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TigerWu
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July 8th, 2016 at 9:37:39 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

This is an interesting scam.
.....
It's coercing people to go gamble normally, but owe you a rake on their winnings. Pretty messed up!



It sounds like a take on the "perfect prediction" scam.

http://skepdic.com/perfectprediction.html
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July 8th, 2016 at 10:26:42 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

It sounds like a take on the "perfect prediction" scam.

http://skepdic.com/perfectprediction.html

It's a pretty basic and old scam... It's just free rolling off people playing by getting them to believe you had some effect in the outcome via some 'system' or whatever.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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July 8th, 2016 at 10:30:28 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I am hearing from third parties who have been in email discussions with him that this is in fact a scam. I strongly caution any members who were considering "working" with letswin to be extremely wary if you are continuing to correspond with him. More details expected soon. Thank you.

A 'strong caution' to be 'extremely wary' is always good advise, not just when joining a gambling team.
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July 8th, 2016 at 11:14:24 AM permalink
Having spoke to a few members on here who have been in contact with him I seem to have a grasp on how his system works.

PM me if you are interested. I offer my take on how it works for free.

If certain people on here are fine with me discussing it publicly I will too. Particularly those who I have already discussed it with and the mods.
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July 8th, 2016 at 11:57:10 AM permalink
Met with him at resorts world. Since hes banned, Im sure it doesnt matter what I post about his system.

He uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked. Couldve been luck. I offered to use my own money, but, He says he will give me a bankroll to play with and expects thirty percent at the end of the day.

Im not going to do it because im going to try to figure out the "flaw" on my own. And I dont feel comfortable using anyone elses money. If I lose money trying to figure it out on my own? Oh well. But playing and giving up 30 percent is not my thing.
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:26:56 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

He uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked.


Isn't that considered cheating in most or all states?
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:34:04 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Isn't think considered cheating in most or all states?


Good call.
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:44:31 PM permalink
I see people sit and text using baccarat programs, files, the works on their cell phones. Casino personell never say anything when the player is using these things at the digital baccarat machines.
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:47:14 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Met with him at resorts world. Since hes banned, Im sure it doesnt matter what I post about his system. .



Interesting that you joined here the day after he was banned.
May I ask how you ever got to meet him or know about him?
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:53:32 PM permalink
Through a friend. We have been trying to figure out what his system is for a while.
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:55:05 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Through a friend. We have been trying to figure out what his system is for a while.


And you REALLY don't get it yet? WOW!
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:59:15 PM permalink
Im a programmer myself. If he can figure out a way to exploit some machine so can I.

I will give the information away if i figure it out. After I make money off of it first myself.
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:59:36 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Met with him at resorts world. Since hes banned, Im sure it doesnt matter what I post about his system.

He uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked. Couldve been luck. I offered to use my own money, but, He says he will give me a bankroll to play with and expects thirty percent at the end of the day.

Im not going to do it because im going to try to figure out the "flaw" on my own. And I dont feel comfortable using anyone elses money. If I lose money trying to figure it out on my own? Oh well. But playing and giving up 30 percent is not my thing.

RNG IN LIVE CARDS? Suspicious.

using a phone or whatever isn't cheating but hacking is.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 8th, 2016 at 1:19:40 PM permalink
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July 8th, 2016 at 1:22:42 PM permalink
The video baccarat machines are digital and use an rng. Its dealt from an infinite mock shoe. Or a digital computer

I know I can crack em too!
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July 8th, 2016 at 1:29:19 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Im a programmer myself. If he can figure out a way to exploit some machine so can I.

I will give the information away if i figure it out. After I make money off of it first myself.

Lets assume this is real. Lets assume the guy gives you money to play.


I assume this guy is using a computer from a remote location, I'm 99.99% you can't use a computer or device to help you play a game. Are the laws significantly diffrent in NY from NV laws? You can't even use your phone to look up a strategy in NV.

So yes, I can see why he would want a patsy in the casino.

It's strange that he would advertise on a public forum especially when someone like you could just come on the forum and expose it. Why not just have friends and family do it? Oh ya, perhaps he doesn't want them going to jail. Perhaps he's safely in some other country and that's why he has taken to the internet to advertise. Hes made millions already but now hes just getting greedy. I can't believe the casino hasn't noticed millions missing. What's to keep someone from calling the casino or the state gaming commission and have them be on the look out for people texting at the baccarat machines now?

Something just isn't right.
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July 8th, 2016 at 1:37:11 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

The video baccarat machines are digital and use an rng. Its dealt from an infinite mock shoe. Or a digital computer

I know I can crack em too!

