Coronavirus math
December 10th, 2020 at 11:26:25 AM
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Yeah that or the state tax rates and caps on deductibility of state taxes on federal returns.Quote: DeMangoI hear some big financial names are moving operations to Florida. Musk moving to Texas. They are not putting up with the feces NY and Cali call pandemic efforts.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
December 10th, 2020 at 12:03:19 PM
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Quote: DeMangoI hear some big financial names are moving operations to Florida. Musk moving to Texas. They are not putting up with the feces NY and Cali call pandemic efforts.
Cuomo in his (total lack of) brilliance said without federal bail out will need a ‘massive tax increase’. The last big tax increase on ‘the rich’ just resulted in the extreme top leaving the state. MUCH easier to leave NY (or California)) to escape state taxes than it is to leave US to escape federal taxes.
I wonder if Biden will propose rescinding the Trump added rule that severely limits deducting your state taxes? That was a big tax increase on the rich in the high income tax , mostly Democrat, states.
December 10th, 2020 at 12:11:18 PM
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Quote: DeMangoI hear some big financial names are moving operations to Florida. Musk moving to Texas. They are not putting up with the feces NY and Cali call pandemic efforts.
See how immigrants help Florida and Texas.
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December 10th, 2020 at 5:31:32 PM
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When rents drop 60%-80% maybe residents won't owe more than $10K in property tax.
December 10th, 2020 at 5:37:44 PM
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Quote: ChumpChangeWhen rents drop 60%-80% maybe residents won't owe more than $10K in property tax.
I love Nevada for their low taxes. I don't think I pay more than $4,000 a year for property taxes and we have no state income tax.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 11th, 2020 at 2:18:28 AM
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wow - CDC reports over 230K new cases and over 3,400 new deaths for yesterday - I think it's a record
nasty stuff - at this point I feel I'm going to have to be lucky not to get it
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fcases-in-us.html#cases_casesper100klast7days
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/us/coronavirus-death-record.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
nasty stuff - at this point I feel I'm going to have to be lucky not to get it
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fcases-in-us.html#cases_casesper100klast7days
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/us/coronavirus-death-record.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
December 11th, 2020 at 3:12:12 AM
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PA Governor just ruined the Christmas season for restaurant owners and their employees.
And yet again it will be defended by those people who will not lose their own paycheck.
And yet again it will be defended by those people who will not lose their own paycheck.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
December 11th, 2020 at 3:49:19 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanPA Governor just ruined the Christmas season for restaurant owners and their employees.
And yet again it will be defended by those people who will not lose their own paycheck.
Your paycheck or your life.
Survey says, "life"
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 11th, 2020 at 3:57:53 AM
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Let's not sneak back into discussing politics.Quote: AZDuffmanPA Governor just ruined the Christmas season for restaurant owners and their employees.
And yet again it will be defended by those people who will not lose their own paycheck.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
December 11th, 2020 at 6:19:09 AM
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Quote: darkozYour paycheck or your life.
Survey says, "life"
I lost my paycheck
I vote life
I lost my job.
I support any policies that will crush this virus
Restaurant owners complaining disgust me
Man up and do the right thing regarding defeating this virus.
Suck it up
I did
When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forums
December 11th, 2020 at 7:15:32 AM
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Quote: darkozYour paycheck or your life.
Survey says, "life"
Isn't it more like your paycheck or a 1% chance of losing your life IF YOU GET THE VIRUS?
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 11th, 2020 at 7:19:39 AM
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Quote: DRichIsn't it more like your paycheck or a 1% chance of losing your life IF YOU GET THE VIRUS?
I don't think so.
Mail delivery, grocery store, medical services, Amazon jobs could be argued "Your life or a bigger paycheck"
Any percentage aspect would have to take in both sides.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 11th, 2020 at 7:32:17 AM
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Quote: terapinedI lost my paycheck
I vote life
I lost my job.
I support any policies that will crush this virus
Restaurant owners complaining disgust me
Man up and do the right thing regarding defeating this virus.
Suck it up
I did
Ed.... to be fair, you were at a point in your life that you could afford to retire, and have enough resources to chase your dream. Probably like 5-10% of people who lost their jobs due to pandemic.
