebody else would say that's it that's all you bet? It's best just to talk in terms of units and not dollars.
10 years ago I was testing an airball roulette machine because I didn't trust it so I was betting the minimum amount of $0.50 just to see what was what. A regular member, someone who has been banned from here, latched on to that and has never let it go. To this day he will chime in frequently and say all I bet is 50 Cent's on every game I play when he knows what the truth is. And I constantly explain it and it doesn't affect him he just keeps doing it. So yeah I never talk about dollar amounts anymore.
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More excuses.
*yawn*
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If you don't like my answers don't post here. I ignore half of your posts anyway cuz it just repetitive nonsense. You think if you keep saying the same things over and over that makes it true. I'm sure you think you're clever and unique but everything you've said to me I've heard literally hundreds of times since 2006. And I just turn it out.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 1:29:07 PM
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......I ignore half of your posts anyway cuz it just repetitive nonsense. You think if you keep saying the same things over and over that makes it true. .....
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It is true. The house edge on Roulette can not be overcome. Prove me wrong and I'll give you $10,000.
September 19th, 2022 at 1:39:14 PM
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Quote: EvenBobYou think if you keep saying the same things over and over that makes it true.
Talking to yourself about yourself again, are ya?
"What, me worry?"
September 19th, 2022 at 1:42:10 PM
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Quote: MrVQuote: EvenBobYou think if you keep saying the same things over and over that makes it true.
Talking to yourself about yourself again, are ya?
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One of the many EB posts that is just....
September 19th, 2022 at 1:42:16 PM
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You're thinking too small. I know EvenBob Ignored my post related to this.Quote: TigerWuQuote: EvenBobI am not the first person to say this lots of regular roulette players don't like to play with computer-generated outcomes.
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Ah! If only they had your unbeatable online Roulette system.
You should type it up and start selling it (on fora other than this one, of course).
With your guaranteed, proven results it would probably sell like hotcakes.
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If someone could do what EB is claiming he can do, it would be an extraordinary world discovery with applications way beyond gambling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 1:59:00 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou're thinking too small. I know EvenBob Ignored my post related to this.
If someone could do what EB is claiming he can do, it would be an extraordinary world discovery with applications way beyond gambling.
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I agree.
At the very least he should be one of the richest men in the U.S. right now, if not the world, but instead he has been using this unbeatable Roulette system since 2006 with no discernable benefit to him or anyone else, except for maybe some extra cat food money for his cats.
Just thinking about it logically, his claims are full of holes, and that's before we even get into the math of why what he's claiming is impossible.
September 19th, 2022 at 2:04:00 PM
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If someone could do what EB is claiming he can do, it would be an extraordinary world discovery with applications way beyond gambling.
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You don't even know what I do so this is meaningless. Go ahead tell me what tell me what I do and I'll let you know if you're right or not. You can't do it. Making non-random bets against random outcomes is hardly world-shaking news.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 2:15:08 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
If someone could do what EB is claiming he can do, it would be an extraordinary world discovery with applications way beyond gambling.
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You don't even know what I do so this is meaningless. Go ahead tell me what tell me what I do and I'll let you know if you're right or not. You can't do it. Making non-random bets against random outcomes is hardly world-shaking news.
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You use pattern recognition in Roulette to place and win bets with 80% accuracy where mathematically the probability is only 47.37%.
Is that your claim or isn't it?
September 19th, 2022 at 2:57:02 PM
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You use pattern recognition in Roulette to place and win bets with 80% accuracy where mathematically the probability is only 47.37%.
Is that your claim or isn't it?