I assumed they used this http://www.interblockgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/RWNY9-300x225.jpg
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 8th, 2016 at 2:00:24 PM permalink
On the east coast and the west coast? You can use your cell phone to do anything you want while sitting at the digital video baccarat machines. Its considered a slot machine to them. The cards are dealt from an infinite mock deck and use an rng to decide the valueof each card and each hand.
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July 8th, 2016 at 3:31:40 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

And you REALLY don't get it yet? WOW!



Perhaps he hasn't figured out what his friend is doing cuz he's looking at the wrong machines. I'm under the same impression as Axel that it's the live decks machines not the video simulation baccarat.
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July 8th, 2016 at 3:45:36 PM permalink
This forum is pretty frustrating. Haha

The live deck video bacarat machines and the digital baccarat machines are both dealt from an infinite deck. The cards are only shown being dealt by the metallic hand to offer realism. To encourage pattern bettors to play. It is all decided by a random number generator that decides each card that is drawn and each hand.

Both display the hands on the same digital screen. How the hands are decided only appear different.
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July 8th, 2016 at 3:56:45 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

This forum is pretty frustrating. Haha

The live deck video bacarat machines and the digital baccarat machines are both dealt from an infinite deck. The cards are only shown being dealt by the metallic hand to offer realism. To encourage pattern bettors to play. It is all decided by a random number generator that decides each card that is drawn and each hand.

Both display the hands on the same digital screen. How the hands are decided only appear different.



What you are saying is incorrect. For the live cards to be just a visual simulation, then the shuffling machine and computer would have to be in sync and all outcomes for an entire 8 deck game would have to be predetermined anyway because the live cards would have to be "shuffled" in the correct order for them to appear during the game. That is patently ridiculous.

In reality, the cards are shuffled randomly, THEN the computer reads the deck.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:01:02 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

On the east coast and the west coast? You can use your cell phone to do anything you want while sitting at the digital video baccarat machines. Its considered a slot machine to them. The cards are dealt from an infinite mock deck and use an rng to decide the valueof each card and each hand.

So you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.

In NV it's illegal to use a cell phone to even count cards on a VBJ machine. If I understand properly it's illegal to use any personal electronic device in the casino for the purpose of playing.

I'm not sure about using one in the sports book I have seen people imputing lines into a program on their laptops.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:08:56 PM permalink
You do realize you just agreed with me? It doesnt matter if the live cards are preshuffled Randomly before being read by the machine Or decided randomly and then read by the machine individually. It is all decided by a random number generator.

If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:09:31 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

What you are saying is incorrect. For the live cards to be just a visual simulation, then the shuffling machine and computer would have to be in sync and all outcomes for an entire 8 deck game would have to be predetermined anyway because the live cards would have to be "shuffled" in the correct order for them to appear during the game. That is patently ridiculous.

In reality, the cards are shuffled randomly, THEN the computer reads the deck.

I think the OP is claiming any interblock Baccarat anywhere so that's definitely suspicious. For all we know he worked for the company and he has found a way. Anything I can imagine would be illegal in the USA.

I just can't imagine why he would tout this and recruit so publicly.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:10:25 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

So you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.

In NV it's illegal to use a cell phone to even count cards on a VBJ machine. If I understand properly it's illegal to use any personal electronic device in the casino for the purpose of playing.

I'm not sure about using one in the sports book I have seen people imputing lines into a program on their laptops.



They are pretty lax about cell phone use in Resorts World. You can certainly use your phone in front of any gaming machine there.

However, they would absolutely call the police and press charges if they discovered you were using it for hacking/cheating moves.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:14:36 PM permalink
Right. What he showed me appeared a statistical anamoly in their rng design. No cheating.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:24:33 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Right. What he showed me appeared a statistical anamoly in their rng design. No cheating.



Oh for Expletives sake!

The software, the calls back to base are the smoke and mirrors!!!

There is no exploited flaw in the rng! There is no system to be figured out! There doesn't need to be.

Others in this thread have already screamed the system loud and clear.

If Mysterious new guy Maniac has actually physically seen the 'play' then he has been totally distracted by the smoke and mirrors. It's all hogwash FFS!

Pure and simple, the system is to assign the 'player' a modest daily target which is very likely achievable without any special knowledge of the future, and then when the victim almost inevitably wins the target amount, he sends 30% of winnings for the 'advice' he's received of what hands to play.

Anyone who believes in the software trickery wants his bumps reading.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:25:38 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

So you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.



It is illegal to do that in NYS.

