Smoking to Resume in June (AC)
Quote: DeMangoDon't know if the Palace in Biloxi is who you speak of.
It is not, but this has been pretty common around the midwest.
They used to let you lose until dawn, and now a lot.of places close down around 2am for "enhanced cleaning".
I think it's mostly marketing putting a positive spin on their negative situation; I doubt that the housekeepers are doing much extra.
Mostly, I expect that the count crews find it easier to pull the lockboxes with nobody in the way, and maybe the machines get hit with a Lysol wipe.
Quote: DeMango...need Uncle Sam to wield the stick.
Careful about handing Sam the stick. He may get too used to wielding it.
Quote: CalderCareful about handing Sam the stick. He may get too used to wielding it.
He already has, but this should be above politics.
I was excited when they went smoke-free and started promoting them on the top of the page on my site (Easy Vegas), as well as in-the-page on my List of Vegas Casinos, because I want them to succeed. They're the only land casino I've ever promoted on the site in the 20+ years I've run the site.
I've got the top-of-the-page promo set so that it randomly alternates between the Park MGM promo and my chastisement of Sahara, so if you see the Sahara thing, just reload until you see Park MGM.
Full disclosure: I get a commission if anyone books at Park MGM after clicking through from my site, but I would promote them anyway even if there were no commission. I link to lots of sites where there's no commission (because they don't have an affiliate program), like Skiplagged, and I still want to recommend the best stuff to my readers.
Quote: MichaelBluejayEleven pages about smoking in casinos and not one mention of Park MGM, the only non-smoking casino in Vegas!
I was excited when they went smoke-free and started promoting them on the top of the page on my site (Easy Vegas), as well as in-the-page on my List of Vegas Casinos, because I want them to succeed. They're the only land casino I've ever promoted on the site in the 20+ years I've run the site.
I've got the top-of-the-page promo set so that it randomly alternates between the Park MGM promo and my chastisement of Sahara, so if you see the Sahara thing, just reload until you see Park MGM.
Full disclosure: I get a commission if anyone books at Park MGM after clicking through from my site, but I would promote them anyway even if there were no commission. I link to lots of sites where there's no commission (because they don't have an affiliate program), like Skiplagged, and I still want to recommend the best stuff to my readers.
Wait a minute...so he literally called it, "One of our favorite casinos in Vegas," and said they were, "Rooting for it," and they sued him anyway? (re: Sahara)
Quote: MichaelBluejayEleven pages about smoking in casinos and not one mention of Park MGM, the only non-smoking casino in Vegas!
I was excited when they went smoke-free and started promoting them on the top of the page on my site (Easy Vegas), as well as in-the-page on my List of Vegas Casinos, because I want them to succeed. They're the only land casino I've ever promoted on the site in the 20+ years I've run the site.
I've got the top-of-the-page promo set so that it randomly alternates between the Park MGM promo and my chastisement of Sahara, so if you see the Sahara thing, just reload until you see Park MGM.
Full disclosure: I get a commission if anyone books at Park MGM after clicking through from my site, but I would promote them anyway even if there were no commission. I link to lots of sites where there's no commission (because they don't have an affiliate program), like Skiplagged, and I still want to recommend the best stuff to my readers.
Its a great example, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
To be fair I was mostly focused on AC and usually only incidentally mentioned NV as a comparison in this thread.
But, in what I have read they seem very proud of themselves for a fully smoke free casino, and how they value the health and safety of their customers and staff, etc...
Here is my question, if MGM was suddenly so concerned why allow smoking at all their other properties? (I am aware that at least some, not all, of their other casinos have separated smoking and nonsmoking areas somewhat similar to AC, but most here seem to be opposed even to that).
It seems that they still want to have properties that will cater to smokers, and test the waters with a fully nonsmoking property. If health was their concern, they would go 100% nonsmoking at all of their properties overnight.
It seems like they want to hedge their bets to see how it plays out:
“With an expansive Las Vegas portfolio, MGM Resorts is able to offer an array of options for visitors, all within the MGM Resorts family.”
https://attractionsmagazine.com/park-mgm-reopening-as-first-fully-smoke-free-casino-resort-on-strip/
Which really has been my prediction all along, some casinos will open nonsmoking, some will be smoking, and some will have separated areas designated as smoking or nonsmoking. I have zero issue with nonsmoking casinos opening (in fact I wish more would, or in the case of NV more with separate areas, so this would not be an issue and people who do not wish to smoke can have ample places to go that does not involve complaining about second hand smoke, and people who want to smoke don't have to feel guilty about who they happen to walk near). I just have issues with State-wide bans.