I knew you would get it wrong, LOL. The math number you are using was obtained from betting randomly against random outcomes. I don't do that I bet non randomly against random outcomes therefore my math is different is it not? The math calculations for roulette are not one-size-fits-all. They are very very specific, in order to get 47.37% you have to bet randomly. If you bet non randomly that number no longer applies. Why you people can't understand this is that you've got some kind of mental block. The best example of this is Blackjack. If you pay close enough attention to the random outcomes you may see a point were you can make non-random bets that are in your favor. Just because you know the math behind this does not mean that's not what's happening. Because that's exactly what's happening. And it's what I've learned how to do in roulette. Watch the outcomes and at just the right time make non random guesses as to the next outcome and I'm right 80% of the time. Why this is hard to understand is a total mystery to me because I don't think you're fooling, I truly think you do not understand this is what I do. And when Thorp wrote his book it truly was a world-shaking event. It changed the game of blackjack forever even though there were card counters before he wrote the book. He interviewed them for the book but they weren't very good and there wasn't that many of them and they had no idea why what they did worked. All Thorp did was prove the math with a computer. You cannot tell me that if it can be done in blackjack that it cannot be done in roulette. It's not the same process but it's entirely different game. It's because the random outcomes in blackjack and roulette are not truly random they are kind of sort of random. True random like you see at random.org I can't beat that. It's too random.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 3:13:15 PM
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You use pattern recognition in Roulette to place and win bets with 80% accuracy where mathematically the probability is only 47.37%.
Is that your claim or isn't it?
I knew you would get it wrong, LOL.
The math number you are using was obtained from betting randomly against random outcomes. I don't do that I bet non randomly against random outcomes therefore my math is different is it not?
No, the math is not different. Roulette doesn't care whether you bet randomly or non-randomly. The math doesn't change. Where you got this idea is a mystery.
Quote:The math calculations for roulette are not one-size-fits-all. They are very very specific, in order to get 47.37% you have to bet randomly. If you bet non randomly that number no longer applies.
This claim is completely nonsensical and not based in any sort of mathematical reality.
Quote:Why you people can't understand this is that you've got some kind of mental block.
We understand that you can't grasp the concept of how math works with regards to Roulette.
Quote:The best example of this is Blackjack. If you pay close enough attention to the random outcomes you may see a point were you can make non-random bets that are in your favor. Just because you know the math behind this does not mean that's not what's happening. Because that's exactly what's happening.
Are you talking about basic strategy? And card counting? Those concepts don't work in Roulette. They work in BJ and are mathematically demonstrable. Nothing you are claiming about your Roulette system is mathematically demonstrable, and you certainly have not done or said anything in this thread to show otherwise.
Quote:And it's what I've learned how to do in roulette. Watch the outcomes and at just the right time make non random guesses as to the next outcome and I'm right 80% of the time.
Soooooooo, you claim to use pattern recognition in Roulette to place and win bets with 80% accuracy where mathematically the probability is only 47.37%....LOL....these are your words, not mine, and exactly what I said above.
Quote:Why this is hard to understand is a total mystery to me because I don't think you're fooling, I truly think you do not understand this is what I do.
It's not hard to understand at all. I understand exactly what you are claiming you can do. It has been explained to you ad nauseum in this thread why your claims are impossible and ludicrous.
Quote:And when Thorp wrote his book it truly was a world-shaking event. It changed the game of blackjack forever even though there were card counters before he wrote the book. He interviewed them for the book but they weren't very good and there wasn't that many of them and they had no idea why what they did worked. All Thorp did was prove the math with a computer. You cannot tell me that if it can be done in blackjack that it cannot be done in roulette.
It can be done in Blackjack and it cannot be done in Roulette. They are totally different games with entirely different math and concepts involved. I don't know why you insist on continually comparing the two.
Quote:It's not the same process but it's entirely different game. It's because the random outcomes in blackjack and roulette are not truly random they are kind of sort of random. True random like you see at random.org I can't beat that. It's too random.
Someone please put this thread out of its misery.....LOL
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Let me dumb this down a little....
Do you claim that you can beat the randomness of a Roulette wheel?
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September 19th, 2022 at 3:21:38 PM
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Summary time…. Bob claims he can win 80% of his bets that normally would win a little less than 1/2 the time. He has said he has done this for years.
Conclusion…. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD IN ANY OF EB’s posts.
NONE WHATSOEVER.
Conclusion…. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD IN ANY OF EB’s posts.
NONE WHATSOEVER.
