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July 6th, 2016 at 11:04:05 PM permalink
Mods? If this thread is inappropriate? Delete or move.

Experts? If you dont believe baccarat can ever be beaten? ...better yet, if you KNOW it cant based on the math and facts that do not lie, just ignore this and keep it moving. I am not mocking...just want to save us from and avoid, any long debates. Please.

Those of you who know me from my last thread, and consider me full of it, please ignore as well

I had a long long lengthy thread on here. That lasted for years. And as much as i was accussed of Nothing more than a system
Seller trying to bait others.

2-3 years later. Not one thing was sold by me. Countless pms sent to me asking me to teach them. And i stayed firm
To my statement in which i made in the beginning. I will never sell or give away my system. Period


I am
Now expanding my team. Yes. I have a team of players. And we win every day. Dont ask me how its possible. Again. If you KNOW baccarat cant be beaten? Just ignore this post! Im not here to convince anyone. And i will make no effort to at all. Im here to tell anyone whos willing to accept there are no absolutes in this world, and keep an open mind enough to believe that although baccarat has been proven to be unbeatable by the math? I have found a way to win and have continued to win for several years. I am in no way suggesting i have indefinitely beaten baccarat. I am
Saying i have been beating it so far and continue to do so. Daily. For years. I am expanding my team. If you want in? Respond via pm. You will pay me nothing upfront. Ever. I am NOT a system seller. Repeat. I am
Not a system seller.
AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2016 at 12:47:42 AM permalink
Quote: letswin

Mods? If this thread is inappropriate? Delete or move.

Experts? If you dont believe baccarat can ever be beaten? ...better yet, if you KNOW it cant based on the math and facts that do not lie, just ignore this and keep it moving. I am not mocking...just want to save us from and avoid, any long debates. Please.

Those of you who know me from my last thread, and consider me full of it, please ignore as well

I had a long long lengthy thread on here. That lasted for years. And as much as i was accussed of Nothing more than a system
Seller trying to bait others.

2-3 years later. Not one thing was sold by me. Countless pms sent to me asking me to teach them. And i stayed firm
To my statement in which i made in the beginning. I will never sell or give away my system. Period


I am
Now expanding my team. Yes. I have a team of players. And we win every day. Dont ask me how its possible. Again. If you KNOW baccarat cant be beaten? Just ignore this post! Im not here to convince anyone. And i will make no effort to at all. Im here to tell anyone whos willing to accept there are no absolutes in this world, and keep an open mind enough to believe that although baccarat has been proven to be unbeatable by the math? I have found a way to win and have continued to win for several years. I am in no way suggesting i have indefinitely beaten baccarat. I am
Saying i have been beating it so far and continue to do so. Daily. For years. I am expanding my team. If you want in? Respond via pm. You will pay me nothing upfront. Ever. I am NOT a system seller. Repeat. I am
Not a system seller.

IF you have a winning baccarat system that's been working for years, then yes, you need a team to work for you. And if its been working for years then you should be willing to front the money and share a smaller percentage of the profits. You just need people on your team that have some solid qualities. Honest, loyal, trustworthy,reliable, sane, easy to get along with and people who keep their mouth shut. Sure you might have a few other requirements such as well dressed, clean, positive attitude, motivated, car etc etc.

You should be able to clean up in the United States alone, we are talking millions if done right, especially with the higher(huge) limits and almost zero heat on baccarat(think about it.... Phil Ivey was able to win millions and he WAS doing something grey. CASINOS ALLOW ALL BETTING SYSTEMS AND EVEN ENCOURAGE THEM).

If you are not making millions you need a good team manager, because someone is doing something seriously wrong and you guys are NOT doing it right.

Non system betting AP's would love an opportunity like this, because they dont get access to 24/7 365 unlimited betting with an advantage. Normal AP's search high and low for good opportunities, they lose opportunities constantly, they get heat, they get kicked out, they have periods of time with nothing good to play. If true, you have found the holy grail of gambling, now you just need to monetize it.


Where do I sign up? Ill be glad to take a small share of the profits, since ill have no risk. I know many good people who would do the same. Ill be willing to record all my sessions(or you can play next to me and inventory my chips, money and play ) I will be willing to take a lie detector test regarding my honesty and secrecy.

