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January 18th, 2015 at 7:00:54 PM permalink
If you have proof anyone is posting under multiple names report them to TA. It's not allowed. I haven't noticed anyone doing that for awhile now. Writing style usually gives it away. I don't know why or will not defend them closing some of the posts even some of mine that seemed travel related. They are definately inconsistant in what they allow or close. For some time any mention of gambling was an automatic closure, thankfully that is not as strict.
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January 18th, 2015 at 7:42:36 PM permalink
....and if you suggest any posters go back to rehab you are banned for life.
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January 18th, 2015 at 7:43:35 PM permalink
I have never noticed DE's posting under multiple aliases. Not saying it doesn't/hasn't happened I never saw it.
What I have seen multiple times is the board lacks a regular DE. Then one from Central N.J. magically appears.
Or that shortly before or after a post is deleted a DE will post upon the forum. It is just way to big a coincidence that has happened many, many times for the DE's not to be involved in the deleting of posts in some manner.
I also know of someone posting an identical question on T/A both on the A.C. forum and Vegas forum. The A.C. posting was deleted yet the L.V. posting stayed up.
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January 18th, 2015 at 7:53:11 PM permalink
Quote: jerrysnj

If you have proof anyone is posting under multiple names report them to TA. It's not allowed. I haven't noticed anyone doing that for awhile now. Writing style usually gives it away. I don't know why or will not defend them closing some of the posts even some of mine that seemed travel related. They are definately inconsistant in what they allow or close. For some time any mention of gambling was an automatic closure, thankfully that is not as strict.



If the moderators are located in Sri Lanka, all they react to is multiple reports from the DE aliases-they have no clue as to content.

It's probably just a coincidence that all of hundreds of posts & threads re casino closings, bankruptcies are deleted & the DE post above is not.

My bad!
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January 18th, 2015 at 7:57:59 PM permalink
Quote: dave12038457

I have never noticed DE's posting under multiple aliases. Not saying it doesn't/hasn't happened I never saw it.
What I have seen multiple times is the board lacks a regular DE. Then one from Central N.J. magically appears.
Or that shortly before or after a post is deleted a DE will post upon the forum. It is just way to big a coincidence that has happened many, many times for the DE's not to be involved in the deleting of posts in some manner.
I also know of someone posting an identical question on T/A both on the A.C. forum and Vegas forum. The A.C. posting was deleted yet the L.V. posting stayed up.



you mean like "Destination Expert", "Aerules"- posted 100+on AC board "I give this post an hour" -minutes b4 threads are deleted- & never contributes a syllable of AC content?

Jerry - could you contact "Destination Expert", "Aerules", on the double secret VIP DE board, & inquire as to whether he never posts any Ac content- only censorship warnings (& only on EZ Dave's niteshift when EZ Daves not posting (Clark Kent /superman kinda thing?)
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January 18th, 2015 at 8:01:39 PM permalink
POOF ! Referenced link posted by a DE has just been removed.
Obviously they are monitoring this board!
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January 18th, 2015 at 8:09:12 PM permalink
Quote: dave12038457

POOF ! Referenced link posted by a DE has just been removed.
Obviously they are monitoring this board!



ROTFLMAO!

EZdave's rabbit ears strike again!

Jerry- your coincidences are on a roll tonight- I'd head straight to the casino.
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January 18th, 2015 at 8:39:25 PM permalink
I think my reply to Ross pretty much sums up how some of the posts get deleted but certainly not most based on what I can see, probably less then 10%. I spent time researching the subject after several of mine were closed. When you see those this will last 30 minutes about half of those I can trace to one DE. The others are just being reported through the normal process available to anyone. Anyone can report the posts and it has the same weight as a DE. You need to be on the full site to see the link which is on every post. I'm sure there are some programmed key words that gets a moderator's attention in addition to the posts being reported which is why you rarely see obscenities on the site. Keep in mind TA is worldwide and there are probably 100's of thousands forums and I doubt they employ that many moderaters to oversee them all and it does seem like the AC forum gets a lot of attention. I just wish TA didn't just provide the canned reasons why posts were closed. I think most of us could follow the rules if they were better explained and more consistently applied.
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January 18th, 2015 at 8:49:33 PM permalink
"Jerry- your coincidences are on a roll tonight- I'd head straight to the casino."
Not the the casino- I'm heading to bed.
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January 18th, 2015 at 9:02:57 PM permalink
Goodnite Jerry- I always respect you as extremely knowledgeable AC fan - which we actually share - in different ways.