NYS Penal Law:

Article 225, Par. 27

27. "Unlawful gaming property" means:
(a) any device, not prescribed for use in casinio gaming by its rules,
which is capable of assisting a player:
(i) to calculate any probabilities material to the outcome of a
contest of chance; or
(ii) to receive or transmit information material to the outcome of a
contest of chance; or
(b) any object or article which, by virtue of its size, shape or any
other quality, is capable of being used in casino gaming as an improper
substitute for a genuine chip, cheque, token, betting coupon, debit
instrument, voucher or other instrument or indicia of value; or
(c) any unfair gaming equipment.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:26:04 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You can't even use your phone to look up a strategy in NV.



The laws I've seen were worded in such a way that it would not be illegal in NV to use your phone to look up strategy charts. Has there ever been a case that said otherwise?
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:30:31 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

You do realize you just agreed with me? It doesnt matter if the live cards are preshuffled Randomly before being read by the machine Or decided randomly and then read by the machine individually. It is all decided by a random number generator.

If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.



SO, since it pretty much is out in the open, the OP hacks into the computer of Resorts World to get the same pre-read info it has in playing the predetermined deck. OP supplies bankroll for someone to go in and text him the cards dealt in a particular hand.

Using that hand info, he can locate where in the information string his predetermined list is and can then instruct the player what bets to make through the next dozen or so hands.

When the cops come to arrest someone, the player goes from playing Baccarat in the casino to playing Gin Rummy in prison and the OP finds another dupe to do his dirty work.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:32:31 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

You do realize you just agreed with me? It doesnt matter if he live cards are preshuffled Randomly before being read by the machine Or decided randomly and then read by the machine individually. It is all decided by a random number generator.

If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.



I didn't say it was illegal to talk on your phone. It's illegal to use your phone to attempt to gain an advantage on a slot/vp/or table game. IT'S A FELONY. They may not say anything if you pull out phone and use your calculator to calculate the best play something like a VP machine hold. I'm not going to search and give you examples. perhaps some states dont have a law about using a device. IMO if someone is relaying information on a cell phone and that information is giving them an advantage they are going to jail if they get caught.

Also I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about, because some VBJ machines ARE IN FACT COUNTABLE.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:41:53 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Met with him at resorts world. Since hes banned, Im sure it doesnt matter what I post about his system.

He uses a software on his computer that he says exposes a flaw in the rng used in the video baccarat machines. He had some one sending him text messages from another location, as he was texting them the previous hand. It worked. Couldve been luck. I offered to use my own money, but, He says he will give me a bankroll to play with and expects thirty percent at the end of the day.

Im not going to do it because im going to try to figure out the "flaw" on my own. And I dont feel comfortable using anyone elses money. If I lose money trying to figure it out on my own? Oh well. But playing and giving up 30 percent is not my thing.

Also I think that's a sh*tty thing. Someone tells you about something, they make a deal, they prove it works, then you basically tell them to go pond sand and you're going to figure it out yourself.

Of course you are going to say, he said, it's ok, right?
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:52:13 PM permalink
Wow. You guys are crazy.

All I know is I met him. He showed me what he does. He told me how it works. Bankrolling me with his money, paying him 30% of what I win with his bankroll I turned it down because I dont like using some one elses money. And I dont like sharing the profits I earn after playing all day

I said i was going to try to find out what he was doing on my own because i SAW it win him money. He didnt scam me he didnt ask me for money. He was going to bankroll me $3500 which he had on him.

Now im being attacked and being told that im lying about being able to use a phone at the digital tables. And that the video
Baccarat machines dont use an rng?

The only smoke and mirrors is this forum. You guys think and say what you want no matter what.
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July 8th, 2016 at 5:02:32 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Wow. You guys are crazy.

All I know is I met him. He showed me what he does. He told me how it works. Bankrolling me with his money, paying him 30% of what I win with his bankroll I turned it down because I dont like using some one elses money. And I dont like sharing the profits I earn after playing all day

I said i was going to try to find out what he was doing on my own because i SAW it win him money. He didnt scam me he didnt ask me for money. He was going to bankroll me $3500 which he had on him.

Now im being attacked and being told that im lying about being able to use a phone at the digital tables. And that the video
Baccarat machines dont use an rng?

The only smoke and mirrors is this forum. You guys think and say what you want no matter what.



So basically you stole his system and believe using cell phones and computers to make bets so that you can win at Baccarat is perfectly legal.
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July 8th, 2016 at 5:29:43 PM permalink
Ok my phone is ready to go

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July 8th, 2016 at 5:38:08 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Wow. You guys are crazy.

Thanks.
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July 8th, 2016 at 8:41:05 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Wow. You guys are crazy.