September 19th, 2022 at 3:26:58 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOSummary time…. Bob claims he can win 80% of his bets that normally would win a little less than 1/2 the time.
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That's what I said and he said I was wrong and then went on to describe exactly that.... LOL...
Claims the math doesn't apply to him...LOL...
What a hoot.
September 19th, 2022 at 3:42:02 PM
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Why aren't you people just ignoring this after 60 pages? Does anyone really think anything is going to change?
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 19th, 2022 at 3:55:25 PM
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Quote: DRichWhy aren't you people just ignoring this after 60 pages? Does anyone really think anything is going to change?
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It's kind of addicting....
And maybe if we go on long enough something will finally click in EB's brain and he'll figure out why his system is bogus.
September 19th, 2022 at 3:59:55 PM
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Quote: TigerWuQuote: DRichWhy aren't you people just ignoring this after 60 pages? Does anyone really think anything is going to change?
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It's kind of addicting....
And maybe if we go on long enough something will finally click in EB's brain and he'll figure out why his system is bogus.
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I am convinced this thread is the definition of insanity.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 19th, 2022 at 4:45:48 PM
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Poker is another good example of random outcomes being beaten by non-random bets. In a well shuffled deck of cards every card dealt is an independent random outcome. By keeping track of the cards and knowing the math involved a good player can make an educated guess as to what the other players have against what he has and bet non randomly using this information. If he's very good and he's also very good at reading his fellow players all these things add up to having a non-random advantage over a random game..
Poker is not the same is Blackjack which is not the same as roulette but they can all be beaten in various ways. It's just that nobody has showed how it works in roulette yet but it's coming. Somebody will work it out as a computer program it's inevitable. I'm like one of those card counters in Las Vegas before Thorp. I can do it but I don't know how it works exactly. Somebody really smart is going to have to come along and do the heavy lifting. Meanwhile I'll just continue taking advantage of it.
Your opinions here are mostly in one ear and out the other for me because this is not a hypothetical I am presenting it's something I actually do everyday at a casino for real money. So when you tell me it doesn't work and I can't do it what do you think I'm going to say. I'm just going to ignore you cuz you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You wonder why I post threads like this, it's because I learn. All this thinking I've been doing about poker and blackjack has helped me figure out what I'm doing in roulette. There was a time when nobody beat blackjack and when poker was very hard to beat Then the sophisticated modern style of playing came along and now there are tons of excellent poker players.
Are we allowed here to post a link to threads on other forums?
Poker is not the same is Blackjack which is not the same as roulette but they can all be beaten in various ways. It's just that nobody has showed how it works in roulette yet but it's coming. Somebody will work it out as a computer program it's inevitable. I'm like one of those card counters in Las Vegas before Thorp. I can do it but I don't know how it works exactly. Somebody really smart is going to have to come along and do the heavy lifting. Meanwhile I'll just continue taking advantage of it.
Your opinions here are mostly in one ear and out the other for me because this is not a hypothetical I am presenting it's something I actually do everyday at a casino for real money. So when you tell me it doesn't work and I can't do it what do you think I'm going to say. I'm just going to ignore you cuz you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You wonder why I post threads like this, it's because I learn. All this thinking I've been doing about poker and blackjack has helped me figure out what I'm doing in roulette. There was a time when nobody beat blackjack and when poker was very hard to beat Then the sophisticated modern style of playing came along and now there are tons of excellent poker players.
Are we allowed here to post a link to threads on other forums?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 4:48:05 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: TigerWuQuote: DRichWhy aren't you people just ignoring this after 60 pages? Does anyone really think anything is going to change?
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It's kind of addicting....
And maybe if we go on long enough something will finally click in EB's brain and he'll figure out why his system is bogus.
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I am convinced this thread is the definition of insanity.
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But then after eating an entire 2 lb bag tater tots with the entire bottle of ketchup everything has to look insane and you think you're the only sane one. Ever dip tater tots into Mayo? It's almost a religious experience.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 5:03:00 PM
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It's amazing that anyone cannot understand that a card game is composed of (generally) 52 individual units that make combinations so that when some of them are removed after a hand from the composition, that has an effect that changes the math.
