Posted by odiousgambit
May 13, 2014

Horseshoe Gambling cont.


I still had one day to kill and left Wheeling for Rocky Gap Casino in Cumberland MD. The buffet beckoned, as the last time I was there I couldn't find it at all. This time, I found the area but the staff there said there was no buffet today due to insufficient head-count. Denied again! Meanwhile, the casino looked pretty busy. Go figure.

I was curious indeed now what my play had generated the last time I was there, plus they were throwing in $10 in freeplay out of the blue anyway.

I checked points as soon as I entered the casino, but no freeplay was earned from 2-3 hours of table play previously there. Slots gave a point per dollar coin-in I learned now, not so much for Video Poker and table games. Worst, 10 points to be worth a penny. Indeed, quite a difference from Wheeling; a player seemed pretty dependent on whatever freeplay was from promotions at Rocky Gap, not play.

With some help from a slots assistant to get into the non-intuitive process of reaching the gratuitously given freeplay, I went through a few dollars to suck up same at Jacks or Better [freeplay with Video Poker do-able there]. Simultaneously, I decided to check paytables so I could compare* [something I didn't do at Wheeling]. I really hate paying to go through a learning curve, but it often seems unavoidable and this was no exception. Unused to what to look for, I played for a bit not realizing I needed to zero in on what a credit was worth. Clearly the better paytable was at triple-play machines, the single play at the bar clipped the payoff for flushes [this was where I cashed out the $10 freeplay after slots gal had to help me get started]. I put $50 into the triple play and found myself marveling at the ups and downs I was experiencing at triple-play. By the time I was down to a few bucks I realized it wasn't just the three simul-draws but the credits were $1, not 25 cents. I drew one more time and 'poof' the money was gone. Learning curve indeed.

I decided to lick my wounds with my old favorite, Craps. The table last visit 'had my number', so it was going to be interesting to see if it was going to be one of those tables you just never seem to beat [the thought crossed my mind last time].

Although the buffet people claimed they didn't have enough of a head-count, the Craps table was packed when I walked in and was still packed. I finally squeezed in and the horseshoe kicked back in for me. My own rolling was halfway decent once in a while too. I cashed out up $100 and left then to find something to eat; having my teeth set for the buffet, I wasn't eating there at all, ending gambling for the day. Take that!

I had enough time to kill to go back the next day for a bit. Played some Jacks or Better at some machine I remember little about except that I managed to avoid $1 multiplay. My horseshoe kicked in to keep me above even.

The Craps table opened up and this time it was not going to be busy, I could see. Time to go Darkside, I had a hunch. When I play Darkside I play it resolutely. I consider switching to Rightside in the middle of a session to be bad luck. The dice monitor such things, you see [g]. I would play the DP until I got a number, then the DC till I got two more numbers, resolutely replacing any "casualties". Some of the things I like about Darkside was talking to me. I never had to tell a dealer my odds were on; in Darkness they are always on. When a DC traveler is a 'casualty' and you have a new DC going, you immediately get the odds going again. When it's 7-winner-rightside, the traveled DC bets with odds get paid off to lessen the sting. And when it's 7-out with several DC bets set up, no payoff is ever sweeter.

This time I stopped with three numbers to resolve. Previously, when playing Darkside, when I had three I would go for more, thinking the more the merrier when the odds are on your side. And got hurt. This time, I kept saying, that's enough action. It seemed to be part of what was working, along with the horseshoe of course. Although [wouldn't you know it] my own rolling hurt me at times, the other players sucked totally, more than making up for it. I cashed out up $200 and left happy.

Maryland Live

Synopsis: buffet beckons, and a little gambling pays off. Jacks or Better further examined.

Wow, a croc for the image now that we are at Maryland Live. That's a little rough, especially now they have chilled on the mins. However, I can't seem to make myself gamble much there, it's my perception.

BTW there was an article recently in Atlantic magazine IIRC claiming the live poker there has the biggest action on the East coast. Huge schools of fish, article said.

I truly had planned for my gambling to be over with. The next day, though, plans to meet with someone got cancelled and I need to scrounge up something to eat for lunch. Damned if the Maryland Live buffet didn't beckon. I like that buffet, and again it didn't disappoint. 55+ gets a discount now too; I heard nothing about that previously. The southern food still there, good salad bar, carving station had ham. Lots of Italian choices. And yet again they were putting out nice Mahi Mahi. I caught them changing dishes for that and got it two different ways.

