Coronavirus math
Quote: DeMangoDarkOz: You do realize we have been given parameters of what constitutes high risk behavior? Shun those and masks are mostly not needed but kept at the ready. Common sense needed here, not an act of political correctness.
Certainly hosting parties with large gatherings without masks isn't one of them.
AZ says he insisted on hosting a party just recently as long as it was maskless.
He is doing everything he can to shun common sense covid behavior
Quote: darkozCertainly hosting parties with large gatherings without masks isn't one of them.
AZ says he insisted on hosting a party just recently as long as it was maskless.
He is doing everything he can to shun common sense covid behavior
I did not host it, I worked it. Somehow none of us died!
NOBODY wore masks. Maybe 1 person but I doubt it.
Got another one around New Years. Should go the same way, no masks.
Quote: AZDuffmanI did not host it, I worked it. Somehow none of us died!
NOBODY wore masks. Maybe 1 person but I doubt it.
Got another one around New Years. Should go the same way, no masks.
The fact no one died (and somehow I doubt you really did any contact tracing to actually know) is immaterial.
It's like walking down the center of a busy highway, all the cars swerve to avoid hitting you and you declare no one died so it's safe.
It's still irresponsible behavior
Quote: darkozThe fact no one died (and somehow I doubt you really did any contact tracing to actually know) is immaterial.
It's like walking down the center of a busy highway, all the cars swerve to avoid hitting you and you declare no one died so it's safe.
It's still irresponsible behavior
Yeah, except no. Going to a gathering does not at all compare. A party with about 50 not sick people? We called that "normal" 270 days ago.
Quote: AZDuffmanYeah, except no. Going to a gathering does not at all compare. A party with about 50 not sick people? We called that "normal" 270 days ago.
Uh, yeah 270 days ago.
By your logic it's okay to have a house party in the middle of a raging fire because a few days earlier everything was fine
Quote: darkozUh, yeah 270 days ago.
By your logic it's okay to have a house party in the middle of a raging fire because a few days earlier everything was fine
The point is notice how fast you let yourself go from living a normal life to hiding at home.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe point is notice how fast you let yourself go from living a normal life to hiding at home.
Right now several casinos are closing down again, many of their own free will.
Life is not normal.
Ignoring the pandemic doesn't make life normal.
Quote: darkozThe fact no one died (and somehow I doubt you really did any contact tracing to actually know) is immaterial.
It's like walking down the center of a busy highway, all the cars swerve to avoid hitting you and you declare no one died so it's safe.
It's still irresponsible behavior
You mean like walking out in front of an intersection and holding your hand up to to traffic?
Quote: darkoz
It's like walking down the center of a busy highway, all the cars swerve to avoid hitting you and you declare no one died so it's safe.
Some of us don't care about safety if it compromises our life enjoyment. I believe life is meaningless and I don't care if everybody dies.
Quote: mcallister3200You mean like walking out in front of an intersection and holding your hand up to to traffic?
Precisely
While it's done, especially in NYC, it's never been considered safe to do
Quote: darkozPrecisely
While it's done, especially in NYC, it's never been considered safe to do
When you say something is not considered safe, who is it not considered safe by? The masses? Remember, the majority of people are morons and those that don't agree with that are included.
If this does not convince any guys here that Covid is brutal.
10 to 20% of Male covid patients experience testicular pain.
WTF. Sometimes the virus resides down there.
I don't know about anybody else here but I value my junk.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-invades-mens-reproductive-organs-can-affect-their-fertility/
They have now recruited inmates to deal with the morgue.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2020/11/15/coronavirus-texas-el-paso-inmates-morgue-deaths/amp/
Quote: terapinedOk
If this does not convince any guys here that Covid is brutal.
10 to 20% of Male covid patients experience testicular pain.
WTF. Sometimes the virus resides down there.
I don't know about anybody else here but I value my junk.
So does slot machine EMF, but I wear a magnetic bracelet for that.
Hopefully if we can get past these next few months we can get the more vulnerable sunsets of our population vaccinated. From what I read I’m likely in the last 5-15% that would have it available to them.
Quote: mcallister3200They need subtitles when that dude talks can only understand about 2/3rds or the words he says in that dialect of English.
Hopefully if we can get past these next few months we can get the more vulnerable sunsets of our population vaccinated. From what I read I’m likely in the last 5-15% that would have it available to them.