And that anyone would believe a roulette ball is somehow comparable, that the ball is somehow split into 36 elements and some of these elements get removed as it they are aren't there (yes he basically described this by saying the numbers are sleeping).
It's about as mumbo jumbo as flat earth science. With much of the same declarations (I can't prove the earth is flat because I tried it and everyone says I am wrong but unless you can walk across the earth you can't deny I am wrong and when you try to walk around the earth that Ocean is in the way and any boat or plane you take is secretly backtracking because, well, you know, the Earth is flat, told you so).
And that anyone would believe a roulette ball is somehow comparable, that the ball is somehow split into 36 elements and some of these elements get removed as it they are aren't there (yes he basically described this by saying the numbers are sleeping).
It's about as mumbo jumbo as flat earth science. With much of the same declarations (I can't prove the earth is flat because I tried it and everyone says I am wrong but unless you can walk across the earth you can't deny I am wrong and when you try to walk around the earth that Ocean is in the way and any boat or plane you take is secretly backtracking because, well, you know, the Earth is flat, told you so).
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 19th, 2022 at 5:17:59 PM
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Quote: darkozIt's amazing that anyone cannot understand that a card game is composed of (generally) 52 individual units that make combinations so that when some of them are removed after a hand from the composition, that has an effect that changes the math.
And that anyone would believe a roulette ball is somehow comparable, that the ball is somehow split into 36 elements and some of these elements get removed as it they are aren't there (yes he basically described this by saying the numbers are sleeping).
It's about as mumbo jumbo as flat earth science. With much of the same declarations (I can't prove the earth is flat because I tried it and everyone says I am wrong but unless you can walk across the earth you can't deny I am wrong and when you try to walk around the earth that Ocean is in the way and any boat or plane you take is secretly backtracking because, well, you know, the Earth is flat, told you so).
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The reason roulette can be beat is because it is only made up of 36 numbers those 36 numbers repeat the same patterns and trends over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. It has no choice because there's such a limited amount of numbers. If roulette had 75 numbers I couldn't do this because the patterns and trends would not repeat often enough. I'm not looking for the same things you look for in blackjack or poker because those are entirely different games. But the concept is the same in that at certain times in all these games they are vulnerable to being attacked with non-random bets. Very few people can do it well because it's difficult. For every super good Blackjack card counter there's 500 who do it poorly. It's the same with poker. And of course none of you can do it with roulette so you naively think nobody can do it. I used to keep my mouth shut because I thought somebody was going to steal this but I've come to realize the last couple of years that not only is nobody going to steal it nobody's going to believe it. I can't even jam it down their throats. LOL. Once in a while a smart guy comes along and understands but they are few and far between.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 5:22:54 PM
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But then after eating an entire 2 lb bag tater tots with the entire bottle of ketchup everything has to look insane and you think you're the only sane one. Ever dip tater tots into Mayo? It's almost a religious experience.
I would never defile a tater tot with a condiment. Only salt and pepper for me. BTW, I do not use any condiments on anything. i eat everything plain. Yes, even my hot dogs and hamburgers.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 19th, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: EvenBob
But then after eating an entire 2 lb bag tater tots with the entire bottle of ketchup everything has to look insane and you think you're the only sane one. Ever dip tater tots into Mayo? It's almost a religious experience.
I would never defile a tater tot with a condiment. Only salt and pepper for me. BTW, I do not use any condiments on anything. i eat everything plain. Yes, even my hot dogs and hamburgers.
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That would bore me to tears. Condiments are everything, condiments and spices. The first time I dipped a french fry into mayonnaise I thought I was going to start crying. And a well-made tartar sauce with fried fish? Oh my dear God. Or horseradish sauce with prime rib? You can hear the sound of angels singing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 5:39:44 PM
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Do you think your method could be applied to coin flips, where there are only 2 outcomes so I think there would be even more repeated patterns?Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozIt's amazing that anyone cannot understand that a card game is composed of (generally) 52 individual units that make combinations so that when some of them are removed after a hand from the composition, that has an effect that changes the math.