I can’t disagree more with you about restaurant owners. Many have their entire life savings plus loans invested in them. They see the open liquor stores, dry cleaners, BLM protest marches, political rallies, etc... Please refer me to one piece of evidence that using the social distancing/ mask wearing rules that restaurants are more unsafe than other allowed activities?
The sad reality is even in states that are extremely restrictive, the virus is winning big time. It will start losing once we vaccinate. Not before.
December 11th, 2020 at 7:44:23 AM
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Quote: darkozI don't think so.
Mail delivery, grocery store, medical services, Amazon jobs could be argued "Your life or a bigger paycheck"
Any percentage aspect would have to take in both sides.
I don't follow what you are saying here.
I know that I am the exception but I would gladly accept a 20% chance of death to have my life back like it was before the pandemic. Don't get me wrong, I am always wearing a mask to follow the rules, I am not an anti-masker. I also believe most of the anti-maskers are foolish and I compare them to the anti-vaxers.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:14:17 AM
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Quote: DRichIsn't it more like your paycheck or a 1% chance of losing your life IF YOU GET THE VIRUS?
Truly a voice of reason.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
December 11th, 2020 at 9:37:59 AM
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It’s also not close to a guarantee you don’t get the virus or die if you do pass on the paycheck. Unless I’m incorrect I believe darkoz has resumed operations in an indoor environment rather than continue passing on a paycheck so....give me a break with the judging others for choosing to want people to be able to run a business or get a paycheck while exercising reasonable precautions where they can. Given what this site is we shouldn’t be framing things in absolutes like paycheck or your life rather than probability.
It’s truly just evolved into an everyone fend for themselves situation now, other than common sense like wearing the masks and avoiding crowds especially for extended periods of time tough to fairly criticize others choices without being in their situation when no real help is coming. All solutions at this point start with a V, the time where it made the most sense to sit on our hands and no one live at all was in February, a month before we had out half assed arbitrary shutdowns.
It is sobering that we’ll pass over 0.1% of US population will have passed from it around the New Year. At the rate it’s spreading and if many people who have risk pass on the vaccine or it cannot be distributed quickly to half or so of the population we will probably hit 0.2% by the time it’s over. If the minority of the most reckless, ignorant and belligerent behaviors were cut out it wouldn’t be great but not nearly this bad.
It’s truly just evolved into an everyone fend for themselves situation now, other than common sense like wearing the masks and avoiding crowds especially for extended periods of time tough to fairly criticize others choices without being in their situation when no real help is coming. All solutions at this point start with a V, the time where it made the most sense to sit on our hands and no one live at all was in February, a month before we had out half assed arbitrary shutdowns.
It is sobering that we’ll pass over 0.1% of US population will have passed from it around the New Year. At the rate it’s spreading and if many people who have risk pass on the vaccine or it cannot be distributed quickly to half or so of the population we will probably hit 0.2% by the time it’s over. If the minority of the most reckless, ignorant and belligerent behaviors were cut out it wouldn’t be great but not nearly this bad.
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December 11th, 2020 at 10:56:52 AM
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Quote: DRichIsn't it more like your paycheck or a 1% chance of losing your life IF YOU GET THE VIRUS?
Actually a 0.5% chance but we will not enforce TPIR rules on you.........
I just booked a no-mask side hustle night for Jan 2. Hopefully I will be able to find a place to eat as it is an all-day drive. And hope hotel has the buffet open the next morning.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
December 11th, 2020 at 11:00:45 AM
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My region has been infected at long last in the last 3 weeks. This disease could wipe out many small towns before a vaccine ever comes around.
My last haircut was 5 months coming, it's been 4 months since. I'd better get one next week before the salons get shut down again.
On TV: Airlines are being warned the dry ice could melt, turn into carbon dioxide, and become a suffocating hazard to handlers & pilots.
Pfizer vaccine subject got a 104F fever and so many COVID-19 symptoms.
