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February 15th, 2022 at 11:37:41 PM permalink
I tried to play Spanish 21 Veriite with a $40K buy-in, and the game took me down to my last bet, plus one for a split or double down or something, then it sent me on a winning streak all the way up over $280K. My mistake for not picking that as a stopping point and breaking it up into two $40K buy-ins above a $200K balance. I lost back down to $210K quickly and jumped off that train and called it a $10K buy-in and lowered my bets 75%. I won back up to $220K, and called it two $10K buy-ins. I then lost both for a 50 hand loss on top of the 15 hand loss at the $40K level.

Tonight, I started with $200K, I lose a $10K buy-in after 501 hands,(first pair of charts). Actually, I lost $5K right off the bat, won back to $210K and called it a new session, but I lost that, and lost a second session at $190K.

I started another $10K buy-in at $190K (second pair of charts), then I started to win back and got to $210K (+$20K), and called it a new session with a $10K buy-in. I've been playing for hours and it totaled 867 hands, but I won another $100K, so I'm up to $312K.

The first chart is to show the percentage of hands I was winning at different bet levels when I lost the first $10K tonight.



The second pair of charts shows the percentage of hands I was winning on the winning session, and the graph of my win trajectory. I think double downs, splits, and double downs on splits that total over the max amount in the chart are included on the next to bottom line of this chart. There were plenty of different bets between $1K & $8K, the chart just doesn't show them or figures them oddly, like any bet not on the other lines counts as a >$8K even though it may not be. I certainly did not have 228 bets over $8K, so they must be the extras that don't fit into the upper bet levels shown.
I did have the table limits set to $25 to $25K, but my maximum bet was only $10K.





I've got 31 sessions of 25 bet buy-ins, for a total of 775 bets left. I could change that to over 1500 bets left, but I'd have to lower my buy-ins on the way down. My chart says I should win to $700K before I double my buy-in to $20K.
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March 17th, 2022 at 2:27:46 PM permalink
Odd comeback in Spanish 21:
Dealer gets a 6. I get Ace, 2, so I double my $400 bet to $800; I draw another Ace, so I double to $1,600 and draw a 6. My total is 10 or 20. If I draw one more card, I win a 5 card hand automatically. So I double to $3200, and win! My session balance went from $4,500 to $1,300 on the bets, then back up to $7,700 on the win.

I also got three 6 of spades for 18 on two hands 6 hands apart. If it can happen with 6's, it can happen with 7's.
I don't have the home game set up to pay me different blackjack amounts based on hands with 6-7-8 or 7-7-7, or I would be more ahead.

On a later hand I was betting $900 and got dealt a 7, 2 against a 6, so I doubled and got another 2, then doubled again to $3600 and drew a 10 for 21 and won. I had $11,900, then with bets was down to $8,300, on the win I'm up to $15,500.

I was betting $1,800 and had to split 6's against a 6 and drew an Ace on each one. I doubled on each one and won both. So I had $23,400 then bet $7,200 that put me down to $16,200, then won $14,400 and put me up to $30,600.

I started a huge session over 2700 hands ago and I finally got back to even, so I'll start a new session and put $20K back into the bank and start with $10K. I was up over $60K earlier but what goes up comes down even faster. I'm now at $300,600. I really should try to wrap up these sessions before 2,000 hands are played.

I can't double down against any 10's or Aces because the dealer doesn't check for BJ until after I'm done with the hand. If I did a split I'd lose both hands to a BJ. But, I never have to insure my BJ against an Ace because I've already won. (Dealer hits on soft 17's.)

I'm detecting a glitch in the game where if I double down, don't like the card, so I hit again (instead of redoubling down), on the next hand I only get options to double down or surrender; and the hit & stand & split buttons are locked/missing.
There's a stopwatch in the game that counts how long I'm playing per sitting. The other day it got past 5 hours and after a horrendous play involving splits and double downs and big losses, the stopwatch changed its display to -86,400 seconds and counted down to -86,340 then went straight back to -86,400 and counted down again. It kept doing that. It's either a sign that I've been 86'ed from the casino or time has come to a near complete stop in the twilight zone.


