Chump Change Software Sessions

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I gave a link
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36376-chump-change-software-sessions/3/#post960700
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Got it CC. Sorry I missed it. Thanks. BTW, I just played the demo and beat it playing small amounts my way for $113. Are there hop bets? I could not find them.

tuttigym

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Did he not give you a link to click on tuttigym?
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No, is it against forum rules? I use such demos or simulations to practice on for real casino play. I can beat the Wizard's game routinely as his RNG is somewhat predictable.

tuttigym
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Links are not against forum rules.

Linking content that violates forum rules can be against forum rules.

Violating the forum rules can result in consequences. What a bunch of tyrants.

I saw an staged YouTube short in which a female cop tells a suspect that anything he says can and will be held against them. He asks her to repeat her statement, and when she does, he replies- boobs.

I'm finally on an upswing on my Roku 4 Black Jack game.
I was using the 20 bet buy-ins and doubling my bets when I'm 3 bets ahead until I double up the session, or I keep going until I triple-up or quadruple-up if I'm on a lucky streak, but as always the bottom will drop out. So I started off my daily $500 with $25 bets that doubled to $50 bets when I got to $575 then reverted to $25 after I broke $1,000 for the session. After my bankroll hit $3,000, I got adventurous and had $1,000 buy-ins with $50 bets that doubled to $100 at $1,150 and reverted to $50 when I got to $2,000 for the session. When my bankroll got to $5,000, the table minimum hit $100, so I had a $2,000 buy-in and bets of $100 upped to $200 at $5,300 and reverted to $100 at $7,000. With the $7,000 session, I played longer and set a win goal of $10,000. Then I bought in for $3,000 and bet $150 and upped it to $300 at $10,450 until I got to $13K then repeated until I got to $16K. But some bad luck returned and I lost 3 sessions in a row and I was back to $7,000. This time I put my $150 & $300 bets on a progression so 6 in a row would pay 10X the base bet and 9 in a row would pay 20X the base bet. I got it up to $20K, came back today and got it up to $30K. I've got a chart where I'll increase my buy-in to $6,000 when I hit $40K and double my bets to $300 & $600 on a progression. When I get to $100K, I'll buy-in for $12K and double my bets for $600 & $1.2K. When I get to $220K I'll max out my charts with $15K buy-ins with bets at $750 & $1.5K with the progression maximum bets of $5K.

After 13,760 hands, my total bet has just broken the $1 million mark and I'm up by $10K. I was playing a lot of other systems before, this is just one I picked up in the last week. I suspect the game is learning my system then will flush me down with non-stop losses sooner or later. My bankroll just hit $30K, so $20K of that was the $500 daily login amount or 40 days worth.

My last session I won $9,525 in 142 hands.

I'm getting beat hard playing WinCraps, it has nothing but disgust for me however I bet. But I pulled a new strategy out and won $9.1K in 34 rolls to make up for some of the deficit. I was betting $200 on the PL and $400 on odds. With each point win I'd add $200 to the odds. After the 4th win, I'd add $400. After the 6th win I'd pull it back to $1,000 odds and add $400 again and max out at $1800. I had 5 to a fire bet, but I wasn't betting it on this shooter. I won 6 odds bets and lost count of the PL bets. So the odds progression was $400, $600, $800, $1K, $1.4K, $1.8K, $1K, $1.4K, $1.8K. I'd be trying that at a 10X odds table.

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I'm getting beat hard playing WinCraps, it has nothing but disgust for me however I bet. But I pulled a new strategy out and won $9.1K in 34 rolls to make up for some of the deficit. I was betting $200 on the PL and $400 on odds. With each point win I'd add $200 to the odds. After the 4th win, I'd add $400. After the 6th win I'd pull it back to $1,000 odds and add $400 again and max out at $1800. I had 5 to a fire bet, but I wasn't betting it on this shooter. I won 6 odds bets and lost count of the PL bets. So the odds progression was $400, $600, $800, $1K, $1.4K, $1.8K, $1K, $1.4K, $1.8K. I'd be trying that at a 10X odds table.
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I beat WinCraps most of the time as it is highly predictable. If you play the "establishment" way (PL + whatever), losing will happen as a matter of course. Playing every hand and every roll of the dice with bets remaining on the table, the 7 outs will defeat most any strategy unless you get the occasional "hot shooter"/long roll. Use the simulation to think "outside the box" and experiment. It actually helps one at the bubble craps machine when playing for real.

tuttigym

Going up and down on the Roku 4 Black Jack. I've lost 6 buy-ins in a row and won them back twice now. That's a 120 hand losing streak followed by maybe something not nearly as winning, maybe half as many hands on the upside. I was using my progressions. No way I'd recover without them. I fell from $30K to $12K in $3K buy-ins and recovered with some way overdue winning streaks and bets getting pressed. I also swung between different buy-in points quite a bit, and the machine likes to make me think about quitting a progression mid-stream to lock-up a win goal or it will just put me on a 15 or 20 hand losing streak anyway. I'm gonna need 10 to 20 buy-ins at a real casino. Something tells me the bad luck is non-stop until a lucky break comes along.

