Resorts World NYC Table Games

9:30 a.m. there will be a ceremony which I plan on attending

Does anyone know if the slots are going to remain class11 or are they being changed to class111

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Does anyone know if the slots are going to remain class11 or are they being changed to class111
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Genting is not a tribe!

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Does anyone know if the slots are going to remain class11 or are they being changed to class111
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Genting is not a tribe!
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We will have to just call them class lottery.

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Does anyone know if the slots are going to remain class11 or are they being changed to class111
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Genting is not a tribe!
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I know they are not a tribe but I thought when NY state decided to allow gambling that they could be class111 casinos. So are del lago and resorts world Catskills class11 or class111?

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Does anyone know if the slots are going to remain class11 or are they being changed to class111
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Genting is not a tribe!
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I know they are not a tribe but I thought when NY state decided to allow gambling that they could be class111 casinos. So are del lago and resorts world Catskills class11 or class111?
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Class II and Class III are distinctions within IGRA88.

New York Gaming Commission makes distinctions as Horse Racing & Pari-mutuel gaming, Video Lottery Gaming, and Casino Gaming. (There may be others.)

harris im pretty sure ... and let me know if im wrong... but all of the games that they will offer will most likely also have a law associated with its game. Any game that they will offer will be able to be looked up and any game that doesnt have a law probably wouldnt be offered until they get the legal ability to do so.

so if there is laws associated with those games on some NY gaming website... you dont need to rely on rumors or people... both unreliable to begin with

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Does anyone know if the slots are going to remain class11 or are they being changed to class111
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Genting is not a tribe!
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I know they are not a tribe but I thought when NY state decided to allow gambling that they could be class111 casinos. So are del lago and resorts world Catskills class11 or class111?
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Any tribal casino, that is in a state that ALSO has class 3, has the ability to offer class 3 casino products... probably pending approval or something like that before it happens

Take for instance in PA we have Wind Creek... in most of the other states Wind Creek is tribal... but since PA allows class 3 and Wind creek also exists in PA where other class 3 casinos exist, they can also offer class 3 games...

Im pretty sure what Im saying is from the IGRA website

Here's some slop for you all ... based on this question :

"tell me about the casino gaming in new york state and if it resembles class 3, or lottery"

...

New York is one of the most **hybridized gambling systems in the U.S.**—it uses **both true Class III casino gaming AND lottery-based gaming that looks like casinos**. That’s why it often feels confusing.

Here’s the clean breakdown:

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# 🧠 The key idea (ELI5)

* Some NY “casinos” are **real Vegas-style (Class III)**
* Some are actually **lottery systems disguised as casinos (VLTs)**
* Some tribal properties even mix both depending on agreements

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# 🎰 1. TRUE Class III casino gaming (real casino)

This is what most people think of as a casino.

### What it includes:

* Blackjack, roulette, craps
* Poker
* True slot machines (RNG-based, house edge)

👉 Defined as:

* Games where you **play against the house** ([Wikipedia][1])

### Where in NY:

* Tribal casinos with compacts
* Commercial casinos (like the newer upstate resorts)

### Important detail:

* These operate under **tribal–state compacts** and are jointly regulated ([Gaming Commission][2])

👉 Example behavior:

* Slot spins are decided locally by an RNG (like Vegas)

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# 🎟️ 2. Lottery-based gaming (VLTs / “racinos”)

This is where New York gets unusual.

### What they look like:

* Slot machines
* Video poker
* Electronic table games

### But what they actually are:

* **Lottery terminals (VLTs)**
* Outcomes often determined by a **central system or pre-determined pool** ([Professor Slots][3])

👉 Think:

> More like a **scratch-off ticket with a slot machine animation**

### Key traits:

* Controlled by the **New York State Lottery** ([Professor Slots][3])
* Often no real “house vs player” dynamic
* May be:

* Central-draw system (like tickets)
* Or RNG monitored centrally

### Where:

* Racetracks (“racinos”)
* Some large facilities like Resorts World NYC

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# ⚠️ 3. The weird twist (this is the important part)

Even in places labeled “Class III”…

➡️ Many NY “slot machines” are still:

* **Video Lottery Terminals (VLTs)**
* Not true Vegas-style slots

👉 Example:

* Tribal Class III casinos in NY often still use **lottery-controlled VLT-style machines** ([Professor Slots][3])

So you can be in a “Class III casino”…
…but the slots behave like a **lottery system under the hood**

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# 🔍 Direct comparison

| Feature | Class III (Vegas-style) | NY Lottery Gaming (VLTs) |
| -------------------- | ----------------------- | ---------------------------- |
| Who you play against | House | Lottery system |
| Outcome | RNG in machine | Central system / ticket pool |
| Regulation | Tribal + state compact | State lottery |
| Strategy matters? | Sometimes (tables) | Usually no |
| Feels like casino? | Yes | Yes (but deceptive) |

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# 🧩 So what is New York REALLY?