Any points I had accumulated there were washed out. It had been months and months since I had been there, and for that matter, I never played much. And the points aren't worth much or easy to earn. No sweat.

They got a little of my action at Jacks or Better. The bar machine single play clipped the Full House payoff; I kept looking and found a solitary single play machine with better paytable, loaded it with $50 and noted to my chagrin I had failed to see $1 per credit. I really have to avoid this, even single play, 'cuz now a guy is going to get that boy-I-do-not-want-it W-2 for the Royal. But I was up and kept playing, and next thing I know I hit 4 of a Kind!

I was happy; Maryland Live wasn't going to be where I gave it back! Whole trip was an overall win at each place. I wound up over $900 for my Horseshoe Jaunt! Lots of fun!

I gravitated to Jacks or Better long ago, as I think it is the best for the occasional rather than dedicated Video Poker player; the decisions are more similar to real poker. Using the Wizard's info, the 25c machines returned 96.1% approx at M-Live, $1 - 97.3% approx. At Rocky Gap 25c returned 97.3% approx and $1 - 98.4% approx. I didn't think to check paytables at Wheeling.

Wheeling and Rocky Gap both $5 3x4x5x and double-double field. Maryland Live was 10x and double-double, several tables going at $25 mins but one table was $15 min. I didn't have time to play Craps at M-Live


Mission146 May 13, 2014

Great reports, again, 9/5 JoB at Wheeling Island, on the Spielo Pick & Plays.

odiousgambit May 13, 2014

>Great reports


>9/5 JoB at Wheeling Island, on the Spielo Pick & Plays.

25c denomination or $1?

Mission146 May 13, 2014

$.25 is the only VP Denom on the Spielos, there are nickel games, but are all Keno.

The Game Kings have $1.00 Denom, but I have no idea what the paytables are. They are on the bar tops and there is another area with about ten of them, now, the Game Kings don't earn points, so they have a tendency of sitting empty. I know that you used to be able to use Free Play on them, but I don't know if you still can. They are of no concern to me since they stopped earning points.

RaleighCraps May 13, 2014

OG is on a heater. Way to get 'em, AND from both sides, Right and Wrong.

I really need to get a trip planned. My wife's work has them all on lockdown for another two months, but August should free up some trip time. Perhaps a wander towards Meadows and Wheeling should be considered.

odiousgambit May 13, 2014

> Way to get 'em


>Perhaps a wander towards Meadows and Wheeling should be considered.

there has been talk of a September WoV East in Sept. If you can't make that, and have to do August, or will try to do both, check in with me. All work and no play makes a day trader a dull boy!

tringlomane May 14, 2014

Nice report! And I agree Jacks or Better is definitely the easiest to learn, but for places with poorer paytables, playing Bonus Poker is sometimes better, and has roughly the same strategy. For crappy games on the Strip, it's usually easier to find a better Bonus Poker game.

If a JoB game has a full house/flush payout that sums 2 or more units higher than the corresponding Bonus Poker game, then JoB pays more. Otherwise, it's Bonus Poker.


9/6 JoB > 8/5 Bonus

7/5 Bonus > 8/5 JoB

odiousgambit May 15, 2014

>playing Bonus Poker is sometimes better, and has roughly the same strategy

thanks for the tip

Posted by odiousgambit
May 12, 2014

Embedded Horseshoe Gambling

For TL;DR, go down to each image and see the synopsis instead

A Sign My Luck Would Be Good

Funny how things can shape up. My turkey hunting was getting messed up by this and that, and I figured I had pretty much played my cards with the amount of gambling my wife would tolerate without exacting a higher price than I'd care to pay. She doesn't tell me what to do, and I don't ask her permission to do things [exactly], but screwing it up would have consequences. Most likely: going somewhere I'd rather not be on some vacation. A very wise friend once told me that all women should be considered Libras; everything gets put in balancing scales, all deeds and misdeeds and actions and reactions, it all gets weighed.

synopsis: the wife unexpectedly stamps 'approved' on a gambling jaunt; hunting phase gives a sign luck is with me.

The postponed hunting trip finally gets set just previous to another trip the two of us had long planned, however. This means there are a couple of days to kill some time for me; I point this out to my spouse with really no thought that maybe I could do some gambling. Lo and behold, my wife actually suggests doing just that! I think it helps that she has little concept of the distances, on the other hand she is a hell of a gal and I am a lucky guy, no question. So now I have a very nice exciting week planned!