FYI any serious AP would never require anyone to put up any money who may play for them. There is no need to on a legitimate Advantage. They would only be required to put up money if they wanted bigger percentage of the play. Some rare situations might require someone to put up some earnest money, however its returned at the end of the session. (if you want a more detailed explanation of a situation that might require that ill be happy to explain) I would be happy to escrow some earnest money as well.

I'm sure I can actually bring some stuff you dont do or know to the table stuff that will increase your income.

WHEN CAN I START???????
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Jul 7, 2016
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letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 1:02:16 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

IF you have a winning baccarat system that's been working for years, then yes, you need a team to work for you. And if its been working for years then you should be willing to front the money and share the profits. You just need people on your team that have some solid qualities. Honest, loyal, trustworthy,reliable, sane, easy to get along with and people who keep their mouth shut. Sure you might have a few other requirements such as well dressed, clean, positive attitude, motivated, car etc etc.

You should be able to clean up in the United States alone, we are talking millions if done right, especially with the higher(huge) limits and almost zero heat on baccarat(think about it.... Phil Ivey was able to win millions and he WAS doing something grey. CASINOS ALLOW ALL BETTING SYSTEMS AND EVEN ENCOURAGE THEM).

If you are not making millions you need a good team manager, because someone is doing something seriously wrong and you guys are NOT doing it right.

Non system betting AP's would love an opportunity like this, because they dont get access to 24/7 365 unlimited betting with an advantage. Normal AP's search high and low for good opportunities, they lose opportunities constantly, they get heat, they get kicked out, they have periods of time with nothing good to play. If true, you have found the holy grail of gambling, now you just need to monetize it.


Where do I sign up? Ill be glad to take a small share of the profits, since ill have no risk. I know many good people who would do the same. Ill be willing to record all my sessions(or you can play next to me and inventory my chips, money and play ) I will be willing to take a lie detector test regarding my honesty and secrecy.

FYI any serious AP would never require anyone to put up any money who may play for them. There is no need to on a legitimate Advantage. They would only be required to put up money if they wanted bigger percentage of the play.

I'm sure I can actually bring some stuff you dont do or know to the table stuff that will increase your income.

WHEN CAN I START???????




You didnt read my entire post. Or follow any of the instructions in the post. Those instructions were simple. The system is fairly advanced.
AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2016 at 1:16:34 AM permalink
Quote: letswin

You didnt read my entire post. Or follow any of the instructions in the post. Those instructions were simple. The system is fairly advanced.

I think I can handle an advanced system, hell someone can just mimic your bets or follow your instructions they dont care at baccarat .

If you have been playing daily with a team and have been winning daily for years then that's enough to convince me it woks. You should have zero doubt it does either.
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letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 1:18:22 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think I can handle an advanced system, hell someone can just mimic your bet. If you have been playin daily with a team and have been winning daily for years then that's enough to convince me it woks. You should have zero doubt it does either.



Again. You did not read the entire opening post to this thread. Nor did you follow its simple instructions.
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July 7th, 2016 at 1:36:32 AM permalink
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July 7th, 2016 at 1:42:58 AM permalink
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AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2016 at 1:50:36 AM permalink
Quote: letswin

Again. You did not read the entire opening post to this thread. Nor did you follow its simple instructions.

The OP, I did read. The only instructions I could find was send a PM, I did that.
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July 7th, 2016 at 2:28:11 AM permalink
Didn't read the other thread, or at least don't know which thread you're referring to. Sorry if you mentioned it there.

But can you briefly describe what you do or how you get an advantage? Is it a counting type thing? Are there certain conditions that must be met in order for you to play a winning game? Heat? Is it a betting system where bets are based on previous wins/losses/streaks/etc.?

I can only think of 3 ways to beat bacarrat, one of which would be an absolute grind. The other 2 are legitimate, although very specific conditions would need to be met.

Axel, you should know just because a game like bacarrat is beatable (I'm assuming OP is legit), that doesn't mean you can make millions and millions with 24/7/365 access. Although if it's a betting system....or rather, if a betting system would actually work (in any game), then I don't see how it wouldn't make you millions.
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July 7th, 2016 at 6:07:15 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Didn't read the other thread, or at least don't know which thread you're referring to. Sorry if you mentioned it there.