Yes, that's exactly what happened.Quote: Mission146Wait a minute...so he literally called it, "One of our favorite casinos in Vegas," and said they were, "Rooting for it," and they sued him anyway? (re: Sahara)
Scott doesn't just report on Vegas news, he's a booster. He's not shy about singing a casino's praises, and that included Sahara. For Sahara to sue him...talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
He also clearly identified his news piece as a rumor and said it was unconfirmed, multiple times. That had a lot to do with why Sahara's lawsuit went down in flames.
I feel a kind of kinship with Scott, because we both run information-dense sites about Vegas that are free to read. Frivolous lawsuits could impact our ability to do so. That's why I took it personally when Sahara sued Scott. It could have been me. I started a Hall of Shame just so Sahara could be the inaugural member, and now, even months after Sahara lost its suit, I'm still trumpeting Sahara's actions prominently on my site. I'll probably do so for years, unless and until Sahara apologizes to Scott, and promises never to frivolously sue a webmaster again, though I doubt they'll ever do so.
On my List of Vegas Casinos, the most popular page on the site, I link to all the Strip casinos for booking, and now it occurs to me that I've still got the link up to Sahara. I'm removing that right now. No, on second thought, I'll link it to the Hall of Shame.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/29/southwest-pauses-plan-to-resume-alcohol-sales-after-flight-attendant-assault.html
Now I mention this because it occurred to me earlier in the thread that a lot of the opposition to smoking in casinos is due to dealer safety (which can have many parallels to flight attendants as far as regular customer interaction, and no doubt regular negative customer interaction).
An interesting thought experiment would be would the same people who are against smoking in casinos support unions who were against drinking in casinos for dealer safety if there was a movement to get alcohol banned? "Violent Acts" are the biggest danger to Casino Floor Workers as far as on the job deaths and on the job injuries go, and almost all (with the exception of some planned robberies) involve customer alcohol consumption.
(Not even getting into the negative personal implications of alcohol consumption while gambling as far as poor decision making).
I think it really comes down to personal preference, more people enjoy alcohol than tobacco (and more people are bothered by second hand smoke), so more people are willing for smoking to be banned and not worry about the risks of alcohol in public (even if in many cases they can be worse).
For example I recently found out that the reason cocktail waitresses in AC still sometimes say "Coffee Juice Water" when they come around is because until very recently (and since the inception of gambling in AC), it was illegal for casinos to verbally offer alcohol to customers, they could bring it to you if asked, but they could not offer it or verbalize it. (which is why still some AC cocktail waitresses still say the "coffee water" line, you can tell often they probably have been doing it for decades are are so used to it that they never updated their line). Basically casinos could physically provide free alcohol if requested (if they had a casino alcohol license, which as far as I could tell all AC casinos have always had), but could not advertise it, including even verbal mentions by staff. This is no longer the case, but it was one way to make the appearance and discussion of alcohol less prevalent.
https://www.southjersey.com/article/6382/NJ-May-Change-Casino-Drink-Law
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For example I recently found out that the reason cocktail waitresses in AC still sometimes say "Coffee Juice Water" when they come around is because until very recently (and since the inception of gambling in AC), it was illegal for casinos to verbally offer alcohol to customers, they could bring it to you if asked, but they could not offer it or verbalize
Yes, I know my first 20 years of going to AC they never offered alcohol on the floor. I don't know when it changed.
Well it seems the order banning smoking is still in effect. This article (which also includes a poll) has 26.6 wanting smoking to return and 73.4 wanting it banned. That is probably a fair estimation if you force people into a binary (and don't offer other options such as ventilated sealed rooms, etc...)
The governor seems to be being intentionally obtuse by not answering questions. My fear now has returned that he will keep extending executive orders until the legislature bans it.
“No update on smoke, nothing there,” Gov. Phil Murphy NJ
Quote: mcallister3200Received an email survey from Plaza to vote whether or not they want to have a smoking property. Good for them for trying to listen to if their customers want a smoking property rather than telling them that they want a smoking property. Cigars are completely absurd to allow, smoking pot on the floor wouldn't leave any more stank than that.
It will likely be a 75% ban it and 25% keep it. By my guess, smokers account for around 20%....and throw in another 5% who don’t smoke but want to keep smoking privileges.
Cigars are absurd.
