The Adventures of MDawg II
August 6th, 2022 at 11:48:16 AM
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As far as any methods you post about or allude to,
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 6th, 2022 at 1:06:40 PM
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In recent Vegas news,
https://www.ktnv.com/news/crime/las-vegas-police-investigate-robbery-stabbing-at-business-near-sahara-arville
https://nypost.com/2022/08/05/las-vegas-vape-store-owner-defends-himself-by-stabbing-would-be-robber/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/wh2jgh/las_vegas_smoke_shop_owner_defends_his_business/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
a Vape store owner stabbed fatally a robber who jumped over the counter to try to grab merchandise. The robber was accompanied by two others, and had already come in and snatched the tip jar off the counter. Apparently at least one robber returned after swiping the tip jar, jumped over the counter, and was then attacked by the store owner, who used a three inch knife to stab the robber seven times.
There was a case in Vegas in 2009, where a pawn shop owner shot a robber who grabbed a Cartier and ran.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/02/pawn-shop-owner-fatally-shoots-man-store/
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/03/coroner-victim-pawn-shop-shooting-shot-back/
In that case the pawn shop owner shot the robber through the glass door of the store after he had already exited and was getting away.
For that homicide the pawn shop owner pled to manslaughter and got three years probation. Around 2009, I saw the video for that shooting and it didn't look good for the pawn shop owner, as the robber was half way out the door before he was shot, but the owner claimed that before shooting him the robber had turned to him in a "menacing manner" when the magnetized door would not open. It's not clear then if the pawn shop owner then buzzed him out the door then shot him?
https://palazzolawfirm.com/las-vegas-pawn-store-owner-gets-probation-for-killing-robber/
The rule of law here is that deadly force may be used only to counter perceived deadly force - not just to defend property. I think in the current case the store owner will be able to make a case for that he was in fear for not just property but his life when the robber jumped the counter, although, it does not appear that the robber was armed.
For example, there is an old English case we studied in law school about a landowner who set up "trap guns" around his property, and one went off and killed a would be burglar. In that case the landowner was held liable for homicide - because there was no imminent perceived threat to life by a mere burglar trespassing property that was at that moment unoccupied.
The Georgia man whacked his fist on the bar. "But we can't just lock ourselves in the house and be prisoners!" he exclaimed. "We don't even know who these people are! How do you recognize them?
"You can't," my attorney replied. "The only way to do it is to take the bull by the horns - go to the mat with this scum!"
"What do you mean by that?" he asked.
"You know what I mean," said my attorney. "We've done it before, and we can damn well do it again.”
"Cut their goddamn heads off," I said. "Every one of them. That's what we're doing in California."
“What?”
"Sure," said my attorney. "It's all on the Q.T., but everybody who matters is with us all the way down the line."
https://www.ktnv.com/news/crime/las-vegas-police-investigate-robbery-stabbing-at-business-near-sahara-arville
https://nypost.com/2022/08/05/las-vegas-vape-store-owner-defends-himself-by-stabbing-would-be-robber/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/wh2jgh/las_vegas_smoke_shop_owner_defends_his_business/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
a Vape store owner stabbed fatally a robber who jumped over the counter to try to grab merchandise. The robber was accompanied by two others, and had already come in and snatched the tip jar off the counter. Apparently at least one robber returned after swiping the tip jar, jumped over the counter, and was then attacked by the store owner, who used a three inch knife to stab the robber seven times.
There was a case in Vegas in 2009, where a pawn shop owner shot a robber who grabbed a Cartier and ran.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/02/pawn-shop-owner-fatally-shoots-man-store/
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2009/feb/03/coroner-victim-pawn-shop-shooting-shot-back/
In that case the pawn shop owner shot the robber through the glass door of the store after he had already exited and was getting away.
For that homicide the pawn shop owner pled to manslaughter and got three years probation. Around 2009, I saw the video for that shooting and it didn't look good for the pawn shop owner, as the robber was half way out the door before he was shot, but the owner claimed that before shooting him the robber had turned to him in a "menacing manner" when the magnetized door would not open. It's not clear then if the pawn shop owner then buzzed him out the door then shot him?
https://palazzolawfirm.com/las-vegas-pawn-store-owner-gets-probation-for-killing-robber/
The rule of law here is that deadly force may be used only to counter perceived deadly force - not just to defend property. I think in the current case the store owner will be able to make a case for that he was in fear for not just property but his life when the robber jumped the counter, although, it does not appear that the robber was armed.
For example, there is an old English case we studied in law school about a landowner who set up "trap guns" around his property, and one went off and killed a would be burglar. In that case the landowner was held liable for homicide - because there was no imminent perceived threat to life by a mere burglar trespassing property that was at that moment unoccupied.
The Georgia man whacked his fist on the bar. "But we can't just lock ourselves in the house and be prisoners!" he exclaimed. "We don't even know who these people are! How do you recognize them?
"You can't," my attorney replied. "The only way to do it is to take the bull by the horns - go to the mat with this scum!"
"What do you mean by that?" he asked.
"You know what I mean," said my attorney. "We've done it before, and we can damn well do it again.”
"Cut their goddamn heads off," I said. "Every one of them. That's what we're doing in California."
“What?”