But can you briefly describe what you do or how you get an advantage? Is it a counting type thing? Are there certain conditions that must be met in order for you to play a winning game? Heat? Is it a betting system where bets are based on previous wins/losses/streaks/etc.?

I can only think of 3 ways to beat bacarrat, one of which would be an absolute grind. The other 2 are legitimate, although very specific conditions would need to be met.

Axel, you should know just because a game like bacarrat is beatable (I'm assuming OP is legit), that doesn't mean you can make millions and millions with 24/7/365 access. Although if it's a betting system....or rather, if a betting system would actually work (in any game), then I don't see how it wouldn't make you millions.

Did you read my post? I basically said that legitimate AP CANT make millions and millions 24/7 because of multiple reasons.

The OP has a betting system PERIOD. I think he claims his betting system, is a system, that is not a system. IIRC he claims it's a random system. Are we confused yet?

Here is some of one of the OP's previous post.............

" Being that there are certain rules that create certain outcomes (stands, naturals, and then 6 card draws), a truly random element CAN BEAT a pseudo random element. This may not make sense to most, but, this is what I have created with my partner (my wife) to beat baccarat. We have, over the past 8 months, tested and tried a very effective flat betting method that has been generating us 30-80 units a day with a max draw down of 4-5 units at any given time. We've gone through many periods of winning over 20 hands in a row. I have never seen anything like that. And these win streaks are not on streaks of banker of player or chops, or twos, or threes....no, these are just streaks of winning hands period.

What is the secret to our success without giving away the system? Our bet selection is random. Our trigger is random. And our wagers are random. And all three of those change randomly. For random reasons. Nothing we do, has anything to do with banker, player, or the game itself. Yes. 100%, true randomness. And we bet every single hand. On paper? We're up over 1000s of units. In real live play? We're up a fortune. I'm not here to give away my system, sell my system,...I'm only here to share an experience to encourage certain things and share advice."

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I'm out for now. Have a good day, night, morning or whatever your situation is.
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MrGoldenSun
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July 7th, 2016 at 6:32:18 AM permalink
Quote: letswin

You will pay me nothing upfront. Ever.



Might we have to pay you something later?
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:01:57 AM permalink
Quote: MrGoldenSun

Might we have to pay you something later?



Please read the main post thoroughly and follow the instructions
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:08:50 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Didn't read the other thread, or at least don't know which thread you're referring to. Sorry if you mentioned it there.

But can you briefly describe what you do or how you get an advantage? Is it a counting type thing? Are there certain conditions that must be met in order for you to play a winning game? Heat? Is it a betting system where bets are based on previous wins/losses/streaks/etc.?

I can only think of 3 ways to beat bacarrat, one of which would be an absolute grind. The other 2 are legitimate, although very specific conditions would need to be met.

Axel, you should know just because a game like bacarrat is beatable (I'm assuming OP is legit), that doesn't mean you can make millions and millions with 24/7/365 access. Although if it's a betting system....or rather, if a betting system would actually work (in any game), then I don't see how it wouldn't make you millions.



Its dramatically matured since its creation all those years ago. The draw downs, the way the wagers are placed. Etc. Producing a larger return and in less time. First series of approaches involved many hours of play. Now? The profit goals can be achieved in a fraction of the time. Despite the smaller adjustments here or there? The heart of our system is the concept. Random to beat random. Our adjustments are only to increase profitability in shorter periods of time than before. It is unlike anything that i know of, that hasbeendone in baccarat before
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:09:20 AM permalink
Quote: MrGoldenSun

Might we have to pay you something later?


Most likely.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:16:58 AM permalink
Quote: letswin

The heart of our system is the concept. Random to beat random.


Even if that concept was mathematically sound, how would you generate random numbers on the fly at a casino table?

Do you generate and memorize a random "play pattern" before playing? That would be exceedingly difficult.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:18:15 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Most likely.



After profits are earned, anyone should expect to have to share a portion of it else where, if the method used to generate those profits was shared with them from else where. No partnership or team can function other wise.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:20:50 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Even if that concept was mathematically sound, how would you generate random numbers on the fly at a casino table?

Do you generate and memorize a random "play pattern" before playing? That would be exceedingly difficult.



