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AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2022 at 6:53:51 PM permalink
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You say MDawg claims not to be a long-term player in a thread where he repeatedly discusses fifty and sixty straight days of gambling?

Okay what am I not understanding?
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Perhaps he's playing only five minutes a day?

Let's ask him.

How long does he have to play -- even a Martingale strategy -- to come out $10,000 ahead when he's betting $5000 units?
darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 7:05:14 PM permalink
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Quote: darkoz



You say MDawg claims not to be a long-term player in a thread where he repeatedly discusses fifty and sixty straight days of gambling?

Okay what am I not understanding?
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Perhaps he's playing only five minutes a day?

Let's ask him.

How long does he have to play -- even a Martingale strategy -- to come out $10,000 ahead when he's betting $5000 units?
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I don't need to ask MDawg how long he plays.

MDawg has repeatedly said the comps are based on actual losses of 10% or 35% of Theo.

MDawg had repeatedly said he never gets comped based on actual losses but on Theo.

I guarantee wagering five minutes a day would not achieve the Theo loss that would amount to the comps MDawg claims.

Try again!
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ChumpChange
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May 4th, 2022 at 7:17:01 PM permalink
MDawg was getting rated at $600/hand at one point. Playing alone at a private table for 160 hands would be $96K coin-in with a theo of $960 at 1% times 35% equals $336 comps.
Of course if MDawg lost $25K (~ -40 hands @ $600/hand) he could upgrade his room with a $2,500 comp (a week in the suite), and win it all back the next day.
darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 7:51:21 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

MDawg was getting rated at $600/hand at one point. Playing alone at a private table for 160 hands would be $96K coin-in with a theo of $960 at 1% times 35% equals $336 comps.
Of course if MDawg lost $25K (~ -40 hands @ $600/hand) he could upgrade his room with a $2,500 comp (a week in the suite), and win it all back the next day.
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But that's not the way comps work.

And if they did work like that then when he wins it back they would downgrade him. Certainly casinos wouldn't upgrade on a daily basis and never downgrade on a daily basis.

But even though they call it daily Theo, it's precisely because of the scenario you suggest that it's calculated on a monthly schedule.
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MDawg
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May 4th, 2022 at 8:33:50 PM permalink
First of all, I don't try to discredit DarkOz. Rather, he discredits himself, such as here:
DarkOz discredits himself as to how theo loss and comps are calculated
where he showed that he clearly doesn't quite understand how theo loss is calculated or applied to comps. Now, DarkOz is not the only one who offers imprecise opinions here, but that one was way out - thinking that it would be comp wise beneficial to pretend to book a win where there was actually a loss, because then would get the theo loss calculated comp instead of the actual loss calculated comp. Anyone who has spent any time in a casino playing would know that it is an either ("OR") calculation - you get either 35-40% of theo OR 10% of actual loss, whichever is greater, and that theo is an ongoing tally based on ACTION whose value would not be affected by winning, losing, or drawing. When DarkOz mused that perhaps showing a win would somehow "kick in the theo based comp" instead of the loss based comp, it reflected a great imprecision in understanding how any of this casino comping works.

Still, I wouldn't jump around this forum showing how this or that claimed AP is imprecise in what he says and therefore doesn't know what he is talking about, however, when a claimed AP questions what I am doing, I "retaliate" (like Ordell Robbie in Jackie Brown when he said that he would "sick the junkyard Dawg" lawyer on the opposing side) by pointing out how such and such doesn't even know what a CTR is or so and so doesn't seem to know how comps are calculated, and therefore this person isn't fit to stick his yahzick out a mile and a half to lick the underside of my boots, let alone question my authority on a subject.  😅'

In any case, no one on here is telling exactly how he does it, so why should I? But at least I've been vetted in different ways, as well as witnessed playing and winning. Other than "Chicken McNuggets" and such, that have nothing to do with gaming, has anyone else here accepted and won a challenge related to gaming and the ability to win?










