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March 12th, 2015 at 8:44:49 PM permalink

Quote: MprtUSA516
I have never posted there so I don't know what their posting policy is. They are a private company and can set the rules as they wish.

I will say that most of those who say it's not safe have never visited the area. Those who have say it's fine.

+1 again. We are not reccomending that people visit an unsafe area of Camden.

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March 12th, 2015 at 10:00:28 PM permalink

Quote: MprtUSA516
I have never posted there so I don't know what their posting policy is. They are a private company and can set the rules as they wish. I will say that most of those who say it's not safe have never visited the area. Those who have say it's fine.

Yup. They've got to be sauntering up and down a major thoroughfare like Adm. Wilson Blvd. at 11 p.m. on any given night. :(

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March 13th, 2015 at 5:56:58 AM permalink

Quote: MprtUSA516
I have never posted there so I don't know what their posting policy is. They are a private company and can set the rules as they wish.

I will say that most of those who say it's not safe have never visited the area. Those who have say it's fine.

How would we know what most people are saying either way, if they silence people that have anything negative to say regarding safety issues?

I must misunderstand how TA works, I thought TA was a company that gathered unbiased information(good or bad) from travelers, vacationers, locals etc, so people can make better informed decisions where to go and stay. Isn't that the reason people use TA? If they only allow fluff, what good is it? I realize the information may sometimes be exaggerated either way but that shouldn't the customers be the ones to make that determination? If a place is safer than not the legitimate reviews should outweigh the bogus ones. I have a feeling there are shills who also lie and hype up the safety. that should cancel out the trolls.

I seeing a trend, it's sounding like a private company who doesn't care about the truth or legitimate opinions, they just want to suppress anything that's not positive.

I don't want anything to do with TripAdvisor if they are banning people just because people have a negative opinion about the safety of a particular place. Unless they can prove it's 100% safe it's BS to ban people for negative safety comments.

PS I have been in some of the worst places in Las Vegas many times and never had a problem that doesn't mean its safe. Someone doesn't have to visit northtown to know it's not safe.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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March 13th, 2015 at 9:15:11 AM permalink

You really don't know much about Trip Advisor. It is a public $12 BILLION market cap company that makes money off of people traveling. The reviews they leave alone, unless they find fraud, i.e. the company posting positive reviews on their own properties. The forums they do regulate, but the vast majority of the closed topics are because they are not mainstream travel related and people get banned their for the some reasons as they do on this forum, mult-id and swearing etc.

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March 13th, 2015 at 11:42:40 AM permalink

Wow, what devastation. I had no idea that Camden was so indigent. I have never been to Camden, and really have no need or desire to but answer me this, are there areas that are nice for travelers? I see that the Aquarium gets a lot of visitors. My territory for work is Brooklyn, NY, now there's are mix of different safety issues and levels of poverty. Bronxville and East New York are quite different than Park Slope and Williamsburg. I go shopping or go to restaurants in Park Slope but would never think of even driving through East New York. I wouldn't say stay out of Brooklyn but if you don't know what areas of Brooklyn aren't safe then I'd say stay out of Brooklyn especially if you're a woman traveling the public transit system alone.

You only go around once, but if you play your cards right, once is enough.� ¯ Francis Albert

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March 13th, 2015 at 12:14:41 PM permalink

Again the aquarium S center and USS New Jersey area is perfectly safe even late at night. It would be like saying avoid Astoria because it is in the same city as Jamaica. You should really check out the aquarium and USS New Jersey one day.