Saw an article yesterday about transmission of COVID-19 in a restaurant in 5 minutes because of air conditioning air flow. They contact traced a few strangers by their phones, figured out where and when they sat down and there was only a 5 minute overlap. So the air flow hit the out of town visitor sick person first then continued on towards the first cases in town in a long while. Yeah, this was where there was no sickness for weeks.
White House threatens FDA Chief: Authorize Pfizer vaccine today or resign.
Senate averts a government shutdown for one more week. South Florida faces an eviction tsunami.
My last haircut was 5 months coming, it's been 4 months since. I'd better get one next week before the salons get shut down again.
On TV: Airlines are being warned the dry ice could melt, turn into carbon dioxide, and become a suffocating hazard to handlers & pilots.
Pfizer vaccine subject got a 104F fever and so many COVID-19 symptoms.
Saw an article yesterday about transmission of COVID-19 in a restaurant in 5 minutes because of air conditioning air flow. They contact traced a few strangers by their phones, figured out where and when they sat down and there was only a 5 minute overlap. So the air flow hit the out of town visitor sick person first then continued on towards the first cases in town in a long while. Yeah, this was where there was no sickness for weeks.
White House threatens FDA Chief: Authorize Pfizer vaccine today or resign.
Senate averts a government shutdown for one more week. South Florida faces an eviction tsunami.
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December 11th, 2020 at 11:18:51 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanPA Governor just ruined the Christmas season for restaurant owners and their employees.
And yet again it will be defended by those people who will not lose their own paycheck.
Well you have people who can't follow basic recommendations ruining it for everyone. What do you think is leading to increased infection rate?
Sanitized for Your Protection
December 11th, 2020 at 12:09:39 PM
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Quote: ChumpChangeWhite House threatens FDA Chief: Authorize Pfizer vaccine today or resign.
Senate averts a government shutdown for one more week. South Florida faces an eviction tsunami.
Remember CC, No Politics please.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
December 11th, 2020 at 12:21:50 PM
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If you're wondering what happens to the Pfizer vaccine or the FDA chief or the Federal Government or the 14 million on the eviction chopping block, pay no attention to the politicians doing all of this.
December 11th, 2020 at 12:24:55 PM
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Aww C'mon CC.Quote: ChumpChangeIf you're wondering what happens to the Pfizer vaccine or the FDA chief or the Federal Government or the 14 million on the eviction chopping block, pay no attention to the politicians doing all of this.
We all know that the covid situation is entwined with politics, but we also know that ANY such divisive topic outside of Vegas and Wagering could lead to suspensions here, which we would prefer to avoid.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
December 11th, 2020 at 12:37:37 PM
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My local casino won't open until noon because of *reasons unspecified*. It will close at 10pm because of a state order.
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December 11th, 2020 at 1:26:29 PM
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Pennsylvania: Wind Creek Bethlehem casino will pay its 1,600 employees during three-week shutdown
Jon Harris, The Morning Call · December 11, 2020 at 3:43 pm
For the second time this year, Wind Creek Bethlehem and the other Pennsylvania casinos will be forced to temporarily close to help mitigate the spread of the coronavirus.
In a statement Friday, Wind Creek said it “has committed to paying active salaried and tipped employees,” during the shutdown, which will start at 12:01 a.m. Saturday and is scheduled to expire at 8 a.m. Jan. 4. The casino employs 1,600 people.
During the shutdown, Wind Creek said its casino, restaurants and hotel will be closed. The Wind Creek Event Center and Vision bar will also remain closed.
The Outlets at Wind Creek Bethlehem, meanwhile, will operate at reduced capacity, per the state’s new guidelines of 50% maximum occupancy.
Jon Harris, The Morning Call · December 11, 2020 at 3:43 pm
For the second time this year, Wind Creek Bethlehem and the other Pennsylvania casinos will be forced to temporarily close to help mitigate the spread of the coronavirus.
In a statement Friday, Wind Creek said it “has committed to paying active salaried and tipped employees,” during the shutdown, which will start at 12:01 a.m. Saturday and is scheduled to expire at 8 a.m. Jan. 4. The casino employs 1,600 people.
During the shutdown, Wind Creek said its casino, restaurants and hotel will be closed. The Wind Creek Event Center and Vision bar will also remain closed.