The hunting starts out a little weird in that my two hunting partners both excuse themselves, continuing the strangeness of this season. I wind up hunting by myself, but the embedded horseshoe I seem to have for Spring Turkey season kicks in and I get a gobbler by golly (see blog at Diversity Tomorrow).

No matter how you want to cut it, success in hunting never comes without an element of good luck. I can't help but wonder, is this going to mean good luck gambling? I was going to find out!

A Penny a Point, Ain't Nobody Keeping Score

synopsis: unexpectedly, Wheeling opens my eyes to aspects of gambling I had dismissed; luck indeed is with me.

In the meantime I contact Pierce [Mission146] to tell him I unexpectedly have gambling on my plate. I'm thinking I can do Rocky Gap MD and would be happy to go just a bit further and maybe meet him at The Meadows [PA]. This is actually quite nuts since Rocky Gap itself is a considerable trip, but in order to deceive at least myself I blow off all these concerns.

Turns out Pierce has some gambling planned with Teddy [Teddys] at Wheeling Island. Well, now I figure that's only a little bit further too. Deceiving oneself never had a better day! So I tell Pierce we will meet up there - of course it's always fun to check out a new place. Pierce kindly offers to pick up some liquor and I'm bringing some. Things are shaping up! I arrive quite bedraggled after a 5 hour or so trip, so some down time in a hotel room is much appreciated with a few drinks with my two new friends as well. I'm too frazzled for anything that takes much concentration [and we continue to drink] but this never seems to interfere with Craps too much and we hit the tables. Having these two at the table seems to be my lucky charm but I think my luck was just going to be good anyway - as the turkey hunt was forecasting. After what was over two hours easy we tore them up pretty bad and I was ahead $500+ after tips.

For an interlude we decided on the Buffet. Pierce was unsure he should oversell that choice, but declared the buffet folks were relatively 'on their game'. It was good, a carving station having prime rib, steak, shrimp, other seafood that I forget, all done quite well. Skipped the fried chicken, it was that odd selection of economy cuts you often see from what I could tell. However, IIRC more than one kind of chicken wings were out. It bugs me when the vegetables are hog slop, and they didn't make that mistake, at least one fresh very crisp selection. Paid little attention to salad bar and desserts, but ate a bit of cheesecake Pierce recommended, and it was good. Just not a dessert guy actually. I obtain my considerable girth with just meat and bread I guess.

We returned to Craps and gave some of it back with a session of about an hour, but I was conservative and didn't get hurt bad. Teddy soon had to leave, so this left Pierce and me to round up some beers in what was a nice walk on the Island. A guy's wife would not like this walk, but it was safe enough really. Except the guys in the liquor store were nervous about something; you have to wonder if we were close to some 'shit happening' there.

Our 'night to howl' closed down some time between midnight and one, but my system was tuned for getting up ridiculously early due to the turkey hunting. I can push myself to stay up late with adrenaline and caffeine, but there is still the chance I'll wake up early. Sure enough, I was back downstairs around 5:00 AM. Nothing to do but try to snap my points from the night before and succeeded in playing through and cashing the small sum out, a moral victory [g]. The casino at Wheeling brags about their points, motto being something like "our points are worth more." I was in fact able to confirm they are at a penny a point, however, $5 coin-in to earn a point, and as usual an even less favorable rate with table games. Taking notes on my trip, other places I hit in Maryland had points worth less, Rocky Gap was 10 points to the penny for example, but coin-in to earn sometimes is more generous. I've come away deciding that this can be complicated, as it is juggled several ways,
*coin-in rate to earn points
*adjusted even-worse-rate if not slots
*what the points are actually worth in freeplay
*other value may be significant or lame
For the most part, I am interested in what they are worth in freeplay. Obviously, I should be somewhat embarrassed to have to admit that I have paid so little attention to points before. But you have to realize my previous play was limited to table games at places where they didn't seem to earn much in points, points that were worth little anyway. I'm chagrined now to say this trip woke me up a little bit.