That way you can see how effective it is before you get it. i was reading a bit about the logistical nightmare the storage conditions may create. One report said the US would need to increase its capacity to make dry ice some 300%.
The good news is that when all beds are taken, the hospitalisations will stop growing, so someone will be able to boast about that topping out of the curve. Deaths in hospital will also level out as folks are told to die at home instead.Quote: ChumpChangeUniversity of Omaha, Nebraska doctor says hospitalizations are doubling every 3 weeks. So they have 372 patients now, in 3 weeks they'll have 744 patients, and 3 weeks after that they'll have 1488 patients. Nebraska itself only has 20% of ICU beds left. He predicts that hospitalizations for anything but COVID-19 will be shutdown soon.
If less testing produces fewer cases, surely it follows that fewer hospitals will mean fewer people dying in them.
The Common cold is a virus
The scientific community cannot come up with a vaccine for the common cold.
Herpes is a virus
The scientific community cannot come up with a vaccine for Herpes.
AIDS is a virus
The scientific community cannot come up with a vaccine for AIDS.
Covid-19 is a virus
The scientific community (fill in the blank)
Quote: AZDuffmanThe point is notice how fast you let yourself go from living a normal life to hiding at home.
And WHY are (some) people doing that? Answer.... In the expectation that (hopefully soon) there will be a time when it is (much) safer to resume normal life, and to be alive to be able to do so.
For me, it seems like the tipping point will be when I can get one of the vaccines that are 90+% effective. Still will be a risk of course, but with the 90+% vaccine and the added herd immunity, I’ll be happy to resume ‘normal life’ then.
. Duhhhh. That’s easy.... the answer.... “multiple vaccines for COVID-19”. Perhaps not the answer you were angling for, but thankfully, the factual answer.Quote: darkozFood for thought
The Common cold is a virus
The scientific community cannot come up with a vaccine for the common cold.
Herpes is a virus
The scientific community cannot come up with a vaccine for Herpes.
AIDS is a virus
The scientific community cannot come up with a vaccine for AIDS.
Covid-19 is a virus
The scientific community (fill in the blank)
Moderna vaccine at -20C and only lasts 30 days in refrigeration.
I'm gonna go with Moderna.
Quote: ChumpChangePfizer vaccine needs -70C and only lasts 5 days in refrigeration.
Moderna vaccine at -20C and only lasts 30 days in refrigeration.
I'm gonna go with Moderna.
This doesn't make sense. You go to your doctor and s/he tells you that they have the Pfizer vaccine on hand and it's been properly stored, you're going to turn it down because of the difference in storage?
Quote: rsactuaryThis doesn't make sense. You go to your doctor and s/he tells you that they have the Pfizer vaccine on hand and it's been properly stored, you're going to turn it down because of the difference in storage?
You'll be giving out the Pfizer vaccine at the food lines where's there's thousands of cars in line already.
Quote: OnceDearThe good news is that when all beds are taken, the hospitalisations will stop growing, so someone will be able to boast about that topping out of the curve. Deaths in hospital will also level out as folks are told to die at home instead.
Fascinating
South Dakota ER nurse recalls how dying coronavirus patients spend last minutes insisting virus isn't real
I have a night off from the hospital. As I’m on my couch with my dog I can’t help but think of the Covid patients the last few days. The ones that stick out are those who still don’t believe the virus is real. The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is Going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm. They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that “stuff” because they don’t have COViD because it’s not real. Yes. This really happens. And I can’t stop thinking about it. These people really think this isn’t going to happen to them. And then they stop yelling at you when they get intubated. It’s like a fucking horror movie that never ends. There’s no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again.Which is what I will do for the next three nights. But tonight. It’s me and Cliff and Oreo ice cream. And how ironic I have on my “home”
Hoodie. The South Dakota I love seems far away right now.
He seldom makes sense. We all died several months ago with his prognostications!Quote: rsactuaryThis doesn't make sense. You go to your doctor and s/he tells you that they have the Pfizer vaccine on hand and it's been properly stored, you're going to turn it down because of the difference in storage?