All I know is I met him. He showed me what he does. He told me how it works. Bankrolling me with his money, paying him 30% of what I win with his bankroll I turned it down because I dont like using some one elses money. And I dont like sharing the profits I earn after playing all day

I said i was going to try to find out what he was doing on my own because i SAW it win him money. He didnt scam me he didnt ask me for money. He was going to bankroll me $3500 which he had on him.

Now im being attacked and being told that im lying about being able to use a phone at the digital tables. And that the video
Baccarat machines dont use an rng?

The only smoke and mirrors is this forum. You guys think and say what you want no matter what.


Wart is very fitting. Guy shows you the play and only wants 30% plus you have no risk. Then you are going to try and steal it. Are you Chinese or something? No better than knockoff patent thief putting out bootleg CD's. Geeze.
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July 8th, 2016 at 9:09:27 PM permalink
I think a lot of people should reserve judgement. I'm going to check it out, he has not tried to sell anything or asked for a single penny,
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July 8th, 2016 at 9:17:21 PM permalink
I'm still willing to reverse myself IF it's not system selling and the members are not put in harm's way. And of course if he wants to return. I'd appreciate any updates people get via PM. I will not be the disseminator here if I receive confidential info.
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July 8th, 2016 at 9:49:16 PM permalink
OK, assume Maniacwarrrt really met letswin and letswin says his system is that he found a bug in some RNG, be it real or some smoke and mirror for the perfect prediction scam.

But "a bug in RNG" is quite different from the "random to beat random" claim that he spent 2 years to build. if I had followed his posts for 2 years and then took the time to meet him in person only to find that all his hocus pocus is really just a "bug in RNG" i would probably literally kick him right on the spot.
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July 8th, 2016 at 10:04:20 PM permalink
Quote: andysif

OK, assume Maniacwarrrt really met letswin and letswin says his system is that he found a bug in some RNG, be it real or some smoke and mirror for the perfect prediction scam.

But "a bug in RNG" is quite different from the "random to beat random" claim that he spent 2 years to build. if I had followed his posts for 2 years and then took the time to meet him in person only to find that all his hocus pocus is really just a "bug in RNG" i would probably literally kick him right on the spot.



Either way, I still think whatever he is doing if it involves using a computer and or a cell phone it's illegal.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Maniacwarrrt
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July 9th, 2016 at 2:51:39 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I think a lot of people should reserve judgement. I'm going to check it out, he has not tried to sell anything or asked for a single penny,



From being banned for system selling with no proof and after saying he wasnt selling a system. With more than one person saying that he isnt selling anything and is providing the bankroll. And the way I was attacked for saying the video baccarat machines use an rng even though it even says it clearly on the developers
Websie that even the live dealing ones use an rng to determine what cards are dealt and how the "shoe" is shuffled. AND as I said, in the casino? You can see it on the main screen saying "running on digital". Yet with all of that? I still got attacked as "making it up". Ha

What's the point of clearing anything upon a forum that reacts like this? Haha. Its a joke here im seeing.
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July 9th, 2016 at 3:52:33 PM permalink
You could play risk free, with a guaranteed 70% profit and detailed instructions but instead you intend to use your own money and guess your way around the system.
But we are the joke?
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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July 9th, 2016 at 3:54:52 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

You could play risk free, with a guaranteed 70% profit and detailed instructions but instead you intend to use your own money and guess your way around the system.
But we are the joke?

+1
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Maniacwarrrt
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July 9th, 2016 at 4:21:21 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

You could play risk free, with a guaranteed 70% profit and detailed instructions but instead you intend to use your own money and guess your way around the system.
But we are the joke?



Right.

So an independent mind that refuses to conform and tries to figure out things on hisown is a joke. I see.

His offer is not for me. Whats wrong with that? And if I figure it out some how on my own? I wont need his bank roll. AND? I keep 100% of the profits.

Personal independent progress is a joke too huh? Ha!
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July 9th, 2016 at 5:08:43 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Wart is very fitting. Guy shows you the play and only wants 30% plus you have no risk. Then you are going to try and steal it. Are you Chinese or something? No better than knockoff patent thief putting out bootleg CD's. Geeze.




Max. You know better. I know you do.

3 days, personal insult + racial slur.
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July 9th, 2016 at 5:16:42 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Max. You know better. I know you do.

3 days, personal insult + racial slur.

racial slur? He was just asking what nationality he was.
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July 9th, 2016 at 5:28:18 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

racial slur? He was just asking what nationality he was.

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July 9th, 2016 at 6:17:26 PM permalink
Quote: UCivan

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Oh no you didn't!!!

Now you just got 2f all curious.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 9th, 2016 at 6:59:31 PM permalink
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Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F

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