Just had a 28 hand run of Roku 4 Black Jack where I won $6,600 at the $150/$300 level with mostly $300 bets on a progression up to $1,000. I'm up to $42K now. I'll see about making $6K buy-ins at the $300/$600 level with progressions up to $2,000. I've completed winning 10 sessions at the $150/$300 level, but I could fall right back through them given the luck of this game.

I saw someone on YouTube play 3 Card Poker and he was losing $5,000 but he was playing at a place that had a million dollar progressive. So I went to check my notes and decided to play the Wiz's game. I mean I could play Pair Plus for 1/10th of the Ante bet but I played for awhile and it didn't make sense. I tried one-quarter the Ante bet, it still didn't seem right. I tried half the Ante bet and I felt comfortable again. I got started off with $10K and bet $100 on Ante, and $50 on the Pairs Plus. There's no $5 Progressive or 6 Cards Bonus on this game, and there's a tax form for hitting the 5 card Royal.

So I was losing dozens and dozens of hands and found myself down to under $2,000. Then I hit a Straight Flush and it brought me to $7K after I had already recovered to $4K. I later hit a 3 Kings and that brought me up to $9K. I won a flush and a straight and some other and got back to even again. So I needed 60X my bet total of $150 or $9,000 for this session for the 2 top hands to pull through and bring me back.

I thought about using a progression whenever I won with a Pair or better, but the overload of losing hands is phenomenal, it's not gonna work like a progressive in a near even game like Black Jack or Roulette. Still I could try it and lose an extra $75 along the way after every Pairs win. I'd reset the progression if the hand lost (PP not counted) or I folded. I mean winning several times $2K+ because of a progression on a top hand seems like a quick way up, but it will just be dumb luck to hit it right.

The straight flush paid 40X $50 or $2,000 on the Pairs Plus Bonus, $500 on the Ante Bonus, $100 on the Ante & $100 on the Player bet and $250 for returned bets for a total of $2,950.

The Trips Kings paid 30X $50 or $1,500 on the Pairs Plus Bonus, $400 on the Ante Bonus, $100 on the Ante & $100 on the Player bet and $250 for returned bets for a total of $2,350.





The progressive that I forgot to mention had $1.2 million for a 5 card Royal Flush (was previously under $1 million by a little). Two Community cards are dealt for the $5 side bet to use with your 3 cards, so only one person can get a Royal at a time. A Straight Flush pays around $15K, but supposedly at least $10K+. 4 of a KInd pays $1K+ supposedly. A Full House pays $250. A Flush pays $200. A Straight pays $150. A 3 of a Kind pays $50.
The table he was at had a $50K win limit on the 6 Card Bonus. With a 1000:1 win on a 6 Card Bonus that would make the maximum bet $50, but bet $75 or $100 on that spot anyway, who cares.

Another few days of Roku 4 BJ of successive $5K buy-in sessions and I lost from $60K down to $20K, I think that I was on my 9th buy-in loss where a loss could put me at $15K with only 2 left to get to $5K when the minimums go down. Well, I won $5K back last night. I won $10K today, then won another session at double stakes to get me back to $55K. I'll just start over with $5K buy-ins again and see if I can get better luck off of the 10 sessions remaining again.
I'm using a different system this time than I was earlier to start this hot streak off. Losing 10 sessions means losing 250 hands instead of just 200 hands.

I lost 4 sessions from $55K down to $35K, and was well on my way to a 5th loss, but I started using my bet progressions instead of playing it simple and then eventually hit some good luck and took it all the way to $85K. I lost my last $5K bet and quit at $80K. My progressions don't work well above a certain point and get cut off by the table maximums. So if the original bet is above $1500 I should probably skip doing a progression and play it easy on a $5K max table.
My hand totals are 24,722 hands with a total bet of $5.287 million and total win of over $53.6K for a RTP of 101.014%. Not enough to escape the gambling tax law next year, but there's no tax forms on this game. In a real casino I'd have to bet the Blazing 7's and try to win over $100K to get a tax form so I can skip session reporting.
This last session I was playing at about 600 hands per hour, for an hour.