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March 13th, 2015 at 12:36:31 PM permalink

I live and have grown up a few miles from Camden N.J. As young child I had an elderly Aunt who lived in Camden. She was mugged going to the store and her house was broken into while she was home. Despite these trials she needed considerable persuasion from the family to leave her home of many decades.
Her neighborhood was just not safe anymore, My father and uncles rented a moving truck and moved her to an apartment in the nearby town of Collingswood and put the house up for sale. As soon as the house was empty it wash broken into and trashed. It was repaired and but back on the market. Trashed again.
It was then sold at a considerable discount "as is" since a few more "Visits" would exceed the value of the house. The only thing gained by destroying this house was to deprive an elderly WW1 widow of her money that she needed at that time.
As a teenager a friend's older sister was murdered in Camden. She was a student at Rutgers. Someone for an unknown reason shot her at close range with a shotgun. Have these incidents from decades ago shaped my opinion of Camden? Absolutely!
I would think visiting the Camden Aquarium of Battleship N.J. during daylight hours would be reasonably safe. However, I would drive and avoid public transportation. A trip through the side streets would be most unwise. Camden is a major drug hub for the region. Many buyers take public transportation to buy drugs. Dealers hang around places such as Walter Rand Transportation Center waiting for their "customers" to arrive. I have seen what I assume are addicts on public transportation. They are either nodding off or scratching their skin raw....

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March 13th, 2015 at 1:08:05 PM permalink

Visiting the aquarium and battleship are fine. Getting there is another story. When I took my then 8 year old son to the aquarium, the signage was very poor. I got off the highway and wound up driving through some truly scary areas. No one was around. I was very uneasy and I am a city person, having grown up in Plainfield and lived in Trenton for over 20 years. I see nothing wrong with giving truthful advice to travelers. Some on Trip Advisor seem to want these posts suppressed, at least on the Atlantic City forum.

I give this post an hour. Tee Hee!

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March 13th, 2015 at 3:45:00 PM permalink

Atlantic City is in dire dire straights. You may not notice by the few casinos that are still in operation. Revel rots and will continue to do so, courts refusing sale again and again. Local police, fire, lifeguards are in an uproar over give backs to save the City. Property values are down over 60%. It's just so ugly and will get uglier. How can a seaside resort be so goddamn depressing? How can a Casino town be so poor? Sad.

Camden will have nothing on AC if the police and fire act like the children they are if they don't get their way. BTW the fire chief in AC makes more then the chief of NY. Crazy.

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March 13th, 2015 at 6:42:13 PM permalink

OK fine I cave Camden is dangerous. I went to a concert at the S center once and wound up with a wife and 3 people who refer to me as daddy.

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March 14th, 2015 at 12:19:55 PM permalink

Nah just ribbin ya! Camden is truly an undiscovered gem. Why just take a look at these lovely properties.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Camden+NJ&biw=706&bih=441&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=G4kEVeelPMadNqqZgqgI&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw#tbm=isch&tbs=rimg%3ACRCotTYRzVoHIji3QjmX1G3b_1O9y_1mJECSmWB5TfNAN7HrmL-t1bhN2qNQjn67L-7v1rrJfmKIzPDdvAejuAha8bOSoSCbdCOZfUbdv8EbnKAa4mIsEOKhIJ73L-YkQJKZYR6tZhxYqDavEqEgkHlN80A3seuRHMJVO_1xpJ9WioSCYv63VuE3ao1EUQAeewihtlpKhIJCOfrsv7u_1WsRKHnf5WrxOIQqEgmsl-YojM8N2xEazbUiASSc2SoSCcB6O4CFrxs5EeCitNua8b1o&q=Camden%20NJ&imgdii=EKi1NhHNWgfvVM%3A%3BrJfmKIzPDdvKqM%3BEKi1NhHNWgfvVM%3A

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March 24th, 2015 at 9:59:39 PM permalink

Look whats still up on the old board

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g29750-i78-k8321369-Why_do_folks_still_go_to_Atlantic_City-Atlantic_City_New_Jersey.html

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March 25th, 2015 at 4:14:10 AM permalink

It's still up because it's all positive. The are some, I don't go as often but nothing really knocking AC You don't see one "message removed by TA" If someone said anything knocking AC or anything about it, you can be rest assured it would be removed and/or closed.

