Coronavirus math

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I do not see them trying to ban the vax, only ban having it forced on them.

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Quote: AZDuffman

I do not see them trying to ban the vax, only ban having it forced on them.

it's arguable as to whether persons have the right to refuse or resist a vaccine mandate - by popularizing this idea they are potentially influencing people in the wrong direction

but it's not arguable that they have the right to prevent their children from being vaccinated -

a child doesn't have the ability to make an informed decision

just because a person is a parent - that doesn't give them the right to create great risk to a child's health and a child's life - see link


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/coverage/schoolvaxview/data-reports/importance.html

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Quote: AZDuffman

It is not arguable. They basically do have that right.

Quote: rxwine

If you want to claim you're not anti-something, when all you've done is make negative comments about it for the last couple years,
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If you want to claim you're not anti-something, when all you've done is make negative comments about it for the last couple years,
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I'll eep saying it, I don't care if people vax themselves into an early grave, I don't like getting vaccinated because I don't trust it. If you trust it and knock yourself out. How was that being an anti-vaxxer.
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Do you think everyone is pro-EB roulette or Bac "method" because no one is actually trying to stop you? I don't think so. When they make so many negative comments about it not working they are definitely anti-EB "method."
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You guys are trying to pretend you're practicing some sort of Swiss-neutrality about coromavirus vaccine.
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You guys are trying to pretend you're practicing some sort of Swiss-neutrality about coromavirus vaccine.
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Who is pretending? As long as there is no mandate we do not care what anybody does about it. You are the side who wants to stick your nose in the business of others. You took the jab so relax as you are safe from the virus.
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I had shingles before there was a vaccine

really, really bad - horrible - I wouldn't wish it on anybody

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I had shingles before there was a vaccine

really, really bad - horrible - I wouldn't wish it on anybody

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That is why I got that shot. Tested proper and works. I knew people had it and heard how bad it is.
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I had shingles before there was a vaccine

really, really bad - horrible - I wouldn't wish it on anybody

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That is why I got that shot. Tested proper and works. I knew people had it and heard how bad it is.
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How many Americans died from shingles in the last five years compared to COVID-19?
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I know an N-95 is the only mask that might be useful...
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I know an N-95 is the only mask that might be useful...
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That's not true, it's just that N-95 is the most effective. I'm not gonna dig it up, but I read one study (the actual study, not the reporting about the study in the media) were they tested all manner of masks, including homemade. They all had some level of efficacy, but of course N-95 was the best.
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What's interesting to me, is to go someplace where you see the same workers in an office, or other workplace, and one week you see an employee with no mask, then sometime later in the month same employee is wearing a mask, then another time, no mask.

What changed to make the person decide to wear a mask that day? And not another day?

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Obviously the most effective would be if everyone in the room wore a mask, but those days are over, and probably should be over.
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

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The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

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What's interesting to me, is to go someplace where you see the same workers in an office, or other workplace, and one week you see an employee with no mask, then sometime later in the month same employee is wearing a mask, then another time, no mask.

What changed to make the person decide to wear a mask that day? And not another day?


Obviously the most effective would be if everyone in the room wore a mask, but those days are over, and probably should be over.
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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After 4 years we can see how useless the masks were. The whole thing was just to get people to think "something was being done." Remember the later phases when places like Florida were done with the masks yet places like Portland were still going full-blown masker? No big outbreaks in the maskless places. To me the crazy part remains the people who wore them when they were alone. What sheep.

Here's the beginning of a simple explanation as to why your analogy of a chain link fence is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to give you the rest of the info, if you haven't figured it out after 4 years you'll never understand.

"It is counter-intuitive that cloth can be useful in this setting — it’s been compared to putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. However, that analogy is wrong in many ways. According to aerosol science........"
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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After 4 years we can see how useless the masks were. The whole thing was just to get people to think "something was being done." Remember the later phases when places like Florida were done with the masks yet places like Portland were still going full-blown masker? No big outbreaks in the maskless places. To me the crazy part remains the people who wore them when they were alone. What sheep.