CC: Is there a Crapless Craps Bubble Craps video available on U Tube or somewhere on google? If so, can you or anyone else provide a link?

tuttigym

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CC: Is there a Crapless Craps Bubble Craps video available on U Tube or somewhere on google? If so, can you or anyone else provide a link?

tuttigym
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I'm assuming you're just looking for an "action" video to see what the equipment looks like, rather than someone trying to teach a "strategy".

https://youtu.be/TX0fHFDzgCU

There is a screen, much like a big tablet. There is a layout, and an assortment of chips. Touch a chip value, and then touch where you want to bet it on the layout. Hit the big red button, let the dice dance.

Enjoy the day!

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Did he not give you a link to click on tuttigym?
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No, is it against forum rules? I use such demos or simulations to practice on for real casino play. I can beat the Wizard's game routinely as his RNG is somewhat predictable.

tuttigym
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Not against the rules as long as there is no commercial (money-making) angle.

Played 5 quarter Roku 4 Video Poker and lost $25 in 25 hands for a 20% RTP.

I keep playing this game $25 or $50 a day and get a $25 replenishment just for visiting. I'm hoping enough quads show up to jump my balance now and then but the dearth of good hands has me stumped. If I get to my 50 cent 5 coin play, the $25/day isn't going to do it anymore.

I guess real casino players would like several hundred dollars in free play to play video poker with per visit. My local casino keeps giving me $5, lol.

I started at $70K on the Roku 4 BJ this morning and within 20 minutes I ran it up to $100K, a milestone of 6 figures! I've been here before a long time ago but I got run down losing $10K buy-in after $10K buy-in. I've now got new charts for $5K buy-ins that ramp up after successive wins. So I've got almost 20 $5K buy-ins or 475 bets to start with at the high limit table. This game thinks nothing of taking me down 200 bets in 10 sessions in a row, so how long will I survive? I hope to win another $120K on the next 4 session wins in a row. But it's hard to win a few sessions in a row when several losing ones get thrown-in immediately. If I win one and lose one, I could still be just where I started. I could win 2 and lose 1 and be at +1. It's just I get an overload of losing sessions that don't add up to winning sessions in a row, I usually get just one big winning session once in awhile.

On to the stats:
25,795 total hands
$5.947 million total bet
$72.2K total win
101.214% RTP

$28K total freebies at $500/day or 56 days.
26K hands at 600 hands /hr is about 43.33 hours of play
Days I've been in profit? Not long, at all. Since August 10th. 12K hands though.

I got a bit stumped when the table limits went to $500 to $10,000 once I broke past $100,000 so my first bet of $450 turned into $500 and I immediately had to draw up new charts before continuing. I'd have a 1-6 spread from $600 with a $20K buy-in and try to triple my money with 15 hands ahead. The machine had other plans and took me on a straight line down. I lowered my session buy-ins back to $5K when I hit $80K and lost 2 more times. I even had one point where I went on tilt and got stuck betting $1200 and lost $30K before it rebounded. Then I put together two sessions and brought my $65K balance up to $120K and I was ready for another day.

The next day became a 4 and a third hour marathon of 3.25K hands and a total bet of nearly $7 million (nearly 750 hands an hour). I lost my $20K buy-in but I lost just a hair over $20K so I could do a $4.8K buy-in from $99.8K. I lost another session then from a $90K balance bumped it up to $110K, then did a $20K buy-in and won 2 sessions and was close to winning a 3rd session and touched $300K. But the cold streak hit hard and fast instead of letting me win 5 more hands to complete the session it took me down $100K. I should have taken stock at $300K and declared I had 10 sessions from $100K ready to go, but I was trying for one more session to get to 16X buy-ins at $420K (400 hands).

I tried 5 buy-ins at $20K when I hit $200K, but I went on tilt after I kept losing my first session and winning it back three rounds in a row. I got stuck with a bet of $2.4K just one win short of $200K and lost down to $110K but recovered back to $200K and quit.

