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January 26th, 2021 at 7:02:37 PM permalink
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not able to get vaccinated today as indicated by email from my County and State
they both indicated it would happen today for my age group but that was false
they claim there is a shortage of doses - distribution and supply chain problems
well aware it's not just me but probably millions throughout the U.S. unable to proceed as planned


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That sucks. Hopefully the issue will be resolved soon. My parents (70+) got their first dose this past week. NV hasn't been very good with the vaccine rollout, but the wheels are in motion...
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January 26th, 2021 at 7:30:24 PM permalink
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Governors of NY State, California and Michigan all announcing that they will be ending the state-wide lock down orders even though positive tests/day are at a very high level.

Spokeslady for California governor was asked about releasing the California medical statistics that motivated the governor to end the lock-down. She basically replied that they will not be releasing the medical statistics because they don't think the public will understand them.

I guess that the threat of coronavirus must be over, eh? All those states acting in concert to relax the lockdowns. I would love to hear an explanation of this from billryan, darkoz or others.



I will speak to NYS as I live here

Firstly, you are correct that tests and deaths are rising in NYS.

However that's a kind of trees for the forest view

Here is a graph of deaths from covid in NYS



Notice there were about a thousand deaths per day at the beginning of the pandemic waaaay back in April and the sudden spike was followed by almost equally a drop in cases

Like from a thousand a day to three a day!!!!!

Anyone challenging the success of a lockdown has just to look at the success of NYS lockdown in reducing the death toll to see how well it worked

Here is a graph of Florida which didn't do a full lockdown



Ouch!! Just spikes all summer long. Sure they didn't climb as high as the initial NYS spike but NY has highly dense population areas.

Clearly lacking a proper lockdown caused Florida to not be able to get things under control.

Now NYS deaths are rising but that's exactly as expected due to the Flu and winter weather which historically is when second waves of virus get worse.

And how worse is it? At this time NYS only has 20% of the deaths we had back in the first major wave.

Overall NY is doing quite well. Truthfully if I didn't follow Coronavirus news I would assume it was all over. While we are all wearing masks and social distancing here still I haven't heard of anyone I know of dying in months from Coronavirus. Something that wasn't the case back in the Spring.

Finally there is one additional major difference between now and the Spring and summer and no it's not a different political leader.

It's spelled V-a-c-c-i-n-e!

The vaccine is being rolled out and while it's not a very good rollout right now, combined with the success NYS has had I think it's time to start reopening SMARTLY!

Funny how that part of the governor of NY decision to reopen is being ignored. He says we will open smartly. I.E. the full reopening will almost certainly come with continued mask mandates and other safety and cleanliness measures.

No one in NY believed this lockdown was forever. Surprised people outside NY thought so.
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January 26th, 2021 at 8:18:19 PM permalink
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February 8th, 2021 at 6:27:54 AM permalink
Confirm please. All restrictions lifted in Iowa? Karens are howling!
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February 8th, 2021 at 6:41:26 AM permalink
I heard that there are still partial restrictions. Other states continue to quarantine
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June 4th, 2021 at 11:23:46 AM permalink
CDC warns about child covid cases and hospitalizations. 1/3rd of children who get covid have to go to the hospital for severe treatment. Children ages 12+ are eligible for vaccinations prior to the next school year.
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June 4th, 2021 at 11:29:33 AM permalink
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June 4th, 2021 at 2:56:57 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

CDC warns about child covid cases and hospitalizations. 1/3rd of children who get covid have to go to the hospital for severe treatment. Children ages 12+ are eligible for vaccinations prior to the next school year.


So of the six kids that got COVID, two were hospitalized?
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June 4th, 2021 at 3:16:11 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

So of the six kids that got COVID, two were hospitalized?