Here's the beginning of a simple explanation as to why your analogy of a chain link fence is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to give you the rest of the info, if you haven't figured it out after 4 years you'll never understand.

"It is counter-intuitive that cloth can be useful in this setting — it’s been compared to putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. However, that analogy is wrong in many ways. According to aerosol science........"
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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After 4 years we can see how useless the masks were. The whole thing was just to get people to think "something was being done." Remember the later phases when places like Florida were done with the masks yet places like Portland were still going full-blown masker? No big outbreaks in the maskless places. To me the crazy part remains the people who wore them when they were alone. What sheep.

Here's the beginning of a simple explanation as to why your analogy of a chain link fence is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to give you the rest of the info, if you haven't figured it out after 4 years you'll never understand.

"It is counter-intuitive that cloth can be useful in this setting — it’s been compared to putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. However, that analogy is wrong in many ways. According to aerosol science........"
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"In Florida, the pandemic can be split into two major phases: the pre-Delta variant phase from March 2020 to July 2021 and the Delta variant and beyond the stage that began July 2021 (Figure 2). During the first phase of the pandemic, the White Coronavirus Task Force and CDC recommendations were followed by the state, including physical distancing, crowd avoidance, vulnerable population protection, and face mask use (76). During this phase, the state locked down in April 2020, and state reopening began in early May 2020. In August 2020, public K-12 schools and universities opened for face-to-face activities. When it became available, an aggressive campaign to promote COVID-19 vaccination, especially in those who were older than 65 years (77). Reflecting the impact of these public health and vaccination measures, including 9 months before the COVID-19 vaccine became available, Florida ranked 20th and 26th among states in cases and deaths of COVID-19 per capita on June 30, 2021, before the Delta variant phase, respectively (78)."

"The second phase of COVID-19 in Florida followed rising political opposition to COVID-19 mitigation measures and vaccines that began in early 2021, resulting in substantial population vulnerability to COVID-19. The 5 months of the Delta variant wave from July through November 2021, took a brutal toll on Floridians. Almost two-thirds as many people died during this period as over the 16 months before, as Florida had one of the highest actual and per capita death rates in the country during this time. By the end of the Delta variant wave, Florida rose to 10th in cases and deaths per capita. Reflecting the fact that Florida COVID-19 death rates have continued in excess of the rest of the United States, Florida now ranks 8th in death per capita (3)."

There's that.

I don't have a comment on people wearing them alone, who knows, and I don't care. My only point was your chain link analogy is incorrect, you decided to bring up Florida, so I thought I'd share some info on that. Don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs and please enjoy looking down on other people for whatever reason, you never know what someone might be going through.
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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After 4 years we can see how useless the masks were. The whole thing was just to get people to think "something was being done." Remember the later phases when places like Florida were done with the masks yet places like Portland were still going full-blown masker? No big outbreaks in the maskless places. To me the crazy part remains the people who wore them when they were alone. What sheep.

Here's the beginning of a simple explanation as to why your analogy of a chain link fence is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to give you the rest of the info, if you haven't figured it out after 4 years you'll never understand.

"It is counter-intuitive that cloth can be useful in this setting — it’s been compared to putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. However, that analogy is wrong in many ways. According to aerosol science........"
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"In Florida, the pandemic can be split into two major phases: the pre-Delta variant phase from March 2020 to July 2021 and the Delta variant and beyond the stage that began July 2021 (Figure 2). During the first phase of the pandemic, the White Coronavirus Task Force and CDC recommendations were followed by the state, including physical distancing, crowd avoidance, vulnerable population protection, and face mask use (76). During this phase, the state locked down in April 2020, and state reopening began in early May 2020. In August 2020, public K-12 schools and universities opened for face-to-face activities. When it became available, an aggressive campaign to promote COVID-19 vaccination, especially in those who were older than 65 years (77). Reflecting the impact of these public health and vaccination measures, including 9 months before the COVID-19 vaccine became available, Florida ranked 20th and 26th among states in cases and deaths of COVID-19 per capita on June 30, 2021, before the Delta variant phase, respectively (78)."