The Outlets at Wind Creek Bethlehem, meanwhile, will operate at reduced capacity, per the state’s new guidelines of 50% maximum occupancy.
December 11th, 2020 at 1:29:25 PM
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Iowa: Mitigation initiatives extended at Prairie Meadows
CDC Gaming Reports · December 11, 2020 at 2:36 pm
Prairie Meadows Casino, Racetrack and Hotel will extend stringent mitigation initiatives to do its part to help slow the spread of COVID-19. These measures will be in place through December 31, 2020.
Prairie Meadows’ continued safety measures include:
Temporary, suspension of all forms of smoking on property for both guests and employees to ensure masks are worn properly for longer periods of time, optimizing personal safety.
Food may only be eaten in designated areas. AJ’s Steakhouse, tables in the Finish Line Show Lounge, at the Paddock Grill & Deli, as well as tiered seating near the Paddock are areas where guests
may eat.
Face masks are required to be worn at all times and entry points have been reduced so staff can monitor guests to ensure everyone has a proper face covering upon entering. Face shields, neck gaiters, and masks with vents will not be permitted.
100% of the air is exchanged every 15 minutes through a two-stage filtration process that includes an anti-microbial treatment.
High-grade disinfectants and electrostatic sprayers are used on a rigorous cleaning schedule to sanitize the property.
Currently, due to the Governor’s Proclamation, food and beverage sales will conclude at 10pm. This policy will be in effect until further notice.
“It remains our collective responsibility to mitigate and contain this virus for the safety and welfare of our employees, customers, and community in which we serve,” said Gary Palmer, President and CEO of Prairie Meadows. “Our vigilance now will position us for even greater success once it is safer to resume normal, full-scale operations. I am truly grateful for the patience and flexibility that both our team and customers have afforded us during this critical time,” added Palmer.
CDC Gaming Reports · December 11, 2020 at 2:36 pm
Prairie Meadows Casino, Racetrack and Hotel will extend stringent mitigation initiatives to do its part to help slow the spread of COVID-19. These measures will be in place through December 31, 2020.
Prairie Meadows’ continued safety measures include:
Temporary, suspension of all forms of smoking on property for both guests and employees to ensure masks are worn properly for longer periods of time, optimizing personal safety.
Food may only be eaten in designated areas. AJ’s Steakhouse, tables in the Finish Line Show Lounge, at the Paddock Grill & Deli, as well as tiered seating near the Paddock are areas where guests
may eat.
Face masks are required to be worn at all times and entry points have been reduced so staff can monitor guests to ensure everyone has a proper face covering upon entering. Face shields, neck gaiters, and masks with vents will not be permitted.
100% of the air is exchanged every 15 minutes through a two-stage filtration process that includes an anti-microbial treatment.
High-grade disinfectants and electrostatic sprayers are used on a rigorous cleaning schedule to sanitize the property.
Currently, due to the Governor’s Proclamation, food and beverage sales will conclude at 10pm. This policy will be in effect until further notice.
“It remains our collective responsibility to mitigate and contain this virus for the safety and welfare of our employees, customers, and community in which we serve,” said Gary Palmer, President and CEO of Prairie Meadows. “Our vigilance now will position us for even greater success once it is safer to resume normal, full-scale operations. I am truly grateful for the patience and flexibility that both our team and customers have afforded us during this critical time,” added Palmer.
December 11th, 2020 at 1:32:05 PM
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California: Wanaaha Casino open with Covid-19 safety in place
SierraWave.net · December 10, 2020 at 8:07 pm
The WANAAHA Casino located in Bishop California is owned and operated by the Bishop Paiute Tribe under the authority of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act and the State of California through a mutual Compact agreement.
Although the State of California has put a stay-at-home order for the region stopping all non-essential services, the Bishop Paiute Tribe has determined that all Tribal enterprises are essential services. The revenue generated by commercial operations such as the Casino is crucial to Council’s duty to provide services to the community through many community programs. Without the income from the Casino and other operations, many programs and services would go unfunded and could lead to serious issues for our most vulnerable Members.