Try again.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/05/03/993141036/children-now-account-for-22-of-new-u-s-covid-cases-why-is-that

That's 22% OF new cases not 22 cases
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June 5th, 2021 at 11:44:45 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Try again.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/05/03/993141036/children-now-account-for-22-of-new-u-s-covid-cases-why-is-that

That's 22% OF new cases not 22 cases


Missing my sarcasm. How many hospitalized?
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June 5th, 2021 at 12:13:42 PM permalink
If you don't believe the vaccine will protect you, keep wearing an N-95 mask. I hear K-Mart still sells them, but there's no K-Mart stores anymore.
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June 5th, 2021 at 12:17:56 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Missing my sarcasm. How many hospitalized?



Three times more children hospitalized than the Flu.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/health/covid-flu-hospitalizations-children.amp.html
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June 5th, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Three times more children hospitalized than the Flu.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/health/covid-flu-hospitalizations-children.amp.html

Hheadline, COVID hospitalization rare amongst children. Can you read?
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June 5th, 2021 at 8:33:52 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Hheadline, COVID hospitalization rare amongst children. Can you read?



Apparently you can't.

When commenting on an article it's best to actually read more than the snippet headline otherwise you look dumb.

The article says three times more children are hospitalized than children with Flu
If you refute that then please explain how the article doesn't say that (it does).

You asked how many children get hospitalized. I answered with a source. So read the source or don't reply at all.
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June 5th, 2021 at 8:36:55 PM permalink
So still rare. Rare for either virus. Rare a rather non descriptive arbitrary definition but, by most people’s definition.
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June 5th, 2021 at 8:47:12 PM permalink
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So still rare. Rare for either virus. Rare a rather non descriptive arbitrary definition but, by most people’s definition.

A misquote of Paul Simon. A. Man reads what he.wants to read, but disregards he res.
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June 5th, 2021 at 8:52:15 PM permalink
Just starting to watch Escape From The Bronx (1983). The government guarantees relocation to modern free housing in New Mexico. Those who don't leave are subject to immediate elimination.

PS: There's no proof anybody made it to New Mexico.
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June 5th, 2021 at 8:53:25 PM permalink
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A misquote of Paul Simon. A. Man reads what he.wants to read, but disregards he res.



I have no idea who that is.
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June 5th, 2021 at 9:07:20 PM permalink
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I have no idea who that is.



Lead singer in a fairly obscure 1950s group called Tom and Jerry. Years later, he fulfilled every schoolboys fantasy and bedded Princess Leia.
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June 5th, 2021 at 9:07:49 PM permalink
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I have no idea who that is.


A quote from a song about a boxer. Simon and Garfunkel 1970
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June 5th, 2021 at 9:57:02 PM permalink
Oh. Simon and Garfunkel. Have heard of them, from the ancient hunter gatherer days when you had to climb a mountain both ways to get to school.
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June 29th, 2021 at 4:22:28 PM permalink
Covid cases and hospitalizations on the rise again in Clark County:
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/health/coronavirus-health/covid-19-cases-increase-in-clark-county-raising-concerns-for-those-fully-vaccinated/
Walgreens will give $25 Walgreens cash to get the vaccine until 7/3.
https://www.walgreens.com/topic/findcare/coronavirus.jsp?ban=covid_navigation_findcare
Nevada vaccine incentive program (July 8th-->Aug 26th):
https://www.vaxnevadadays.org/
Other state specific incentives to get vaccine:
https://www.nga.org/center/publications/covid-19-vaccine-incentives/
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June 30th, 2021 at 2:02:41 AM permalink
Los Angeles County health officials have “strongly recommended” that all residents again wear mask in indoor public spaces, regardless of vaccination status. Variant Delta from India is putting health officials on notice.

Top @WHO leader urges masks against #DeltaVariant even if 2-dose vaxxed. "Vaccine alone won't stop community transmission. People need to use masks consistently, be in ventilated spaces—even if you're vaccinated"
https://cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that about half of adults infected in an outbreak of the delta variant in Israel were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, prompting the government there to reimpose an indoor mask requirement and other measures.