If you have any true interest? Please follow the instructions in the opening post. Truly trying to avoid along debate if possible. Again. Im not here to convince or explain how. Just tell you whatshappening with my team. And if you want to be apart of it? Lets go. If not? Move along.
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:43:53 AM permalink
Quote: letswin

If you have any true interest? Please follow the instructions in the opening post. Truly trying to avoid along debate if possible. Again. Im not here to convince or explain how. Just tell you whatshappening with my team. And if you want to be apart of it? Lets go. If not? Move along.

Ugh? Can you teach a newbie from square one? Which game was this again?
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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July 7th, 2016 at 11:40:48 AM permalink
Being so secretive... with information that has nothing to do with your "system."

You: "I'm not a system seller! No paying me anything up front!"
Us: "So we'll need to eventually pay you something to use your system?"
You: "You didn't PM me!!!"

So you're not selling a system, just a system that we'll "eventually" have to pay you for?
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 7th, 2016 at 11:49:19 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Being so secretive... with information that has nothing to do with your "system."

You: "I'm not a system seller! No paying me anything up front!"
Us: "So we'll need to eventually pay you something to use your system?"
You: "You didn't PM me!!!"

So you're not selling a system, just a system that we'll "eventually" have to pay you for?


I'll gladly play on his money and get paid a percentage of the win. No way in hell I'm investing any of my money in it.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 12:20:48 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Being so secretive... with information that has nothing to do with your "system."

You: "I'm not a system seller! No paying me anything up front!"
Us: "So we'll need to eventually pay you something to use your system?"
You: "You didn't PM me!!!"

So you're not selling a system, just a system that we'll "eventually" have to pay you for?



This is the reason i tried to make my opening post as clear as possible.

Ill try again

Im
Not a system
Seller. I have a team who has been winning, and in looking to expand. You do not pay for anything upfront. Obviously you will share a percentage of your earnings...that goes without to anyone with common sense. Pm me if you want in

Those are the simplest instructions ever. I understand text can leave the reader hazy at times,..but this is ridiculously direct.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 7th, 2016 at 12:23:17 PM permalink
Quote: letswin

This is the reason i tried to make my opening post as clear as possible.

Ill try again

Im
Not a system
Seller. I have a team who has been winning, and in looking to expand. You do not pay for anything upfront. Obviously you will share a percentage of your earnings...that goes without to anyone with common sense. Pm me if you want in

Those are the simplest instructions ever. I understand text can leave the reader hazy at times,..but this is ridiculously direct.


I'm not paying at all with my money. If using your money and getting paid, i.e. no risk to me, that's different.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 12:25:21 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'll gladly play on his money and get paid a percentage of the win. No way in hell I'm investing any of my money in it.



In the pm i tell you what it is. You decide if its for you at that point. Thats why i said to pm me. Any discussion here makes zero progress. Pm
If you want in. Very clear
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July 7th, 2016 at 1:54:38 PM permalink
letswin you are truly a lucky, lucky fellow. Nobody else in the world except you can gain an advantage on any game with a built in house edge such as baccarat; a game that is not vulnerable to card counting. Also, casinos don't worry about or hassle or bar baccarat players because they don't believe it's possible for them to have an advantage. So you are basically free to go around the world playing baccarat and betting $50,000 per hand if you like. Spectacular wealth is sure to be yours in a short amount of time. Enjoy.
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MrGoldenSun
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July 7th, 2016 at 5:05:03 PM permalink
Quote: letswin

Please read the main post thoroughly and follow the instructions



But I don't want to join your team. I just wanted to understand what you're asking people to do, and the way you phrased it, this sounds like you were staying ambiguous and possibly going to ask for money later.

I think people should know whether you're going to ask them to pay you money at some time. It sounds like you're saying you'll bankroll the whole thing and if they win, they give you part of it. But nothing else. Is that accurate?
AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2016 at 5:15:51 PM permalink
Quote: MrGoldenSun

But I don't want to join your team. I just wanted to understand what you're asking people to do, and the way you phrased it, this sounds like you were staying ambiguous and possibly going to ask for money later.

I think people should know whether you're going to ask them to pay you money at some time. It sounds like you're saying you'll bankroll the whole thing and if they win, they give you part of it. But nothing else. Is that accurate?

I was not saying or implying anything, I just want to know how this works. I was not asking anyone to join my team nor have anyone on my team do this. I want to know for myself. I want to know how it works and what I would have to do?

If you have a winning system I'm absolutely interested. I keep my mouth shut on good plays and opportunities.