SierraWave.net · December 10, 2020 at 8:07 pm
The WANAAHA Casino located in Bishop California is owned and operated by the Bishop Paiute Tribe under the authority of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act and the State of California through a mutual Compact agreement.
Although the State of California has put a stay-at-home order for the region stopping all non-essential services, the Bishop Paiute Tribe has determined that all Tribal enterprises are essential services. The revenue generated by commercial operations such as the Casino is crucial to Council’s duty to provide services to the community through many community programs. Without the income from the Casino and other operations, many programs and services would go unfunded and could lead to serious issues for our most vulnerable Members.
December 11th, 2020 at 1:39:52 PM
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Boston Conference in February led to 333K COVID cases, one of the largest documented superspreader events in the USA. One sick person affected 245K people, another sick person affected 88K people.
December 11th, 2020 at 2:08:31 PM
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Canada, US border to stay closed until Jan. 21.
This gets extended monthly and I wouldn't expect it to open again until next Labor Day.
This gets extended monthly and I wouldn't expect it to open again until next Labor Day.
December 11th, 2020 at 2:13:29 PM
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Quote: rxwineWell you have people who can't follow basic recommendations ruining it for everyone. What do you think is leading to increased infection rate?
General life is leading to an increased infection rate. I told everyone from the beginning that you cannot just hide at home. We are now seeing that there is not all that much difference between places that locked down and those that did not.
Mankind cannot just stop a virus. Fatality wise this one is a piker compared to Spanish flu. Compared to the Black Death we are having a day at the beach.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
December 11th, 2020 at 4:14:17 PM
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Taiwan still at only 7 deaths
The virus can be defeated
The virus can be defeated
When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forums
December 11th, 2020 at 4:15:40 PM
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Gov. Cuomo bans indoor dining in NYC
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced on Friday that he is banning indoor dining in New York City starting Monday, as hospitalization and infection rates continue to rise. Cuomo said that indoor dining was "too high of a risk" as the city faces an uptick in COVID-19 cases.
He did not say when the indoor dining would resume, but takeout, delivery, and outdoor dining will remain open.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced on Friday that he is banning indoor dining in New York City starting Monday, as hospitalization and infection rates continue to rise. Cuomo said that indoor dining was "too high of a risk" as the city faces an uptick in COVID-19 cases.
He did not say when the indoor dining would resume, but takeout, delivery, and outdoor dining will remain open.
December 11th, 2020 at 5:19:54 PM
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Quote: terapinedTaiwan still at only 7 deaths
The virus can be defeated
C'mon, terapined, we have Americans admitting they were not up to the challenge. They're saying we were never good enough to start with.
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December 11th, 2020 at 5:49:41 PM
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The United States of COVID-19. I heard there's a secession underway.
December 12th, 2020 at 3:50:57 PM
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I feel like a Chump saying this but....San Joaquin Valley reporting ICU capacity reached 0 percent, SoCal at 5% according to health officials. Next month or two is going to be a bloodbath, even if vaccine distributed to most vulnerable populations in a month deaths lag and first dose of vaccine only 50% efficacy.
December 16th, 2020 at 2:42:56 AM
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no more space to put the fallen - CA hospital brings in a refrigerated truck to store the dead
https://abc7.com/socal-covid-coronavirus-southern-california-icu-capacity/8801792/
https://abc7.com/socal-covid-coronavirus-southern-california-icu-capacity/8801792/
the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
December 16th, 2020 at 6:03:19 AM
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American Medical Association Rescinds Previous Statement Against Prescription of Hydroxychloroquine to COVID-19 Patients
I TOLD YOU SO!
How many people died because of the refusal of people to accept what we were seeing in the field we will never know.
Quote: AMAHowever, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
I TOLD YOU SO!
How many people died because of the refusal of people to accept what we were seeing in the field we will never know.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
December 16th, 2020 at 6:45:32 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: AMAHowever, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
I TOLD YOU SO!
How many people died because of the refusal of people to accept what we were seeing in the field we will never know.
We know.
The AMA is not the FDA. The FDA still has the drug as not useful for Covid-19.