However you want to place Wheeling as far as value given in points, I will say my play earned freeplay right away, modest as it was. The thing is, my Craps play EV is modest too. Tipping cost far exceeds my EV at Craps. In any case, Pierce showed me some surprising other-value stuff about these points ... but you just have to know the deal; when I got my Player's Card I asked what I should know and got minimal information. These things can change, but at Wheeling it would seem you do not sneeze at these points.

Professor Pierce Lays it Out

Synopsis: Pierce has accumulated quite the knowledge base when it comes to the machines; it slowly occurs to me I have dismissed them too easily. His complicated mathematical evaluation, however, loses me quickly to his frustration and my amusement.

Before we made our beer run, Pierce took it upon himself to try to wise me up about all these machines he visits. This is a brave new world for me, as I had no notion anything was ever worth investigating in the slots. Additionally, I had made myself allergic to Video Poker after pondering those W-2Gs with a big win. I predict that I will continue to be quite opposed to getting one of those, the idea of it sends me to the moon. Ironically, I had used the online training at WoO to get fairly proficient before deciding I wanted nothing to do with Video Poker. But Pierce straightened me out on that, too. A 25c machine paying 4000 units for a royal isn't going to generate the W-2. Another 'duh!' moment for Yours Truly, geez.

Pierce shows me on his grand tour of the machines that there is such a thing as a "must hit by" progressive. Nope, didn't know that, and obviously, an abandoned progressive can be +EV. Even the much-bashed Keno machines are worth checking out. His verbal attempt to crunch the numbers on one amused me, as I'd never be able to follow it without working it out on paper. However, the concept is clear: the chances of hitting the combination when the bonus is large has a certain EV that can take the overall EV into positive territory.

Nobody can work the turf like Pierce, something tells me. As for me, I can't see myself doing this much [it's always a trip too]. On the other hand, knowledge is good as they say at Faber. You never know.

Pierce never once said "sometimes people leave money too", which I respect.

Taking my Horseshoe to Maryland

synopsis: I head into MD where my luck continues at Craps and I learn some things about Jacks or Better. Again the buffet at Rocky Gap proves elusive.


Posted by odiousgambit
Apr 20, 2014

Rocky Gap Casino

Recent circumstances had me deciding between two first-time gambling trips. Having heard the situation at Charles Town WV had improved - 3x4x5x Craps with better minimums - I did consider a return to there even though my first drop-by take-a-look wound up with me ticked off towards a Suit with an attitude - no gambling that trip some few years ago! So it was still going to be first-time gambling if I went. But I pondered about Rocky Gap Casino near Cumberland MD, only a bit longer, and decided I'd rather try there.

Nobody seems to ever say they like Charles Town.

On the other hand, Rocky Gap [RG hereafter] has gotten some nice reviews, fitting the bill for the sort of experience I like better. Plus the area is scenic, which counts with me. There is an old thread,


So I trundled up there, surviving the 81/70 interchange, which I am going to try to avoid somehow any next time. The signs warned they would force us into one lane for construction, but it was such a parking lot at one point I have to think they stopped traffic for a while to do something. It looks like the mess is going to be going on for a while too. I had planned to kill time at RG, then go to my room in Cumberland, but I was delayed just enough to correctly guess I could check in early. I had some trepidation about this room at Econolodge, as I snagged it for $39 + tax with Hotels.com, a price that in fact definitely sealed it that RG was getting the nod. I was predicting some kind of shortcoming with the room and hoping it wasn't too bad. Lo and Behold: Nice bed, clean, not tiny if not big, just crummy TV and breakfast, and other minor economies is all. I asked for 'quiet' and got it too - thus the most likely disappointment did not materialize. I was by myself, but even the wife would have been OK with the place.

After a nice nap, on with the 15 minute drive back to the Casino - this distance also obviously working out fine. I was in the mood for the typical casino buffet deal, walked in and looked the place over, read every single sign. No sign for the buffet. I was so convinced I had looked thoroughly enough that I didn't try to ask but went for a sandwich at what seemed like the only alternative.

As warned, the casino was small, mirrors all around hiding the fact. One small Craps table that wasn't seeing much action. Blackjack of course, along with other table games I did not try to list.

After failing to make good use of a $5 freeplay for signing up [couldnt find a video poker machine that was recognizable], I headed to the Craps table. $5 min and 3x4x5x, forgot to check other details. Most of the time I rolled alone and again my rolling sucked. Being a small table was cool, but the pyramids hugged the table down low - hitting the wall without hitting pyramids was not happening with my skills. No one complained about short rolls, but of course there are only so many of those you chance in any circumstances. One other shooter who showed up for a while did well enough to keep me from total disaster. The fun we had as a group at The Meadows was fondly remembered as a contrast.