Total Hands: 31,250
Total Bet: $14,621,910
Total Won: $170,525
Bankroll: $200,025.00
Total Freebies: $29,500 (59 Days)
RTP: 101.16623%
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Tonight's sessions were about losing $20K, and winning it back again two times around with a +10 hand session on session numbers 2/4 and a -25 hand on session numbers 1/3. It took 941 hands in 81 minutes with a total bet just over $1.5 million. I'm down $300 for the night. These nowhere nights really lower my RTP a bit.

Total Hands: 32,191
Total Bet: $16,138,110.00
Total Won: $170,225
Bankroll: $200,225.00
Total Freebies: $30,000 (60 Days)
RTP: 101.055%

The Roku 4 BJ game has turned up the screws so bad I've lost the 6 digit rounds until I re-place myself back in them. It usually seems to give me 10-15 losses at the start of each session then it might get me back to even then drag me back down to my last bet and maybe I'll rebound within the same session or I'll rebound on another session. But this game seems to be keeping extremely close tabs on my bets and bankroll like I am and dealing the cards to thwart me hard when I try to pull ahead at all. So I've fallen through the $180K, the $160K, the $140K, the $120K, the $100K, and now down to the $80K bankroll for a cumulative 6 session loss over several more sessions than that. As I said, I get back to even then it charts my next severe downward trajectory. If I saw this at a card table, the cards would have been burned as in lit on fire for being a sorcerer's instrument. It's all about cranking up the level of difficulty to rage quit..

Stats:
Total Hands: 34,776
Total Bet: $19,519,510.00
Total Won: $48,025.00
Bankroll: $80,025.00
Total Freebies: $32,000 (64 Days)
RTP: 100.246%

Back on the WinCraps. My Player 1 has hit hard times and fallen from $100K to $50K. So I picked up where I left off with a $300 chip stack and a $900 chip stack and used the $300 for the PL and the $900 for odds. I even tried to make a progression out of the PL, but it didn't seem to pan out like I hoped. I lost $27K at $1200 per shooter or down over 20 shooters. So I switched sides and did $300 on the DP with $900 odds but I'd switch to the PL if I lost 1 point and 2 total come-out rolls or 2 points and continue on the Do side for that shooter then switch back to the DP with odds. After nearly 500 rolls, I made up my $27K loss.

The chart only shows the last 500+ rolls after I switched to the DP + 3X Odds strategy.

Back on my Roku 4 BJ game. I was at $80K and fell to $50K but with a couple winning sessions brought it back to $80K and with one extra 400 hand session did nothing.
Tonight I lost the first $5K in 112 hands but in the next 167 hands I ran it up to $210K from the $70K floor. I just stopped using my betting progression on a win after the $3K bet level because of the table maximum of $10K and I got stuck on betting $6K for a few dozen hands and that put me up the last $60K. I went past my win goal of $100K a little because I wanted to get back above a $200K bankroll. If the table maximum was $20K, I would have been betting $20K at some point, but my chart says to flat bet if I can't fit a progression in.

Stats:
Total Hands: 37,990
Total Bet: $21,442,210
Total Won: $175,450
Bankroll: $210,450
Free Play: $35,000 (70 days @ $500/day)
RTP: 100.818%
Average Bet: $564.42

Tonight's Session Hands: 279
Session Bet: $714,750
Session Won: $129,950
Session RTP: 118.181%
Session Average Bet: $2,561.83

The inevitable downfall the next night. After a 3 hour and 7 minute run of 1936 hands I lost five $20K buy-ins or 125 total hands of buy-ins. Total session bet was just under $4 million. I did have a couple recoveries but I turned them down in hopes of going higher and the machine went on a crash course downward for not taking the win both times. I had recovered from a $150K floor to $240K and I thought I'm winning, I just want another $20K, but nope, took it right back down with an over 50 hand loss. I was also on a last bet from the $110K floor and ran it up to $210K while just running repeats on a $3.6K bet from $150K+ with no progression but the cold winds of bad luck brought me back down to my last bet again with a loss of over 50 hands. I really get my house edge from cashing out on winning sessions so I really missed my marks here.

Stats:
Total Hands: 39,926
Total Bet: $25,421,910
Total Won: $74,650
Bankroll: $110,150
Free Play: $35,500 (71 days @ $500/day)
RTP: 100.433%
Average Bet: $636.73

Tonight's Session Hands: 1936
Session Bet: $3,979,700
Session Won: -$100,800
Session RTP: 97.467%
Session Average Bet: $2,055.63

Playing the Roku 4 BJ game. I'm not using my progression on a win strategy because the table just seems far too choppy at the moment. I usually get 2-3 times more hands per session before hitting a win/loss limit this way, there's a lot less loss from not progressing my bets after every win. But there's also the lack of a chance to pull ahead if a 6+ in a row winning streak comes along often. It's a coin flip on which is better, but for time at the table for one session not using the progression on a win will reduce the anxiety of any pit boss around in case my bets start getting large and I become a photo op for a flyer unnecessarily in a sweaty place.