**Answer: It’s both.**

* ✔ YES — NY has real **Class III casino gaming**
* ✔ ALSO YES — a huge portion of machines are **lottery-based (VLTs)**

👉 In practice:

* Table games → **true Class III**
* Many “slots” → **lottery-style systems**

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# 🧠 Bottom line (the honest answer)

New York casino gaming is:

> **A hybrid system where true Class III casino gaming exists, but a large share of electronic games function more like a state-run lottery than traditional casino slots.**

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If you want, I can break down **which specific casinos in NY are “real” vs mostly VLT-based**—that’s where things get even more interesting (and a little deceptive depending on how you look at it).

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_the_United_States?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Gambling in the United States"
[2]: https://gaming.ny.gov/indian-gaming?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Indian Gaming | Gaming Commission - NY.Gov"
[3]: https://professorslots.com/new-york-slot-machine-casino-gambling/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "New York Slot Machine Casino Gambling"

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Does anyone know if the slots are going to remain class11 or are they being changed to class111
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Genting is not a tribe!
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I know they are not a tribe but I thought when NY state decided to allow gambling that they could be class111 casinos. So are del lago and resorts world Catskills class11 or class111?
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Any tribal casino, that is in a state that ALSO has class 3, has the ability to offer class 3 casino products... probably pending approval or something like that before it happens

Take for instance in PA we have Wind Creek... in most of the other states Wind Creek is tribal... but since PA allows class 3 and Wind creek also exists in PA where other class 3 casinos exist, they can also offer class 3 games...

Im pretty sure what Im saying is from the IGRA website
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Class III means the gaming is conducted under tribal sovreignty, and regulated by the tribe's gaming commission.
General casino gaming is usually conducted by licensure of state authority, under regulation by the state gaming commission.

With a few exotic exceptions, the same games may be offered within either framework.

So Finger Lakes Race Track (VLT, racino) had police checking ID's at the door. I assume any TITO at the cage over $600 was taxable, that may have increased to $2,000 this year.
From that behavior, I'd assume Resorts World NYC had police checking ID's at the door and TITO's over $600 were taxable, but that was raised to $2,000 this year. But with this new upgrade in gambling license, the police may be removed from checking ID's at the door, and TITO's will no longer be taxable at the cage and may even have a $3K limit each at a kiosk. Table games, previously banned, that have side bets that pay 300 to 1 or better and pay over $2,000 will have a tax form. Normal sub-300 to 1 payouts will not be taxable despite being over $2,000. I'm looking at you, Mississippi Stud.

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So Finger Lakes Race Track (VLT, racino) had police checking ID's at the door. I assume any TITO at the cage over $600 was taxable, that may have increased to $2,000 this year.
From that behavior, I'd assume Resorts World NYC had police checking ID's at the door and TITO's over $600 were taxable, but that was raised to $2,000 this year. But with this new upgrade in gambling license, the police may be removed from checking ID's at the door, and TITO's will no longer be taxable at the cage and may even have a $3K limit each at a kiosk. Table games, previously banned, that have side bets that pay 300 to 1 or better and pay over $2,000 will have a tax form. Normal sub-300 to 1 payouts will not be taxable despite being over $2,000. I'm looking at you, Mississippi Stud.
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VLT's are still under lottery commission rules, and many lottery commissions require ID for payouts over $600. This is separate from IRS rules.

edit: $600 or more.

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So Finger Lakes Race Track (VLT, racino) had police checking ID's at the door. I assume any TITO at the cage over $600 was taxable, that may have increased to $2,000 this year.
From that behavior, I'd assume Resorts World NYC had police checking ID's at the door and TITO's over $600 were taxable, but that was raised to $2,000 this year. But with this new upgrade in gambling license, the police may be removed from checking ID's at the door, and TITO's will no longer be taxable at the cage and may even have a $3K limit each at a kiosk. Table games, previously banned, that have side bets that pay 300 to 1 or better and pay over $2,000 will have a tax form. Normal sub-300 to 1 payouts will not be taxable despite being over $2,000. I'm looking at you, Mississippi Stud.
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The $2000 limit is for Vegas style casinos. The VLT casinos will still have $600 as the limit. They have separate gaming commission rules. Which is why it's been $600 and not $1200 all this time.

As for the police at Finger Lakes, NYS law is racetrack security must be licensed police officers under the "peace officer" designation so they are police officers without guns basically.