The AMA is basically saying nothing is working so let's go back to Hydroxychloriquine.
If it had actually worked in the field before we would not be here now. The AMA wasn't letting thousands die to stop Trump.
Not wearing masks and not socially distancing is the reason we are where we are
BTW -. OCTOBER 30TH WAS ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO (NOT TO MENTION BEFORE THE ELECTION)!HOW IS HYDROXYCHLORIQUINE HELPING OUT? NUMBERS GOING DOWN???
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 16th, 2020 at 7:52:07 AM
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Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: AMAHowever, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
I TOLD YOU SO!
How many people died because of the refusal of people to accept what we were seeing in the field we will never know.
We know.
The AMA is not the FDA. The FDA still has the drug as not useful for Covid-19.
The AMA is basically saying nothing is working so let's go back to Hydroxychloriquine.
If it had actually worked in the field before we would not be here now. The AMA wasn't letting thousands die to stop Trump.
Not wearing masks and not socially distancing is the reason we are where we are
BTW -. OCTOBER 30TH WAS ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO (NOT TO MENTION BEFORE THE ELECTION)!HOW IS HYDROXYCHLORIQUINE HELPING OUT? NUMBERS GOING DOWN???
The point is it works but so many people wanted to deny it.
We have masks and social distancing and yet the numbers are not going down. How do you explain this?
I swear I have never seen so many people thinking one little thing like masks is going to save the world. Very strange and concerning.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
December 16th, 2020 at 8:03:25 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: AMAHowever, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
I TOLD YOU SO!
How many people died because of the refusal of people to accept what we were seeing in the field we will never know.
We know.
The AMA is not the FDA. The FDA still has the drug as not useful for Covid-19.
The AMA is basically saying nothing is working so let's go back to Hydroxychloriquine.
If it had actually worked in the field before we would not be here now. The AMA wasn't letting thousands die to stop Trump.
Not wearing masks and not socially distancing is the reason we are where we are
BTW -. OCTOBER 30TH WAS ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO (NOT TO MENTION BEFORE THE ELECTION)!HOW IS HYDROXYCHLORIQUINE HELPING OUT? NUMBERS GOING DOWN???
The point is it works but so many people wanted to deny it.
We have masks and social distancing and yet the numbers are not going down. How do you explain this?
I swear I have never seen so many people thinking one little thing like masks is going to save the world. Very strange and concerning.
People like you not wearing them.
Like most collective battles, it's only as strong as the weakest link.
People refusing to wear masks, then decrying see they didn't work is the height of hypocrisy
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
December 16th, 2020 at 8:43:11 AM
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Quote: darkoz
People like you not wearing them.
Like most collective battles, it's only as strong as the weakest link.
People refusing to wear masks, then decrying see they didn't work is the height of hypocrisy
I said they don't work from the beginning. You put all your hopes and faith in them. As did many people. "If you all would wear masks all will be well!"
It hasn't happened. Blaming a few who do not buy into them does not wash. We have all kinds of mask mandates and yet the rate still goes up!
The dirty truth being that it really is what it is. Mankind can only do just so much.
Instead of doing that we have states doing all they can to cause a depression so will be sick AND broke.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
December 16th, 2020 at 8:45:44 AM
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Quote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: AMAHowever, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
I TOLD YOU SO!
How many people died because of the refusal of people to accept what we were seeing in the field we will never know.
We know.
The AMA is not the FDA. The FDA still has the drug as not useful for Covid-19.
The AMA is basically saying nothing is working so let's go back to Hydroxychloriquine.
If it had actually worked in the field before we would not be here now. The AMA wasn't letting thousands die to stop Trump.
Not wearing masks and not socially distancing is the reason we are where we are
BTW -. OCTOBER 30TH WAS ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO (NOT TO MENTION BEFORE THE ELECTION)!HOW IS HYDROXYCHLORIQUINE HELPING OUT? NUMBERS GOING DOWN???
Quite a post filled with so many errors! Where to start!