"The second phase of COVID-19 in Florida followed rising political opposition to COVID-19 mitigation measures and vaccines that began in early 2021, resulting in substantial population vulnerability to COVID-19. The 5 months of the Delta variant wave from July through November 2021, took a brutal toll on Floridians. Almost two-thirds as many people died during this period as over the 16 months before, as Florida had one of the highest actual and per capita death rates in the country during this time. By the end of the Delta variant wave, Florida rose to 10th in cases and deaths per capita. Reflecting the fact that Florida COVID-19 death rates have continued in excess of the rest of the United States, Florida now ranks 8th in death per capita (3)."

There's that.

I don't have a comment on people wearing them alone, who knows, and I don't care. My only point was your chain link analogy is incorrect, you decided to bring up Florida, so I thought I'd share some info on that. Don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs and please enjoy looking down on other people for whatever reason, you never know what someone might be going through.
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Florida also has a higher than average age and thus higher risk people. It amazes me how the maskers will never give up their charade.

The chain-link analogy is spot on. Viruses are so small they can and will pass right thru the masks. As to "looking down" I will laugh and laugh my head off at the people so afraid they think they are going to die because I will not mask up.
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
link to original post

Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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After 4 years we can see how useless the masks were. The whole thing was just to get people to think "something was being done." Remember the later phases when places like Florida were done with the masks yet places like Portland were still going full-blown masker? No big outbreaks in the maskless places. To me the crazy part remains the people who wore them when they were alone. What sheep.

Here's the beginning of a simple explanation as to why your analogy of a chain link fence is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to give you the rest of the info, if you haven't figured it out after 4 years you'll never understand.

"It is counter-intuitive that cloth can be useful in this setting — it’s been compared to putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. However, that analogy is wrong in many ways. According to aerosol science........"
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"In Florida, the pandemic can be split into two major phases: the pre-Delta variant phase from March 2020 to July 2021 and the Delta variant and beyond the stage that began July 2021 (Figure 2). During the first phase of the pandemic, the White Coronavirus Task Force and CDC recommendations were followed by the state, including physical distancing, crowd avoidance, vulnerable population protection, and face mask use (76). During this phase, the state locked down in April 2020, and state reopening began in early May 2020. In August 2020, public K-12 schools and universities opened for face-to-face activities. When it became available, an aggressive campaign to promote COVID-19 vaccination, especially in those who were older than 65 years (77). Reflecting the impact of these public health and vaccination measures, including 9 months before the COVID-19 vaccine became available, Florida ranked 20th and 26th among states in cases and deaths of COVID-19 per capita on June 30, 2021, before the Delta variant phase, respectively (78)."

"The second phase of COVID-19 in Florida followed rising political opposition to COVID-19 mitigation measures and vaccines that began in early 2021, resulting in substantial population vulnerability to COVID-19. The 5 months of the Delta variant wave from July through November 2021, took a brutal toll on Floridians. Almost two-thirds as many people died during this period as over the 16 months before, as Florida had one of the highest actual and per capita death rates in the country during this time. By the end of the Delta variant wave, Florida rose to 10th in cases and deaths per capita. Reflecting the fact that Florida COVID-19 death rates have continued in excess of the rest of the United States, Florida now ranks 8th in death per capita (3)."

There's that.

I don't have a comment on people wearing them alone, who knows, and I don't care. My only point was your chain link analogy is incorrect, you decided to bring up Florida, so I thought I'd share some info on that. Don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs and please enjoy looking down on other people for whatever reason, you never know what someone might be going through.
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Florida also has a higher than average age and thus higher risk people. It amazes me how the maskers will never give up their charade.