"Sure," said my attorney. "It's all on the Q.T., but everybody who matters is with us all the way down the line."
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 6th, 2022 at 7:11:39 PM
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How could you since I rarely post about such things? I have only mentioned maybe a handful of things I have played over the many years I have been posting, however many members of the forum have played for, with, or alongside me on numerous occasions. Here's one of the latest ones mentioned here, I gave Mike permission to write about it since I figured someone else would anyways.Quote: MDawgAs far as any methods you post about or allude to,
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/35702-longhorn-double-jackpot-promotion/#post797816.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 7th, 2022 at 7:45:40 AM
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I got ears, you know. I hear things.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 7th, 2022 at 9:35:39 AM
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VIP Lounges and what they offer, in Vegas, at the majors (and off Strip majors):
Wynn/Encore:
There are a lot of Tower Suites guests but the majority of guests are not RFB with the starred keys for VIP lounge access.
Wynn/Encore probably has the best VIP lounges, with breakfast and then lunch/dinner foods laid out, nothing hot, but in the mornings pastries, croissants, fruit including bananas, and in the afternoons and evenings, different kinds of sandwiches and pasta or poke based salad bowls. Also coffee, tea, cold drinks, and a server who will bring you most any beverage as well.
The primary VIP lounges are in the Tower Suites area, but there is another VIP lounge which sometimes has food and always has beverage service in the high limit Baccarat room on the Wynn side.
Venetian/Palazzo
have finally brought back limited food (mostly just cookies, a little fruit) and beverage service (a server will bring you drinks, and there is an espresso/cappuccino/mocha machine). Their VIP rooms were completely dry for almost two years starting with Spring 2020, Covid times.
Over at Red Rock their VIP has coffee and tea and fruit, some pastries in the mornings too. Green Valley Ranch has a refrigerator with water in VIP, haven't noticed much else.
Cosmopolitan VIP has a behind the counter espresso/cappuccino/mocha machine, plus cold drinks in a small refrigerator and champagne and orange juice, along with some small pastries and chocolate covered strawberries. If they know you, you may also get free drinks including bottled sparkling or still waters to go, at the bar located in the casino floor high limit, or in the Talon Club.
At Resorts World in the Crockford's lobby in the mornings they lay out fruit and pastries, also coffee and tea.
Caesars Seven Stars check in has nothing other than bottled water behind the counter, but gives Seven Stars guests four $20. per drink slips, and one $10. food slip, per day, all automated via kiosks on the casino floor.
Palms's VIP lounge that used to be to the left of the entrance has moved to an area closer to the Fantasy Tower elevators. I haven't checked out yet what they offer in there, if anything.
Years ago Treasure Island used to have food in their high limit lounge area, no longer. Treasure Island's high limit is closed a lot these days anyway, mostly open later in the day, most days.
Bellagio used to have a full buffet service for VIPs to the side of their high limit Baccarat room. I haven't gone into there in a while so I don't know what is going on there these days.
Wynn/Encore:
There are a lot of Tower Suites guests but the majority of guests are not RFB with the starred keys for VIP lounge access.
Wynn/Encore probably has the best VIP lounges, with breakfast and then lunch/dinner foods laid out, nothing hot, but in the mornings pastries, croissants, fruit including bananas, and in the afternoons and evenings, different kinds of sandwiches and pasta or poke based salad bowls. Also coffee, tea, cold drinks, and a server who will bring you most any beverage as well.
The primary VIP lounges are in the Tower Suites area, but there is another VIP lounge which sometimes has food and always has beverage service in the high limit Baccarat room on the Wynn side.
Venetian/Palazzo
have finally brought back limited food (mostly just cookies, a little fruit) and beverage service (a server will bring you drinks, and there is an espresso/cappuccino/mocha machine). Their VIP rooms were completely dry for almost two years starting with Spring 2020, Covid times.
Over at Red Rock their VIP has coffee and tea and fruit, some pastries in the mornings too. Green Valley Ranch has a refrigerator with water in VIP, haven't noticed much else.
Cosmopolitan VIP has a behind the counter espresso/cappuccino/mocha machine, plus cold drinks in a small refrigerator and champagne and orange juice, along with some small pastries and chocolate covered strawberries. If they know you, you may also get free drinks including bottled sparkling or still waters to go, at the bar located in the casino floor high limit, or in the Talon Club.
At Resorts World in the Crockford's lobby in the mornings they lay out fruit and pastries, also coffee and tea.
Caesars Seven Stars check in has nothing other than bottled water behind the counter, but gives Seven Stars guests four $20. per drink slips, and one $10. food slip, per day, all automated via kiosks on the casino floor.
Palms's VIP lounge that used to be to the left of the entrance has moved to an area closer to the Fantasy Tower elevators. I haven't checked out yet what they offer in there, if anything.
Years ago Treasure Island used to have food in their high limit lounge area, no longer. Treasure Island's high limit is closed a lot these days anyway, mostly open later in the day, most days.
Bellagio used to have a full buffet service for VIPs to the side of their high limit Baccarat room. I haven't gone into there in a while so I don't know what is going on there these days.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 7th, 2022 at 10:43:43 AM
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Partial cash out from one of the win sessions last trip.
I usually forget to take such pics, but this time I asked the cashier to hand me back the chips for a pic before I sent them back across.