Maybe ,someday you can tell us who you refer to here, if an individual is gaming the system, to take away your contributions & ours :

"I spent time researching the subject after several of mine were closed. When you see those this will last 30 minutes about half of those I can trace to one DE. "
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January 19th, 2015 at 5:03:55 AM permalink
Geese, I go to bed early one night and miss all the fun! Enjoyed reading your take on things on the TA board.
You don't know how many times I've reported posts for not being travel related or personal attack, such as "all smoker are.____", (some not so nice) or a ganging up on a particular poster, not ONE has been removed. I gotten a PM's and was told about that a "northern NJ" DE trolls the board at night and how he gets other DE's together and asks them to report posts that "could become conversational". I am told conversational posts are also against TA posting rules though in responses I've gotten from the TA administration, after I've written them about how and why bullying or not travel related posts were being allowed they replied that they"welcome lively discussions" Obviously they welcome lively discussions only about what they want discussed.
You only go around once, but if you play your cards right, once is enough.” ¯ Francis Albert
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January 19th, 2015 at 7:00:23 AM permalink
Thanks Jerry for the incite! It's a great day when you learn something new, which makes everyday a great day.
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January 19th, 2015 at 8:23:50 AM permalink
I have no idea who is behind the posts talking about places closing getting shutdown. I've never seen a request for that on the DE forum but don't downplay the power of the private message asking for others to report a post. The private messages are also only semi private as I believe the moderators can see them. The reason I believe it takes a certain unknown number of requests to trigger a post removal is seeing the one DE asking others to report a thread to get it closed as well as my request for a post getting closed not getting closed. Which is why I also think a DE has no more power as anyone else. I've tried carefully wording posts about a place closing by posting " if you're thinking about traveling to AC and staying at the Plaza you may need to change your plans as they're closing on" and it got closed. What's more travel related than that! That is why I think better explanations are in order when they close posts. I can't understand some of their thought process after reading what mrsheartrn posted here. Unfortunately it's their forum and their rules and you have to decide whether you want to participate or not. It's a shame because five years or so ago it was so much better with many more people participating.
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January 19th, 2015 at 8:57:37 AM permalink
Five years ago Trip Advisor was not a public company with a $10B market cap. I am pretty sure that this forum would be different if it was part of a public company that depended on advertising.
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January 19th, 2015 at 3:36:57 PM permalink
There is still no explanation as to why informational posts such as those concerning closures were removed. Or why completely nonsensical posts such as "I give this post an hour" are allowed to remain. As for me, I got tired of the nastiness as well as the post removals. God forbid you would express an opinion. How can you be "wrong" about an OPINION? You like what you like! The last straw for me was when the clique ganged up on Casinomom by changing their avatars to hats (hers had a hat). OK, so you don't like her posts (and yes I found them annoying) but do you need to make fun of someone? How about IGNORING posts you dislike? At that moment, any credibility these people had as "experts" or even decent human beings just vanished for me. I envision a group of bored and lonely social misfits wiith nothing to do but troll TA forums all day long. Some of these folks post on 10-15 different forums every day, all day. Sad for them. And with the exception of JerryS and one other AC DE, none of them posts any coherent information and many of them haven't posted at all in months. I have already gotten more good information out of this forum than I did in 8 years from the AC TA forum. One final note: this has nothing to do with TA being a profit making company. The Las Vegas Forum routinely has "controversial" topics posted with no post removals. So does the New Orleans Forum--where the discussion of a recent upsurge in crime has been allowed and has resulted in a lot of important and reliable information for tourists. Try posting ANYthing about crime in AC and see how long it stays up. I just don't get it.