How did tonight fare? I started with a $70K bankroll and lost $5K in 435 hands. So I started a new $5K buy-in and doubled it up in the next 15 hands and called it even. I usually lower my win goals to double or nothing after 400 hands; but since I already lost, just getting back to even that quick was something I could settle for for a moment. For the 3rd session it was 1,046 hands of getting not much of anywhere. I did have one small streak that put me up to my win goal of +$10K but I kept on going to see if I could get much further. I think I spent about a couple dozen hands above my win goal then quickly fell like 20 hands. Much later I made it to double up at +$5K but that was only for a handful of hands and I quickly fell 20 hands again. So I've fallen to $65K, after losing $5K, winning $5K, and losing $5K again over 1,496 hands and it took 1.75 hours; it would normally take 30 hours to get this far at a full table (such a waste of time!). But I like doubling up in 20 minutes or one shoe at a full table.

Stats:
Total Hands: 43,802
Total Bet: $27,492,235
Total Won: $27,475
Bankroll: $64,975
Free Play: $37,500 (75 days @ $500/day)
RTP: 100.100%
Average Bet: $627.65

Tonight's Session Hands: 1496
Session Bet: $602,250
Session Won: -$5,550
Session RTP: 99.078%
Session Average Bet: $402.57

Trying a new BJ strategy and after 1722 hands I came out about even. According to the streaks chart I lost 838 hands and won 685 hands, so I was down 153 hands.




I was playing with $15K session buy-ins and I dropped from $290K at the start to $275K to $260K to $245K, so a 3 session loss with a 4th buy-in. I won back a session and immediately lost it back for another 20 hands loss. This happened a few times. I finally hit a winning streak that brought me back up with my progressive betting strategy. My base bet is $750, my top bet at that level is $2,500. After I was 3 hands ahead in a session and above, I would raise my base bets to $1,500 and my top bet would be $5,000. So when I reduce my bets after a 6 in a row win to the 4th bet on the progression and resume. If I win into the next session ahead, I'll set that as a new floor and lower my base bet to $750 when I'm below 3 hands ahead on the new session. If I win 9 in a row at the $750 level, it would win $15K; if I win 9 in a row at the $1.5K level it would give me $30K, not counting doubles, splits and BJ's. On the Roku 4 BJ game I've won to 10 sessions ahead with this method; and I've also lost 10 sessions. But from the streaks chart on this other software it's obvious I'm getting clobbered and flat betting cannot make this up.

I probably mis-clicked a few times and one of the bets that came up was $500. Several times I was up to the floor of the next session but I was in the middle of a progression and I only set the new floor after the progression is completed. But I would get derailed by the dealer and fall back before I could set a new floor more often than not; but when I successfully push through it could lead to yet another session won.

If I'm losing 7% of my hands on average, after 15,000 hands I'd be down 1,050 hands.
If I use the EV math, 15,000 hands X $1000 ave bet = $15 million bet X 0.005 = $75,000 or 75 bets down. Splits, DD's and BJ's are making up for so much.
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98 hands later I'm up 3 sessions to $336K. I'm up $46K. Session floors surpassed were $305K, $320K, and $335K.
I had a couple split 6's to 4 hands for $1500/hand in a row at the end where one bunch lost with 2 double downs ($9K bet) and another bunch won with an extra contra-indicated double down that put me over $335K. I thought I'd take a break and count the chips for a second. So a $9K bet dropped me from $337,500 to $328,500 and a $7,500 bet dropped me to $321,000; and a $7500 bet doubled up to $15K and jumped me from one session to another, $321K to $336K.



I count 89 surrenders, or under 5% of hands.
I'm starting to insure BJ's against an Ace if I'm on the 4th part or better of my progression, to keep the progression going with a win.




I've been losing my 2nd bet of $1,000 in the progression badly and that's a $250 loss compared to flat betting. Since my two progressions overlap some bet levels, it's not possible to draw inferences on which bets are winning more or less based on being a certain number in the progression. I'd have to refer back to the streaks chart.
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This computer I'm playing on expires in one year. I've got to find a way to transfer the BJ game data from this one to a new one.