I usually forget to take such pics, but this time I asked the cashier to hand me back the chips for a pic before I sent them back across.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 7th, 2022 at 10:47:08 AM
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From a different session's cash out. I love winning $100K chips!
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 7th, 2022 at 11:10:22 AM
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Quote: MDawgSome of the tournaments require a stay, some do not. In some cases hosts are able to waive the stay requirement for tournaments, but if you show up for tournaments enough times and put in no play, eventually you won't be invited back for future tournaments.
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Tournament musings. Most of them are like this one, with an aggregate $500K prize pool spread among six winners,
but at some of the properties they have "winner takes all" tourneys, with the grand prize being up to $1,000,000. I was in one of those $1M tourneys this last trip, with about 275 entrants.
There is a $100K "winner takes all" blackjack tournament coming up soon.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 7th, 2022 at 11:15:14 AM
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Quote: MDawgFrom a different session's cash out. I love winning $100K chips!
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Chips were a great invention to have the gamblers forget that it is real money they are betting! I wonder what the cashier who probably needs two years to earn that one chip must be thinking when they do that transaction!
August 7th, 2022 at 11:51:30 AM
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So you hear things about me not having +EV methods? How very odd, you should probably check your sources because they obviously don't know what the F they are talking about. I have a feeling that both vids were just some bogus retorts since you really didn't have a legitimate response.Quote: MDawg
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 7th, 2022 at 1:42:38 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MDawgFrom a different session's cash out. I love winning $100K chips!
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Chips were a great invention to have the gamblers forget that it is real money they are betting! I wonder what the cashier who probably needs two years to earn that one chip must be thinking when they do that transaction!
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I've done TV news stories inside the vaults of the Federal Reserve and I've done things like have million dollars of cash piled on one table to illustrate something like retirement savings.
And during downtime I'd ask the workers how they felt about "working" with BILLIONS of dollars within their reach.
And they have all told me the same thing: after an hour on the job it's like moving around rocks. They don't even think of it as money.
LOL
August 7th, 2022 at 1:53:34 PM
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Ah, the lure of effortless wealth: luck happens.
Here I am enjoying the fruits of positive variance: 16 midnights in a row were rolled by a man with no arms and no legs and I bet, won, and parlayed each roll.
Here I am enjoying the fruits of positive variance: 16 midnights in a row were rolled by a man with no arms and no legs and I bet, won, and parlayed each roll.
"What, me worry?"
August 7th, 2022 at 5:46:57 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelson
And they have all told me the same thing: after an hour on the job it's like moving around rocks. They don't even think of it as money.
LOL
Having been in vaults with millions of dollars of casino chips I would agree with that sentiment. When having 100's of thousands of cash on me it never felt that way.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 7th, 2022 at 5:58:12 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelson
And they have all told me the same thing: after an hour on the job it's like moving around rocks. They don't even think of it as money.
LOL
Having been in vaults with millions of dollars of casino chips I would agree with that sentiment. When having 100's of thousands of cash on me it never felt that way.
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You're a brave man carrying that much cash. I hope you weren't traveling far.
I can't imagine the fear I would have with so much cash.
Youre a better man than me.
August 7th, 2022 at 7:54:30 PM
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Some cashiers are inured to the inflow and outflows of cash and chips. Others may get excited for you, if you are excited.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 8th, 2022 at 6:17:46 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelson
And they have all told me the same thing: after an hour on the job it's like moving around rocks. They don't even think of it as money.
LOL
Having been in vaults with millions of dollars of casino chips I would agree with that sentiment. When having 100's of thousands of cash on me it never felt that way.
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You're a brave man carrying that much cash. I hope you weren't traveling far.
I can't imagine the fear I would have with so much cash.
Youre a better man than me.
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The one time when I had the most (high six digits) I was just the courier. I had to meet a guy at the airport and pick up the cash and deliver it to a casino about an hour away. Nobody other than the guy that gave me the bag knew what was in it.
Yes, of course the idea of running away with the money goes through your head.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 8th, 2022 at 8:29:00 AM
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Are you saying there is a way to deposit cash at the casino cage or use cash at the cage to pay off a marker, without being the patron himself?
If so, how long ago was this?
I do know of someone who lost a grip at a Vegas casino in 2004, and handed off $500K cash to the casino owner off site to pay off half of the markers. But in that instance it was the patron himself handing the cash to the casino owner. I'd think that even that might have created an issue if the dollar amount wasn't what the owner thought it was, because the owner didn't even count it right then and there, just took the (big) bag.
What I am getting at is compliance - if some courier accepts a bag of cash, and doesn't even know how much is in it, then goes to the cage to deposit it, how do they know that the cash, or all of it, came from the patron himself? Nowadays some banks won't even allow anyone other than the account holder to deposit cash into the bank account. Anti money laundering measures and such. I believe that if I send someone to the cage to pay off my markers with cash or to deposit cash front money the only way they would accept the cash would be if they assumed that the person paying was MDawg.
If so, how long ago was this?
I do know of someone who lost a grip at a Vegas casino in 2004, and handed off $500K cash to the casino owner off site to pay off half of the markers. But in that instance it was the patron himself handing the cash to the casino owner. I'd think that even that might have created an issue if the dollar amount wasn't what the owner thought it was, because the owner didn't even count it right then and there, just took the (big) bag.