Covid breakthrough cases: CDC says more than 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died after vaccination https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Delta plus Covid variant: Here's what you need to know https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/24/delta-plus-covid-variant-heres-what-you-need-to-know.html?recirc=taboolainternal
The only clinical difference, which we know till now, is that Delta plus has some resistance to monoclonal antibody combination therapy. And that is not a major difference as the therapy itself is investigational and few are eligible for this treatment.”

“NO MORE THAN MERE SECONDS” of exposure in 10-60 centimeters where one man triggers several #DeltaVariant infections with brief “fleeting” contact. Thousands of shoppers at NSWFlag of Australia mass tested. Delta called “near & present danger”. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1406779894785351688

RO and Herd Immunity Threshold of various diseases, COVID Delta is in measles territory.
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July 5th, 2021 at 9:06:39 AM permalink
Efficacy of Pfizer vaccine lowered from 94% to 64% due to Delta variant - YouTube
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July 5th, 2021 at 10:02:09 AM permalink
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Efficacy of Pfizer vaccine lowered from 94% to 64% due to Delta variant - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj5dr9w37Uo



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July 5th, 2021 at 10:16:33 AM permalink
Who said it was a lie?
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July 15th, 2021 at 10:21:42 AM permalink
I stopped wearing my mask about two weeks ago. I came down with a mild bacterial cold a few days ago. Hasn't particularly gotten me down - I have still played at the tables and I did my full gym workout both yesterday and the day before, which is actually even more than usual because usually I go to the gym only every other day.

I rarely get sick – and haven’t been sick in a couple of years (including not at all during the solid fourteen months or so I wore a mask).

The second hand smoke in the casinos exacerbated the cold, but I am wondering if I would have even gotten sick at all if I had kept the mask on these past ten days.

Has anyone else noticed no colds no sickness during mask wearing times?
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July 15th, 2021 at 10:27:28 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I stopped wearing my mask about two weeks ago. I came down with a mild bacterial cold a few days ago. Hasn't particularly gotten me down - I have still played at the tables and I did my full gym workout both yesterday and the day before, which is actually even more than usual because usually I go to the gym only every other day.

I rarely get sick – and haven’t been sick in a couple of years (including not at all during the solid fourteen months or so I wore a mask).

The second hand smoke in the casinos exacerbated the cold, but I am wondering if I would have even gotten sick at all if I had kept the mask on these past ten days.

Has anyone else noticed no colds no sickness during mask wearing times?



Hope you put your mask back on when you were sick!
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July 15th, 2021 at 10:30:25 AM permalink
I didn’t realize I was sick until yesterday. Before that I thought it was just an irritated throat from second hand smoke.

You’re right I should start wearing a mask now.
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July 15th, 2021 at 10:37:27 AM permalink
Can anyone tell me why competitive and recreational swimmers do not wear masks while in the pool but do wear masks when entering the natatorium or walking on the beach? How about, during the height of the pandemic, baseball players wearing masks in the dugout or sometimes during play, but they continued to expectorate (spit) after every pitch or swing of the bat? Football players too? One other thing, how come basketball players don't spit while on the court but baseball and football players continuously spit while in the field of play or the dugout or on the bench.?? Just askin'

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July 15th, 2021 at 9:00:12 PM permalink
I am still feeling a little sick but it isn’t getting me down. And, it’s just a cold, not coronavirus. I have gone to the gym three days running, and usually I go only every other day. During my workouts I do cardio plus push around an average of 125,000 lbs. of weight each workout (every other day, two workouts equals = over 250,000 lbs. lifted total). That sounds like a lot but it really isn’t – add up every pound of weight you move during each workout, and you might come up with a figure something like that. I calculated it once on an Excel spreadsheet. The human body is really incredible. What machine could push around all that weight day in day out and not wear out within a relatively short period of time?

Haven’t slowed down at the tables either. All good.
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July 16th, 2021 at 1:35:19 AM permalink
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Has anyone else noticed no colds no sickness during mask wearing times?