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April 8th, 2015 at 9:56:47 PM permalink

Once again look at who is saying Camden is safe on the TA forum. Can someone who is still on TA respond to this, about the dangers of Camden? Tried to get a TA screen name today but I guess they still have my IP blocked. Thanks Ross

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g60795-i113-k8369417-Walking_across_Benjamin_Franklin_Bridge-Philadelphia_Pennsylvania.html

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April 9th, 2015 at 4:25:48 AM permalink

Done. I don't know how anyone can call downtown Camden "safe."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD_DSYr7OyQ

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April 9th, 2015 at 2:16:36 PM permalink

Thanks Dave. Noticed there was one post removed.

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April 9th, 2015 at 4:17:16 PM permalink

I have learned that when you see "This post was determined to be inappropriate by the TripAdvisor community and has been removed", this means that people have reported it via the drop down report inappropriate post options. It takes an unknown number of people to report the post to be removed for it to automatically be removed. If you see "This post was determined to be inappropriate by TripAdvisor and has been removed", one of the moderateors, not a destination expert, had the post removed.
I was following these posts here and on TA to see who responded as you can see who is monitoring this site and then looking at the TA post to react to. It's just a shame if they take the time to review posts here they won't offer their opinions here also. I unfortunately did not see the post that was removed to see if it should have been. There are times that posts do violate their guidelines and should be removed. Here at least we are all big girls and boys and can take it if someone disagrees with our opinions.

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April 9th, 2015 at 6:41:04 PM permalink

I reported that Camden post as inappropriate (from one of our favorite posters) since it was a Philly forum, it wasn't removed. It never is when I report them. So many times when people go on and on, rambling in vocabulary and punctuation marks that make no sense about their arcade experiences, etc. I don't understand why that is travel related, and is allowed to remain.

You only go around once, but if you play your cards right, once is enough.� ¯ Francis Albert

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April 9th, 2015 at 6:52:37 PM permalink

One person reporting a post as inappropriate will not cause it to be closed. It takes several and all for the same selected reason, the number needed seems to be a mystery. Supposedly every request for closing a post gets reviewed at some time by a moderator whereas once a post gets reported for the same reason by whatever number is required triggers an automatic closing that a moderator doesn't need to take any action on. Even if your post is closed you can request it be reopened. I only did that once and they refused to reopen my post.

7star4now

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April 9th, 2015 at 8:23:19 PM permalink

How about ...let's say ONE poster, a hypothetical poster named "EZ Dave", reports as inappropriate using 20 or so fake aliases -would that get the post deleted?

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April 10th, 2015 at 3:29:29 AM permalink

If a post was reported 20 times under the same reason I would think, but can't say with certainty, that would trigger the automatic closure. Having multiple screen names is against their rules, probably is here also.

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April 10th, 2015 at 5:28:19 AM permalink

Jerry, the individual who is obviously monitoring this forum in order to quash posts on the TA forum fancies himself a destination "expert" for the ENTIRE STATE of New Jersey (and beyond, perhaps) and rarely contributes any real or useful travel information. Some of these people spend their entire day trolling multiple forums. I cannot imagine spending my time in this way, sitting in front of a computer looking for posts to quash. Very sad. Obviously a lonely and bored person with nothing going on in life.

I give this post an hour. Tee Hee!

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April 10th, 2015 at 7:08:27 AM permalink

I'm thinking there's more than one checking this site, besides me that is. I just don't understand why they don't man up and participate here and not just lurk. I know a person that claimed he was aerules posted a couple of times and was asked some tough questions and never came back. I would hope that even if hit with tough questions people would at least respect the fact that they are willing to participate in an open forum.
I also don't understand why people care so much about the way TA runs their forums, there's plenty of others on the web to partipate in. If you don't like them, the best way to show it is to stay away from the site. They don't seem to me to be worth the time just look at this thread, how many posts complaining about an Internet forum for God sake. There's more important things wrong in this world. Time to move on, you're not going to change them so just ingnore them if you don't like the way they run things.

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April 10th, 2015 at 7:17:28 AM permalink

Quote: jerrysnj
I'm thinking there's more than one checking this site, besides me that is. I just don't understand why they don't man up and participate here and not just lurk. I know a person that claimed he was aerules posted a couple of times and was asked some tough questions and never came back. I would hope that even if hit with tough questions people would at least respect the fact that they are willing to participate in an open forum.