The FDA 'still has the drug as not useful' is an inedible word salad! There are THOUSANDS of drugs that are used off label, successfully. We used to joke that for every patient we took care of if we only used 'on label' indications we couldn't take care of patients. Even the 'approved ' vaccines are not 'on label' yet, as their use is only an 'emergency' use.
The AMA would never say "nothing is working so let's go back to hydroxychloroquine" unless there was a REASON to do so! You think thousands of doctors got together and said.... hmmmm..... hydroxychloroquine doesn't work, but let's say it does! There is, and always has been, enough anecdotes to SUGGEST it is helpful, but not enough to PROVE it is helpful. The AMA is NOT saying it is a cure, but rather, a help, one that is better than doing nothing.
"Not wearing masks and not socially distancing is the reason we are where we are"
Really? I live in western NY. We have been wearing masks and socially distancing for 6 months. Somehow the second wave is here and things are far worse than the first wave when no one was socially distancing or wearing masks.
I'd try this..... Things may be worse than they would have been because we do not all wear masks and socially distance.
(I am not an AMA member for a variety of reasons that would require its own thread)
December 16th, 2020 at 9:15:06 AM
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Can it be possible and likely that masks are Hcq are actually somewhat similar in that they can be somewhat effective but not entirely effective.
Anecdotally when my younger brother had Covid 6 of the 10 or 11 people he was watching a football game with got it not wearing masks in a private home while he gave it to exactly 0 or his office coworkers where they’re required to wear masks. Also some other mitigation effects at his office like some additional plastic between desks/cubicles. Unknown how long he could have been carrying at work, woke up with a fever was like 104 that day got tested and by next day he was fine, 30 year old in good physical condition.
Anecdotally when my younger brother had Covid 6 of the 10 or 11 people he was watching a football game with got it not wearing masks in a private home while he gave it to exactly 0 or his office coworkers where they’re required to wear masks. Also some other mitigation effects at his office like some additional plastic between desks/cubicles. Unknown how long he could have been carrying at work, woke up with a fever was like 104 that day got tested and by next day he was fine, 30 year old in good physical condition.
December 16th, 2020 at 9:35:28 AM
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: darkozQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: AMAHowever, on page 18 of a recent AMA memo, issued on October 30, (resolution 509, page 3) the organization officially reversed their stance on HCQ, stating that its potential for good currently may supersede the threat of any potential harmful side effects.
I TOLD YOU SO!
How many people died because of the refusal of people to accept what we were seeing in the field we will never know.
We know.
The AMA is not the FDA. The FDA still has the drug as not useful for Covid-19.
The AMA is basically saying nothing is working so let's go back to Hydroxychloriquine.
If it had actually worked in the field before we would not be here now. The AMA wasn't letting thousands die to stop Trump.
Not wearing masks and not socially distancing is the reason we are where we are
BTW -. OCTOBER 30TH WAS ALMOST TWO MONTHS AGO (NOT TO MENTION BEFORE THE ELECTION)!HOW IS HYDROXYCHLORIQUINE HELPING OUT? NUMBERS GOING DOWN???
Quite a post filled with so many errors! Where to start!
The FDA 'still has the drug as not useful' is an inedible word salad! There are THOUSANDS of drugs that are used off label, successfully. We used to joke that for every patient we took care of if we only used 'on label' indications we couldn't take care of patients. Even the 'approved ' vaccines are not 'on label' yet, as their use is only an 'emergency' use.
The AMA would never say "nothing is working so let's go back to hydroxychloroquine" unless there was a REASON to do so! You think thousands of doctors got together and said.... hmmmm..... hydroxychloroquine doesn't work, but let's say it does! There is, and always has been, enough anecdotes to SUGGEST it is helpful, but not enough to PROVE it is helpful. The AMA is NOT saying it is a cure, but rather, a help, one that is better than doing nothing.
"Not wearing masks and not socially distancing is the reason we are where we are"
Really? I live in western NY. We have been wearing masks and socially distancing for 6 months. Somehow the second wave is here and things are far worse than the first wave when no one was socially distancing or wearing masks.
I'd try this..... Things may be worse than they would have been because we do not all wear masks and socially distance.