I finally pressed in my style - increased Come betting - at what I was guessing was right timing for a winning streak that did not materialize, and colored up. I wanted to check out the BJ.

I can confirm the BJ at Rocky Gap has good rules. Seem to be same rules as PA, probably due to competition.

resplit limit: not sure
re-hitting split aces - pretty sure you cannot

$5 minimum was available and I sat down. Young dealer was very good and felt free to occasionally express his opinion. A ploppy was bugging him, he was the kind who seemed to actually know BS and she was hardly doing that. He made a face when she urged another player to take "even money". I had been practicing with "Hit or Miss" and have finally seemed to gotten almost any situation down. But this time it was pair of 9s vs 4 that tripped me up, the ploppy was giving her opinion which I was trying to tune out, making me really hesitate. I took long enough to get a bit embarrassed about the slow decision, which was probably good, I don't think now it will ever trip me up again. I finally got it right and split. My instinct has been to stand on 18, splittable notwithstanding, now it's in my mind that 18 is really not good enough and to quit thinking you stand because 18's "good".

I came in on a shoe and stayed for two more. On the last shoe it was just me and the dealer. We got to talk more and he confirmed that they do allow Surrender. I said I hadn't remembered a choice yet where Surrender was worth considering - I had been getting good cards in that regard, but few Naturals and Double-worthies. We no more than talked about Surrender than 16 vs Ace and Ten came up a few times. The signal for the cameras was to draw a line behind the cards. Later I wondered if I had missed one or two 15 vs 10s I could have surrendered, seemed like I had. In any case, I pretty much broke even at BJ.

Returning to the Craps table, they still werent busy and I just couldnt get excited - passed it up. In the meantime, another player had mentioned that the Buffet had opened up. I asked "where" and they just said "downstairs". Well, now I wasn't really hungry, but I sure has hell wanted to find out where it was. I wandered around and couldn't figure it out at all; all the help had decided to take a break at the same time, just none to be found. I left the place still not knowing where that Buffet is!

Bottom line: I'd go back.

PS: another thing; at the BJ table I was at anyway, there was no CSM, in fact no shuffling at all. The used cards took a ride in some kind of table elevator and and new set of cards already shuffled appeared from somewhere.

[abbreviations per http://www.bj21.com/glossary/main.html ]


Buzzard Apr 21, 2014

Used to go to the horse race at Cumberland 1/2 mile track 14 hour train ride for the horses Remember one farm had this white fence. Seemed to be a mile frontage. Supposedly 1 man started white washing it each spring and never finished. Would pick up where he stopped next spring.

Assume it was all green by now. People in Colorado are nuts , Very little green. First year I was her I was told ride up in Mountains and see the aspens turn. Like a dummy I took Josie and the kids. The leaves turn from green to yellow Thats it One monotonous color WTF !

When you go back for the buffet, see if the old track is still standing

odiousgambit Apr 22, 2014

>When you go back for the buffet, see if the old track is still standing

Ha ha, OK, will do. Pretty sure it's not at the same place though.

Buzzard Apr 23, 2014

The grandstand might be standing, but that's probably all. Let me know if you see that damn white fence, The guy should be starting to whitewash it about now.

odiousgambit Apr 26, 2014

got a mail offer for $10 free play once a week for the next few.

Not much maybe, but more than nothing.

tringlomane May 02, 2014

Good report. The good BJ rules are state-mandated like PA. And that "table elevator" is an auto shuffler built into the table.

Posted by odiousgambit
Mar 05, 2014

WoV East Part II [Craps]

The much anticipated Craps event was soon underway. Lo and Behold, it was a $5 min table with 10x odds. That fits the bill with me 100%, as the line bet with full odds at $55 is a completely comfortably sized bet for me. As soon as they go to $10 min, a little nervousness sets in with that $110 to lay out and stay full odds. My superstition then kicks in, that the dice "see" that you are nervous and make a try for your bankroll. If you can show them you are fearless, they respect that [as this superstition goes]. But step one, comfort with the bet, was in the books. So I laid out a $800 buy in, not undefeatable, but considering the chances of ruin, hefty enough, and the dice respect that too. This in particular is important, as I've said many times [but I'll make it PG in the spirit of the new rules] the dice get aroused "seeing" a small puny bankroll and build a great desire to deliver a brutal sexual experience, without any kisses, upon such bankroll. As it was, I was feeling good, and the dice lost confidence who was going to play the submissive role. You guys who don't believe me, do it your way and find out what happens [g].