In the UK, the incidence of acute respiratory infections, including flu, requiring medical consultation or treatment has been roughly half to a third of what we see in a typical year.
I'm not aware of anyone I know getting so much as a sniffle since covid restrictions began (except those who had covid)
see page 10 of https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/995284/Surveillance_of_influenza_and_other_seasonal_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2020_to_2021-1.pdf

GP OOH ARI = General Practitioner* Out Of Hours Acute Respiratory Infection
*GP is what we call our local doctors


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July 16th, 2021 at 9:22:36 PM permalink
I hit the gym four days in a row – haven’t done that in some time, but my winning sessions end early and so – I hit the gym! Figure, why not, get it out of the way and then I don’t need to go tomorrow. But lately, I end up going the next day again anyway.

In some California cities indoor mask mandates are returning. Also in some Vegas casinos?
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July 17th, 2021 at 6:47:14 AM permalink
There’s a preliminary report from Israel about a 30% drop in the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine. No data confirmation as yet. Hopefully it turns out to be false.

The good news is, if variants get more and more lethal they don’t spread as easily because they kill more and more hosts.

That’s also the bad news.

Too bad there’s no easy solution right within reach. Dang our bad luck.
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Quote: rxwine

There’s a preliminary report from Israel about a 30% drop in the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine. No data confirmation as yet. Hopefully it turns out to be false.

The good news is, if variants get more and more lethal they don’t spread as easily because they kill more and more hosts.

That’s also the bad news.

Too bad there’s no easy solution right within reach. Dang our bad luck.

There isn't solidarity. That's all we ever needed.

I still say we need a variant that takes a decent percentage of it's victims and makes them suddenly foam at the mouth, splutter, and drop down dead in their own faeces in the middle of their cosy social gathering, preferably triggered by them denying there is a problem. We need 'lethal' to remove any doubt. Maybe a few variants down the road.
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July 17th, 2021 at 8:53:09 AM permalink
Southern NV Health District recommends mask wearing in public places (vaxxed and unvaxxed) due to rising rates and hospitalizations.
https://www.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/news-release/southern-nevada-health-district-statement/
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July 17th, 2021 at 9:25:10 AM permalink
In Arizona, 99% of covid deaths since January 15th have been unvaccinated. Almost every state is reporting similar numbers.
At what point, do we recognize these deaths as suicides? These people could have easily prevented their own deaths but choose not to.
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July 17th, 2021 at 9:51:45 AM permalink
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In Arizona, 99% of covid deaths since January 15th have been unvaccinated. Almost every state is reporting similar numbers.
At what point, do we recognize these deaths as suicides? These people could have easily prevented their own deaths but choose not to.

Death by misadventure is what we call it
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July 17th, 2021 at 9:56:04 AM permalink
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July 18th, 2021 at 11:28:06 AM permalink
Sitting here in the suite I feel fine, but yesterday at the tables I felt like I was cold sweating. I wasn’t running a temperature though whatsoever; I checked it last night and this morning. I obviously still have some kind of cold, although my throat irritation is gone. Anyway, perhaps if I hadn’t stopped wearing the mask couple weeks ago I wouldn’t have picked up this cold.
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July 18th, 2021 at 12:07:37 PM permalink
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... I felt like I was cold sweating.... I obviously still have some kind of cold

How have you ruled out covid?

Symptoms of Delta variant are quite cold like.

Over here, we can get free self test kits from any pharmacy with no paperwork. We are encouraged to self test weekly or at the merest hint at possible infection.

Is it the same over there?