I think there are many reasons they don't participate here one being, as Jack Nicholson once put it "They can't handle the truth" and another being they are not the experts they appear to be and we'd call them on it. This forum is much more interactive and conversational, I think they are afraid of that. We don't really need links to where the cheap eats are, what to do in Atlantic City besides gambling, etc. we can into the nitty gritty of AC, it's wonders, it's warts and all!

You only go around once, but if you play your cards right, once is enough.� ¯ Francis Albert

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April 10th, 2015 at 6:52:14 PM permalink

Quote: ACMama
Jerry, the individual who is obviously monitoring this forum in order to quash posts on the TA forum fancies himself a destination "expert" for the ENTIRE STATE of New Jersey (and beyond, perhaps) and rarely contributes any real or useful travel information. Some of these people spend their entire day trolling multiple forums. I cannot imagine spending my time in this way, sitting in front of a computer looking for posts to quash. Very sad. Obviously a lonely and bored person with nothing going on in life.

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I don't monitor this forum to quash posts on TA. AC Mamma I contribute tons of useful things to TA. I only joined this board to respond to a post Dave made without having all the facts as to why a post on TA was closed. It was for the same reason Ross' post on this site was closed.

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April 10th, 2015 at 7:32:33 PM permalink

Quote: aerules
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I don't monitor this forum to quash posts on TA. AC Mamma I contribute tons of useful things to TA. I only joined this board to respond to a post Dave made without having all the facts as to why a post on TA was closed. It was for the same reason Ross' post on this site was closed.

tx aer- given your superior intellect & editorial tastes -it's obvious -we are not worthy & cannot we'd appreciate your vision to define what input we should consume re ac- we'd welcome any nugget of AC content you've come up with to contribute in your free time- in between monitoring boards- keeping us safe for our feeble minds to consume

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April 11th, 2015 at 2:52:27 AM permalink

Mmm nuggets.

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April 11th, 2015 at 3:16:15 AM permalink

Why not post that on the T/A forum?

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April 11th, 2015 at 3:31:37 AM permalink

Quote: MrsHeartRN
I think there are many reasons they don't participate here one being, as Jack Nicholson once put it "They can't handle the truth" and another being they are not the experts they appear to be and we'd call them on it. This forum is much more interactive and conversational, I think they are afraid of that. We don't really need links to where the cheap eats are, what to do in Atlantic City besides gambling, etc. we can into the nitty gritty of AC, it's wonders, it's warts and all!

I love the Nicholson quote. I would have used it for my signature but some one beat me to it. I don't think he's using it now but I wanted to leave it open just in case.

I think the one I'm using is quite apropos.

Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi

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April 11th, 2015 at 2:44:40 PM permalink

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Why not post that on the T/A forum?

I would but then I would lose my job as guardian of the forums.

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May 8th, 2015 at 5:40:16 AM permalink

Oh great, now we have a destination expert for the Phillippines that list his home as Melbourne Australia posting on the AC Forum on a post recently closed about what is travel related.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g29750-i78-k8421410-Atlantic_City_does_anyone_else_feel_this_way-Atlantic_City_New_Jersey.html
Post #57
We don't stand a chance with some of these fools for the AC TA forum.

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May 8th, 2015 at 9:12:51 AM permalink

I know I saw that too. I knew when somebody asked why it was still up....it was only a matter of time. Philippines? From Australia? Gets crazier and crazier over there.