And that anyone would believe a roulette ball is somehow comparable, that the ball is somehow split into 36 elements and some of these elements get removed as it they are aren't there (yes he basically described this by saying the numbers are sleeping).
It's about as mumbo jumbo as flat earth science. With much of the same declarations (I can't prove the earth is flat because I tried it and everyone says I am wrong but unless you can walk across the earth you can't deny I am wrong and when you try to walk around the earth that Ocean is in the way and any boat or plane you take is secretly backtracking because, well, you know, the Earth is flat, told you so).
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The reason roulette can be beat is because it is only made up of 36 numbers those 36 numbers repeat the same patterns and trends over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. It has no choice because there's such a limited amount of numbers. If roulette had 75 numbers I couldn't do this because the patterns and trends would not repeat often enough. I'm not looking for the same things you look for in blackjack or poker because those are entirely different games. But the concept is the same in that at certain times in all these games they are vulnerable to being attacked with non-random bets. Very few people can do it well because it's difficult. For every super good Blackjack card counter there's 500 who do it poorly. It's the same with poker. And of course none of you can do it with roulette so you naively think nobody can do it. I used to keep my mouth shut because I thought somebody was going to steal this but I've come to realize the last couple of years that not only is nobody going to steal it nobody's going to believe it. I can't even jam it down their throats. LOL. Once in a while a smart guy comes along and understands but they are few and far between.
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The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 19th, 2022 at 5:41:28 PM
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That would bore me to tears. Condiments are everything, condiments and spices. The first time I dipped a french fry into mayonnaise I thought I was going to start crying. And a well-made tartar sauce with fried fish? Oh my dear God. Or horseradish sauce with prime rib? You can hear the sound of angels singing.
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I know most people love their condiments. the noise you would hear from me eating an items with condiments would be me vomiting. Probably the closest thing I use to a condiment is alfredo sauce for dipping my breadsticks.
I do love spices on my food.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 19th, 2022 at 5:49:54 PM
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Don't be silly. There are not enough pretty colors and fancy numbers to look at.Quote: unJonDo you think your method could be applied to coin flips, where there are only 2 outcomes so I think there would be even more repeated patterns?Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozIt's amazing that anyone cannot understand that a card game is composed of (generally) 52 individual units that make combinations so that when some of them are removed after a hand from the composition, that has an effect that changes the math.
And that anyone would believe a roulette ball is somehow comparable, that the ball is somehow split into 36 elements and some of these elements get removed as it they are aren't there (yes he basically described this by saying the numbers are sleeping).
It's about as mumbo jumbo as flat earth science. With much of the same declarations (I can't prove the earth is flat because I tried it and everyone says I am wrong but unless you can walk across the earth you can't deny I am wrong and when you try to walk around the earth that Ocean is in the way and any boat or plane you take is secretly backtracking because, well, you know, the Earth is flat, told you so).
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The reason roulette can be beat is because it is only made up of 36 numbers those 36 numbers repeat the same patterns and trends over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. It has no choice because there's such a limited amount of numbers. If roulette had 75 numbers I couldn't do this because the patterns and trends would not repeat often enough. I'm not looking for the same things you look for in blackjack or poker because those are entirely different games. But the concept is the same in that at certain times in all these games they are vulnerable to being attacked with non-random bets. Very few people can do it well because it's difficult. For every super good Blackjack card counter there's 500 who do it poorly. It's the same with poker. And of course none of you can do it with roulette so you naively think nobody can do it. I used to keep my mouth shut because I thought somebody was going to steal this but I've come to realize the last couple of years that not only is nobody going to steal it nobody's going to believe it. I can't even jam it down their throats. LOL. Once in a while a smart guy comes along and understands but they are few and far between.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 5:51:10 PM
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A guy walks up to a roulette wheel.
The ball says "hey bub, new session?"
The guy says, "yep, it's been five minutes already since my last".
The ball says, "nah, only three. Come back in two minutes. I'm still trying to get the second dozen to sleep. Rock a bye ballsy in the treetop...".