What I am getting at is compliance - if some courier accepts a bag of cash, and doesn't even know how much is in it, then goes to the cage to deposit it, how do they know that the cash, or all of it, came from the patron himself? Nowadays some banks won't even allow anyone other than the account holder to deposit cash into the bank account. Anti money laundering measures and such. I believe that if I send someone to the cage to pay off my markers with cash or to deposit cash front money the only way they would accept the cash would be if they assumed that the person paying was MDawg.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 8th, 2022 at 9:23:11 AM
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My biggest marker was $10,000 and the casino happily accepted a cashier's check which was immediately credited and reopened my credit line
Why would anyone carry so much cash? It's insane.
No one knows it's in the bag? Yeah, sure.
Why would anyone carry so much cash? It's insane.
No one knows it's in the bag? Yeah, sure.
August 8th, 2022 at 9:37:38 AM
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Just became aware that we lost LQ Jones recently too, but at the ripe old age of 94.
"If you'll think about our little problem along THEM lines."
"If you'll think about our little problem along THEM lines."
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 8th, 2022 at 9:50:22 AM
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Mdawg is correct that some banks won't accept cash teller deposits from anyone but the account holder.
I've tried to deposit cash in the account of my Media Buyer but Wells Fargo rejected it. My client paid in cash. And it was LESS than one thousand.
But I don't know how casinos operate. If you told me a casino would accept a marker buyback from someone other than the player I'd say okay.
I know that banks are wary of cash because of money laundering, and even at small amounts as in my Wells Fargo experience.
I've tried to deposit cash in the account of my Media Buyer but Wells Fargo rejected it. My client paid in cash. And it was LESS than one thousand.
But I don't know how casinos operate. If you told me a casino would accept a marker buyback from someone other than the player I'd say okay.
I know that banks are wary of cash because of money laundering, and even at small amounts as in my Wells Fargo experience.
August 8th, 2022 at 11:26:42 AM
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Well, in general you would think the casino wouldn't care about who is paying a bill. You would also think that the casino would care more about source of funds for front money deposits than paying off markers.
But, anti money laundering provisions are getting stricter to the point where some banks now disallow any deposits, cash or check, into someone else's account. There might also be a liability issue, where a scammer deposits bad checks into another's account then pulls the funds out via a forged or stolen check.
So it may well be that casinos nowadays don't allow anyone other than the player himself to transact any business on a player's account.
That illustration DRich gives of being a "go'fer" for players taking cash to the casino cage just would not happen today, must have been a long time ago, especially the way he describes it with not even knowing how much is in the money bag. If that sort of thing were okay today, casinos would allow a player to fedex a block of cash to the casino cage, without showing his face, and I am sure that is not allowed. I am not doubting that DRich did that sort of thing, just that it would not be allowed today as far as the deposit end of it.
As I have said, casinos are so strict today that unless the WIN records submitted by the pit bosses match at least the amount requested for a check, the casino will not issue a check to the player. In other words, checks are issued only up to the amount of a verified win. This is how strict things have become. In other words, yes, all of those winning checks I showed to the Wizard in the past (and I can show him others for up to a quarter million dollars each from this year), were for verified MDawg WINs.
I realize AxelWolf was saying something about how "he imagines how there might be any number of ways" that a casino might issue a check, but that just tells me that he is living in the past, because TODAY, short of return of front money submitted by bank wire or cashier's check, or a verified win, no Vegas casino will issue a check to a player. Anyone who claims otherwise is not a current winning player in Vegas who has requested such a check.
But, anti money laundering provisions are getting stricter to the point where some banks now disallow any deposits, cash or check, into someone else's account. There might also be a liability issue, where a scammer deposits bad checks into another's account then pulls the funds out via a forged or stolen check.
So it may well be that casinos nowadays don't allow anyone other than the player himself to transact any business on a player's account.
That illustration DRich gives of being a "go'fer" for players taking cash to the casino cage just would not happen today, must have been a long time ago, especially the way he describes it with not even knowing how much is in the money bag. If that sort of thing were okay today, casinos would allow a player to fedex a block of cash to the casino cage, without showing his face, and I am sure that is not allowed. I am not doubting that DRich did that sort of thing, just that it would not be allowed today as far as the deposit end of it.
As I have said, casinos are so strict today that unless the WIN records submitted by the pit bosses match at least the amount requested for a check, the casino will not issue a check to the player. In other words, checks are issued only up to the amount of a verified win. This is how strict things have become. In other words, yes, all of those winning checks I showed to the Wizard in the past (and I can show him others for up to a quarter million dollars each from this year), were for verified MDawg WINs.
I realize AxelWolf was saying something about how "he imagines how there might be any number of ways" that a casino might issue a check, but that just tells me that he is living in the past, because TODAY, short of return of front money submitted by bank wire or cashier's check, or a verified win, no Vegas casino will issue a check to a player. Anyone who claims otherwise is not a current winning player in Vegas who has requested such a check.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 8th, 2022 at 11:50:15 AM
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DRich didn’t say he was taking a player’s money to the cage. Maybe that’s what he did, but maybe he did something else.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
August 8th, 2022 at 11:53:30 AM
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Well I may be losing track of who's who but I assumed he worked for the casino while transporting cash? If not, then maybe he will explain what exactly he was doing.