Well, I lost my new $10K session in 401 hands, but at least it wasn't 50 to 150 hands. 8 hands later I won $10K back so I'll put that extra $10K marker back in the paid off section.
125 hands later I was down to $2,300 and I had a double, redouble, redouble hand that took me to -$100, but I won it so I'm back at $4,700.

Wound up with a split hand where dealer had a 4, I split Aces, got a 6 on one & doubled $450 and got a 10 for a 17; the other hand I had A, 3, double to $900, got a 3, double to $1,800, got a 2, double to $3,600, got a 10 for a 19, and the dealer busted. So one hand won $900 & the other won $3,600 for a total of $4,500 on top of the $4,500 bet returned. So my session balance of $6,275 was dragged down to $1,775 on the bets, but I win back $9,000 so I'm at $10,775.

I'm at $15,025 and the dealer had a Queen, I got dealt 3, Ace, drew a couple of Aces, so I had a 4 card 6, so I could double $1,200 and drew a 3, and doubled to $4,800 and drew an Ace, and doubled to $9,600 and drew an 8. The dealer beat me but it didn't matter because I had an automatic winner. My session balance fell to $5,425 on the bets, but I won back $19,200 so I'm up to $24,625! I'll pay off another $10K marker.


I was at $63,625 and betting $4,500 and I got some low cards against a 2. I got 2, Ace, 2, Ace, and I doubled to $9K and drew a 2 so my total was 7, so I doubled again to $18K and drew a 3. I hit the double button again but my hand was over before I knew what happened and the log does not show a final card. I hit the table limit and it would not let me bet $36K so I didn't get the card so I automatically won $18K. So my $18K bet took me down to $45,625 and the $36K win brought me to $81,625.


I was at $78,625 and betting $6,000 and I got some low cards against a 10. I got 2, 3, Ace, 2, then I doubled to $12K and drew a 2 for a total of 10, so I doubled one more time to $24K ($1K under the table max) and drew an 8. The bet dragged me down to $54,625, but the win puts me at $102,625 for the session!


I had to split Aces under the duress of a Dealer Ace that may or may not be a Black Jack. I was playing my progression on a win from $6K bets and in the photo below, I got caught betting $20K on each split. But I won them! Note it was the last hand of the shoe.



I was having whiplash luck betting at my top betting levels but I let it go on to see where it would lead. Remember, this game has no problem losing 75 hands ASAP. But I found a general uptick and doubled my bankroll from $300K to over $600K. I would have quit at $410K and booked a $100K win and start over with another $10K buy-in. Below is a graph of my general win trend, and a summary results chart. Bets >$6K may include bets not listed between $1K and $6K.



My "normal hands" & surrenders are near sure losers! Ouch!!!
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March 18th, 2022 at 8:47:39 AM permalink
Quote: I was at $63,625 and betting $4,500 and I got some low cards against a 2. I got 2, Ace, 2, Ace, and I doubled to $9K and drew a 2 so my total was 7, so I doubled again to $18K and drew a 3. I hit the double button again but my hand was over before I knew what happened and the log does not show a final card. I hit the table limit and it would not let me bet $36K so I didn't get the card so I automatically won $18K. So my $18K bet took me down to $45,625 and the $36K win brought me to $81,625.

Unquote: I was at $63,625 and betting $4,500 and I got some low cards against a 2. I got 2, Ace, 2, Ace, and I doubled to $9K and drew a 2 so my total was 8, so I doubled again to $18K and drew a 3, and my total was 11/21. This game ends my hand automatically if I have a 21. So I did hit the double button again but it didn't go through because I was already at 21, but even if I was at 10/20 the hand would be over because it wouldn't let me bet over the table limit of $25K. So my $18K bet took me down to $45,625 and the $36K win brought me to $81,625.