I have about ZERO respect for the Governor of Nevada on this subject. At least the Governor of NJ realized the covid implications and ability to remove your mask...and said “no go” on ANY smoking.
This Governor not only allowed mask removal for cigs, cigars and vape....all the while demanding everyone wear a mask “for our state”.
Zero respect. Zero. Total hypocrite. He wouldn’t even take a question on the subject. Kudos to Murphy in NJ. He at least reacted to the ridiculous allowance of “mask up for everyone”....”unless you want to smoke and blow the contents of your lungs all over the place.”
Quote: mcallister3200Received an email survey from Plaza to vote whether or not they want to have a smoking property. Good for them for trying to listen to if their customers want a smoking property rather than telling them that they want a smoking property. Cigars are completely absurd to allow, smoking pot on the floor wouldn't leave any more stank than that.
And, that is perfect.
That is all we (my side) wants, lobby casinos and let them do their own market research, and gauge their own policies. If they want to ban, limit, or allow smoking, and how to enforce it (or not enforce it), that will be on them.
But, we don't want a State forced ban for all establishments in the State. Let casinos make their own choice and players will reward casino by frequenting casino with policies that they prefer. Casinos are adult establishments (where health is not a factor), management can determine what vices to allow in their casino and what risks they are willing to take, etc.....
However, as for your last point Cigars smell way better than cigarettes. Even before I ever touched tobacco I enjoyed the smell of cigars. (Marijuana I agree smells terrible).
Quote: GandlerAnd, that is perfect.
That is all we (my side) wants, lobby casinos and let them do their own market research, and gauge their own policies. If they want to ban, limit, or allow smoking, and how to enforce it (or not enforce it), that will be on them.
But, we don't want a State forced ban for all establishments in the State. Let casinos make their own choice and players will reward casino by frequenting casino with policies that they prefer. Casinos are adult establishments (where health is not a factor), management can determine what vices to allow in their casino and what risks they are willing to take, etc.....
However, as for your last point Cigars smell way better than cigarettes. Even before I ever touched tobacco I enjoyed the smell of cigars. (Marijuana I agree smells terrible). [/q I actually like the smell of cigars when they aren’t lit. Once they are lit I would rather smell cigarettes unless it’s those small cigars like Tijuana smalls or those little flavored ones.Happy days are here again
https://www.casino.org/news/atlantic-city-casino-industry-folds-on-smoking-discussion/
https://metrophiladelphia.com/panel-discussion-on-atlantic-city-casino-smoking-is-scrapped/
During the 2022 ECGC there was supposed to be a panel on smoking in Atlantic City Casinos. However, the casinos backed out. It appears that casinos are still of the view that smoking should be allowed. And, they now have union support, so the latest State legislation is expected stall and fall off despite initial bipartisan support (Dems don't want to offend the union and Republicans don't want to offend the corporations).
"A CANJ-commissioned study on the issue backed that conclusion. According to the study, annual gaming revenue might drop 25% should cigarettes no longer be tolerated inside the casinos, and as many as 2,500 jobs would be in jeopardy."
It seems that casinos are more worried about revenue than the health aspects, and their arguments are purely based on revenue projections and jobs.
"The Casino Association of New Jersey has been very transparent in its position that an immediate smoking ban would have a significant adverse effect on Atlantic City,” Giannantonio told the Associated Press. “We believe that more time is needed to devise and implement a solution that will address the concerns of our employees without jeopardizing jobs"
"Senate Bill 264 and Assembly Bill 2151 have broad bipartisan support, and enough state lawmakers have lent their support to the measures to send the legislation to New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy (D), who favors making the casinos go smoke-free.
But the bills haven’t been put up for a vote in either legislative chamber.
Democratic leaders are reportedly hesitant to move forward with the legislative effort because Atlantic City’s leading casino union, Unite Here Local 54, has joined the casino industry in opposing such a change on fears that jobs could be lost. "
When the casino execs and the union both are in opposition, movement is expected to stop.
Its kind of strange, because NJ is not like a lot of States where you can still smoke at will in bars and restaurants. NJ has (and for long has had for decades) a strict smoking ban pretty much everywhere with casinos being the one exception. So, its kind of strange that in 2022 there is still pushback to ending the casino loophole.
Now, I support smoking in casinos (honestly, I support smoking in any private business if the owner chooses), so I am not complaining, but its an interesting dynamic for NJ specifically where clearly financial interests trump health interests even when there is overwhelming support.