PS: I give this post an hour. Tee hee
I give this post an hour. Tee Hee!
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January 19th, 2015 at 4:24:56 PM permalink
Amen ACMama.

As someone who's patronized AC 30+ years , I read the back & forth "free for all" that is the TA Vegas forum - The good the bad & the Ugly. Even the over the top comments that could be perceived as negative by some, all make want me want to visit Vegas more.

A few warped individuals with control issues took over that AC TA board "bored and lonely social misfits" as you aptly put it, stifle the promotion of AC as a fun, "sin city jr" type of destination.

I will not dispute that TA has a lot of influence over prospective 1st time tourists, & I've said the majority of remaining AC content on the TA board inspires one to sing showtunes, & take a nap, & NOT visit the destination.

I think having you & Jerry here, as DE vets, feeling free to speak your mind & exchange opinions is a breath of fresh air for many of us who have a keen interest in AC with no place to express it.

Let's face it casinos are located in the "Toy Dept" of life, why the hell would a sane person try to censor another's opinion on such a topic?

Hope for now this serves as the "TA/ Vegas forum" for AC (although how will newbies find it under "Silver Nugget " hint- hint)
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January 20th, 2015 at 12:29:02 AM permalink
Greetings.
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January 20th, 2015 at 12:30:00 AM permalink
Yo everyone
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January 20th, 2015 at 12:40:09 AM permalink
Quote: 7star4now



Hope for now this serves as the "TA/ Vegas forum" for AC (although how will newbies find it under "Silver Nugget " hint- hint)



Working on it, 7star. It's up to Mike at the moment.
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January 20th, 2015 at 12:41:53 AM permalink
Whatever
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January 20th, 2015 at 3:18:29 AM permalink
Quote: 7star4now



Hope for now this serves as the "TA/ Vegas forum" for AC (although how will newbies find it under "Silver Nugget " hint- hint)




JB ( one of our programmers ) will work on creating the new forum sections. Stay tuned.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing "
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January 20th, 2015 at 3:39:00 AM permalink
Quote: Zuga

JB ( one of our programmers ) will work on creating the new forum sections. Stay tuned.



That's great, Zuga! Have you ever been to Atlantic City?
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January 20th, 2015 at 3:50:53 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

That's great, Zuga! Have you ever been to Atlantic City?



not yet, but its on my to do list. Have been to Vegas twice so far , and plan on going this summer again.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing "
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January 20th, 2015 at 5:55:41 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Working on it, 7star. It's up to Mike at the moment.



Quote: 1BB

That's great, Zuga! Have you ever been to Atlantic City?



better hurry up You guys -while AC still has a casino! -LOL
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January 20th, 2015 at 6:52:30 AM permalink
Quote: 7star4now

better hurry up You guys -while AC still has a casino! -LOL



Ha ha. I started off with one casino. Who knows, it could come full circle. Maybe they'll change the name of Resorts to Haddon Hall. :-)
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January 20th, 2015 at 12:11:57 PM permalink
Quote: 7star4now

Hope for now this serves as the "TA/ Vegas forum" for AC (although how will newbies find it under "Silver Nugget " hint- hint)



Quote: Zuga

JB ( one of our programmers ) will work on creating the new forum sections. Stay tuned.



Thanks Zuga for giving AC guys our own new forum. Previously AC guys had asked Arnold Snyder and Viktor Nacht for our own AC forum. We never got it. Now we will finally get one. Thanks again.

Strike the iron while it's hot. I, "Art", nominate 7star for the position of an AC Administrator. Hey guys, do I hear any second to the motion?
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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January 20th, 2015 at 1:01:08 PM permalink
Quote: Artemis

Thanks Zuga for giving AC guys our own new forum. Previously AC guys had asked Arnold Snyder and Viktor Nacht for our own AC forum. We never got it. Now we will finally get one. Thanks again.

Strike the iron while it's hot. I, "Art", nominate 7star for the position of an AC Administrator. Hey guys, do I hear any second to the motion?