The chain-link analogy is spot on. Viruses are so small they can and will pass right thru the masks. As to "looking down" I will laugh and laugh my head off at the people so afraid they think they are going to die because I will not mask up.
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Yep, you're right, I've always found anecdotal evidence is much more accurate than scientific studies. Congratulations!
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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After 4 years we can see how useless the masks were. The whole thing was just to get people to think "something was being done." Remember the later phases when places like Florida were done with the masks yet places like Portland were still going full-blown masker? No big outbreaks in the maskless places. To me the crazy part remains the people who wore them when they were alone. What sheep.

Here's the beginning of a simple explanation as to why your analogy of a chain link fence is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to give you the rest of the info, if you haven't figured it out after 4 years you'll never understand.

"It is counter-intuitive that cloth can be useful in this setting — it’s been compared to putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. However, that analogy is wrong in many ways. According to aerosol science........"
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"In Florida, the pandemic can be split into two major phases: the pre-Delta variant phase from March 2020 to July 2021 and the Delta variant and beyond the stage that began July 2021 (Figure 2). During the first phase of the pandemic, the White Coronavirus Task Force and CDC recommendations were followed by the state, including physical distancing, crowd avoidance, vulnerable population protection, and face mask use (76). During this phase, the state locked down in April 2020, and state reopening began in early May 2020. In August 2020, public K-12 schools and universities opened for face-to-face activities. When it became available, an aggressive campaign to promote COVID-19 vaccination, especially in those who were older than 65 years (77). Reflecting the impact of these public health and vaccination measures, including 9 months before the COVID-19 vaccine became available, Florida ranked 20th and 26th among states in cases and deaths of COVID-19 per capita on June 30, 2021, before the Delta variant phase, respectively (78)."

"The second phase of COVID-19 in Florida followed rising political opposition to COVID-19 mitigation measures and vaccines that began in early 2021, resulting in substantial population vulnerability to COVID-19. The 5 months of the Delta variant wave from July through November 2021, took a brutal toll on Floridians. Almost two-thirds as many people died during this period as over the 16 months before, as Florida had one of the highest actual and per capita death rates in the country during this time. By the end of the Delta variant wave, Florida rose to 10th in cases and deaths per capita. Reflecting the fact that Florida COVID-19 death rates have continued in excess of the rest of the United States, Florida now ranks 8th in death per capita (3)."

There's that.

I don't have a comment on people wearing them alone, who knows, and I don't care. My only point was your chain link analogy is incorrect, you decided to bring up Florida, so I thought I'd share some info on that. Don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs and please enjoy looking down on other people for whatever reason, you never know what someone might be going through.
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Florida also has a higher than average age and thus higher risk people. It amazes me how the maskers will never give up their charade.

The chain-link analogy is spot on. Viruses are so small they can and will pass right thru the masks. As to "looking down" I will laugh and laugh my head off at the people so afraid they think they are going to die because I will not mask up.
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Yep, you're right, I've always found anecdotal evidence is much more accurate than scientific studies. Congratulations!
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All the "studies" on the china virus have had agendas. For starters, I prefer to listen to doctors who treat patients instead of those who just administrate.
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"Some level of efficiency?" That covers a ton. Could mean anything. link to original post

No, that's a ridiculous conclusion. There was obviously a measured value for each kind of mask studied. Here's one such study, there are others. Search PubMed.

Quote: AZDuffman

The maskers clearly do not want masks to be seen for the waste that they were.

Did Elvis tell you that? Scientific testing shows that masks work. They reduce the volume of exhaled respiratory droplets into the surrounding air, just as one should expect they would.
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Using a mask to stop a virus is like using a chain link fence to keep flies out. The problem with your position is that “scientific tests’ done in a lab are not reality. Reality is most people kept using the same mask over and over. They did not keep changing to a fresh one. That alone compromises everything.

The study I would like to see is why some people thought marks were going to sss as ge them. To the point of wearing them alone in the car or even at home. Meanwhile others and I will include myself never bought into any of it.
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After 4 years we can see how useless the masks were. The whole thing was just to get people to think "something was being done." Remember the later phases when places like Florida were done with the masks yet places like Portland were still going full-blown masker? No big outbreaks in the maskless places. To me the crazy part remains the people who wore them when they were alone. What sheep.