My guess would be smoking will eventually be banned, but only when the population of smokers becomes so low, that the casinos make more money not catering to them. I would guess (in NJ) smoking in casinos would be banned no later than 2035. There will probably be pushes before then to lower the ratio (currently 25/75) locally (this is a City Ordinance, not a State Law, but they will probably use it to petition the State to be locally regulated), I can see it getting lowered to 10% before being banned, and maybe even just designated lounges and are separately ventilated.
Quote: DRichSome of the casinos I worked for casino gaming went down 70% when smoking was banned inside. There is a huge overlap between smokers and degenerate gamblers.
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I believe that, I think smokers are like 20% of gamblers but contribute something like 80% of revenue (I am vastly estimating on numbers I have heard, not an actual cite, but its something like that).
Gene
Perhaps bad data or somthing else cased the business to go down. It may be isolated to just that area. The loss of one big whale could have an impact as well.Quote: GenoDRPhMassachusetts mandates casino be non-smoking, including any Indian casinos. When non-smoking Plainridge Park (slots parlor, electronic games, live harness racing and simulcast horse racing) opened in 2015, business went DOWN at smoking allowed Twin Rivers, just over the border in RI. Our experience is smoking status did not impact casino revenue, and gamblers preferred the non-smoking casinos. This dovetails with our state's low rate of tobacco use.
Gene
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There’s enough nonsmoking places throughout the country. I miss some opportunities but it’s not worth my health.
I didn't hear (and couldn't find) anything about the Venetian going smoke-free. What's the deal? You can smoke at the slots and that's it?Quote: MDawgBan smoking at all casinos!
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Quote: MichaelBluejayI didn't hear (and couldn't find) anything about the Venetian going smoke-free. What's the deal? You can smoke at the slots and that's it?Quote: MDawgBan smoking at all casinos!
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Some casinos have done this to protect the dealers from second hand smoke.
Try to find very successful casinos that are non-smoking in markets where smoking is allowed. There are very few if any. If all casinos went non-smoking the markets will adapt.
I play only high limit salons and in the Venetian/Palazzo high limit salons at least last time I played which was pretty recently, the policy remains.
Caesars is probably one of the worst with the smoking policy - the only way to get a no smoking Baccarat table, for example, is to get a private table and allow no one on it. At least at the other casinos they will allow a public Bacc table here and there to be designated temporarily No Smoking, or have one here and there that is permanently no smoking.
But still as far as I know Venetian/Palazzo are the only ones with entire rooms (high limit salons) with No Smoking.
Gene
Quote: GandlerAn interesting thought experiment would be would the same people who are against smoking in casinos support unions who were against drinking in casinos for dealer safety if there was a movement to get alcohol banned? "Violent Acts" are the biggest danger to Casino Floor Workers as far as on the job deaths and on the job injuries go, and almost all (with the exception of some planned robberies) involve customer alcohol consumption.
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The smoking vs. alcohol comparison is deeply flawed for two reasons:
— There is no comparable "second hand alcohol" phenomenon to "second-hand smoke". People can get asthmatic reactions to smoke in any concentration, whereas for alcohol, there's very little similar sensitivity
— Most people asked for an opinion base it on their personal convenience, not on any consideration for casino workers.
For instance, if I have a rack full of cheques at the craps table, I don't want to go through the hassle of coloring up and finding another table without some puffer right next to me. On the other hand, if I'm huddled around a Mississippi Stud table, I really don't care how many drinks the guy next to me is sloshing down, so long as he doesn't spill it on the table..
Also, I don't support unions (but also don't want them banned). If you want to lock yourself into a job where merit doesnt' matter, go ahead. To comment further gets into politics, so I'll stop here.
MDawg, can I use your photo of the Venetian sign on my website?
Funny I was just about to post about how I verified the same. 🙂
The greatest advantage to the non smoker is in the Venetian/Palazzo high limit (table game) salons because then you have an entire somewhat closed off area that is non smoking.
Quote: BillHasRetiredQuote: GandlerAn interesting thought experiment would be would the same people who are against smoking in casinos support unions who were against drinking in casinos for dealer safety if there was a movement to get alcohol banned? "Violent Acts" are the biggest danger to Casino Floor Workers as far as on the job deaths and on the job injuries go, and almost all (with the exception of some planned robberies) involve customer alcohol consumption.