Any VLT that is part of a racetrack must have these. Empire Casino in Yonkers also has police. All NYS casinos have security at the entrance per NYS law to prevent minors from entering. Some places check everyone's ID. Technically a choice of the casino. The police are just following the casinos rules

Resorts World in Aqueduct does NOT have them because the adjoining racetrack is a separate entity with different owners. However the actual racetrack has those same peace officers. So basically All the racetracks in NYS do. Those that are owned in conjunction with a VLT, the VLT facility will share the same peace officers rule.

I was so excited to go to the casino and not gamble that I only slept four hours. Hopefully I’ll be inside by 10:00 a.m. Eastern

Everything I predicted in this forum was true
The only other game I didn’t know about was Pai Gow Poker
There will be many more games in July

today is Tuesday, April 28, 2026, the Resorts World New York City in Queens is celebrating its grand opening of live table games now. See photos.

The owner Mr Lim cuts the ribbons .Alongside with Mr Lim legendary Queens rapper Nas rolls the ceremonial "first roll" of the dice at the new craps tables.

Just got home.
Four things I wanted to say:

1. I noticed the only game without a side bet here is Pai Gow Tiles. I have an idea for a progressive side bet for this game if anyone is interested in developing it with me.
2. To clarify blackjack rules, you can double after splitting and you can re-split aces.
3. I wouldn't have gone to the casino if people in this forum hadn't voiced doubts as to the veracity of my claims lol
4. I think that the diversity of table games here is pretty low given the size. There are 234 tables and only 11 games (Blackjack, Let It Ride, Crazy 4 Poker, Baccarat, Roulette, Pai Gow Tiles, Pai Gow Poker, Three Card Poker, Ultimate Texas HoldEm, Craps, and Mississippi Stud). The game with the most tables by far was Baccarat. I am certain that more diversity will be arriving in July - I'm especially hoping for some blackjack varieties! Perhaps the inside source who told me that there was going to be Spanish 21 was not incorrect, but actually referring to a game that will be available in the near future.

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Just got home.
Four things I wanted to say:

1. I noticed the only game without a side bet here is Pai Gow Tiles. I have an idea for a progressive side bet for this game if anyone is interested in developing it with me.
2. To clarify blackjack rules, you can double after splitting and you can re-split aces.
3. I wouldn't have gone to the casino if people in this forum hadn't voiced doubts as to the veracity of my claims lol
4. I think that the diversity of table games here is pretty low given the size. There are 234 tables and only 11 games (Blackjack, Let It Ride, Crazy 4 Poker, Baccarat, Roulette, Pai Gow Tiles, Pai Gow Poker, Three Card Poker, Ultimate Texas HoldEm, Craps, and Mississippi Stud). The game with the most tables by far was Baccarat. I am certain that more diversity will be arriving in July - I'm especially hoping for some blackjack varieties! Perhaps the inside source who told me that there was going to be Spanish 21 was not incorrect, but actually referring to a game that will be available in the near future.
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Can you see what sidebets are available on the baccarat tables? Maybe a pic?

Oh you're gone already...

I don't think I've ever been allowed to take a picture of a table so I don't bother asking.

The first side bets I saw on Baccarat were Moon 8, Sun 7, and Golden Talons
Then I saw the exact same thing but with a different name. I don't know why they would have identical side bets from different distributors.

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I don't think I've ever been allowed to take a picture of a table so I don't bother asking.

The first side bets I saw on Baccarat were Moon 8, Sun 7, and Golden Talons
Then I saw the exact same thing but with a different name. I don't know why they would have identical side bets from different distributors.
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a b test

I got a free T Shirt so it was worth it to get four hours of sleep

I got a free one too from my local casino

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I got a free T Shirt so it was worth it to get four hours of sleep
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You need to be more logical. It was worth it to spend four hours on visiting the new casino.

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I got a free T Shirt so it was worth it to get four hours of sleep
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But the city does not use subway tokens and no one under 50 would even recognize them.

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But the city does not use subway tokens and no one under 50 would even recognize them.
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Yeah I didn't know what this was until you mentioned it

According to the rules online - Three Card Poker has an ante bonus that is not displayed on the Wizard of Odds' website. The ante bonus is 6:1 for Straight Flush, 5:1 for Three of a Kind, and 1:1 for a Straight.

The house edge should therefore be approximately 2.9%.

Visited the place earlier today. Fourteen Craps tables. Three of them open. $25 min.

All fully packed with players.

A sea of Blackjack and Baccarat tables.

About half of them were open.

Blackjack pays 3:2, but the dealer hits on soft 17’s. Don’t know about Late Surrender.

Blackjack minimums were $50, $100, $200 and $500.

Lots of players at the $100 min tables.