(I am not an AMA member for a variety of reasons that would require its own thread)
Two months since the AMA reversed course and deaths continue to skyrocket!
When someone tells me "it's better than nothing" that's not a ringing endorsement.
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December 16th, 2020 at 10:13:47 AM
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Quote: darkoz
When someone tells me "it's better than nothing" that's not a ringing endorsement.
But, see, that is how life works. Life is not where you have all your needs so fulfilled that you only take 100% proven things.
Street level doctor looked at the covid symptoms and figured hydroxychloroquine treats them as well as a similar mode of action so they prescribed it. And they god good if not perfect results. This is a good thing as we cannot just hide from the world until the virus dies out.
Alas, in 21st century USA people think they can live with zero risk and money is free to print so we can hide from the danger until it is gone.
Sorry, it does not work that way. And the shunning of hydroxychloroquine doubtless killed people, probably in the tens of thousands. All because elitists just could not stand it being an old drug and not promoted by the "right" people.
And the same people want to lecture us and say if we all wore masks it would be over by now.
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December 16th, 2020 at 10:20:16 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanBut, see, that is how life works. Life is not where you have all your needs so fulfilled that you only take 100% proven things.
Street level doctor looked at the covid symptoms and figured hydroxychloroquine treats them as well as a similar mode of action so they prescribed it. And they god good if not perfect results. This is a good thing as we cannot just hide from the world until the virus dies out.
Alas, in 21st century USA people think they can live with zero risk and money is free to print so we can hide from the danger until it is gone.
Sorry, it does not work that way. And the shunning of hydroxychloroquine doubtless killed people, probably in the tens of thousands. All because elitists just could not stand it being an old drug and not promoted by the "right" people.
And the same people want to lecture us and say if we all wore masks it would be over by now.
And yet Hydroxychloriquine isn't bringing the death rate down.
If it works like you claim hospitals would be using it as we speak and death rates would be going down, not up.
Nearly two months since the AMA reversal.
Point to where Hydroxychloriquine has effected a reversal in course of this virus
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December 16th, 2020 at 10:33:35 AM
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Quote: darkozAnd yet Hydroxychloriquine isn't bringing the death rate down.
If it works like you claim hospitals would be using it as we speak and death rates would be going down, not up.
Nearly two months since the AMA reversal.
Point to where Hydroxychloriquine has effected a reversal in course of this virus
Nobody said it was a magic bullet. What I do not get is why you are so angry about it showing good results and helping people?
Sort of like telling a starving person they cannot go eat at McDonald's because the food "is not good for them?"
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December 16th, 2020 at 11:02:43 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanNobody said it was a magic bullet. What I do not get is why you are so angry about it showing good results and helping people?
Sort of like telling a starving person they cannot go eat at McDonald's because the food "is not good for them?"
I haven't seen any good results.
3,000 dying per day is not my definition of good results
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December 16th, 2020 at 11:36:14 AM
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Quote: darkozI haven't seen any good results.
3,000 dying per day is not my definition of good results
Yet you still defend masks even with this number!
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December 16th, 2020 at 11:47:05 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanYet you still defend masks even with this number!
If everyone had worn them we wouldn't be at this high number.
States that had mandates still didn't have full compliance.
Even in NY there were mask violations sometimes on a massive scale.
It's like arguing condoms don't work because many people don't use them.
Well, obviously if it's not used it doesn't work
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December 16th, 2020 at 11:57:29 AM
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Quote: darkozIf everyone had worn them we wouldn't be at this high number.
Zero proof of this. Impossible to prove.
Quote:States that had mandates still didn't have full compliance.
Even in NY there were mask violations sometimes on a massive scale.
It's like arguing condoms don't work because many people don't use them.
Well, obviously if it's not used it doesn't work
What I do not get is why you think a small piece of cloth or paper is going to be the savior here.
The numbers seem to prove what I said all along. The mask mandates are to give the appearance that "something is being done" because too many people cannot handle that it is what it is and we have to just work our way to herd immunity.
That is a hard fact of life, but it is a fact you need to get used to.
The next thing I expect is the vaccine will be "partially useful at best" when we see cases not disappear by spring.
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