If you follow any of my posts I'm the biggest advocate of not posting up good information publicly. I was even suspended for helping in the flagging of a post someone had put up with good information on the forum.

For now I'm not even asking what your system is. I'm interested in the business/MONEY part of it, how would that work?

I also assume you would be telling me what to bet, either while sitting next to me or via some other forum of communication.

Sorry GS I didn't mean to quote you, I mean, I did, but somehow I got you mixed up with him and thought I was responding to him not you. Please dont be insulted I got you mixed up with him, I have to scroll left and right to see the names.
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July 7th, 2016 at 5:29:40 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

Nobody else in the world except you can gain an advantage on any game with a built in house edge such as baccarat; a game that is not vulnerable to card counting.


Dragon 7 and Panda 8 are countable. I don't think its very profitable, though.
vegas
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July 7th, 2016 at 5:35:41 PM permalink
He teaches you the system Then you bet with your own money and pay him a percentage of your winnings. He does not ask for any money except for some of your winnings in exchange for him teaching you how to beat the game. He can not lose.
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July 7th, 2016 at 5:53:43 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

He teaches you the system Then you bet with your own money and pay him a percentage of your winnings. He does not ask for any money except for some of your winnings in exchange for him teaching you how to beat the game. He can not lose.



That's what I thought he was hinting at. I'm assuming you PM'd him and that was the answer.

Being on a team, to me, means you play as directed with a team bankroll, earning a salary or percentage. This is not that.

I see almost no difference between this and a system seller; you are still obligating yourself to owing letswin money win or lose, just not up front.

So my preliminary take is this is system selling, and as such not supported or tolerated here. At this point, letswin needs to either justify how it's not, or we'll have to take it from there.
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July 7th, 2016 at 6:05:44 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

That's what I thought he was hinting at. I'm assuming you PM'd him and that was the answer.

Being on a team, to me, means you play as directed with a team bankroll, earning a salary or percentage. This is not that.

I see almost no difference between this and a system seller; you are still obligating yourself to owing letswin money win or lose, just not up front.

So my preliminary take is this is system selling, and as such not supported or tolerated here. At this point, letswin needs to either justify how it's not, or we'll have to take it from there.

I had always thought this was the case from day one, and i assumed it was some long con. I was trying to go along with it. I would have exposed his PM's once i seen proof, and you could've suspended me. I just can't keep up the ruse with him anymore. I'm sorry for not waiting for this guy to out himself. If people are dumb enough to fall for this crap then perhaps they need to learn the hard way.

I dont think PM protection should cover SCAMS

THIS IS A SCAM, IT SHOULD BE EXPOSED AND THIS GUY SHOULD BE SENT PACKING.
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AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2016 at 6:10:33 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

He teaches you the system Then you bet with your own money and pay him a percentage of your winnings. He does not ask for any money except for some of your winnings in exchange for him teaching you how to beat the game. He can not lose.

Yes again, that is what I figured when he posted a bunch of crap before. But are you just guessing the obvious, or do you have some other reason for knowing this to be true?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 7:30:58 PM permalink
Quote: MrGoldenSun

But I don't want to join your team. I just wanted to understand what you're asking people to do, and the way you phrased it, this sounds like you were staying ambiguous and possibly going to ask for money later.

I think people should know whether you're going to ask them to pay you money at some time. It sounds like you're saying you'll bankroll the whole thing and if they win, they give you part of it. But nothing else. Is that accurate?



Well i thought "im not a system seller" was pretty self explainatory
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 7:32:18 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

He teaches you the system Then you bet with your own money and pay him a percentage of your winnings. He does not ask for any money except for some of your winnings in exchange for him teaching you how to beat the game. He can not lose.



No. This is incorrect. And this person never pmed me. I teach nothing.
beachbumbabs
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July 7th, 2016 at 7:35:58 PM permalink
Quote: letswin

Well i thought "im not a system seller" was pretty self explainatory



No, I don't think it is. Perhaps you should explain your terms for all of us. Does Vegas (above) detail your situation correctly or not?

Edit: cross-posted. Understand Vegas is not correct. So what is?
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 7:40:20 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I had always thought this was the case from day one, and i assumed it was some long con. I was trying to go along with it. I would have exposed his PM's once i seen proof, and you could've suspended me. I just can't keep up the ruse with him anymore. I'm sorry for not waiting for this guy to out himself. If people are dumb enough to fall for this crap then perhaps they need to learn the hard way.