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May 8th, 2015 at 1:22:41 PM permalink

At least someone else is to blame this time

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May 8th, 2015 at 2:21:19 PM permalink

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At least someone else is to blame this time

Aerules as a fellow DE maybe you can help me understand. This was a post that multiple people participated in over several days which meant all these people had a chance to see the advertisements on TA and participate in their forum which must be a good thing, but yet probably because some people clicked on the report an inappropriate post link it gets shut down. Wouldn't you think TA should review these shutdown posts and see that all these people who are potential customers just got pissed off and it would be better to keep the post open? I know it drifted from strictly travel talk but let's face it a good percentage of people travel to AC, stay in the hotels and visit the restaurants because of gambling and related comp offers. It's no different then someone having a discussion about snorkeling in the Phillipines forum that's not travel related it's a sport or activity for that destination. No different than the main activity for people that travel to AC is to visit the casinos. I've seen other DE complain about the same thing happening in their forums with posts getting shutdown that were active discussions about something at that particular destination. It's killing participation in the forums so why do you think it's allowed to happen? Shouldn't more activity on the forums actually help TA? I don't get it, help me understand.

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May 8th, 2015 at 3:29:52 PM permalink

I didn't see the OP. I know sometimes if the thread goes off topic like the TTN to AC thread that Dave wrecked last year they will keep the OP up and close the thread to new posts

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May 8th, 2015 at 7:23:35 PM permalink

Quote: aerules
I didn't see the OP. I know sometimes if the thread goes off topic like the TTN to AC thread that Dave wrecked last year they will keep the OP up and close the thread to new posts

Greetings aerules, aka"EasyDave", aka "Maytag repairman" of TA censorship,

nothing to see here, so few post on TA anymore- nothing to fix or censor- move along...

btw How is your buddy UK?

Cheshire Cat got his tongue?

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May 8th, 2015 at 7:30:54 PM permalink

Yes I single handedly ruined the thread by warning a woman traveling alone not to use the Walter Rand Transportation Center in Camden N.J.
I know you think its a perfectly safe and friendly environment for both you and your family to visit.
I don't. And I may ad many other people share my sentiments about what has been called America's deadliest City.
Once again I will post links that illustrate just why I hold such an opinion of Walter Rand.
https://twitter.com/george_mast/status/197701653393178624
http://articles.philly.com/1999-01-15/news/25490608_1_ski-masks-crime-wave-men-shot
http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2015/03/nj_man_robbed_83-year-old_bought_patco_cards_say_p.html
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/05/camden_officials_worry_about_c.html
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/19/missing.mother/
http://www.pinehillpd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/11.20.2012-Carjacking-Robbery.pdf
http://www.dea.gov/pubs/states/newsrel/nwk051806.html
http://nickico.hubpages.com/hub/Heroin-in-Camden-Major-Crime-CIty

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May 8th, 2015 at 7:39:11 PM permalink

Yet one of those is from when I was 10. Also a missing woman can happen anywhere. Last time I went for a ride along out of Rand I saw a guy with 8 packs of herroinon him guess where we were. Moorestown.

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May 8th, 2015 at 7:55:28 PM permalink

Just because you have "seen" doesn't mean there is. If you believe Moorestown has a higher crime problem then Camden, come out and say it.
"Yet one of those is from when I was 10" Walter Rand has a long history of criminal activity.
" Also a missing woman can happen anywhere" Famous quote from the clueless left, "those things can happen anywhere."

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May 8th, 2015 at 7:58:26 PM permalink

Funny I was at the red bank train station today and saw a poster for someone missing from Oakland.

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May 8th, 2015 at 11:11:59 PM permalink

What about the guy who was robbed and stabbed at Walter Rand?
What about the guy who was punched and robbed at Walter Rand?
What about the 700 addicts that go for treatment 3 blocks away?
You want to use Walter Rand fine, go right ahead. Just stop recommending that people who may lack street smarts visit the place o.k?
Much of Camden has been a warzone since the mid 70's. Perhaps you would like to take a stroll there some late night? Or recommend that your wife/daughter do the same?
Just google Camden news and see what you find. Murder, mayhem, etc.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=camden+nj&tbm=nws

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May 8th, 2015 at 11:26:55 PM permalink

I have. And I have no problem reccomending people visit parts of Camden late at night. I will continue to do so.

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May 12th, 2015 at 2:24:56 PM permalink

It is a liberal thing. Rational people making common sense judgment calls will often be baffled by liberal dogma.

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May 12th, 2015 at 3:35:32 PM permalink

So I won't be seeing you at the MMRBQ on Saturaday

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