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The smoking vs. alcohol comparison is deeply flawed for two reasons:
— There is no comparable "second hand alcohol" phenomenon to "second-hand smoke". People can get asthmatic reactions to smoke in any concentration, whereas for alcohol, there's very little similar sensitivity
— Most people asked for an opinion base it on their personal convenience, not on any consideration for casino workers.
For instance, if I have a rack full of cheques at the craps table, I don't want to go through the hassle of coloring up and finding another table without some puffer right next to me. On the other hand, if I'm huddled around a Mississippi Stud table, I really don't care how many drinks the guy next to me is sloshing down, so long as he doesn't spill it on the table..
Also, I don't support unions (but also don't want them banned). If you want to lock yourself into a job where merit doesnt' matter, go ahead. To comment further gets into politics, so I'll stop here.
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The simple solution is to play at a table in the nonsmoking section then you don't have to worry about moving if somebody lighting up next to you.
But there is a comparison to workplace danger. Constant exposure to secondhand smoke causes danger. Constant exposure to intoxicated people causes danger. Arguments for the safety of casino workers are the strongest arguments, because everyone else can walk away at any time.
I mean let's be realistic if we wanted 100% safe casinos for both customers and workers, smoking would be banned, alcohol would be banned and you would have to pass a breathalyzer to get in (besides the violence it leads to individually damaging behavior such as going beyond your bankroll), a credit check would be required to ensure people are responsible, ATMs would be limited, your name would be checked to make sure it was not on any self-exclusion registries, and limits on betting based on the individual would be imposed. But, this would be impractical (and never supported by anyone except for people who are 100% against casinos).
Casinos are an inherently dangerous environment, and nobody goes there for their mental or physical health. They are meant to be buildings where you can indulge in adult vices legally.
Quote: GenoDRPhThere is no public establishment where it is ever necessary for patrons or workers to sacrifice their physical and mental health in order to patronize such establishment. Casinos are no different. For better of for worse, second hand smoke isn't included in second hand smoke laws in Nevada.
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To the best of my knowledge that is why no one is required to enter a place that allows smoking.
Gene
I've been eager to learn how Park MGM has been faring with its new non-smoking policy, and I'd hoped that MGM Resorts' 10-K filing with the SEC would say, but it doesn't show casino-by-casino performance, only region-by-region. However, there's lots of other interesting stuff in it (such as revenues by category for 2019, 2020, 2021, which is roughly pre, during-, and post-COVID).
Speaking of 10-K reports, when I do things like tabulate how many rooms each casino/hotel has (or how large the casinos are), I manually dig up the data from sources like 10-K reports. All the other sites just copy each other, which means that the first site gets it wrong, and then all the other sites copy the mistakes. And the mistakes are numerous.
Quote: GenoDRPhIn MA, we don't. Furthermore, our non-smoking casinos are taking business from the smoking casinos in neighboring states.
Gene
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This could be ascribed to people preferring a shorter drive to and from their evening's entertainment.
An extra 25 minutes there and an extra 25 minutes back (or, more realistically, an extra 25 minutes total - I've been through Boston) does add up.
Quote: MichaelBluejayThanks for the photo permission, MDawg! Here's my Vegas Crash Course where your photo appears. (Scroll down to the "Smoking" section.)
I've been eager to learn how Park MGM has been faring with its new non-smoking policy, and I'd hoped that MGM Resorts' 10-K filing with the SEC would say, but it doesn't show casino-by-casino performance, only region-by-region. However, there's lots of other interesting stuff in it (such as revenues by category for 2019, 2020, 2021, which is roughly pre, during-, and post-COVID).
Speaking of 10-K reports, when I do things like tabulate how many rooms each casino/hotel has (or how large the casinos are), I manually dig up the data from sources like 10-K reports. All the other sites just copy each other, which means that the first site gets it wrong, and then all the other sites copy the mistakes. And the mistakes are numerous.
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Thanks for reminding me about ParkMGM. I’ll be in Vegas for 5 days in October for boys golf trip and wanted wifey to come for 4 nights before, but she HATED the smoke filled Paris hotel we were staying at. Said the smoke makes it not worth going. Next time I want her to come I’ll tout the ParkMGM.
If you use the link on my site when you book, or easy.vegas/parkmgm, I get a kickback!Quote: SOOPOOThanks for reminding me about ParkMGM. I’ll be in Vegas for 5 days in October for boys golf trip and wanted wifey to come for 4 nights before, but she HATED the smoke filled Paris hotel we were staying at. Said the smoke makes it not worth going. Next time I want her to come I’ll tout the ParkMGM.