I dont think PM protection should cover SCAMS

THIS IS A SCAM, IT SHOULD BE EXPOSED AND THIS GUY SHOULD BE SENT PACKING.



Show me My scam and ill leave the forum
Forever and meet you with $5000 cash. Want a picture of me holding $5000 cash? Ill post it here.

Show me 100% proof of my "scam". "Scam" by definition would mean getting someone to send me money upfront so i can run with, whilst returning nothing inreturn correct?

So. Show me 1, the solicitation for money. 2, the "product i clearly stated for sale". No ambiguous bs. 3, show me the payment method i gave people to "pay" me for my product.


Show me that? And ill admit to it publicly. Meet you in person (ill fly to you). Give you $5000 cash. And never post on the forum
Again

Lets go.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 7:42:44 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

No, I don't think it is. Perhaps you should explain your terms for all of us. Does Vegas (above) detail your situation correctly or not?

Edit: cross-posted. Understand Vegas is not correct. So what is?



I dont have to display the inner workingsof my team publicly. I said enough times via the Forum. Ill repeat again. I am NOT selling my system. I am NOT teaching my system. Anyone interested in joining can pm
Me for more private details on its inner workings. Those who think im
Scamming? Prove it. Or keep your feelings to yourself.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 7:45:19 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

No, I don't think it is. Perhaps you should explain your terms for all of us. Does Vegas (above) detail your situation correctly or not?

Edit: cross-posted. Understand Vegas is not correct. So what is?



Are you seriously telling me that im in a forum where "im not a system
Seller". "I do not sell
Systems". "I will not teach or sell my system under any circumstances" requires further explaination???
beachbumbabs
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:06:17 PM permalink
Quote: letswin

After profits are earned, anyone should expect to have to share a portion of it else where, if the method used to generate those profits was shared with them from else where. No partnership or team can function other wise.



So. You're not teaching anything, but people should expect to learn from you.

You're not selling anything, but people should expect to pay you.

You're "recruiting team members", but being vague and evasive about whose money will be used to "earn profits". One question is whether your new team members will be providing their own bankroll and expected to send you money, or using your money and bringing you back some amount of any winnings.

Or perhaps you're really looking for backers, and you want your "team members" to blindly hand over money for you to play?

It makes a difference.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:08:15 PM permalink
If you can't show a mathematical edge, glitch or something that proves you have an advantage and anyone ever has to put up a penny of their own money IT'S A SCAM, intentional or not.

FYI unless you can show a picture of 100k min, your system is worthless. Going by your posts ("I BEEN WINNING EVERYDAY FOR YEARS") you should be filthy rich.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:12:45 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

So. You're not teaching anything, but people should expect to learn from you.

You're not selling anything, but people should expect to pay you.

You're "recruiting team members", but being vague and evasive about whose money will be used to "earn profits". One question is whether your new team members will be providing their own bankroll and expected to send you money, or using your money and bringing you back some amount of any winnings.

It makes a difference.



I know youre a mod. So im trying to be as respectful
As possible so we can find some area of common understanding. ....i may be wrong...but correct me if i am..are you
Seriouslt putting system
Selling and "sharing profits earned" in the same category? System
Sellers are scammers. So a guy who has capital, who refuses to
Send money upfront to
Keep it safe,meets a trading genius with no capital, who also wants to keep his technique safe...they partner up to make millions together...thats the same as the trading guy forcing the capital guy to
Send him money before they earn
Anything or offering him to teach him how to
Win on his own...which after wards could leave the capital
Guy at risk. Losing the money he sent the trading genius guy? Please tell
Me you dont agree they are one and the same. :/
MrGoldenSun
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:14:22 PM permalink
Quote: letswin

Well i thought "im not a system seller" was pretty self explainatory



It's not as descriptive to me as you seem to think it is. Maybe everybody else gets it and I'm just dumb. I doubt it though.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:14:25 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

So. You're not teaching anything, but people should expect to learn from you.

You're not selling anything, but people should expect to pay you.

You're "recruiting team members", but being vague and evasive about whose money will be used to "earn profits". One question is whether your new team members will be providing their own bankroll and expected to send you money, or using your money and bringing you back some amount of any winnings.