Get tested. I dare you $:o)
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July 18th, 2021 at 12:30:12 PM permalink
Where I am, in very rural Arizona, there are two vaccination locations but I'm not aware of any testing sites. There was one in the local HS parking lot but they packed up about a month ago. While I'm sure you can get tested at your doctors' office or rural health clinic, they aren't advertising it like they did a few months ago. Back then, there were many oversized banners offering testing.
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July 18th, 2021 at 12:39:06 PM permalink
About a month ago I felt like I had a little cough and got tested - Negative. There is a CVS Pharmacy on the Vegas Strip next to Park MGM that does free testing with results within hours. I’ve had lots of coronavirus tests at home. All negative. Prior to our getting vaccinated, I used to get one every month or so, and dragged my wife down to the clinic for a while too until she finally just said that if you test negative, I must be negative too.

I doubt it’s Coronavirus because it’s just too mild. I mean, I hit the gym for a full workout four days in a row. I think the combination of stress (I was playing really hard) and a mild cold were making me sweat at the Tables, but it wasn’t normal sweat it was the cold sweat of a cold.

I am neither sweating nor coughing right now. I feel fine.

However, I did just make another appointment for another coronavirus test. No appointment available until Tuesday though.
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July 18th, 2021 at 12:44:59 PM permalink
Let’s see, For now, it appears that the Delta variant (even in some who are fully vaccinated for COVID) can cause symptoms such as a headache, sore throat, and runny nose, and also potentially a fever and a cough, based on recent data from the U.K., which is grappling with Delta variant breakouts.

Headache – no, didn’t have that. Sore throat, not now but yes yesterday morning my throat felt irritated. No runny nose, no fever. Mild cough.

Isn’t fatigue a coronavirus symptom? No fatigue whatsoever. Unfortunately. I wish I had been fatigued yesterday as I didn’t do well at the tables and would have stayed in if I had felt tired.
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July 28th, 2021 at 12:26:50 PM permalink
We went in today and had coronavirus tests - both of us negative. They tested our oxygen levels (oximeter) at the same time, and mine was 98 and hers 99.

I believe that if I had not stopped wearing a mask those two weeks I would not have caught whatever it was I caught. Anyway masks are starting to become prevalent in Vegas and will be mandatory again come Friday.
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July 28th, 2021 at 6:03:29 PM permalink
Any way to get statistics for Nevada covid infections? Current and past history
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July 28th, 2021 at 6:14:19 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Any way to get statistics for Nevada covid infections? Current and past history



Google it.

There are a number of trackers going by country, state, county, region, etc
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July 29th, 2021 at 1:06:07 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Any way to get statistics for Nevada covid infections? Current and past history


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/nevada
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July 29th, 2021 at 1:25:32 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

In Arizona, 99% of covid deaths since January 15th have been unvaccinated. Almost every state is reporting similar numbers.
At what point, do we recognize these deaths as suicides? These people could have easily prevented their own deaths but choose not to.

I'm mostly with you, except there are some people who can't get the vaccine because of contraindications.

Also, many of us who've had the vaccine had the experience of it knocking us on our asses for a couple days. Imagine that kind of tax on the body on someone whose health is already compromised—it's not inconceivable that the reaction to the vaccine could push them over the edge to death. Yes, if they got COVID, they'd for-sure be a goner, but we're comparing the chance of *definitely* taxing the body with the vaccine vs. *possibly* getting COVID (which is roughly a 1 in 10 chance, which is quite a bit less than a 1 in 1 chance of deliberately getting the vaccine).

But both sets of people are a minority of the unvaccinated. The mask rules that are coming back are primarily to protect those who could safely get vaccinated but won't. One might honestly wonder why we're spending any effort (mask rules) on such folks. To me, the answer (and why I continue to mask in public) is to keep the local hospitals from being overwhelmed. I've still got a 5% chance of contracting COVID (even though it won't kill me) and passing it on. If the hospitals get full of people who refused to get vaccinated, then there are no spaces left for people who got sick or injured through no fault of their own.

BTW, letting COVID "play its course", letting all the unvaccinated people get infected, where 1% of them die and 99% survive and get some immunity, that would take about 6.5 years for all the unvaccinated in the U.S. to get infected, so it's not gonna be over any time soon.
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