Quote: terapinedHer tweet
I have a night off from the hospital. As I’m on my couch with my dog I can’t help but think of the Covid patients the last few days. The ones that stick out are those who still don’t believe the virus is real. The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is Going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm. They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that “stuff” because they don’t have COViD because it’s not real. Yes. This really happens. And I can’t stop thinking about it. These people really think this isn’t going to happen to them. And then they stop yelling at you when they get intubated. It’s like a fucking horror movie that never ends. There’s no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again.Which is what I will do for the next three nights. But tonight. It’s me and Cliff and Oreo ice cream. And how ironic I have on my “home”
Hoodie. The South Dakota I love seems far away right now.
Would be nice if she could refrain from having open contempt and disdain for the people she’s caring for during this.
Quote: SOOPOOAnd WHY are (some) people doing that? Answer.... In the expectation that (hopefully soon) there will be a time when it is (much) safer to resume normal life, and to be alive to be able to do so.
I am not so interested in the "why" more in the "that."
It will be a good lesson for the people who say, "it can't happen here!" because they think the USA is immune to being locked down.
Quote: SOOPOO. Duhhhh. That’s easy.... the answer.... “multiple vaccines for COVID-19”. Perhaps not the answer you were angling for, but thankfully, the factual answer.
Will the government support multiple vaccines or will it pick one? With different vaccines having different storage conditions and shelf lives, it will just add to the logistical nightmare of trying to get hundreds of millions of doses distributed. One of the vaccines requires two doses given three weeks apart. How will people feel about their neighbor getting the second dose while their family is still waiting for the first? Meanwhile, the administration that will actually be doing the distribution is left in the dark about what plans the current one has.
Quote: rsactuaryThis doesn't make sense. You go to your doctor and s/he tells you that they have the Pfizer vaccine on hand and it's been properly stored, you're going to turn it down because of the difference in storage?
I don't think he was referring to his personal choice while in the hospital.
I think he was referring to which vaccine has a better chance of successful distribution.
-70c is not possible with normal refrigeration. Those hospitals that don't have special refrigeration will need to purchase them and they are five digits cost each from what I understand.
That's not even taking into account the transportation requirements at -70c.
So Moderns has an edge if their vaccine only requires -20c
Quote: mcallister3200Would be nice if she could refrain from having open contempt and disdain for the people she’s caring for during this.
Just the patients that are nasty too her. When I was in the hospital, I always treated nurses with respect. It's a hard and very very dangerous job.
Quote: AZDuffmanThe point is notice how fast you let yourself go from living a normal life to hiding at home.
Are people really "hiding at home" where you live? Is "hiding" a troll aimed at those who do their best to follow guidance from local authorities? Both? Neither?
I'm 73, and I expect to die if I catch C-virus. C-virus is beyond my control. When I have chores in town, I go and do them. I wear my mask when in town because it helps keep everyone safer. I try to stay home unless I have a reason to be somewhere else. I'm not "hiding" when I do my best to help us all get through the worst international pandemic in 100 years.
I understand you are more willing to expose yourself to C-virus, and you may be correct that others such as myself overestimate the dangers. However, you repeatedly refer to the stay-at-home folks as "hiding." Folks who follow pandemic guidelines are not "hiding," unless that's what you see where you live. If folks where you live truly are "hiding," it would be nice if you added clarification such as, "...around here..." That way it won't sound so offensive to those who choose a less devil-may-care approach to the virus. Please stop referring to folks who follow pandemic guidelines as "hiding."
Quote: billryanPretty much the only difference in m life is I have not set foot in a bar in many months. I miss not being able to go to one and maybe see a band but if that is the worse thing that happens during a pandemic, I can accept that. I've shifted my business to the internet and it is thriving to the point where I may never re-open the shop. Rather than waiting for someone to come into my shop and try to haggle with me over an item, I have people bidding them up well past my original price. I just mailed out two jerseys today. Both were priced at $149 in my store. One went for $300 and the other for $255. It's nice being able to do my work whenever I want instead of being tied down to certain hours.
After 30 years at the same hair salon, my hair stylist had to take customers at her home during the shutdown. When her salon reopened in August she worked for one week before realizing she made more money and better hours continuing to work at home.
The hair salon is empty now probably going out of business. But the stylist is doing quite well
This pandemic will probably result in a big shakeup for business. And depending on your viewpoint on a positive or negative manner
Quote: LuckyPhowAre people really "hiding at home" where you live? Is "hiding" a troll aimed at those who do their best to follow guidance from local authorities? Both? Neither?