The guy waits and while he waits he notices a pattern on the carpet. "AHA! Follow the pattern. Red, black, red, black."
The ball says "hey bub, new session?"
The guy says, "yep, it's been five minutes already since my last".
The ball says, "nah, only three. Come back in two minutes. I'm still trying to get the second dozen to sleep. Rock a bye ballsy in the treetop...".
The guy waits and while he waits he notices a pattern on the carpet. "AHA! Follow the pattern. Red, black, red, black."
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 19th, 2022 at 6:01:31 PM
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Excluding any legitimate advantage play or cheating, it doesn't matter if I know what you're doing. If you can beat the game of roulette with the type of edge you are indicating it would be.....an extraordinary world discovery with applications way beyond gambling.Quote: EvenBob
You don't even know what I do so this is meaningless.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 6:25:27 PM
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What I want to know about EvenBob is:
What did he eat today?
What did he eat today?
It’s all about making that GTA
September 19th, 2022 at 6:44:30 PM
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Quote: unJonDo you think your method could be applied to coin flips, where there are only 2 outcomes so I think there would be even more repeated patterns?
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With coin flips there's only one stream of information and it's not enough. The same with Baccarat just one stream and I need a lot more than that to determine what to bet on.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 6:47:44 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfDon't be silly. There are not enough pretty colors and fancy numbers to look at.
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You are trying to be funny but that's actually true. I need more colors and more numbers because I can't work with just one stream of heads or tails.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 6:50:22 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfExcluding any legitimate advantage play or cheating, it doesn't matter if I know what you're doing. If you can beat the game of roulette with the type of edge you are indicating it would be.....an extraordinary world discovery with applications way beyond gambling.Quote: EvenBob
You don't even know what I do so this is meaningless.
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Not any more than beating poker or beating blackjack was. If you could be taught to do it you would say man this is boring I'd rather watch paint dry. Kind of like waiting for the cards to go your way in blackjack, boring as hell. Or being dealt hand after hand of crap in poker.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 6:51:54 PM
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Quote: Ace2What I want to know about EvenBob is:
What did he eat today?
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I don't do the eating threads anymore because I was driven away from them by the haters. It's just not worth the grief.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 7:51:22 PM
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And maybe if we go on long enough something will finally click in EB's brain and he'll figure out why his system is bogus.
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LOLOLOL! Yeah, maybe if you guys talk long enough about something you know nothing about I'll give up what I've been doing for the last 16 years and just walk away from it. Yeah no, not going to happen don't be ridiculous.
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 19th, 2022 at 8:00:03 PM
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Your examples of people beating poker and blackjack are horrible examples that really have nothing to do with roulette. Are you trying to claim that since the initial deal is random it's a fair comparison?Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfExcluding any legitimate advantage play or cheating, it doesn't matter if I know what you're doing. If you can beat the game of roulette with the type of edge you are indicating it would be.....an extraordinary world discovery with applications way beyond gambling.Quote: EvenBob
You don't even know what I do so this is meaningless.
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Not any more than beating poker or beating blackjack was. If you could be taught to do it you would say man this is boring I'd rather watch paint dry. Kind of like waiting for the cards to go your way in blackjack, boring as hell. Or being dealt hand after hand of crap in poker.
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You are making decisions BEFORE the deal(ball landing).
Poker players and Card counters are making decisions AFTER the cards have been dealt and they have a significant amount of information.
Your poker example is so completely different it's not even funny. Does one really have to explain that to you? It's humans beating humans based on a shitton of information both prior, during, and after. How can you not see that when one guy has flopped the stone-cold nuts, and one guy is bluffing the nut low the that there's going to be a defined predictable advantage to be had?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 19th, 2022 at 8:07:30 PM
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Trying to be funny, yes and no,. I know that's why you believe you can beat roulette. You use the pretty colors and fancy numbers to look at in an attempt to detect patterns that you believe will help you guess what's more likely to come up next.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolfDon't be silly. There are not enough pretty colors and fancy numbers to look at.
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You are trying to be funny but that's actually true. I need more colors and more numbers because I can't work with just one stream of heads or tails.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