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"I get a kickback!"Quote: MichaelBluejayIf you use the link on my site when you book, or easy.vegas/parkmgm, I get a kickback!Quote: SOOPOOThanks for reminding me about ParkMGM. I’ll be in Vegas for 5 days in October for boys golf trip and wanted wifey to come for 4 nights before, but she HATED the smoke filled Paris hotel we were staying at. Said the smoke makes it not worth going. Next time I want her to come I’ll tout the ParkMGM.
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Respect for adding that to your post.
Quote: AxelWolf"I get a kickback!"
Respect for adding that to your post.
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I agree Michael, I was going to make that same comment as it is nice when people admit they might benefit from something.
I get emails from Seneca casinos in New York. They sent out promo emails about the return of smoking, so it is probably important to their business, but brought it back as the reverse of their old system. The non-smoking sections are now smoking sections. Smoking is only allowed in a small portion of floor that is separated from the main casino by glass. If casinos want smoking, making a little smokers' zoo makes the most sense to me.
. The entire part of the casino that houses the high limit slots and the only Pai Gow table they are using is in the smoking section. The main bank of Ultimate X machines are also in the smoking section. In theory if they get busier they will have a Pai Gow table open in the non smoking area. I won’t be holding my breath!Quote: itsmejeffI am surprised that casinos are allowing smoking again and more surprised that it is returning to the full gaming floor in most places.
I get emails from Seneca casinos in New York. They sent out promo emails about the return of smoking, so it is probably important to their business, but brought it back as the reverse of their old system. The non-smoking sections are now smoking sections. Smoking is only allowed in a small portion of floor that is separated from the main casino by glass. If casinos want smoking, making a little smokers' zoo makes the most sense to me.
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Edit. My post is about Seneca Niagara.
Quote: MichaelBluejayA non-profit maintains a directory of non-smoking casinos in the U.S., but it's a little glitchy. In Vegas, it lists Aces & Ales and Sand Dollar Lounge as commercial casinos, but they're actually just bars which are licensed to have no more than 15 machines, like convenience stores. The directory also doesn't list casinos that have smokefree areas; the whole casino has to be 100% smokefree in order to make the list.
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Its an interesting project and a good list. But, listing, "Off-Track Betting Facility", "Dog Track", and "Horse Track", in the same list as casinos is a bit misleading. And, I have no idea what kind of betting establishment a, "Jai Alai Fronton" is (apparently, they must be popular in Florida, and google does not give any clear answers).
But, there really should be a filter based on legality. For example, most "commercial casinos" (setting aside "Indian Casinos") that make the bulk of the list are in States where 100% smoke-free casinos are mandated.
A list where only States with no smoking restrictions in casinos would be more informative, because obviously States with 100% smoking bans are going to have smoke free casinos....
For example (per this list) there are zero non-smoking casinos in NJ, and only six in Nevada. (Again, counting only "commercial casinos", not all the other random betting related properties).
Again, there aren't really six non-smoking casinos in Nevada, because they're counting bars (which can't have more than 15 machines, like convenience stores), and the Reno Airport. Really, it's only Park MGM (Vegas) and Fernley Nugget (Fernley), and the Fernley Nugget is tiny.Quote: GandlerFor example (per this list) there are zero non-smoking casinos in NJ, and only six in Nevada.
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Quote: MichaelBluejayAgain, there aren't really six non-smoking casinos in Nevada, because they're counting bars (which can't have more than 15 machines, like convenience stores), and the Reno Airport. Really, it's only Park MGM (Vegas) and Fernley Nugget (Fernley), and the Fernley Nugget is tiny.Quote: GandlerFor example (per this list) there are zero non-smoking casinos in NJ, and only six in Nevada.
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Yeah, I automatically subtracted the airport (there are seven if you include that). I assumed the other places were legit casinos, but I guess not. Even more of a bizarre list then.
Also, bets such as hardways, horn and bonus craps would be banned. Too hazardousQuote: Gandler[
I mean let's be realistic if we wanted 100% safe casinos for both customers and workers, smoking would be banned, alcohol would be banned and you would have to pass a breathalyzer to get in (besides the violence it leads to individually damaging behavior such as going beyond your bankroll), a credit check would be required to ensure people are responsible, ATMs would be limited, your name would be checked to make sure it was not on any self-exclusion registries, and limits on betting based on the individual would be imposed. But, this would be impractical (and never supported by anyone except for people who are 100% against casinos).
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/smoking-or-non-smoking/