He did say it was only twice that he carried that much:
Quote: DRichQuote: SiegfriedRoyWill they let you do that as front money? I’m tired of carrying cash through the airport hoping I don’t get hit with a random inspection and having to explain the cash. Civil forfeiture is a damn pain.
One time I was going through the airport in Texas on my way to Vegas and I had over $230,000 in my carry on bag. I was a little nervous but it was all legitimate. My bag went through xray and got flagged for a check. I became nervous. I hadn't realized that my business partner put a bag of coins in my carry on. A bag of coins looks like a suspicious metal blob on the xray. They opened my bag and saw the bag of coins and let it pass through without any further inspection.
Lesson: Never put a bag of coins in your bag if you are carrying lots of cash.
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He did say it was only twice that he carried that much:
Quote: DRichQuote: TDVegasMy old man was an engineer and made pretty decent coin. Not carry around a quarter of a mil in cash decent coin.
That was a special occassion, I have only had large sums of cash on me like that twice. Once was much more but I was just the courier, it wasn't mine,
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 11:57:48 AM
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Mdawg is correct that casinos won't issue a check for money not won in a game.
I verified that with several of the big casino companies in Vegas.
If theres a small casino somewhere that does it, well okay. I didnt call everyone.
I verified that with several of the big casino companies in Vegas.
If theres a small casino somewhere that does it, well okay. I didnt call everyone.
August 8th, 2022 at 12:01:24 PM
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Quote: MDawgWell I may be losing track of who's who but I thought he said he worked for the casino while transporting cash? If not, then maybe he will explain what exactly he was doing.
He did say it was only twice that he carried that much:Quote: DRichQuote: TDVegasMy old man was an engineer and made pretty decent coin. Not carry around a quarter of a mil in cash decent coin.
That was a special occassion, I have only had large sums of cash on me like that twice. Once was much more but I was just the courier, it wasn't mine,
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Agree. I’m just not sure it was a player giving DRich the money. Have a vague recollection of an old post where he was currying the casinos own cash from one place to another.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
August 8th, 2022 at 12:32:29 PM
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Who would carry so much cash without an armed escort and a secure mode of travel?
An employee?
A friend?
It boggles the mind.
An employee?
A friend?
It boggles the mind.
August 8th, 2022 at 12:45:18 PM
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Yes, I ran into different occasions this year when they were very strict about verifying the exact win before issuing the winning MDawg checks, and it seems to me that they are getting stricter about it too.
For example, say you lose win 30K, 20K, 25K over three days. Then dump -100K. So you pay off the line with a 25K cashier's check. You don't have to pay off the line, but let's say you do. Then you start winning again, win say 15K 10K, nothing big but you have won 25K. But if you go to the cage to get your check for those 25K in chips you won, they will say, no, you haven't won anything you are even for this trip. They will cash the chips for cash, which will earn you a CTR, but will not issue you a check unless you somehow convince them that it is a return of front money via cashier's check.
And, if you paid off the 25K with cash, then forgetattaboutit, you're not getting a check until their system shows a net win for the trip.
For example, say you lose win 30K, 20K, 25K over three days. Then dump -100K. So you pay off the line with a 25K cashier's check. You don't have to pay off the line, but let's say you do. Then you start winning again, win say 15K 10K, nothing big but you have won 25K. But if you go to the cage to get your check for those 25K in chips you won, they will say, no, you haven't won anything you are even for this trip. They will cash the chips for cash, which will earn you a CTR, but will not issue you a check unless you somehow convince them that it is a return of front money via cashier's check.
And, if you paid off the 25K with cash, then forgetattaboutit, you're not getting a check until their system shows a net win for the trip.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 1:07:31 PM
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Quote: MDawgAre you saying there is a way to deposit cash at the casino cage or use cash at the cage to pay off a marker, without being the patron himself?
No, I didn't say that at all. It was about four years ago that I did that.
I know a little bit about Gaming compliance. I was the director of the Compliance committee at my company.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 8th, 2022 at 1:13:39 PM
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Quote: MDawgPartial cash out from one of the win sessions last trip.
I usually forget to take such pics, but this time I asked the cashier to hand me back the chips for a pic before I sent them back across.
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How about a picture of the buy-in amount in your tray prior to play?
tuttigym
August 8th, 2022 at 1:15:11 PM
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Another illustration of how strict they are these days. This happened last year.
I was winning big at one casino. Call it Casino A. I had a lot of their chips. Then I took a spill at another casino. I gave the casino where I had lost a couple of my winning chips to pay them off. Of course before they accepted them, they phoned the originating casino to make sure I owed nothing and that I showed as having won those chips (they were big denominations, not just 100s or 500s). Casino A must have then noted that these two chips of mine were presented to another casino.
Then I started to win at the casino where I had lost. Casino B. When it came time to cash out, I told them about what had transpired but they refused to issue a check for any more than what their computer showed as an over all net win for that trip. (A trip, by the way, is defined as continuous play not interrupted by more than a week or no play. Play every few days, and the trip computer might never reset, so you had better cash out chips for a check whenever you can.) Rather than accept cash for the two chips I had given them, I asked the casino to just give me back the two foreign chips, which, somehow, they were able to do. I assume they weren't the same two chips, but somehow they had these available.