My local casinos don't allow redoubling from what I've read and I don't know if 5-7 card hands are automatic winners as long as I don't bust. But this is just a very odd way to beat this game and I hope to see it.

Also I can't believe I made 626 bets at $6K and I didn't get anywhere but break even by the end of the session. I was up over 40 times $6K on my high level bets, so my bets over $6K put me ahead (but many of those bets were less than $6K so it's hard to differentiate the two). And why would 50 $400 bets at a 46.00% win rate break even while 626 $6K bets at a 41.85% win rate break even also? If I was over $80K ahead in the session, my base bet was $6K, then there's the progression on a win.
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April 6th, 2022 at 3:17:58 AM permalink
I finally got a winning streak on the Roku 3 BJ game tonight. I had a bankroll of $2,000 (two $1,000 sessions). I lost the first buy-in, then went to the 2nd buy-in and I was down to $300, like usual. But I won to over $11K, so I divvied up the bankroll into two $4K buy-ins and three $1K buy-ins, so I'd have 125 bets left. I lost the $11K down to $7K, and lost the $7K down to just about $3K but then a winning streak kicked in again. I got to over $10K again, then $20K, then $30K, $40K, even $50K! I lost it back to $15K, but then came another winning streak and I topped $50K and went on to $75K, lost to $40K again, but finally won to $100K. At $100K the table limits change from $100-$5K to $500-$10K. I played 2,469 hands for the night. So my next session will be a $20K buy-in, and I'll still have 20 buy-ins for $4K, or 525 bets left.
I was down $29,500 from the free money the game gives me daily ($500/day that I log in). Now I'm in the plus column at $70,605 ahead. Total bet of $4,470,185 over 26,369 hands equals an average bet of just under $170 per hand. I still say this game is totally rigged. I've got a +1.58% return going on right now, instead of the ever present negative return since I was $10K behind.

I would have normally quit at over $40K, but I thought I'd see how far I could take this. It could have ended up back at $0 in a hurry, but the machine relented. I accidently logged out when my bankroll was $30K, so I played 416 hands since then with a session bet of $1,124,800 and a session win of $69,500 and a session time of 1:15:40; so average bet per hand was about $2,700. I was playing my top betting levels for most of the session. I found a photo where I logged out with 2,053 hands and a session bet of $623,315, and a session won of $28.5K and a total time of 3:44:21, so that must have been the other part of tonight's activity. Average bet in that session was just over $300. So together there were 2,469 hands, total bet of $1,748,115, a total session time of 5 hours and 1 second, and an average bet of $708 per hand, and playing a hand on average every 7.29 seconds.

I was coming back from nearly 900 hands behind. I don't know how long 325 hands ahead will last if that kind of bad luck keeps up.
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April 10th, 2022 at 8:24:36 PM permalink
The Roku 3 BJ game continues to wear me down hard. I lost the $20K session in 202 hands so I was down to $80K. I played another 190 hands and lost a $4K session. I played another 216 hands and lost a 2nd $4K session. I played 283 hands and lost $4.5K (after midnite and got a free $500). I played 23 hands and won $2K, so that put me back at $70K. I played 666 hands and won $9,999 to bring me back to $80K; I was up above $90K but I couldn't reach $100K.

Next day: I played 1,101 hands and lost two $4K sessions. By 2,430 hands it was a 3rd session loss; and by 2,889 hands it was a 4th session loss. That's 5 hours and 52 seconds of play with $1.3 million bet and a $16K loss.

Tonight: I played 1,992 hands and lost a $4K session that put me at $60K. By 2,092 hands I lost a 2nd session; and by 3,005 hands I lost a 4th session so down $16K again! I'm now at $48K. That's 4 hours 49 minutes & 49 seconds to bet just about $1.025 million.

I did have a few times where I'm almost on my last bet of the session and I cleared to $10K (or +$6K). But this machine knows my buy-ins too. I got to $4K ahead, and then it went on a long losing streak to end the session. I could have just started a new session right then and there, but the endless losing streaks on this game cannot be the norm anywhere, but I will be proven wrong in the future when these live streamers lose their 25 bet buy-ins in 100 hands or less.