I'm 73, and I expect to die if I catch C-virus. C-virus is beyond my control. When I have chores in town, I go and do them. I wear my mask when in town because it helps keep everyone safer. I try to stay home unless I have a reason to be somewhere else. I'm not "hiding" when I do my best to help us all get through the worst international pandemic in 100 years.
I understand you are more willing to expose yourself to C-virus, and you may be correct that others such as myself overestimate the dangers. However, you repeatedly refer to the stay-at-home folks as "hiding." Folks who follow pandemic guidelines are not "hiding," unless that's what you see where you live. If folks where you live truly are "hiding," it would be nice if you added clarification such as, "...around here..." That way it won't sound so offensive to those who choose a less devil-may-care approach to the virus. Please stop referring to folks who follow pandemic guidelines as "hiding."
I call it "hiding" because that is what half of this board is doing and wanting. We have people on here who say they might be afraid to touch casino cheques.......FOREVER! The same ones want plexiglass at the tables. Now they are begging for more lockdowns!
I have said before that I do not add disclaimers when having a general discussion. I expect everyone on a board like this to understand what someone means when a person makes a general statement.
I had someone on this board wish death on me and management does not care. So I do not care if someone takes "hiding" personally.
Quote: darkoz
-70c is not possible with normal refrigeration. Those hospitals that don't have special refrigeration will need to purchase them and they are five digits cost each from what I understand.
It's going to be tested at lower temperatures to see if it still viable. It is something that has gone on with testing other common vaccines that we now use at lower temps.
If I had to guess it's something like food storage. If you freeze you can store it longer. But at lower temps it goes bad quicker.
I hope it works. The devil is in the details. If the lockdown exempts construction workers, home repair contractors, liquor stores, real estate agents, marijuana dispensaries and Pelosi's hair salon -as it did the first time - then it won't work. AND IF ITS NOT ENFORCED THEN IT WON'T WORK.
Of course, there goes the Super bowl, and NCAA basketball and ESPN and restaurant chains and gambling corporations, and . . .
Quote: gordonm888"biden covid advisor says U.S, lockdown of 4-6 weeks is needed."
I hope it works. The devil is in the details. If the lockdown exempts construction workers, home repair contractors, liquor stores, real estate agents, marijuana dispensaries and Pelosi's hair salon -as it did the first time - then it won't work. AND IF ITS NOT ENFORCED THEN IT WON'T WORK.
Of course, there goes the Super bowl, and NCAA basketball and ESPN and restaurant chains and gambling corporations, and . . .
Something tells me if there continue to be over 150,000 new cases per day (and climbing) between now and the Superbowl, you won't be getting 80,000 spectators inside a stadium anyway
Quote: darkozSomething tells me if there continue to be over 150,000 new cases per day (and climbing) between now and the Superbowl, you won't be getting 80,000 spectators inside a stadium anyway
Sad but true. I would go if offered a free seat even if there was a 100% chance of getting Covid.
Quote: darkozSomething tells me if there continue to be over 150,000 new cases per day (and climbing) between now and the Superbowl, you won't be getting 80,000 spectators inside a stadium anyway
They were never going to be full capacity anyways, no one is now. Would be nice to watch the game on tv and have the regular season not have been completely pointless though.
Quote: billryanSeveral months ago, the Florida Governor was telling anyone who would listen that he expected a normal SB week with all the festivities that go along with it. Has he changed his stance?
Yikes, I didn’t even know where it was located, the thought just seemed preposterous and the type of exaggerated inflammatory response I’ve come to expect from some members, I assumed it wasn’t the plan given that no one is doing full attendance currently. Warriors of the nba have petitioned to have 50% attendance with rapid testing everyone, doesn’t seem likely.
Quote: mcallister3200Yikes, I didn’t even know where it was located, the thought just seemed preposterous and the type of exaggerated inflammatory response I’ve come to expect from some members, I assumed it wasn’t the plan given that no one is doing full attendance currently. Warriors of the nba have petitioned to have 50% attendance with rapid testing everyone, doesn’t seem likely.
Desantis said full stadium expected just a month and a half ago.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/sports/desantis-super-bowl-tampa-2021-coronavirus-unknowns.amp