So anyway, I got a check from that Casino B for the net win, and got back the two chips I had given them to pay off the line at the time I was down temporarily.
Meantime I continued on a tear at the first casino and but when it came time to cash out and get a check, Casino A deducted the value of those two chips from the check they were willing to give me even though the computer showed that I had won at least the amount of chips I was presenting. They said that it was a compliance issue.
"But they're YOUR chips, I am just returning them to you."
"We don't know what you did with them during the time that we allowed them to be released to the other casino," was their answer.
That's just another illustration of how strict the casinos have become with reference to issuing checks only against verified wins - if the winning chips were circulated through another casino, they cease to become part of a verified win for purposes of check issuance.
I was winning big at one casino. Call it Casino A. I had a lot of their chips. Then I took a spill at another casino. I gave the casino where I had lost a couple of my winning chips to pay them off. Of course before they accepted them, they phoned the originating casino to make sure I owed nothing and that I showed as having won those chips (they were big denominations, not just 100s or 500s). Casino A must have then noted that these two chips of mine were presented to another casino.
Then I started to win at the casino where I had lost. Casino B. When it came time to cash out, I told them about what had transpired but they refused to issue a check for any more than what their computer showed as an over all net win for that trip. (A trip, by the way, is defined as continuous play not interrupted by more than a week or no play. Play every few days, and the trip computer might never reset, so you had better cash out chips for a check whenever you can.) Rather than accept cash for the two chips I had given them, I asked the casino to just give me back the two foreign chips, which, somehow, they were able to do. I assume they weren't the same two chips, but somehow they had these available.
So anyway, I got a check from that Casino B for the net win, and got back the two chips I had given them to pay off the line at the time I was down temporarily.
Meantime I continued on a tear at the first casino and but when it came time to cash out and get a check, Casino A deducted the value of those two chips from the check they were willing to give me even though the computer showed that I had won at least the amount of chips I was presenting. They said that it was a compliance issue.
"But they're YOUR chips, I am just returning them to you."
"We don't know what you did with them during the time that we allowed them to be released to the other casino," was their answer.
That's just another illustration of how strict the casinos have become with reference to issuing checks only against verified wins - if the winning chips were circulated through another casino, they cease to become part of a verified win for purposes of check issuance.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 1:19:08 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: MDawgAre you saying there is a way to deposit cash at the casino cage or use cash at the cage to pay off a marker, without being the patron himself?
No, I didn't say that at all. It was about four years ago that I did that.
I know a little bit about Gaming compliance. I was the director of the Compliance committee at my company.
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How did your company think about its director of the compliance committee carrying cash for someone else?
August 8th, 2022 at 1:29:28 PM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: MDawgPartial cash out from one of the win sessions last trip.
I usually forget to take such pics, but this time I asked the cashier to hand me back the chips for a pic before I sent them back across.
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How about a picture of the buy-in amount in your tray prior to play?
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I don't think I've ever bothered to take a pic of my chips at the beginning of play? Why would I, who cares what I start with what I end with is what matters. But I am not going to leave the table without paying off the marker pulled unless I have played for so long that the shift has changed and the marker has been transferred to the cage, which at some casinos, they don't even transfer markers until a full 24 hours has passed.
In any case, out of dozens of sessions I didn't take pics of every single win. I did use to do that but once I stopped posting session results in real time I didn't see the point.
Are you sure you have ever done any of this? Your description of "in your tray" belies the notion. What tray? Do you play with credit lines?
As your attorney I advise you to read this, CASINO CREDIT - HOW IT WORKS, then study up on how credit play itself works before asking further questions.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 1:33:44 PM
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How did your company think about its director of the compliance committee carrying cash for someone else?
They asked me to be the courier because they trusted me.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 8th, 2022 at 1:41:27 PM
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Why would someone flying into Vegas, going to the hotel himself, hand off his cash to someone to transport to the hotel? Why not just get in the hotel limo and transport it himself?
The transaction is described so hazily that it is hard to figure what was going on. Just enough details to invite curiosity, but not enough to know what your role was or what was going on.
The transaction is described so hazily that it is hard to figure what was going on. Just enough details to invite curiosity, but not enough to know what your role was or what was going on.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 1:45:07 PM
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Quote: DRichQuote: AlanMendelson
How did your company think about its director of the compliance committee carrying cash for someone else?
They asked me to be the courier because they trusted me.
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Wow. I wasn't think about trusting you, I was thinking about liability. What if you got robbed, killed? What if the suitcase was short a few thou? Would you have been blamed?
And what really stands out is that you apparently accepted this?
August 8th, 2022 at 1:53:04 PM
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Quote: MDawgQuote: tuttigymQuote: MDawgPartial cash out from one of the win sessions last trip.
I usually forget to take such pics, but this time I asked the cashier to hand me back the chips for a pic before I sent them back across.
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How about a picture of the buy-in amount in your tray prior to play?
tuttigym
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I don't think I've ever bothered to take a pic of my chips at the beginning of play? Why would I, who cares what I start with what I end with is what matters. But I am not going to leave the table without paying off the marker pulled unless I have played for so long that the shift has changed and the marker has been transferred to the cage, which at some casinos, they don't even transfer markers until a full 24 hours has passed.