Plus I don't believe you may find even one post I have ever made where I have been flat out wrong about the way things work when it comes to casinos - if I know something, I speak with authority, almost invariably based on personal experience. If I don't know or have no personal experience in the matter, I say nothing.
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darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 8:58:23 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

First of all, I don't try to discredit DarkOz. Rather, he discredits himself, such as here:
DarkOz discredits himself as to how theo loss and comps are calculated
where he showed that he clearly doesn't quite understand how theo loss is calculated or applied to comps. Now, DarkOz is not the only one who offers imprecise opinions here, but that one was way out - thinking that it would be comp wise beneficial to pretend to book a win where there was actually a loss, because then would get the theo loss calculated comp instead of the actual loss calculated comp. Anyone who has spent any time in a casino playing would know that it is an either ("OR") caculation - you get either 35-40% of theo OR 10% of actual loss, whichever is greater, and that theo is an ongojng tally based on ACTION whose value would not be affected by winning, losing, or drawing. When DarkOz mused that perhaps showing a win would somehow "kick in the theo based comp" instead of the loss based comp, it reflected a great imprecision in understanding how any of this casino comping works.

Still, I wouldn't jump around this forum showing how this or that claimed AP is imprecise in what he says and therefore doesn't know what he is talking about, however, when a claimed AP questions what I am doing, I "retaliate" (like Ordell Robbie in Jackie Brown when he said that he would "sick the junkyard Dawg" lawyer on the opposing side) by pointing out how such and such doesn't even know what a CTR is or so and so doesn't seem to know how comps are calculated, and therefore this person isn't fit to stick his yahzick out a mile and a half to lick the underside of my boots, let alone question my authority on a subject.  😅'

In any case, no one on here is telling exactly how he does it, so why should I? But at least I've been vetted in different ways, as well as witnessed playing and winning. Other than "Chicken McNuggets" and such, that have nothing to do with gaming, has anyone else here accepted and won a challenge related to gaming and the ability to win?










Plus I don't believe you may find even one post I have ever made where I have been flat out wrong about the way things work when it comes to casinos - if I know something, I speak with authority, almost invariably based on personal experience. If I don't know or have no personal experience in the matter, I say nothing.
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If you ever end up running the marketing of a casino please let me know. Your inability to understand how and why I understand Theo better than you would allow me to take your casino for millions.
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MDawg
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May 4th, 2022 at 9:05:23 PM permalink
Yes well, it's your nature to keep talking and talking for the sake of talking but the post you made is there for everyone to see, and I'm not the only one who noticed. It will, in fact, become your Epitaph. Dark "doesn't seem to know how comps are calculated" Oz.
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darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 9:29:05 PM permalink
It's interesting you don't seem to understand that Theo does change

Answer this question and we will see how much you understand. (Assume you are being rated in all instances, I e using your players card.)

A) you gamble for four hours and lose nothing. You get comped 35% of theo.

B) you gamble for four hours and lose nothing.

But you also return a week later and make a single wager which you win and then you leave.

You still get comped 35% of your Theo.

Question:. Will you receive the same comps in scenario A as scenario B?

Your claim to understanding how Theo is calculated is on the line here. Answer wrong and you will become a laughing stock

Waiting for your reply.
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MDawg
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May 4th, 2022 at 9:43:21 PM permalink
Far enough but - I'll gladly respond to someone who knows what he is talking about when it comes to comps in general.

To that end, tell me again please,
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so he always makes certain to only have theoretical losses

for purposes of comping why would it be beneficial to make certain to have only theoretical losses? 👌 Your post offered your opinion that by hiding losses one would thereby avoid ever being comp'ed based on actual losses and ensure greater comps. How?? Why?? If at the end of the trip a player would get more comps based on actual loss, that is what he would get. If more based on theo, that is what he would get. So how would hiding losses ensure greater comps, when it would not affect the theo calculation whatsoever, and in some cases might result in greater comps if the loss were high enough.

Your post made it clear that you do not understand that it is an either (OR) situation - where the player gets the greater of one or the other - it also implies that you may not know how theo is calculated - your quaint idea of trying to avoid losses so that the comps will end up higher, shows a clear failure to understand how any of this works.
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darkoz
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May 4th, 2022 at 9:54:13 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Far enough but - I'll gladly respond to someone who knows what he is talking about when it comes to comps in general.



If you can't answer because you don't know the answer just admit you don't know.

To say you only will respond to someone who understands comps is obviously your way of refusing to answer a damn easy question for anyone who understands how comps work. After all, you have already made the claim that very few posters on this forum understand comps so you are just going to keep throwing that out as your answer

The question is so simple that if you refuse to answer you expose yourself for lack of understanding.

Answer the question or be exposed (IMHO you have already exposed yourself. I'm just having fun toying with you now.)
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