So I'm down 25 + 100 + 100 = 225 bets from $100K (-$52K) in 12.5+ hours of play in 1,580 + 2,889 + 3,005 = 7,474 hands. At a full table, that'd take me 150 hours at 50 hands/hour.
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April 14th, 2022 at 11:03:14 PM permalink
Back to my Spanish 21 on the demo version of Casino Verite:
I was on hand 2132 of the session that got me to $610K. By hand 2401 I was at $710K. Table limits of $25-$25K. $10K mini-session buy-in, which looks like it will be my max buy-in at these table limits, but maybe not.

I'm gonna change the table limits to $500-$25K so that gets rid of my $5 & $25 chips. I made an odd bet so the last 3 digits in my bankroll are either 000, 250, 500 or 750, but then I surrender or get a BJ and that gets messed up anyway. I'm starting with a $40K session buy-in, in hopes of winning to $440K. So I got started at $740K and I hope to get to $1,140,000 sometime.

692 hands later, I lost my $40K session. I was near my last 0-10 hands for way too long here. The graph below shows only two spikes into profit that was quickly taken back.


52 hands later I won the $40K back on a new session, so I'll end this session and start over at $740K.


153 hands later, I lost the $40K again, I'm back at $700K.


171 hands later, I lost another $40K to bring me down to $660K. I almost made it back to $740K early on, but not quite.


90 hands later, I won $80K to get back to $740K.


545 hands later, I'm up $100K at $840K, so I'll start a new $40K session there next time, after I go to bed. The game is being exceptionally cute, but my video card died awhile back so I can't record the gameplay. I've been at this post for 6.5 hours, so that's likely it with a 12 hour limit.
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May 24th, 2022 at 12:08:38 AM permalink
I played on my Spanish 21 game and broke the million dollar bankroll mark. I had a $40K buy-in at $840K. The game started cancelling hands and losing my bets and losing my winning bets near the start and it put me back a bit. Maybe my anti-virus emergency installer was interfering with the program. I slowly gained traction on the upswing. I got to over a million dollars then in the middle of a -$100K losing streak I hit a hand where I doubled and redoubled and wound up with a 12 and redoubled on that and drew a face card and lost $48K and that sent me back to about where I started with my buy-in, so I had to start winning all over again.
About 200 hands later I finished the session as planned, ahead $400K+.



I had a few 6 in a row winning streaks that seem to make up the vast majority of my winnings in this session.


A $16K hand got redoubled to $64K, and I had to clear $128K of chips away after the win.



I got a screenshot at $999,000 & $1,000,000





I tried to bet more than the table max of $25K, I couldn't make it happen. But if I double down, split, or redouble down, more than $25K can be bet.
A $25K bet could be split to 4 hands and doubled down on for a total bet of $200K, and a win of $200K, so $400K of chips need to be swept away to my chip stack.
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May 28th, 2022 at 9:39:21 PM permalink
So I'm posting my totals charts on my BJ/Spanish 21 game (I changed it in the middle to Spanish 21 somewhere and kept it there). I've made the most winnings in the Spanish 21 mode with the doubling & redoubling and 5 card 21's and unders being automatic wins and 6 & 7 & 8 card 21's and unders allowed. My local casinos have no mention of these Spanish 21 rules about redoubling or 5 card wins and the tables are rarely open.
In the charts below, the totals for >$24,000 are to include all bets above $70.
Since there's only a handful of hands above a 9 in a row winning streak, I'll scale back my progressions to 7 or 9 in a row in the future. My current 11 in a row progression could be scaled back to 8 in a row, and sustaining at the maximum bet of the progression past 8 wins until a loss, pushes don't count.
A 6:5 BJ would have cut my profits nearly in half, so stay away from those tables.
Average win rates are just averages, they can be much lower than average a lot of the time during various sessions or bet levels.







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