Pierce laid out an amazingly detailed sequence of events in his thread, see previous post. As he notes, my own rolling went fairly well, I was successful in avoiding 7-out for a lot of rolls, but didn't hit the numbers for my hands too well, which cost me The Challenge. I was exactly where I wanted to be positioned for my dice-setting fun; to the immediate right of stick. This allows the right-handed shooter to lean out over the table and release very close to the landing zone, limiting the kinetic energy shooter has to give the dice and allowing better accuracy for the hope that the dice will hit below the pyramids. Still, the table seemed bouncy. Furthermore, the dice were kind of sticky. My new release tries to assure that the dice do not land next to each other; such makes them explode apart and certainly then get off-axis. But the stickiness made the dice fling apart too much during release, I thought. So, with the stickiness and the bounciness, I failed to roll too well; had this not been the case, when Pierce saw himself reaching for the green chip in his dreams it would have gone *poof* just as his fingers tried to close on it [vbg].
Actually I don't have any evidence my setting has any effect on the dice. I don't really believe in it, so I just have fun with it. That doesn't mean I don't try like hell <g>

This last has to do with The Challenge. I was greatly pleased to find that everyone thought it added a lot of fun. Perhaps you have figured out my secret, which is that should someone win the challenge, I as a player have probably done pretty well. Actually I think the thing to do is to make the initial challenge border-line in this regard. Next time I have the honor of offering a challenge I am favoring the following [at the moment]: Passes on the Come-Out don't count, and it will take 3 such point-was-set-passes to win the $25; ties will have to resolve in a later play-off of some kind. 4 such passes beat all lower results to win $25, but ties each earn $25. At that point, 4 such passes, anyone who can beat the last performance wins [lower results now lose] and gets $50 with ties each earning $50 also. This way I may be paying money without a guarantee that I also am doing well; but as the prize gets better, the chances will be that I am doing very, very well.

BTW one thing I thought should have gone better is players announcing out loud their progress, asking for general confirmation at each step.

I stood next to the guy IMO who did the best, Teddys, and I noticed he insisted his odds be 'on' during Come-Out. I have mixed feelings about that, but leave them off mostly because I don't like trying to keep the dealers attention glued to it. I got a reminder that one positive thing about it, though, is that a dealer might wrongly scoop up your odds anyway, in which case you might as well have benefited from having them on should the number be rolled [that particular error may have stung me for $50; I thought so, but Teddy said he didn't think so and he is *very* observant]. Everyone thought that keeping them on helps lower the HE; it occurred to me, then, that I thought I was playing against a 0.00184 HE but in fact was not. I've never seen a calculation that shows how the edge is affected by allowing the odds to be 'off'. Might matter more at 3x4x5x ?

I got the cocktail waitress distraction again; the distraction of the lovely draw this time seems to have had me scooping up a pay-off without paying attention, thus making me make a fuss about my odds not being returned per the above, thinking I still had a bet out. More times than not, those gals get me away from my game. The price to pay I guess.

Another thing working in Pierce's favor was the chip distraction. It really bugs me when the $5 chips aren't completely red, and it turns me into an idiot. At least 3 times I used a $25 chip when I meant to use a $5 one. Teddy helped me correct that once and wondered if I was color blind. What actually was going on, I think, was that since Pierce set all this up he had his evil minions working to distract me this way and that. Next time I'll be better prepared and laughing big as I keep the Challenge money in my own coffers. Whu-ha-ha-ha!!