In any case, out of dozens of sessions I didn't take pics of every single win. I did use to do that but once I stopped posting session results in real time I didn't see the point.
Are you sure you have ever done any of this? Your description of "in the tray" belies the notion. What tray? Do you play with credit lines?
As your attorney I advise you to read this, CASINO CREDIT - HOW IT WORKS, then study up on how credit play itself works before asking further questions.
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Man, all you seem to do is dodge legitimate questions. After I sign my marker (the casino's marker), the box man (craps table) provides the chips in various denominations for my play. The table has a tray to hold the chips because there are too many to hold in my hand or put in my pocket. I guess your gambling experiences with that big money provides you an assistant to hold your chips for you rather than providing trays at your private table. Isn't it cumbersome to keep asking your assistant for chips to play for each hand? What if he has to go to the bathroom? Does he hand those chips to another assistant so the game can go on?
At the end of my session, I color and go to the cage for my cash. At the end of my stay, I don't stay for weeks on end, I go to the cage and redeem my markers. My credit line is extensive and comfortable.
Your condescending and dismissive post provides all who read your personal pats on your back with great insight into who you really are.
YOUR FIRED.
tuttigym
August 8th, 2022 at 1:55:40 PM
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I don't play craps. Why would I, I have no advantage at that game.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 2:03:36 PM
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I dont play blackjack or Baccarat but the few times I did play I dont recall having a rail for chips as in craps.
Theres no rail for chips in poker.
Theres no rail for chips in poker.
August 8th, 2022 at 2:16:12 PM
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Correct there is no rail or trays provided for chips at Blackjack or Baccarat, we just put our chips flat on the table, although I suppose if you asked for a tray when leaving they would provide one, but even at my level converting winnings to 25K or 100K chips makes the total winnings easy to carry off.
If I take a break they just place a crystal box over my chips if I don't want to color up and carry them.
If I take a break they just place a crystal box over my chips if I don't want to color up and carry them.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 2:17:01 PM
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Quote: MDawgI don't play craps. Why would I, I have no advantage at that game.
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The game is too complicated and fast moving. There are so many parts and plays. I understand why so many can't adjust whereas BJ and baccarat provide gambling simplicity which can be a perfect fit for a majority of patrons regardless of their bankroll or gambling acumen.
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August 8th, 2022 at 2:17:54 PM
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These were all winning chips during a certain point at one casino during my winning run during a trip this year.
I redacted the exact amount and date to prevent jerk offs from investigating to try to unearth the record of the deposit but it was just shy of 400K. All of it obviously was winnings.
I don't normally deposit winning chips but these plus my credit line took me to a higher level of special limits, which I was looking for during that heater. I smashed that casino with winnings during that trip, but it wasn't the only casino where I won.
I redacted the exact amount and date to prevent jerk offs from investigating to try to unearth the record of the deposit but it was just shy of 400K. All of it obviously was winnings.
I don't normally deposit winning chips but these plus my credit line took me to a higher level of special limits, which I was looking for during that heater. I smashed that casino with winnings during that trip, but it wasn't the only casino where I won.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 8th, 2022 at 2:23:53 PM
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The transaction is described so hazily that it is hard to figure what was going on. Just enough details to invite curiosity, but not enough to know what your role was or what was going on.
That may be by design. BTW, who said anything about Vegas?
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 8th, 2022 at 2:28:20 PM
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Quote: tuttigymQuote: MDawgI don't play craps. Why would I, I have no advantage at that game.
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The game is too complicated and fast moving. There are so many parts and plays. I understand why so many can't adjust whereas BJ and baccarat provide gambling simplicity which can be a perfect fit for a majority of patrons regardless of their bankroll or gambling acumen.
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Dont be ridiculous. Craps is also a simple game. You win money when the dice show the numbers you bet on.
It's the layout which is confusing. But once you ignore the layout its simpler than blackjack because no decision making is needed as in blackjack, for example where you draw cards.
August 8th, 2022 at 2:33:09 PM
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When I played craps I just played the line and max odds, and sometimes also placed the 6 and 8. If the table was really hot I would place additional numbers. Wasn't much for other bets, although sometimes to see if I could control the dice I would do hopping bets and amazingly I would hit them most of the times I tried it, but given that I tried it only maybe six times ever and hit it say half the time, I don't think that proved anything.
But still, calling a "5 3 on the hop" and then hitting it was quite a feeling.
Correct Alan, not complicated at all.
But still, calling a "5 3 on the hop" and then hitting it was quite a feeling.
Correct Alan, not complicated at all.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 8th, 2022 at 2:44:58 PM
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Quote: MDawgWhen I played craps I just played the line and max odds, and sometimes also placed the 6 and 8. If the table was really hot I would place additional numbers. Wasn't much for other bets, although sometimes to see if I could control the dice I would do hopping bets and amazingly I would hit them most of the times I tried it, but given that I tried it only maybe six times ever and hit it say half the time, I don't think that proved anything.
But still, calling a "5 3 on the hop" and then hitting it was quite a feeling.
Correct Alan, not complicated at all.