Who, HENNY? The sky may fall!

Yes, I second the motion! Looking forward to lively discussions and sharing real Information!
I give this post an hour. Tee Hee!
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January 20th, 2015 at 10:36:03 PM permalink
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Ross, a DE cannot close or reopen threads on TA. There are moderators who are paid employees of TA that close the threads or from what I understand if a certain number of people, I don't know the number, report a thread as inappropriate it is automatically closed. If you had a thread of yours closed you can ask TA to be reopen them in the support forum which is on the main forum page. I've had threads of mine closed and even as a volunteer that helps them out TA would not reopen them when asked.

There have been very few threads that I've reported over the many years I've participated on the AC forum and I imagine most people would have wanted them closed for vile or racist comments.

I don't think I'm giving up any secret but there is a forum for DE only, no one else will even see it. I've seen some DE ask for other DE to report certain threads as inappropriate and even provide a link to the thread they want closed. This is not unique to the AC forum but there is one DE who is not even an AC DE ask for help in reporting threads on the AC forum. I've never done this and people who have never posted on the AC forum will do this as they think they are helping the appropriate DE. I've seen people from other countries respond to these requests.

I've posted before and I guess some don't want to believe me that a DE has no more power over the forums then any other participant. I do believe if as a DE you don't partipate on the forum that designation should be removed and offered to others as we have some on the AC forum that have been silent for a long time. I was asked to be a DE several years ago in a private message from Trip Advisor and accepted as I thought I could offer help to people visiting AC and recently was close to calling it quits there after several of my posts were closed but feel I could still help others but I don't post anywhere near as much as I used to.

There is an off topic forum that you can discuss any non travel related topics, this is also on the main forum page. You would still need to keep things civil, not post copyright material or promote your own business but many things closed for being off topic can be discussed on the off topic forum.

I hope that helped, if you have any other questions I'll answer if I know the answer.

Jerry



Thanks Jerrysnj. I just find it strange that every time I post, whether it is to warn people about the speed traps on the Parkway, or the fact that NJ Transit employs people with questionable pasts, that a DE will disagree with me, and then both my posts and screen name are gone. It is a shame. I can't even get on TA from my home computer anymore. Have a good night all.
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January 21st, 2015 at 1:16:06 PM permalink
Greetings, again.....amigos
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January 21st, 2015 at 1:27:05 PM permalink
Yo dudes
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January 21st, 2015 at 1:33:36 PM permalink
I was a DE at TA.....I posted here why I was banned, then I deleted my OWN post....but on second thought, this is why I was banned....stay tuned.......
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January 21st, 2015 at 1:37:30 PM permalink
Has anyone mentioned the DE pot luck dinners, the DE orgies?????
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:17:54 PM permalink
What exactly are you here to add?
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:44:15 PM permalink
Quote: dawgnmetty

I was a DE at TA.....I posted here why I was banned, then I deleted my OWN post....but on second thought, this is why I was banned....stay tuned.......



Are you any relation to "EZDave"? he has a habit of seeing to it that some of his own posts are deleted- among a host of others?
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:50:45 PM permalink
I have no relation whatsoever to EZDave. I would suspect that he has no clue who I am, except peripherally. I was a DE in Colorado, Evergreen, Colorado. I had one name, and one name only, Dawgg. The DEs all know who I am, I was a DE for years. I was unceremoniously banned from TA. I have a feeling, a hunch, that the DEs are cutting and pasting every word of this thread, so I am having a little fun.
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:53:08 PM permalink
Now as for the secret DE handshake......
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:55:18 PM permalink
I have nothing to hide, my real name is Susan, my husband, "Metty", is Keith. But I did NOT appreciate how TA treated me after years of googling stuff for lazy people, only to be banned when I did nothing wrong.
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January 21st, 2015 at 3:01:33 PM permalink
Quote: dawgnmetty

I have no relation whatsoever to EZDave. I would suspect that he has no clue who I am, except peripherally. I was a DE in Colorado, Evergreen, Colorado. I had one name, and one name only, Dawgg. The DEs all know who I am, I was a DE for years. I was unceremoniously banned from TA. I have a feeling, a hunch, that the DEs are cutting and pasting every word of this thread, so I am having a little fun.