BTW not only was Pierce getting the pit evil eye right from the beginning, but he was the only one who got busted for not hitting the back wall. No doubt this was all a big act to throw me off, not actually calling no-rolls on Pierce when he was hitting his points and missing the back wall too, like they should have. I'm starting to see what Paigowdan has been talking about with these AP guys! [g]

All in all, a memorable fun event! Can't wait till next time!


teddys Mar 05, 2014

Thanks for the report, OG, it was fun to meet you. Glad we both did well. I actually think my turning odds "on" helped me this time since there was only one seven-winner when I had odds working, and it was only one odds bet. I've seen much more brutal come-out winners!

odiousgambit Mar 05, 2014

>my turning odds "on" helped me this time

good to see that work right, no? it definitely makes an impression when it loses! I didn't notice how bad you got burned on any loaded up situations that hit the 7-out, but I distinctly remember the big whammy one of the few times I had multiple points maxed with odds and also simultaneously went belly up on my only place bet. Still, nothing to complain about except that cold table we hit at the end just before both of us colored up. I lost about $200-300 before deciding it was time; I was flagging by then anyway, the table was telling us to wise up!

Posted by odiousgambit
Mar 04, 2014

WoV East Part I

Everything cooperated to make the vaunted WoV East event a great time except the weather. See http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/17283-wovcon-east-report/ for an excellent synopsis [if you need to]

Believe it or not, this was the first time in decades I have been to a casino to meet and play with other gamblers. I do not include my wife in this statistic, since although she will play BJ a bit, is not really a gambler. In fact she is rather circumspect about gambling, and only participates in the same way someone who doesn't really drink might have a glass of wine at odd times.
I believe I have related the fact that I wanted it to appear to her that I stumbled into this event. This I regret, but most aspects of my gambling life have had to be modified to accommodate this unfortunate wariness, including minimizing losses and wins both.[She wants to spend the money if I win big] In any case, she knows all pertinent details now; I operate on the theory that eventually she finds out everything anyway, and probably doesnt want to know some things. For example she knows I carry around a respectable bankroll, but never asks about it. To appreciate all this fully, you had to have known me before I got married. I was insistent on being quite honest in all things when a bachelor. Now I feel like Ralph Kramden in "The Honeymooners". When I used to think about that show and the tangled mess Ralph would get into hiding things from Alice, I would be tut-tutting his schemes and laughing; now I think "wow, that is me!" and laugh a little more ironically. What is it about marriage? [edit: married in 1996] It seems quite impossible to be open about everything, my first clues being what was clearly being withheld from my "need to know" about day one or so.

To be sure, I needed to be sure she knows the basics, where I was, what I was doing, where I was staying. But she does not know all; for example, I need to keep this blog unknown to her for obvious reasons, and, really, I would hate it if I couldn't blog about this. So, I'm not going to say to her the whole thing started on the internet.

So, I'm pleased that so far this go-round of "making friends on the internet" thing has been a success. My previous experiences with that have not been good. One concern worked out well: I have imagined going with someone to a casino and realizing at some point that the guy is off the deep end with gambling. It would be particularly bad to realize you have introduced somebody to that world only to realize some time later he was an obsessed compulsive gambler who lost his job, etc. But I felt good about this group, maybe that is because the Wizard's site tends to screen out problem gamblers, at least make them easy to spot.

Pierce was something, it was great to see him in action. I had no idea he was such a dedicated advantage-play hound dog. He related when we met up that he had started the day elsewhere grinding out his chances on a Keno slot that had gone +EV due to a progressive. I have to tell you I was quite astonished by this. Our boy admitted he was skipping the part of the day where, you know, you sleep. Nonetheless, one realizes this is not a problem gambler here, Pierce can hardly get interested in anything -EV. He proved again at the Craps table that he is just not heading down that road; he just risked enough to clear a few dollars at a very hot table, one that he himself was setting on fire. Amazing! And such a willing organizer!

Part II later.


Mission146 Mar 04, 2014

Thank you for the compliments, OdiousGambit, they are much appreciated!

I've been typically staying away from the Keno advantage plays for just that reason, you can't "Un-see," 108%, so you really have no choice but to go for something like that. I honestly shouldn't have done it, but being ahead by four bills (way North of expectations) I kind of said to myself, "If I can find a positive six/six Progressive, that's justifiable."

Didn't work out, but I still left there a little over $200 ahead.

I must admit I have no trouble getting interested in Craps, I just don't feel the need to risk anymore than necessary. Actually, I'm absolutely thrilled that we ended up winning, and also that I, personally, ended up winning. I had decided that I would not have my $100 Craps session in Vegas next month if I were to lose at Meadows, so Craps is still on the table for me in Vegas, so to speak!

I'm looking forward to the rest of your report, mainly to see if our recollections of anything differ. It's always interesting to get another person's detailed perspective of the same physical events and see where there are perceptual differences.