Or perhaps you're really looking for backers, and you want your "team members" to blindly hand over money for you to play?

It makes a difference.



No one learns anything. Short of earning profits following my Instructions (not my system) No one shares any money with me.

Cant get any simpler than
That.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:16:32 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

If you can't show a mathematical edge, glitch or something that proves you have an advantage and anyone ever has to put up a penny of their own money IT'S A SCAM, intentional or not.

FYI unless you can show a picture of 100k min, your system is worthless. Going by your posts ("I BEEN WINNING EVERYDAY FOR YEARS") you should be filthy rich.



Your posts are meaningless until
You can meet your half of the challenge i gave you. Ill make the reward even sweeter. Ill give you $20k cash. And show you one of my bank accounts with over $800k in it.
DRich
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:18:02 PM permalink
Why are you people wasting your time with Baccarat. There are 1000 times more slot machines out there than Baccarat tables. I have personally programmed many slot machines and RNG's. I will explain to anyone that asks how they work and all I ask is that on days you win you send me a measly 1% of your win. That's it, I want nothing more. Please PM me and I promise at least one of us will get rich.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
beachbumbabs
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:19:29 PM permalink
Quote: letswin

I know youre a mod. So im trying to be as respectful
As possible so we can find some area of common understanding. ....i may be wrong...but correct me if i am..are you
Seriouslt putting system
Selling and "sharing profits earned" in the same category? System
Sellers are scammers. So a guy who has capital, who refuses to
Send money upfront to
Keep it safe,meets a trading genius with no capital, who also wants to keep his technique safe...they partner up to make millions together...thats the same as the trading guy forcing the capital guy to
Send him money before they earn
Anything or offering him to teach him how to
Win on his own...which after wards could leave the capital
Guy at risk. Losing the money he sent the trading genius guy? Please tell
Me you dont agree they are one and the same. :/



I hope you understand that I'm trying to find a way that you're NOT selling a system. So I'm interested. I'm PM'ing you; PM me the details. I'm restricted from putting them out publicly. So let's hear it.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
letswin
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:23:21 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I hope you understand that I'm trying to find a way that you're NOT selling a system. So I'm interested. I'm PM'ing you; PM me the details. I'm restricted from putting them out publicly. So let's hear it.



If im not asking anyone to send me money for information i claim will
Make them
A winner.
Then i am
Not selling a system.

Simple. :)
beachbumbabs
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July 7th, 2016 at 8:37:43 PM permalink
Quote: letswin

If im not asking anyone to send me money for information i claim will
Make them
A winner.
Then i am
Not selling a system.

Simple. :)



Crickets.

Edit: still crickets.

Further edit.

I've given you several hours to respond to my PM. You've indicated you're online that whole time. But no response.

I think your reply above indicates you're hiding behind semantics rather than being factually able to rebut that you're using this forum to find customers (not "team members"). Accordingly, letswin is banned for system selling. You may appeal to the Wizard if you wish.
Last edited by: beachbumbabs on Jul 7, 2016
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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July 7th, 2016 at 10:25:45 PM permalink
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beachbumbabs
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July 8th, 2016 at 9:04:24 AM permalink
I am hearing from third parties who have been in email discussions with him that this is in fact a scam. I strongly caution any members who were considering "working" with letswin to be extremely wary if you are continuing to correspond with him. More details expected soon. Thank you.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
gamerfreak
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July 8th, 2016 at 9:12:59 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I am hearing from third parties who have been in email discussions with him that this is in fact a scam. I strongly caution any members who were considering "working" with letswin to be extremely wary if you are continuing to correspond with him. More details expected soon. Thank you.


This is an interesting scam.

- Someone makes up a betting system, as useless as all other betting systems, but that doesn't matter.

- Offer it for "sale" in exchange for winnings, owe nothing if you lose

- "Victim" goes out and plays baccarat with betting system, house edge does not change since betting systems don't work.

- A certain percentage of these people will win, out of pure luck. They pay up to the scammer and are happy about it, because they think they found a winning system.

- Those that lose are upset with the scammer because he isn't returning PM's anymore, but forget about it in a few weeks since they don't owe him anything.

It's coercing people to go gamble normally, but owe you a rake on their winnings. Pretty messed up!

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