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WOW. Amazing, I am impressed. Are you impressed, Alan? You need to get MDawg to go to the table and follow his lead. You will be rich beyond your wildest dreams. Maybe MDawg can throw say four consecutive Yo's while you parley your bet at least three times.
tuttigym
August 8th, 2022 at 4:08:03 PM
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Considering just dropping in, grabbing the $7K in gift cards without putting in any extra play to double them, and leaving. One night stay just to qualify for the promo, without actually staying, just check in and do not even enter the standard room.
Just sell all or half of the gift cards so that don't need to carry back anything bulky, or buy something small in size with them.
Just sell all or half of the gift cards so that don't need to carry back anything bulky, or buy something small in size with them.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 8th, 2022 at 6:18:21 PM
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Nice profit, MDawg. Can I ask you how many days do you play untill you reach that number and the amount of your unit?
If you don´t want to answer I will understand anyway.
Regards.
If you don´t want to answer I will understand anyway.
Regards.
August 8th, 2022 at 6:24:50 PM
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Quote: MDawgConsidering just dropping in, grabbing the $7K in gift cards without putting in any extra play to double them, and leaving. One night stay just to qualify for the promo, without actually staying, just check in and do not even enter the standard room.
Just sell all or half of the gift cards so that don't need to carry back anything bulky, or buy something small in size with them.
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Let me ask a practical question.
How many times can you show up and claim your gifts and bolt without playing before the axe falls?
And how many times can a "regular player" pull this off before getting the axe?
August 8th, 2022 at 7:10:21 PM
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This last trip I was playing an average of two tournaments per weekend, two different properties. After I had done this just one weekend, and put in zero play at one of the properties, my host put me into the next tournament but mentioned that he would like to see some play over the upcoming weekend. Mentioned it, didn't insist.
In general, when I have multiple promotions overlapping, I just show up, collect/play in the tournament and depart without putting in any play.
About a month later the host at the second property, when putting me into another tournament, mentioned the same thing, because I had played a tournament at that host's property a couple weeks prior and put in zero play.
When I "mentioned back" that I may not have played much (if at all) during the actual tournament weekend, but put in at times heavy play in the days before or after that weekend, at random times, this host said pretty much the same thing as the other host - that the powers that be looked at the play put in over a promotional weekend in deciding whom to invite for the next promotion.
Although I have not been denied entry into any promotions, I was told that if I kept up the zero play during promotions that future invites would be "jeopardized."
As far as free play offers at the top Station Casinos, I noticed that if I just showed up, checked into a room, collected the promo chips, charged up the max of the free resort credit in the hotel, and departed with zero play, after about two such zero play times the offer went down some, but if I put in some solid play, the same offer returned or even increased.
In general, when I have multiple promotions overlapping, I just show up, collect/play in the tournament and depart without putting in any play.
About a month later the host at the second property, when putting me into another tournament, mentioned the same thing, because I had played a tournament at that host's property a couple weeks prior and put in zero play.
When I "mentioned back" that I may not have played much (if at all) during the actual tournament weekend, but put in at times heavy play in the days before or after that weekend, at random times, this host said pretty much the same thing as the other host - that the powers that be looked at the play put in over a promotional weekend in deciding whom to invite for the next promotion.
Although I have not been denied entry into any promotions, I was told that if I kept up the zero play during promotions that future invites would be "jeopardized."
As far as free play offers at the top Station Casinos, I noticed that if I just showed up, checked into a room, collected the promo chips, charged up the max of the free resort credit in the hotel, and departed with zero play, after about two such zero play times the offer went down some, but if I put in some solid play, the same offer returned or even increased.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 8th, 2022 at 7:16:42 PM
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As far as playing two blackjack or baccarat tournaments on the same weekend, I have been able to pull these off because typically I end up advancing at just one of the tournaments. If I advanced at both tournaments I might run into conflict. As well, with these tournaments I have always been able to pick start times that are at least a couple hours apart.
I actually did advance in two tournaments once, but I was able to schedule the second rounds a couple hours apart, and then advanced further to the third round in only one.
One weekend there were two poker tournaments starting at the same time, and I had to choose between them, as poker tournaments just keep going until the last man standing wins, and there is just no way to be in two poker tournaments that start at the same time.
These tournaments range from as few as 40 to as many as a few hundred participants, but are all a good deal because there is no entry fee. At some of the resorts because of my standing they auto-advance me to practically the semi finals, such that all I have to do is advance one or at most two rounds and I am definitely in the money.
If you know what you are doing even if you don't win at the regular tables, as long as you keep your head above water, the promos definitely create an advantage play situation. Winning at the tables on top of all that, makes it even better.
I actually did advance in two tournaments once, but I was able to schedule the second rounds a couple hours apart, and then advanced further to the third round in only one.
One weekend there were two poker tournaments starting at the same time, and I had to choose between them, as poker tournaments just keep going until the last man standing wins, and there is just no way to be in two poker tournaments that start at the same time.
These tournaments range from as few as 40 to as many as a few hundred participants, but are all a good deal because there is no entry fee. At some of the resorts because of my standing they auto-advance me to practically the semi finals, such that all I have to do is advance one or at most two rounds and I am definitely in the money.
If you know what you are doing even if you don't win at the regular tables, as long as you keep your head above water, the promos definitely create an advantage play situation. Winning at the tables on top of all that, makes it even better.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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