Here's the beginning of a simple explanation as to why your analogy of a chain link fence is incorrect, I'm not going to bother to give you the rest of the info, if you haven't figured it out after 4 years you'll never understand.

"It is counter-intuitive that cloth can be useful in this setting — it’s been compared to putting up a chain-link fence to stop mosquitoes. However, that analogy is wrong in many ways. According to aerosol science........"
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"In Florida, the pandemic can be split into two major phases: the pre-Delta variant phase from March 2020 to July 2021 and the Delta variant and beyond the stage that began July 2021 (Figure 2). During the first phase of the pandemic, the White Coronavirus Task Force and CDC recommendations were followed by the state, including physical distancing, crowd avoidance, vulnerable population protection, and face mask use (76). During this phase, the state locked down in April 2020, and state reopening began in early May 2020. In August 2020, public K-12 schools and universities opened for face-to-face activities. When it became available, an aggressive campaign to promote COVID-19 vaccination, especially in those who were older than 65 years (77). Reflecting the impact of these public health and vaccination measures, including 9 months before the COVID-19 vaccine became available, Florida ranked 20th and 26th among states in cases and deaths of COVID-19 per capita on June 30, 2021, before the Delta variant phase, respectively (78)."

"The second phase of COVID-19 in Florida followed rising political opposition to COVID-19 mitigation measures and vaccines that began in early 2021, resulting in substantial population vulnerability to COVID-19. The 5 months of the Delta variant wave from July through November 2021, took a brutal toll on Floridians. Almost two-thirds as many people died during this period as over the 16 months before, as Florida had one of the highest actual and per capita death rates in the country during this time. By the end of the Delta variant wave, Florida rose to 10th in cases and deaths per capita. Reflecting the fact that Florida COVID-19 death rates have continued in excess of the rest of the United States, Florida now ranks 8th in death per capita (3)."

There's that.

I don't have a comment on people wearing them alone, who knows, and I don't care. My only point was your chain link analogy is incorrect, you decided to bring up Florida, so I thought I'd share some info on that. Don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs and please enjoy looking down on other people for whatever reason, you never know what someone might be going through.
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Florida also has a higher than average age and thus higher risk people. It amazes me how the maskers will never give up their charade.

The chain-link analogy is spot on. Viruses are so small they can and will pass right thru the masks. As to "looking down" I will laugh and laugh my head off at the people so afraid they think they are going to die because I will not mask up.
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Yep, you're right, I've always found anecdotal evidence is much more accurate than scientific studies. Congratulations!
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All the "studies" on the china virus have had agendas. For starters, I prefer to listen to doctors who treat patients instead of those who just administrate.
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I've found in life that ignorant people believe they know all the answers, intelligent people ask what they don't know. Doctors that treat patients rely on scientist that preform studies, the law of large numbers. You certainly know all the answers!
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Viruses are so small they can and will pass right thru the masks. link to original post

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Viruses are so small they can and will pass right thru the masks. link to original post

Wrong. Numerous studies, including the one I shared with you, which you didn't read, show exactly the opposite.

But why are you arguing here on a gambling forum? Ring up the scientists and explain to them your superior understanding.
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I got 3 shots last fall that probably cost around $500 retail. Free shots are long gone for most people.
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I got 3 shots last fall that probably cost around $500 retail. Free shots are long gone for most people.
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Big Pharma loves all of this.
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I got 3 shots last fall that probably cost around $500 retail. Free shots are long gone for most people.
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Big Pharma loves all of this.
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Not even close to true. First, I’m sure Medicaid and Medicare beneficiaries don’t pay, nor will those privately insured. Maybe a small co pay, but mine has always been free.

As far as AZ’s comment, Big PHARMA prefers the opposite. If it is covered by all insurers then more people will be getting poked, thus more shots sold, and more money. They don’t care if they get the $$ from your pocket, a private insurer, or the government. The number of people that would actually take $500 from their own pocket to pay for one of these boosters is negligible.
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