Baccarat minimums were $100, $200, $500 and $1000.

The higher limit tables were staffed, but no one was playing.

The open $100 min tables were full.

They still have $5 min Stadium Baccarat on the second floor. Around 250 seats, and every one to them occupied.

The first floor is closed for renovations.

I’ll stick with PARX and Foxwoods.

I'm trying to keep score. What were the table maximums? Sounds like a casino for millionaires only.

There was definitely a $30,000 maximum on some Baccarat tables, maybe it went higher.

I will note that I did see two $15 minimums; one for Roulette (double zero, like the rest) and one for Three Card Poker (which as I mentioned, has a uniquely favorable pay table). Not a bad deal compared to many casinos in America.

You need to be a high roller to tourist your way to the hotel down there. People who live around the corner without need of a hotel room will be priced out.

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But the city does not use subway tokens and no one under 50 would even recognize them.
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What a coincidence, no one under 50 goes to this casino.

@Tanko

Good idea!

U stick with Fox & Parx

I stick with 9 casinos in AC

Hey
You can get a free ride ($38 fare less $50 casino credit) from this NYC Victoria Casino bus to AC

Resorts World opens first live table games casino in NYC WPIX 11-TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-kxlMfGoSc

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@Tanko

Good idea!

U stick with Fox & Parx

I stick with 9 casinos in AC

Hey
You can get a free ride ($38 fare less $50 casino credit) from this NYC Victoria Casino bus to AC



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@Harris
Here is the current bus schedule

Don't forget your $25 voucher and $25 slot play!

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The first floor is closed for renovations.

I’ll stick with PARX and Foxwoods.
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I would hazard a guess that the first floor renovations are actually the computer switch of all the slot machines from the lottery terminals to traditional casino slots.

I know a technician at Yonkers Empire casino who said if they got the license they had a plan for shutting down half the slots for the switch, then the other half. This sounds like a similar plan at resorts.

is there any kind of sign on the ... lottery/slot... machines that indicate they are indeed a lottery or is it just a bare looking slot machine? and do they have the same "themes" such as dragon link or popular named slots?

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is there any kind of sign on the ... lottery/slot... machines that indicate they are indeed a lottery or is it just a bare looking slot machine? and do they have the same "themes" such as dragon link or popular named slots?
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They are similar themes. They definitely have dragon links.

What they never have are must hits. I'm guessing because the must hit mechanism is antithetical to the way the slots determine outcomes through random lottery ticket drawings.

I am pretty certain there is a NYS Lottery plaque on each slot

Definitely every single TITO makes certain you know.

Those are both regular and JACKPOT vouchers. You never win cash paid at the slots. You win a jackpot voucher which you take to the cashier for payment.

"All video lottery games allow multiple players to compete for prizes awarded as a result of random drawings."

Very interesting... so is it like the Class II bingo machines where there MUST be more than one player in order to win a prize... is it pari-mutuel i guess is my next question...

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"All video lottery games allow multiple players to compete for prizes awarded as a result of random drawings."

Very interesting... so is it like the Class II bingo machines where there MUST be more than one player in order to win a prize... is it pari-mutuel i guess is my next question...
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No not to my understanding.

The games are separate entities based on their payout requirements to hit NY's 90% return. Each slot machine is similar to how there are varying lotto games (pick 6, pick 4, yada yada) with a set number of losing tickets, winning but still less than or equal tickets and profitable tickets. A larger majority of small wins compared to big wins with extremely few major jackpots. These are digitally "printed" and you randomly get a ticket in their central server which determines your outcome and the corresponding symbols you win on the slot

As you can see that wouldn't work for a must hit which has a predetermined trigger for $xxx in advance so those are not in NYS VLT.

There are however progressive jackpots and to some extent they become slightly predictable due to the 90% payout requirements.

In 2019 someone won the wheel of fortune for $2.9 million. Three months ago the progressive on the same machine was very high again and hit -- for $2.9 million yet again. Sometimes it hits earlier but when it gets high is when to start playing.

And yes I was playing it. Didn't win. The actual win was the next day. I cried a little, trust me.

So basically it like playing lottery tickets you would buy in a store. You don't need anyone to be playing at any given time. You buy a ticket and scratch it off when you want. Here you are "buying" a ticket when you press the button. Which is why they are not even called slots under the regulations but VLT or Video Lottery Terminals.

@Harris

To compete against NYC Resorts World
Caesars Corp reopens its ViP Diamond Lounge





Competition is good for CONSUMERS!

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@Harris

To compete against NYC Resorts World
Caesars Corp reopens its ViP Diamond Lounge





Competition is good for CONSUMERS!
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Don't understand the comparison.
is RW offering free food for it's upper casino card tiers?