Only asked because one of his many handles was "ParkTheDawg" -or something like that
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January 21st, 2015 at 5:56:22 PM permalink
Never saw that, certainly never saw a DE by that name. But I was Dawgg488. You will see my posts on the Colorado forum, for the most part. I occasionally forayed into other destinations. But I have not been on TA for about 2 years or so, give or take. My avatar is me.
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January 21st, 2015 at 6:15:20 PM permalink
Quote: dawgnmetty

Never saw that, certainly never saw a DE by that name. But I was Dawgg488. You will see my posts on the Colorado forum, for the most part. I occasionally forayed into other destinations. But I have not been on TA for about 2 years or so, give or take. My avatar is me.



Good story- BTW- Do you enjoy Belgian IPA beer?
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January 22nd, 2015 at 12:06:09 AM permalink
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... I was Dawgg488. You will see my posts on the Colorado forum, for the most part. I occasionally forayed into other destinations. But I have not been on TA for about 2 years or so, give or take. My avatar is me.




“trust, but verify.” by Ronald Reagon. Is this really your avatar? You look like a smiley catwoman, not a dawg :-)
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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January 22nd, 2015 at 1:37:13 AM permalink
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“trust, but verify.” by Ronald Reagon. Is this really your avatar? You look like a smiley catwoman, not a dawg :-)



Actually, "trust but verify" was Gorbachev. What is a DE and what is TA?
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January 22nd, 2015 at 1:53:11 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Quote: Artemis


“trust, but verify.” by Ronald Reagon. Is this really your avatar? You look like a smiley catwoman, not a dawg :-)



Actually, "trust but verify" was Gorbachev. What is a DE and what is TA?



DE stands for Destiny Expert, i.e., 7star is an AC DE. TA is this: TripAdvisor.com
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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January 22nd, 2015 at 1:55:32 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Quote: Artemis


“trust, but verify.” by Ronald Reagon. Is this really your avatar? You look like a smiley catwoman, not a dawg :-)



Actually, "trust but verify" was Gorbachev. What is a DE and what is TA?



TA is Trip Advisor, a very popular review-driven forum for destinations, cruises, particular hotels, etc. DE are Destination Experts, volunteer people on TA who assist with information when other people have questions about a particular location or destination. TA also has moderators, admins who are separate from the DE's.

See how much I learned reading your posts, guys?
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January 22nd, 2015 at 3:14:37 AM permalink
Yes, that is me. My British husband Keith, aka "Metty" on TA, loves the Belgian beer. =) He was "Metallic", shortened to Metty, but he was never a DE, just a TA contributor for many years. The cat is Ted.
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January 22nd, 2015 at 3:20:09 AM permalink
While TA really pissed me off, it was good for ONE thing. I met my precious husband Keith there. =)
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January 22nd, 2015 at 6:17:35 AM permalink
This forum site has become dizzying to me. It's all over the place concerning AC. Be aware that I am not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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January 22nd, 2015 at 12:38:41 PM permalink
That was my avatar pic when TA banned me. Since I was frozen out, I could not change it. I hear that the DEs say I am posting numerous pics of me here. Really?? There is a DE who is cutting and pasting everything from the DE forum to me, KatD, DE for Cabo San Lucas. This is how I learned of this thread, she pm'd me on another website to let me know. She is totally pissing on the Wheaties of the TA DE's.
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January 22nd, 2015 at 12:46:50 PM permalink
Gosh, KatD, thank you, so glad we have stayed in touch!! Huzzaaaaah...... You are the best spy!!! Such a crazy old lady! Bet the DE's will be pissed that you are cutting and pasting the DE forum threads to me. Pissed, piss on my Wheaties, get it, get it???
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January 22nd, 2015 at 1:32:29 PM permalink
dawgnmetty, you have so much add here- hope you get your own thread
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